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		<title>By: &#8216;Fat-Cat City&#8217; with Bloated, Complicated ObamaCare Bureaucracy: Check Out the Scary-Huge Organizational Chart of House Democrats&#8217; Single-Payer Health Plan &#171; Frugal Café Blog Zone</title>
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		<dc:creator>&#8216;Fat-Cat City&#8217; with Bloated, Complicated ObamaCare Bureaucracy: Check Out the Scary-Huge Organizational Chart of House Democrats&#8217; Single-Payer Health Plan &#171; Frugal Café Blog Zone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jul 2009 10:03:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Insurance The Daley Gator: Oh goody health care hijacking bill to be unveiled Hot Air Green Room: Beyond rationing: controlling more than “health” and Obamacare: The mask is off and Obamacare represents total disdain for the Constitution and [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Insurance The Daley Gator: Oh goody health care hijacking bill to be unveiled Hot Air Green Room: Beyond rationing: controlling more than “health” and Obamacare: The mask is off and Obamacare represents total disdain for the Constitution and [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Dems&#8217; Sheep-herding Health Welfare Program Like Eastern Bloc: Reckless Disregard for Economic &#38; Fiscal Reality &#171; Frugal Café Blog Zone</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dems&#8217; Sheep-herding Health Welfare Program Like Eastern Bloc: Reckless Disregard for Economic &#38; Fiscal Reality &#171; Frugal Café Blog Zone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jul 2009 10:01:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Silence from Obama: House Dem Health Bill Violates Obama&#8217;s Tax Pledge Hot Air Green Room: Beyond rationing: controlling more than “health” Hot Air: CBO: House version of ObamaCare adds $239 billion to deficit (Democrats respond by cooking [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Silence from Obama: House Dem Health Bill Violates Obama&#8217;s Tax Pledge Hot Air Green Room: Beyond rationing: controlling more than “health” Hot Air: CBO: House version of ObamaCare adds $239 billion to deficit (Democrats respond by cooking [...]</p>
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		<title>By: batterup</title>
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		<dc:creator>batterup</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jul 2009 03:45:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A generation ago asked &quot;what if they gave a war, and no body came?&quot;

Today there is talk of going Galt in the medical community.
&quot;what if they mandated government run healthcare and nobody came to work?&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A generation ago asked &#8220;what if they gave a war, and no body came?&#8221;</p>
<p>Today there is talk of going Galt in the medical community.<br />
&#8220;what if they mandated government run healthcare and nobody came to work?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: PackerBronco</title>
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		<dc:creator>PackerBronco</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jul 2009 22:10:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Imagining your own or a loved one’s fate in the hands of bureaucrats and “experts” is horrifying.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

To be fair, he does say:

&lt;blockquote&gt;And that’s part of why you have to have some independent group that can give you guidance. It’s not determinative, but I think has to be able to give you some guidance&lt;/blockquote&gt;

So it really comes down to:

Imagining your own or a loved one’s fate in the hands of 

   * Bureaucrats
   * Politicians
   * Your fellow voters ...

... is horrifying.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Imagining your own or a loved one’s fate in the hands of bureaucrats and “experts” is horrifying.</p></blockquote>
<p>To be fair, he does say:</p>
<blockquote><p>And that’s part of why you have to have some independent group that can give you guidance. It’s not determinative, but I think has to be able to give you some guidance</p></blockquote>
<p>So it really comes down to:</p>
<p>Imagining your own or a loved one’s fate in the hands of </p>
<p>   * Bureaucrats<br />
   * Politicians<br />
   * Your fellow voters &#8230;</p>
<p>&#8230; is horrifying.</p>
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		<title>By: 24K lady</title>
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		<dc:creator>24K lady</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jul 2009 18:57:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It has never occurred to any of the idiots pushing this scheme to only cover those lacking insurance.  Anyone that can&#039;t see the real agenda is blind...but I&#039;m hearing from many supportive of Dr. Mengele&#039;s Healthcare Reform Bill is that we don&#039;t have a choice.  Huh?  The one glaring thing this bill does encourage is stupidity.  Let someone else do your thinking and make the decisions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It has never occurred to any of the idiots pushing this scheme to only cover those lacking insurance.  Anyone that can&#8217;t see the real agenda is blind&#8230;but I&#8217;m hearing from many supportive of Dr. Mengele&#8217;s Healthcare Reform Bill is that we don&#8217;t have a choice.  Huh?  The one glaring thing this bill does encourage is stupidity.  Let someone else do your thinking and make the decisions.</p>
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		<title>By: Wethal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wethal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jul 2009 15:41:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;One troubling provision of the House bill compels seniors to submit to a counseling session every five years (and more often if they become sick or go into a nursing home) about alternatives for end-of-life care (House bill, p. 425-430). The sessions cover highly sensitive matters such as whether to receive antibiotics and &quot;the use of artificially administered nutrition and hydration.&quot; 

This mandate invites abuse, and seniors could easily be pushed to refuse care. Do we really want government involved in such deeply personal issues? &lt;/blockquote&gt;

From the Betsy McCaughey article linked up in Headlines. 

Imagine the elderly &quot;counseling&quot;: &quot;You don&#039;t want to be a burden, now, do you....&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>One troubling provision of the House bill compels seniors to submit to a counseling session every five years (and more often if they become sick or go into a nursing home) about alternatives for end-of-life care (House bill, p. 425-430). The sessions cover highly sensitive matters such as whether to receive antibiotics and &#8220;the use of artificially administered nutrition and hydration.&#8221; </p>
<p>This mandate invites abuse, and seniors could easily be pushed to refuse care. Do we really want government involved in such deeply personal issues? </p></blockquote>
<p>From the Betsy McCaughey article linked up in Headlines. </p>
<p>Imagine the elderly &#8220;counseling&#8221;: &#8220;You don&#8217;t want to be a burden, now, do you&#8230;.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: MamaAJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>MamaAJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jul 2009 15:08:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Imagining your own or a loved one’s fate in the hands of bureaucrats and “experts” is horrifying.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Don&#039;t forget the politicians! Congress loves to change Tricare benefits, with &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.usmedicine.com/article.cfm?articleID=204&amp;issueID=27&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;mixed success&lt;/a&gt;:

&lt;blockquote&gt; Congress last year added new entitlements called TriCare For Life to the TriCare health package with the enactment of the &quot;National Defense Authorization Act for FY 2001.&quot; In April, DoD introduced its TriCare Senior Pharmacy prescription drug benefit and filled 237,000 prescriptions in the first week. In October, TriCare will begin to act as a second payer to medicare for medicare-eligible retirees, their family members and survivors.

...

Yet, the overall Defense Health Plan (DHP) has been plagued by low-balled funding requests from DoD, under-funding by Congress and the administration, and bureaucratic impediments to cost-saving integration between DoD and Department of Veterans Affairs medical facilities. Rep. McHugh said that DHP officials and TriCare managed care contractors were introducing a &quot;revolutionary&quot; concept to Congress that you actually have to pay for what you promise.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Because health benefits need lots more confusion, don&#039;t they?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Imagining your own or a loved one’s fate in the hands of bureaucrats and “experts” is horrifying.</p></blockquote>
<p>Don&#8217;t forget the politicians! Congress loves to change Tricare benefits, with <a href="http://www.usmedicine.com/article.cfm?articleID=204&amp;issueID=27" rel="nofollow">mixed success</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p> Congress last year added new entitlements called TriCare For Life to the TriCare health package with the enactment of the &#8220;National Defense Authorization Act for FY 2001.&#8221; In April, DoD introduced its TriCare Senior Pharmacy prescription drug benefit and filled 237,000 prescriptions in the first week. In October, TriCare will begin to act as a second payer to medicare for medicare-eligible retirees, their family members and survivors.</p>
<p>&#8230;</p>
<p>Yet, the overall Defense Health Plan (DHP) has been plagued by low-balled funding requests from DoD, under-funding by Congress and the administration, and bureaucratic impediments to cost-saving integration between DoD and Department of Veterans Affairs medical facilities. Rep. McHugh said that DHP officials and TriCare managed care contractors were introducing a &#8220;revolutionary&#8221; concept to Congress that you actually have to pay for what you promise.
</p></blockquote>
<p>Because health benefits need lots more confusion, don&#8217;t they?</p>
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