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	<title>Comments on: The Public Option &#8211; Individual Mandate Two-step</title>
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		<title>By: Hot Air &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Good news: Time for another celebrity ObamaCare ad</title>
		<link>http://hotair.com/greenroom/archives/2009/08/17/the-public-option-individual-mandate-two-step/comment-page-1/#comment-36774</link>
		<dc:creator>Hot Air &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Good news: Time for another celebrity ObamaCare ad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 21:35:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] burbling about single-payer would like. Too simple? No problem: Have Public Option&#8217;s coach, Individual Mandate, leap in from the sidelines and wield the tire iron instead. Too wonky for SNL, admittedly, but [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] burbling about single-payer would like. Too simple? No problem: Have Public Option&#8217;s coach, Individual Mandate, leap in from the sidelines and wield the tire iron instead. Too wonky for SNL, admittedly, but [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Hot Air &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Good news: Time for another celebrity ObamaCare ad</title>
		<link>http://hotair.com/greenroom/archives/2009/08/17/the-public-option-individual-mandate-two-step/comment-page-1/#comment-36775</link>
		<dc:creator>Hot Air &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Good news: Time for another celebrity ObamaCare ad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 21:35:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] burbling about single-payer would like. Too simple? No problem: Have Public Option&#8217;s coach, Individual Mandate, leap in from the sidelines and wield the tire iron instead. Too wonky for SNL, admittedly, but [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] burbling about single-payer would like. Too simple? No problem: Have Public Option&#8217;s coach, Individual Mandate, leap in from the sidelines and wield the tire iron instead. Too wonky for SNL, admittedly, but [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Obama is the worst posible sort: a profoundly vain ignoramus &#171; docweaselblog</title>
		<link>http://hotair.com/greenroom/archives/2009/08/17/the-public-option-individual-mandate-two-step/comment-page-1/#comment-24618</link>
		<dc:creator>Obama is the worst posible sort: a profoundly vain ignoramus &#171; docweaselblog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 15:02:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Hot Air: The Public Option [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Dog bites</title>
		<link>http://hotair.com/greenroom/archives/2009/08/17/the-public-option-individual-mandate-two-step/comment-page-1/#comment-24519</link>
		<dc:creator>Dog bites</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Aug 2009 22:48:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Which brings us back to you can&#039;t trust one bit of this passing.  If they get 1/2 or 2/3 of this crap sandwich to pass, it is just a matter of time before they start tweaking it and adding new components into the highway bill.
We have to let them know that any bill will cost them their job!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Which brings us back to you can&#8217;t trust one bit of this passing.  If they get 1/2 or 2/3 of this crap sandwich to pass, it is just a matter of time before they start tweaking it and adding new components into the highway bill.<br />
We have to let them know that any bill will cost them their job!</p>
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		<title>By: Hot Air &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Pelosi to Obama: We&#8217;re not taking the public option out of the House bill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hot Air &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Pelosi to Obama: We&#8217;re not taking the public option out of the House bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Aug 2009 21:30:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] with liberal ornaments to increase their leverage during negotiations. Also, as Karl noted earlier in the Greenroom, the more public scrutiny is focused on the public option, the less focused it is on other [...]</description>
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		<title>By: MTF</title>
		<link>http://hotair.com/greenroom/archives/2009/08/17/the-public-option-individual-mandate-two-step/comment-page-1/#comment-24486</link>
		<dc:creator>MTF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Aug 2009 19:43:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Republicans should not celebrate too soon.  Nationalized health care and mandatory health insurance may be failing, but the failed past entitlements are still on life support.  About the only good thing one could say about ObamaCare is that Congress tried to figure out some way to deal with the Medicare mess, and we will still need to do that at some point in the relatively near future.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Republicans should not celebrate too soon.  Nationalized health care and mandatory health insurance may be failing, but the failed past entitlements are still on life support.  About the only good thing one could say about ObamaCare is that Congress tried to figure out some way to deal with the Medicare mess, and we will still need to do that at some point in the relatively near future.</p>
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		<title>By: mrflibbleisvryx</title>
		<link>http://hotair.com/greenroom/archives/2009/08/17/the-public-option-individual-mandate-two-step/comment-page-1/#comment-24485</link>
		<dc:creator>mrflibbleisvryx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Aug 2009 19:31:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The mandate, as is currently written, doesn&#039;t just affect the uninsured. My family of 3 has an insurance policy that hubby and I purchased on our own (ie, not through an employer). It is a high-deductible plan, meant to be used primarily for catastrophic illness or accidents, that does not meet the definition of a &quot;qualified&quot; plan under the current House or Senate drafts. 

In the section that details out the mandate and the tax penalty associated with it, it states that if you don&#039;t have a plan that is deemed &quot;qualified&quot; under the section that lays out said qualifications, you pay the tax. 

In a nutshell, my family is young, healthy, and we have been responsible with our health and our money so that we could purchase what only what we NEED in health coverage and pay for routine services out of pocket. But &lt;em&gt;&lt;strong&gt;we will be taxed anyway&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/em&gt; under this mandate because our plan doesn&#039;t meet the &quot;qualifications&quot;. 

This is the point we have to really hammer home. Even if you have insurance, &lt;strong&gt;if the government decides your plan isn&#039;t good enough, you are penalized.&lt;/strong&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The mandate, as is currently written, doesn&#8217;t just affect the uninsured. My family of 3 has an insurance policy that hubby and I purchased on our own (ie, not through an employer). It is a high-deductible plan, meant to be used primarily for catastrophic illness or accidents, that does not meet the definition of a &#8220;qualified&#8221; plan under the current House or Senate drafts. </p>
<p>In the section that details out the mandate and the tax penalty associated with it, it states that if you don&#8217;t have a plan that is deemed &#8220;qualified&#8221; under the section that lays out said qualifications, you pay the tax. </p>
<p>In a nutshell, my family is young, healthy, and we have been responsible with our health and our money so that we could purchase what only what we NEED in health coverage and pay for routine services out of pocket. But <em><strong>we will be taxed anyway</strong></em> under this mandate because our plan doesn&#8217;t meet the &#8220;qualifications&#8221;. </p>
<p>This is the point we have to really hammer home. Even if you have insurance, <strong>if the government decides your plan isn&#8217;t good enough, you are penalized.</strong></p>
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		<title>By: ckoeber</title>
		<link>http://hotair.com/greenroom/archives/2009/08/17/the-public-option-individual-mandate-two-step/comment-page-1/#comment-24484</link>
		<dc:creator>ckoeber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Aug 2009 19:22:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Heh, fun looking at the fantasy of &quot;killing the public option&quot;.

As posted elsewhere, here is the reality:

-House Ways &amp; Means - &lt;strong&gt;PASSED&lt;/strong&gt; - “Strong” public option
-House Education &amp; Labor - &lt;strong&gt;PASSED&lt;/strong&gt; - Public option
-House Energy &amp; Commerce - &lt;strong&gt;PASSED&lt;/strong&gt; - Public option
&lt;strong&gt;-The reconciled final House “Tri-Committee” Bill passed with a strong public option.&lt;/strong&gt;

-Senate HELP Committee - &lt;strong&gt;PASSED&lt;/strong&gt; - Public option
-Senate Finance Committee - &lt;em&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Where all of the hoopla is…&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/em&gt;

So, the Public Option is dead? Not by a long shot.

Basically Obama just needs to get whatever is going on in the Finance Committee out and then work things back with conferences.

The straight up/down vote is the only thing left in the House.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heh, fun looking at the fantasy of &#8220;killing the public option&#8221;.</p>
<p>As posted elsewhere, here is the reality:</p>
<p>-House Ways &amp; Means &#8211; <strong>PASSED</strong> &#8211; “Strong” public option<br />
-House Education &amp; Labor &#8211; <strong>PASSED</strong> &#8211; Public option<br />
-House Energy &amp; Commerce &#8211; <strong>PASSED</strong> &#8211; Public option<br />
<strong>-The reconciled final House “Tri-Committee” Bill passed with a strong public option.</strong></p>
<p>-Senate HELP Committee &#8211; <strong>PASSED</strong> &#8211; Public option<br />
-Senate Finance Committee &#8211; <em><strong>Where all of the hoopla is…</strong></em></p>
<p>So, the Public Option is dead? Not by a long shot.</p>
<p>Basically Obama just needs to get whatever is going on in the Finance Committee out and then work things back with conferences.</p>
<p>The straight up/down vote is the only thing left in the House.</p>
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		<title>By: marklmail</title>
		<link>http://hotair.com/greenroom/archives/2009/08/17/the-public-option-individual-mandate-two-step/comment-page-1/#comment-24483</link>
		<dc:creator>marklmail</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Aug 2009 19:21:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can you imagine the scheming Pelosi and Reid are doing? OMG, they could teach a course on the art of lying.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can you imagine the scheming Pelosi and Reid are doing? OMG, they could teach a course on the art of lying.</p>
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		<title>By: sonnyspats1</title>
		<link>http://hotair.com/greenroom/archives/2009/08/17/the-public-option-individual-mandate-two-step/comment-page-1/#comment-24482</link>
		<dc:creator>sonnyspats1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Aug 2009 19:08:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And yes the individual mandate amounts to a government restriction on my freedom of choice. Period.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And yes the individual mandate amounts to a government restriction on my freedom of choice. Period.</p>
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		<title>By: Cinday Blackburn</title>
		<link>http://hotair.com/greenroom/archives/2009/08/17/the-public-option-individual-mandate-two-step/comment-page-1/#comment-24481</link>
		<dc:creator>Cinday Blackburn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Aug 2009 19:06:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But wait............I thought we could trust The Messiah - I mean he crowned himself both here and in Germany in Temple-like settings............you mean he is someone we cannot trust?  Taxes?  Foreign Policy?  America&#039;s exceptionalism?  The Dept. of Justice.  Backroom deals with BigPharma?  Illegals including his Auntie?  His wife&#039;s BIG mouth and $10,000 purses?  Well I KNOW we can at least trust that he was born in the good old US of A...............can&#039;t we?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But wait&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;I thought we could trust The Messiah &#8211; I mean he crowned himself both here and in Germany in Temple-like settings&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;you mean he is someone we cannot trust?  Taxes?  Foreign Policy?  America&#8217;s exceptionalism?  The Dept. of Justice.  Backroom deals with BigPharma?  Illegals including his Auntie?  His wife&#8217;s BIG mouth and $10,000 purses?  Well I KNOW we can at least trust that he was born in the good old US of A&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;can&#8217;t we?</p>
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		<title>By: Skandia Recluse</title>
		<link>http://hotair.com/greenroom/archives/2009/08/17/the-public-option-individual-mandate-two-step/comment-page-1/#comment-24480</link>
		<dc:creator>Skandia Recluse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Aug 2009 18:58:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;a mandate would reduce insurance premiums by &lt;em&gt;making the uninsured pay their fair share&lt;/em&gt;). &lt;/blockquote&gt;

. . . and that gives the game away.

Why do I have to carry auto insurance? Because if I operate my automobile in a reckless and negligent manner, texting, talking on the cell phone, reading a book while driving, and cause a collusion with another vehicle, &lt;strong&gt;other people&lt;/strong&gt; get hurt. 

If I do not have health insurance and suffer some calamity and am unable to pay for health care, I am the party who suffers. Unless you want to attempt the argument that friends and family would suffer from my passing. (As if.)

Changing the argument to &#039;paying your fair share&#039; by government fiat, the mandatory participation in health &#039;insurance&#039; changes it from voluntary sharing of costs, into a government tax that punishes responsible behavior, and rewards undesired behavior.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>a mandate would reduce insurance premiums by <em>making the uninsured pay their fair share</em>). </p></blockquote>
<p>. . . and that gives the game away.</p>
<p>Why do I have to carry auto insurance? Because if I operate my automobile in a reckless and negligent manner, texting, talking on the cell phone, reading a book while driving, and cause a collusion with another vehicle, <strong>other people</strong> get hurt. </p>
<p>If I do not have health insurance and suffer some calamity and am unable to pay for health care, I am the party who suffers. Unless you want to attempt the argument that friends and family would suffer from my passing. (As if.)</p>
<p>Changing the argument to &#8216;paying your fair share&#8217; by government fiat, the mandatory participation in health &#8216;insurance&#8217; changes it from voluntary sharing of costs, into a government tax that punishes responsible behavior, and rewards undesired behavior.</p>
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		<title>By: Drained Brain</title>
		<link>http://hotair.com/greenroom/archives/2009/08/17/the-public-option-individual-mandate-two-step/comment-page-1/#comment-24479</link>
		<dc:creator>Drained Brain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Aug 2009 18:55:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The simple fact is that a strong majority of Americans don&#039;t want Obamacare. The bloom is off the silver-tongued-Obama rose. It&#039;s going to be hard for them to work around that. If they do, they&#039;ll pay in the 2010 election. Think of the start-up problems (e.g. the recent Cash for Clunkers fiasco which is a drop in the bucket in comparison). 

It&#039;s okay to be optimistic but not to be complacent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The simple fact is that a strong majority of Americans don&#8217;t want Obamacare. The bloom is off the silver-tongued-Obama rose. It&#8217;s going to be hard for them to work around that. If they do, they&#8217;ll pay in the 2010 election. Think of the start-up problems (e.g. the recent Cash for Clunkers fiasco which is a drop in the bucket in comparison). </p>
<p>It&#8217;s okay to be optimistic but not to be complacent.</p>
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		<title>By: BKeyser</title>
		<link>http://hotair.com/greenroom/archives/2009/08/17/the-public-option-individual-mandate-two-step/comment-page-1/#comment-24478</link>
		<dc:creator>BKeyser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Aug 2009 18:53:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, the link didn&#039;t work. Trying again:

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.flickr.com/photos/sgtkey0811/3830273887/sizes/o/in/set-72157621720095249/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Obama Flip-Flops&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, the link didn&#8217;t work. Trying again:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/sgtkey0811/3830273887/sizes/o/in/set-72157621720095249/" rel="nofollow">Obama Flip-Flops</a></p>
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		<title>By: BKeyser</title>
		<link>http://hotair.com/greenroom/archives/2009/08/17/the-public-option-individual-mandate-two-step/comment-page-1/#comment-24477</link>
		<dc:creator>BKeyser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Aug 2009 18:51:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Posting this again, feel free to comment on the Flickr page.

Obama Flip-Flops&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.flickr.com/photos/sgtkey0811/3830273887/sizes/o/in/set-72157621720095249/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Posting this again, feel free to comment on the Flickr page.</p>
<p>Obama Flip-Flops<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/sgtkey0811/3830273887/sizes/o/in/set-72157621720095249/" rel="nofollow"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Public Option Doublespeak &#124; Be John Galt</title>
		<link>http://hotair.com/greenroom/archives/2009/08/17/the-public-option-individual-mandate-two-step/comment-page-1/#comment-24442</link>
		<dc:creator>Public Option Doublespeak &#124; Be John Galt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Aug 2009 14:32:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] links to Keith Hennessey and Ramesh Ponnuru in The Public Option - Individual Mandate Two-step: Killing the public plan is essential, but not enough to prevent government-run health care. Ramesh [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] links to Keith Hennessey and Ramesh Ponnuru in The Public Option &#8211; Individual Mandate Two-step: Killing the public plan is essential, but not enough to prevent government-run health care. Ramesh [...]</p>
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		<title>By: MarkT</title>
		<link>http://hotair.com/greenroom/archives/2009/08/17/the-public-option-individual-mandate-two-step/comment-page-1/#comment-24441</link>
		<dc:creator>MarkT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Aug 2009 14:24:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;The current travesty Obama calls a Public Option is not dead.&lt;/strong&gt;  Dem leaders are moving the PO off-line.  It will not be in the House version, there&#039;s too many free thinkers in the House, so BO and his Chicago mob are moving it to the Senate, where there are fewer moderates to intimidate.  Rahm will promise them that millions will be spent against any D Senator who dares stand against it.

RE (stabbing steak knife into table): &lt;em&gt;&quot;Any f---ing Senator who f---ing stands in our f---cking way?  F---ing dead!  &lt;strong&gt;Dead!!&lt;/strong&gt;&quot;&lt;/em&gt;

Insurance regulation, drug cost control, tort reform, putting more GP&#039;s into the field.  All needed, all ignored.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>The current travesty Obama calls a Public Option is not dead.</strong>  Dem leaders are moving the PO off-line.  It will not be in the House version, there&#8217;s too many free thinkers in the House, so BO and his Chicago mob are moving it to the Senate, where there are fewer moderates to intimidate.  Rahm will promise them that millions will be spent against any D Senator who dares stand against it.</p>
<p>RE (stabbing steak knife into table): <em>&#8220;Any f&#8212;ing Senator who f&#8212;ing stands in our f&#8212;cking way?  F&#8212;ing dead!  <strong>Dead!!</strong>&#8220;</em></p>
<p>Insurance regulation, drug cost control, tort reform, putting more GP&#8217;s into the field.  All needed, all ignored.</p>
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		<title>By: Donald Douglas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Donald Douglas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Aug 2009 14:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michelle got it right. It&#039;s a Leninist ploy, &lt;a href=&quot;http://americanpowerblog.blogspot.com/2009/08/obama-on-public-option-two-steps.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&#039;Obama on Public Option: Two Steps Forward One Step Back&#039;&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michelle got it right. It&#8217;s a Leninist ploy, <a href="http://americanpowerblog.blogspot.com/2009/08/obama-on-public-option-two-steps.html" rel="nofollow">&#8216;Obama on Public Option: Two Steps Forward One Step Back&#8217;</a>.</p>
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