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		<title>By: Mongo Mere Pawn</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Aug 2009 18:10:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;petefrt on August 10, 2009 at 12:17 PM

Touche&#039;

It&#039;s not the insurance.  It&#039;s not the economy.  It&#039;s the bureuacrats, stupid!!

People are finally figuring out what&#039;s been going on for decades now.  Our wonderful politicians pass a law so huge and with such vague language that nobody really knows what&#039;s in it or, more importantly, how it will be interpreted by the agencies and the courts in the long run.  They slap a name on it like, The Everyone Gets Ice Cream for Life Act of 2009, so their re-election ads will convey their own commitment to life, liberty and, especially, the pursuit of happiness or, conversely, their opponent&#039;s commitment to force grandma to eat dog food from the local sewer.  Then, two or three years later, when the relevant agency or court holds that, indeed, the bad stuff that the law&#039;s opponents said was in it, really was in it, they blame the agency (hopefully, now the responsibility of the opposing party) or the courts for &quot;misinterpreting&quot; what they intended all along, but gee, sorry, we can&#039;t get a repeal through Congress because there&#039;s always a hardcore minority that will block any such legislation.

That&#039;s why everyone suspects that there is a death panel in this thing.  What do you think the &quot;comparative efficiency&quot; panel will morph into when the bureaucrats get ahold of it?  Sorry, grandma, you&#039;ve been in ICU for chronic respiratory problems one time too many this year, we just can&#039;t keep paying for your visits.  Next time, we&#039;ll just keep you comfortable pharmaceutically while you suffocate to death.  Sorry, ma&#039;am, but the amnio came back strongly suggesting Down Syndrome and we just can&#039;t afford to pay you for taking care of such a child.  We&#039;ll pay to terminate your pregnancy, however.  

Does anyone truly trust that the bureaucrats won&#039;t make such decisions, especially when every attempt by the Republicans to insert amendments to prevent these things from happening gets voted down by &quot;empathetic&quot; Democrats?  It is simply no response to assert that the phrase &quot;death panel&quot; is not in any bill.  Kudos to Sarah for raising the issue, and to Newt for pointing out this obvious fact in her support.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>petefrt on August 10, 2009 at 12:17 PM</p>
<p>Touche&#8217;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not the insurance.  It&#8217;s not the economy.  It&#8217;s the bureuacrats, stupid!!</p>
<p>People are finally figuring out what&#8217;s been going on for decades now.  Our wonderful politicians pass a law so huge and with such vague language that nobody really knows what&#8217;s in it or, more importantly, how it will be interpreted by the agencies and the courts in the long run.  They slap a name on it like, The Everyone Gets Ice Cream for Life Act of 2009, so their re-election ads will convey their own commitment to life, liberty and, especially, the pursuit of happiness or, conversely, their opponent&#8217;s commitment to force grandma to eat dog food from the local sewer.  Then, two or three years later, when the relevant agency or court holds that, indeed, the bad stuff that the law&#8217;s opponents said was in it, really was in it, they blame the agency (hopefully, now the responsibility of the opposing party) or the courts for &#8220;misinterpreting&#8221; what they intended all along, but gee, sorry, we can&#8217;t get a repeal through Congress because there&#8217;s always a hardcore minority that will block any such legislation.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s why everyone suspects that there is a death panel in this thing.  What do you think the &#8220;comparative efficiency&#8221; panel will morph into when the bureaucrats get ahold of it?  Sorry, grandma, you&#8217;ve been in ICU for chronic respiratory problems one time too many this year, we just can&#8217;t keep paying for your visits.  Next time, we&#8217;ll just keep you comfortable pharmaceutically while you suffocate to death.  Sorry, ma&#8217;am, but the amnio came back strongly suggesting Down Syndrome and we just can&#8217;t afford to pay you for taking care of such a child.  We&#8217;ll pay to terminate your pregnancy, however.  </p>
<p>Does anyone truly trust that the bureaucrats won&#8217;t make such decisions, especially when every attempt by the Republicans to insert amendments to prevent these things from happening gets voted down by &#8220;empathetic&#8221; Democrats?  It is simply no response to assert that the phrase &#8220;death panel&#8221; is not in any bill.  Kudos to Sarah for raising the issue, and to Newt for pointing out this obvious fact in her support.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: petefrt</title>
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		<dc:creator>petefrt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Aug 2009 17:17:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Breaking: 

Earlier today, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nypost.com/seven/07242009/postopinion/opedcolumnists/deadly_doctors_180941.htm?&amp;page=1&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Ezekiel Emanuel&lt;/a&gt;, top health care advisor to the Obama Administration, announced the Administration would propose additional health care legislation, an &lt;strong&gt;Act to Protect the Maximum Value of Every Human Life&lt;/strong&gt; (Life Protection Act). 

The Act is designed to protect and maximize the remaining value  of lives of seniors too elderly for cost-effective medical treatment.  It would provide for (1) a network of mandatory hospices for persons over 65, (2) nationalization of the hospice and undertaking sector, and (3) a federal agency responsible for assuming carcass custody, and processing, marketing and distribution of carcass products.   The hospice provisions of the Act would ensure quality control of outcomes (nutritional value, flavor, tenderness of meat products) by mandated regimens of diet and physical behavior for hospice residents.

Its sponsors assert that The Life Protection Act will contain costs and add efficiencies to our health care system that will over ten years eliminate the federal deficit. It will also:
•	Free up corn previously required for food supply for ethanol production, thereby reducing the cost of ethanol and lowering food prices for the poor and consumers in Third World countries. 
•	Add or save 15.2 million green jobs and rescue the economy from the brink of depression.

An amendment to the Life Protection Act would add mentally and physically handicapped persons, and children under three. Fetuses, however, would be separately regulated and reserved for the consumption of senior officials in the legislative and executive branches of the federal government.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Breaking: </p>
<p>Earlier today, <a href="http://www.nypost.com/seven/07242009/postopinion/opedcolumnists/deadly_doctors_180941.htm?&amp;page=1" rel="nofollow">Ezekiel Emanuel</a>, top health care advisor to the Obama Administration, announced the Administration would propose additional health care legislation, an <strong>Act to Protect the Maximum Value of Every Human Life</strong> (Life Protection Act). </p>
<p>The Act is designed to protect and maximize the remaining value  of lives of seniors too elderly for cost-effective medical treatment.  It would provide for (1) a network of mandatory hospices for persons over 65, (2) nationalization of the hospice and undertaking sector, and (3) a federal agency responsible for assuming carcass custody, and processing, marketing and distribution of carcass products.   The hospice provisions of the Act would ensure quality control of outcomes (nutritional value, flavor, tenderness of meat products) by mandated regimens of diet and physical behavior for hospice residents.</p>
<p>Its sponsors assert that The Life Protection Act will contain costs and add efficiencies to our health care system that will over ten years eliminate the federal deficit. It will also:<br />
•	Free up corn previously required for food supply for ethanol production, thereby reducing the cost of ethanol and lowering food prices for the poor and consumers in Third World countries.<br />
•	Add or save 15.2 million green jobs and rescue the economy from the brink of depression.</p>
<p>An amendment to the Life Protection Act would add mentally and physically handicapped persons, and children under three. Fetuses, however, would be separately regulated and reserved for the consumption of senior officials in the legislative and executive branches of the federal government.</p>
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		<title>By: MarkTheGreat</title>
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		<dc:creator>MarkTheGreat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Aug 2009 16:52:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;These people who believe they are the elites are all the dorky geeks we all made fun of in school. 

Jayrae on August 9, 2009 at 9:50 PM&lt;/blockquote&gt;

As one of those geeks that you probably made fun of in high school, I resent this generalization.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>These people who believe they are the elites are all the dorky geeks we all made fun of in school. </p>
<p>Jayrae on August 9, 2009 at 9:50 PM</p></blockquote>
<p>As one of those geeks that you probably made fun of in high school, I resent this generalization.</p>
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		<title>By: MarkTheGreat</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Aug 2009 16:50:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt; people scratch our heartless heads&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Don&#039;t know about Democrats, but my heart isn&#039;t in my head.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p> people scratch our heartless heads</p></blockquote>
<p>Don&#8217;t know about Democrats, but my heart isn&#8217;t in my head.</p>
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		<title>By: volsense</title>
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		<dc:creator>volsense</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Aug 2009 16:37:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obama&#039;s war on the baby boomers proves he is not experienced enough to be president. The lies and deceptions are so ludicrous that even the brainwashed lemmings with single digit IQs are being embarrassed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obama&#8217;s war on the baby boomers proves he is not experienced enough to be president. The lies and deceptions are so ludicrous that even the brainwashed lemmings with single digit IQs are being embarrassed.</p>
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		<title>By: texabama</title>
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		<dc:creator>texabama</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Aug 2009 16:25:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If this bureaucratic nightmare passes we will all be the poor waiting for care.  Our bankrupt nation cannot afford more and more people feeding off it instead of nourishing it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If this bureaucratic nightmare passes we will all be the poor waiting for care.  Our bankrupt nation cannot afford more and more people feeding off it instead of nourishing it.</p>
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		<title>By: sherryande</title>
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		<dc:creator>sherryande</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Aug 2009 16:08:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You don&#039;t have to go anywhere except Oregon - this is already happening........and I haven&#039;t heard a word about this from anyone.

http://speakmymindblog.com/2009/08/10/oregon-health-plan-ohp-a-peek-into-the-future-of-obamacare/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You don&#8217;t have to go anywhere except Oregon &#8211; this is already happening&#8230;&#8230;..and I haven&#8217;t heard a word about this from anyone.</p>
<p><a href="http://speakmymindblog.com/2009/08/10/oregon-health-plan-ohp-a-peek-into-the-future-of-obamacare/" rel="nofollow">http://speakmymindblog.com/2009/08/10/oregon-health-plan-ohp-a-peek-into-the-future-of-obamacare/</a></p>
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		<title>By: hawksruleva</title>
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		<dc:creator>hawksruleva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Aug 2009 15:57:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pollack dodges the truth. The poor will suffer under this plan, because the government is a terrible administrator. See medicare. See medicaid. See the VA Health System. See the Indian reservation health system. 

A government healh plan will always siphon funds off for bureaucracy and end up providing a lower level of service for the money invested. 

You want to help the poor? Get rid of all the government medi-programs, and eliminate the payroll deductions that the poor are paying, to invest in private insurance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pollack dodges the truth. The poor will suffer under this plan, because the government is a terrible administrator. See medicare. See medicaid. See the VA Health System. See the Indian reservation health system. </p>
<p>A government healh plan will always siphon funds off for bureaucracy and end up providing a lower level of service for the money invested. </p>
<p>You want to help the poor? Get rid of all the government medi-programs, and eliminate the payroll deductions that the poor are paying, to invest in private insurance.</p>
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		<title>By: Blake</title>
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		<dc:creator>Blake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Aug 2009 15:51:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Aren’t there “death panels” already in Europe? Aren’t doctors in Holland killing off patients, for instance?

Johnny 100 Pesos on August 10, 2009 at 10:30 AM&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Yes. And there are panels in the UK who deny treatment or in the case of some, if they obtain it on their own, then punish the patient by cutting them off entirely from the NHS.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Aren’t there “death panels” already in Europe? Aren’t doctors in Holland killing off patients, for instance?</p>
<p>Johnny 100 Pesos on August 10, 2009 at 10:30 AM</p></blockquote>
<p>Yes. And there are panels in the UK who deny treatment or in the case of some, if they obtain it on their own, then punish the patient by cutting them off entirely from the NHS.</p>
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		<title>By: LibraryGryffon</title>
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		<dc:creator>LibraryGryffon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Aug 2009 15:50:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve seen the article online, embedded at someone&#039;s site today, but I don&#039;t have the link.  If you have access to The Lancet, read &quot;Principles for allocation of scarce medical interventions&quot; by G Persad and others (including E Emanuel) in the January 31 issue, Vol 373(9661):423-361. It&#039;s the &quot;Department of Ethics&quot; section.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve seen the article online, embedded at someone&#8217;s site today, but I don&#8217;t have the link.  If you have access to The Lancet, read &#8220;Principles for allocation of scarce medical interventions&#8221; by G Persad and others (including E Emanuel) in the January 31 issue, Vol 373(9661):423-361. It&#8217;s the &#8220;Department of Ethics&#8221; section.</p>
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		<title>By: Ozprey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ozprey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Aug 2009 15:32:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Dr. Ezekiel Emanuel, a respected oncologist who has taken on the position of health-policy adviser at the Office of Management and Budget and is a member of Federal Council on Comparative Effectiveness Research.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Another sick &lt;strike&gt;eugenics&lt;/strike&gt; (sustainable developer) freak in this administration...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Dr. Ezekiel Emanuel, a respected oncologist who has taken on the position of health-policy adviser at the Office of Management and Budget and is a member of Federal Council on Comparative Effectiveness Research.</p></blockquote>
<p>Another sick <strike>eugenics</strike> (sustainable developer) freak in this administration&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Johnny 100 Pesos</title>
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		<dc:creator>Johnny 100 Pesos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Aug 2009 15:30:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aren&#039;t there &quot;death panels&quot; already in Europe?  Aren&#039;t doctors in Holland killing off patients, for instance?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aren&#8217;t there &#8220;death panels&#8221; already in Europe?  Aren&#8217;t doctors in Holland killing off patients, for instance?</p>
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		<title>By: Calm Before the Storm</title>
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		<dc:creator>Calm Before the Storm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Aug 2009 15:27:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Again, I must say, Charles Johnson is a pussy. Go to LGF and see what that punk&#039;s bitch has to say. Elitism simply oozes from that moron.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Again, I must say, Charles Johnson is a pussy. Go to LGF and see what that punk&#8217;s bitch has to say. Elitism simply oozes from that moron.</p>
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		<title>By: Jayrae</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jayrae</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Aug 2009 02:50:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>These people bring new meaning to lobotomy. I sincerely believe the word &quot;obotomized&quot; will be added to Webster`s in the near future. I would rather have WHOLESOME Sarah Palin instructing my children at university than these &quot;useful idiot&quot; dorks.

These people who believe they are the elites are all the dorky geeks we all made fun of in school. Truly this is &quot;THE REVENGE OF THE NERDS.&quot; Nerds trying to tell us that big ears Mom`s jeans is cool, pathetic. And Downs syndrome children deserve to die. Pathetic  little Hitlers!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These people bring new meaning to lobotomy. I sincerely believe the word &#8220;obotomized&#8221; will be added to Webster`s in the near future. I would rather have WHOLESOME Sarah Palin instructing my children at university than these &#8220;useful idiot&#8221; dorks.</p>
<p>These people who believe they are the elites are all the dorky geeks we all made fun of in school. Truly this is &#8220;THE REVENGE OF THE NERDS.&#8221; Nerds trying to tell us that big ears Mom`s jeans is cool, pathetic. And Downs syndrome children deserve to die. Pathetic  little Hitlers!</p>
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		<title>By: Blake</title>
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		<dc:creator>Blake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Aug 2009 22:49:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;If you live in any big city, go down to your local public hospital emergency room. You will probably find people in visible discomfort or illness languishing for hours. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

And if you go to Canada, you will find people in visible discomfort or illness languishing for months and months because they can&#039;t get in to see a specialist, or schedule a surgery, or a bed in a hospital due to nationalized healthcare.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>If you live in any big city, go down to your local public hospital emergency room. You will probably find people in visible discomfort or illness languishing for hours. </p></blockquote>
<p>And if you go to Canada, you will find people in visible discomfort or illness languishing for months and months because they can&#8217;t get in to see a specialist, or schedule a surgery, or a bed in a hospital due to nationalized healthcare.</p>
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		<title>By: ZOMBIE CONTENTIONS - We have seen the &#8220;death panel,&#8221; and you are on it</title>
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		<dc:creator>ZOMBIE CONTENTIONS - We have seen the &#8220;death panel,&#8221; and you are on it</dc:creator>
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