Is ObamaCare’s problem the brand instead of the plan?

posted at 10:12 am on September 2, 2009 by

The Democrats’ attempted takeover of the US healthcare system continues a long, hard slog. The House leadership will try to recover from a brutal August recess with reassurances to moderates that the so-called “public option” is something way down the road, “something that would go into effect in 2013, only after benchmarks and pilot programs are studied.” On the other side of the Hill, Sen. Grassley claims that a bipartisan panel of key Senators have concluded that the “public option” has to go. That hasn’t stopped liberals from salivating over the notion that reconciliation would force Democrats to pursue the most heavy-handed version of the public option, despite Pres. Obama’s desire that reconciliation be a last resort.

Next week, Pres. Obama plans to list specific goals that any health insurance reform plan that arrives at his desk must achieve. He is also suggesting he is willing to stare down the progressive caucus if jettioning the government-run insurance plan will get him a bill. But Pres. Obama has talked about his preferences on “pay for” mechanisms and his ambivalence about the “public option” before, so this too may be more an attempt to calm Congress than real news.

Greg Sargent probably hopes that Pres. Obama’s latest attempt at selling healthcare reform will clear up the confusion people told CBS News they have on the issue. But Sargent has a larger, more interesting point:

This could be ominous not just for the prospects of good health care reform but also for Obama’s broader agenda: The new CBS News poll’s internals show confidence dropping fast in the idea that government can be an effective provider of health care coverage.

That’s problematic. It raises the question of whether the broader, renewed faith the public had in government when Obama took over is receding, perhaps dramatically.

Asked whether “government” or “private insurers” could do a better job of providing health care coverage, only 36% chose government — down a surprising 14 points from June.

Meanwhile, nearly half, or 47%, said government would do a worse job — up 13 points from June. Both of those are pretty big swings.

Allahpundit also touches on this point:

The fascinating, and potentially important, detail: When asked about specific provisions of ObamaCare — i.e. the public option, statutory ceilings on premiums, guaranteeing insurance irrespective of preexisting conditions, etc. — people are widely supportive. I don’t know how to explain that except to think that (a) public ignorance about the plan really is as bad as CBS claims, which doesn’t say much for The One’s vaunted communications skills, or (b) the country’s now reached such an anti-government fervor that they’re fatally suspicious of even those programs whose particulars they agree with in principle.

The poll numbers on the specifics can be misleading. For example, we know that support for the public option craters if you ask people to pay as little as $500 annually for it. And the polling on other health insurance reforms does not ask people about the individual mandate necessary to support them.

However, taking the poll numbers at face value, Sargent and Allahpundit raise an intriguing notion. The vast majority of the public — like the vast majority of Congress — have not read the bills pending on the Hill. Their opinions will necessarily be based on general impressions. Liberals no doubt think the public is confused or misled, even though the Democrats have unleashed a torrent of misinformation about their plans.

But the Democrats’ problem may be much deeper than that. The public has had just over seven months to judge the Obama administration and the Democrat-led Congress, and has been reminded of what the Democrats are about. They see the fantastically expensive stimulus package failed to stimulate the economy to date, and they are reminded of who the Democrats are. They hear Democrats gush with praise over the legislative record of the late Sen. Kennedy, and are reminded of who the Democrats are. They hear Pres. Obama try to reassure people by comparing the public option to the Post Office, and are reminded of who the Democrats are.

They are reminded of how government programs grow or die — and virtually never die. Bloggers like Rick Moran may think slippery slope arguments are unconvincing, but it is most people’s experience of government. Thus, they are inclined to believe that costs will not be controlled, that various provisions of the bills could well be Trojan Horses for worse things to come, and so on.

In short, the Democrats’ real problem may be their reputation as the party of big government. The GOP did not do well during the Bush administration, but the Democrats have made them look like pikers in short order. As Sargent’s fears, that problem would extend beyond ObamaCare — and be near-insoluble to boot.

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As Sargent’s fears, that problem would extend beyond ObamaCare — and be near-insoluble to boot.

Let’s hope so.

When Greg Sargent whines in fear that Democrats might not be all he wants them to be, America wins.

Good Lt on September 2, 2009 at 12:19 PM

The “Obama” brand has been damaged.

He needs a crisis management team.

faraway on September 2, 2009 at 12:19 PM

The reason why the polls show specific aspects of healthcare reform being popular is because those are the benefits of a plan.

OF COURSE people like the benefits.

Health care reform turns into epic fail when you talk about the COSTS and the ADMINISTRATION of such plans.

Kenrod on September 2, 2009 at 12:22 PM

reassurances to moderates that the so-called “public option” is something way down the road, “something that would go into effect in 2013, only after benchmarks and pilot programs are studied.”

But this thing was always going to start in 2013. Ladies and gentlemen, this is how libs “compromise”.

“It will start in 2013. Oh, wait, you don’t like it… ok, we’re backing off. Now it’ll start in 2013.”

LibTired on September 2, 2009 at 12:25 PM

The “Obama” brand has been damaged.

He needs a crisis management team.

faraway on September 2, 2009 at 12:19 PM

Image Czar

LibTired on September 2, 2009 at 12:25 PM

In short, the Democrats’ real problem may be their reputation as the party of big government. The GOP did not do well during the Bush administration, but the Democrats have made them look like pikers in short order. As Sargent’s fears, that problem would extend beyond ObamaCare — and be near-insoluble to boot.

I tend to agree. If you look at the approval numbers for congress or the majority that would flush congress if given the opportunity, it’s clear that the specifics of the bill do not mater all all it’s who is writing and will implement the bill that matters.

But let’s be honest, why are we against a public plan? We know it will be subsidized, bankrupt, and inevitably force out private insurance. We know that priority of care will be decided by bureaucrats and lobbyists building QALY tables for political reasons and not to provide the best and most efficient care to gain advantage.

It’s not that we don’t want everyone to have healthcare and a pony, it’s that we know whatever solution to our problem the government comes up with will do more harm than good.

This is a conservative country, we do not trust the government to run anything and we shouldn’t. This country was founded on the notion, that man best governs himself.

The MSM handing an election to a dingbat isn’t enough to undo the moral fabric of our nation.

jhffmn on September 2, 2009 at 12:26 PM

Mary Jo needed more than Health Care Reform and ObamaCare will need more than the Liberal Liar Lion or that long-legged Mack-Daddy.
The Sleeping Giant has been awakened.
Americans are a very forgiving people, mess up and we give you lots of chances to make it right.
Screw US and we will be you worst nightmare.
BO is just beginnging to find out what life is lid without the cover of affirmative action.
God Bless America.

SayNo2-O on September 2, 2009 at 12:31 PM

There was this cocky used car salesman in the movie ‘True Lies’.

It isn’t the brand of the car that can’t make the sale.

percysunshine on September 2, 2009 at 12:35 PM

Certainly some of the packaging has something to do with it. When evidence of trojan horse strategies is abundant, and recent history is littered with gross lies, easily debunked, then the public is rightfully able to judge the 1018-page book by its cover.

If politicos would reacquaint themselves with the truth, and truth telling, they might find a less irritable public awaits them.

They seem to have forgotten that we have new tools to fact-check. That is, until the new Internet-emergency legislation beats them down into ploughshares.

shaken on September 2, 2009 at 12:35 PM

Just look at what Obama’s priorities are:

$2 Billion to finance Brazil’s offshore oil development.

Proposing cutting $1.4 billion in Medicare payments to heart and cancer specialists.

Rationing care: It’s already starting.

BDU-33 on September 2, 2009 at 12:44 PM

“Oh I wish I were an ObamaCare Wiener….”

“ObamaCare. Its good, and good for you.”

“It’s not nice to fool with ObamaCare”

“I can’t believe we passed the whole thing”

“Come to ObamaCare country…”

“You’re in good hands with ObamaCare”

“And like a good neighbor, Obama’ll be there”

“ObamaCare. Don’t leave home without it”

BobMbx on September 2, 2009 at 12:44 PM

no, its the plan.

la.rt.wngr on September 2, 2009 at 12:51 PM

No, it’s the plan. Trust me.

darwin-t on September 2, 2009 at 12:51 PM

The “Obama” brand has been damaged.

He needs a crisis management team.

faraway on September 2, 2009 at 12:19 PM
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Where’s Teddy Kennedy when Obama needs him?

(or does it work better as)

“Teddy Kennedy, please pick up the red courtesy phone…”

Mew

acat on September 2, 2009 at 1:14 PM

The Democrats think they just need a new name for it and maybe Michelle out there flogging the idea.
Or maybe get some Hollywood celebrities endorsing the new improved ObamaCare.

albill on September 2, 2009 at 1:31 PM

It’s both: People distrust the factions pushing the plan and the plan itself. The more you look at the plan, the more poison pills you find. Looking at government-run single-payer systems all over the world, or just the VA & Indian Health Services, is enough to make one reject this plan. People reject rigid rationing, the bureaucracy, the sub-standard care, the long delays, and the lack of choices. Its especially frightening that appointees of the president have spoken so volubly of severely restricting health care for the elderly and the disabled.

theCork on September 2, 2009 at 1:39 PM

The “Obama” brand is damaged? Maybe it’s time to put him in the bin with the dented cans and other “past expiration date” crap. His “shelf life” was pretty damn short. I think we got screwed, because there are no refunds. All sales final.

tpitman on September 2, 2009 at 1:43 PM

A Marxist can fool some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time, but a Marxist cannot fool all of the people all of the time.

izoneguy on September 2, 2009 at 1:50 PM

The amazing part of this whole thing is that it has stimulated an interest in the legislative process in this country. Anyone remember anything like this going on when the dot com boom was in full swing? I don’t. People just sat back, counted their money, and paid no attention to what was going on in the government. Now however, thanks mostly to President Obama and the Democrat leaders in the House and Senate, Americans are wide awake, staring at the process, and they don’t like what they see. In the long run, this can only be good for our country. People are talking about the bills, the problems, the process, etc. The bad part of this whole thing is, once you start looking for things, they’re everywhere! Billions for drilling in foreign countries, cap and trade, diversity in the FCC, political speeches to school children, thugs in the polling places, terrorists being appeased, and on and on. It’s like finding a dead roach in the kitchen, turning on the light, and OH MY GOD the roaches are everywhere!!!

gordo on September 2, 2009 at 1:53 PM

Both the Brand and this Plan of this hoax health care (insurance? what’s the real score?) bill called “Obamacare” or ObamaDeathCare (whatevah!) are pure evil!

Nuff said.

TheAlamos on September 2, 2009 at 2:01 PM

People think in terms of free health care. But that is not the plan, is it? When are they going to start discussing what the monthly premiums would be for a public option? That would immediately stop any public support for it. I am on Medicare with a supplemental coverage from my prior employer’s insurance. Since it is required that Medicare is primary, then all costs incurred are drastically reduced. I feel like a welfare recipient when I see my doctor because I know her payment will not allow for much if anything over her overhead costs. Yet even with these controlled costs, Medicare is going broke quickly. I pay $95 per month for only the Part B. What is the latest analysis? That the $95 is only paying 25% of the cost of Part B. And that says nothing of what the Hospital portion is costing the tax payers. If most insurance companies are driven out of business, the costs will become greater for Medicare or severe rationing begins. That is because private pay makes up for the difference in what Medicare pays and what doctors and hospitals need to survive.

Oleta on September 2, 2009 at 2:14 PM

the question of whether the broader, renewed faith the public had in government when Obama took over is receding

I dispute whether the voters voted for big government when they voted for Obama. I believe they voted for the young dynamic guy over the old military guy. Simple as that. When Obama gets back to firing empty rhetoric about hope and change again he will regain his traction. Obama the empty rules the middle and wins elections, Obama the lefty is a one termer.

Angry Dumbo on September 2, 2009 at 3:20 PM