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Who advocated “sterilizing imbeciles”?

posted at 8:39 am on July 15, 2009 by Pundette
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Supreme Court Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes. See below.

I was slow to mention the statement from Justice Ginsburg on abortion as a eugenics tool. I found it ambiguous and could hardly believe she would espouse such beliefs, privately or openly. But after reading Jonah Goldberg on this subject it’s clear that Justice Ginsburg absolutely must explain what she meant in this NYT interview:

Frankly I had thought that at the time Roe was decided, there was concern about population growth and particularly growth in populations that we don’t want to have too many of. So that Roe was going to be then set up for Medicaid funding for abortion.

Is she one of the “we” she speaks of?

From Jonah’s column:

Left unclear is whether Ginsburg endorses the eugenic motivation she ascribed to the passage of Roe vs. Wade or whether she was merely objectively describing it. One senses that if Antonin Scalia had offered such a comment, a Times interviewer would have sought more clarity, particularly on the racial characteristics of these supposedly unwanted populations.

Regardless, Ginsburg’s certainly right that abortion has very deep roots in the historic effort to “weed out” undesired groups. For instance, Margaret Sanger, the revered feminist and founder of Planned Parenthood, was a racist eugenicist of the first order. Even more perplexing: She’s become a champion of “reproductive freedom” even though she proposed a “Code to Stop Overproduction of Children,” under which “no woman shall have a legal right to bear a child without a permit.” (Poor blacks would have had a particularly hard time getting such licenses from Sanger.)

If Ginsburg does see eugenic culling as a compelling state interest, she’d be in fine company on the court. Oliver Wendell Holmes was a passionate believer in such things. In 1915, Holmes wrote in the Illinois Law Review that the “starting point for an ideal for the law” should be the “coordinated human effort … to build a race.”

In 1927, he wrote a letter to his friend, Harold Laski, telling him, “I … delivered an opinion upholding the constitutionality of a state law for sterilizing imbeciles the other day — and felt that I was getting near the first principle of real reform.” That was the year he wrote the majority opinion in Buck vs. Bell (joined by Louis Brandeis) holding that forcibly sterilizing lower-class women was constitutional. In recent years, openly discussing the notion of eugenic aspects of abortion has become taboo. But as Ginsburg’s comments suggest, the taboo hasn’t eliminated the idea; it’s merely sent it underground.

You may argue that this is all from an earlier, less progressive era. But what follows is of more recent vintage and strictly relevant to contemporary culture:

In 1992, Ron Weddington, co-counsel in the Roe vs. Wade Supreme Court case, wrote a letter to President-elect Clinton, imploring him to rush RU-486 — a.k.a. “the abortion pill” — to market as quickly as possible.

“[Y]ou can start immediately to eliminate the barely educated, unhealthy and poor segment of our country,” Weddington insisted. All the president had to do was make abortion cheap and easy for the populations we don’t want. “It’s what we all know is true, but we only whisper it. … Think of all the poverty, crime and misery … and then add 30 million unwanted babies to the scenario. We lost a lot of ground during the Reagan-Bush religious orgy. We don’t have a lot of time left.”

Read the whole column.

And while we’re on the subject of forced sterilization, let’s take a closer look at John Holdren, Obama’s science ‘czar.’ His book (browse through it here) includes a section on “population control measures,” among them: spiking the food and water supply with sterilizing drugs, forcing sterilization and abortions on the ‘unfit,’ empowering the government to take babies from young or single women, and creating a global army to control intimate human behavior and the world economy.

The Ehrlichs, who co-authored Ecoscience, try to clarify:

“We were not then, never have been, and are not now ‘advocates’ of the Draconian measures for population limitation described — but not recommended — in the book’s 60-plus small-type pages cataloging the full spectrum of population policies that, at the time, had either been tried in some country or analyzed by some commentator.”

Describing “Ecoscience” as a “textbook,” they said its descriptions can be “misrepresented as endorsement.”

We’d need the book to provide the context. It’s possible that they weren’t endorsing these horrors but were using them to frighten students into adopting the pernicious and false ZPG agenda. Fear is a favorite and extremely effective tool of those who wish to control the masses. *See update below.

This just in: Obama’s ‘science czar’ does not support coercive population control.

From Holdren’s spokesman: It’s all just a crazy misunderstanding. First of all, the book is really old:

In Tuesday e-mails to CNA, Rick Weiss, the Office of Science and Technology Policy’s Director of Strategic Communications, said the material at issue was from “a three-decade-old, three-author textbook used in colleges to teach energy policy.”He could “easily dismiss” fears that Dr. Holdren favors government control over population growth.

“He made that quite clear in his confirmation hearing,” Weiss said.

He then quoted a section of the confirmation transcript in which Sen. David Vitter (R-LA) asked Holdren whether he thinks “determining optimal population is a proper role of government.”

“No, Senator, I do not,” was Holdren’s reply, according to Weiss and a transcript of the proceedings.

Phew. But he still seems to promote the old and far from harmless over-population scam:

In other remarks at the confirmation hearing, not cited by Weiss, Holdren told Sen. Vitter he no longer thinks it is “productive” to focus on the “optimum population” for the United States. “I don’t think any of us know what the right answer is.”

That’s not hugely comforting.

According to Weiss, Holdren “made clear that he did not believe in coercive means of population control” and is not an advocate for measures expressed in the book “and they are certainly not endorsed by this administration in any way.”

Fast forward thirty years and it’s clear that population control is being achieved without force. The growth of the acceptance of self-sterilization and destruction of one’s own children as a good in itself as well as “good for the planet” has eliminated the need for coercive measures. There’s no point in killing off cultures that are willing to commit suicide.

*Update: The plot thickens. I’ve been too easy on Holdren. Michelle Malkin writes this morning that Holdren’s self-avowed greatest influence was himself a avowed eugenicist. I hate to ruin your breakfast, but this quote is for real:

Harrison Brown’s book — the book that inspired Obama science czar John Holdren — also infamously likened the world’s growing population to “a pulsating mass of maggots.”

Sickening. But we need to know the enemy. Read Michelle’s whole column. She’s all over this.

There really are two kinds of people: those who see human beings as “maggots,” “imbeciles,” and “monsters” and those who see human life as precious and sacred. There’s no common ground here. And these are the people we’re going to put in charge of life and death health care decisions?

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Sterilizing imbeciles? Why not? I’m all for believers in eugenics sterilizing themselves. So what’s the problem here?

Seriously, best lines above:

There really are two kinds of people: those who see human beings as “maggots,” “imbeciles,” and “monsters” and those who see human life as precious and sacred.

I agree, and it shows up in the debates about abortion, so-called “global warming,” etc.

Daggett on July 15, 2009 at 9:02 AM

This article is deserving of front page exposure.

Liberalism exposed is very ugly indeed.

Good work Pundette…

Keemo on July 15, 2009 at 9:19 AM

“Three generations of imbeciles are enough”.

Oliver Wendell Holmes, Buck v. Bell, 274 U.S. 200 (1927).

Virginia had a compulsory sterilization law for the mentally retarded. Carrie Buck got pregnant when she was raped by a cousin. She supposedly had the mental age of nine, but being “feeble-minded” was an excuse some families used to explain away an embaressing illegitimate pregnancy. Carrie’s mother was allegedly retarded, too, as supposedly was Carrie’s daughter.

Both Carrie and her daughter were sterilized pursuant this law. Her daughter died at the age of eight(!). None of them probably were probably not mentally retarded by modern standards, as “feeble-minded” was a pretty broad category back then. The VA law was repealed in 1974.

Holmes’ fuller comment:

We have seen more than once that the public welfare may call upon the best citizens for their lives. It would be strange if it could not call upon those who already sap the strength of the State for these lesser sacrifices, often not felt to be such by those concerned, in order to prevent our being swamped with incompetence. It is better for all the world, if instead of waiting to execute degenerate offspring for crime, or to let them starve for their imbecility, society can prevent those who are manifestly unfit from continuing their kind. The principle that sustains compulsory vaccination is broad enough to cover cutting the Fallopian tubes.

One wonders if a Twenty-First Century Holmes would ask the “imbeciles” to “sacrifice” one kidney for the greater good and to compensate for all the money society spends to care for them.

Wethal on July 15, 2009 at 9:19 AM

This article is deserving of front page exposure.

Liberalism exposed is very ugly indeed.

Good work Pundette…

Keemo on July 15, 2009 at 9:19 AM

Indeed. Ed, Allah, front of the line, please.

Abby Adams on July 15, 2009 at 9:28 AM

Yup, there’s the surface content of liberalism, the public slogans: “let’s return science to it’s rightful place!” — and there’s the latent content, the unartful articulations of the surface content, sanitized by history: “we will solve our budget deficit by denying cancer treatment to human beings over age 65, because this is the most rational solution”.

Evil by its very nature is deception.

jeff_from_mpls on July 15, 2009 at 9:31 AM

One small caution — in the days of Holmes, the words “idiot” “imbecile” “moron” etc. were technical scientific terms in intelligence testing. Those words didn’t carry the connotations they have today, so unfortunately we have to give them a pass for those particular offenses.

But President Obama’s hand picked man and his description of human beings as “maggots” — there is no ambiguity there, no charitable explanation. It’s just evil.

jeff_from_mpls on July 15, 2009 at 9:36 AM

jeff_from_mpls on July 15, 2009 at 9:36 A

Very true. As each term became derogatory, it was dropped. “Mentally retarded” was the polite term for many years, but then “retard” became a perjorative, and political correctness kicked in. Now it’s either “mentally handicapped” or “mentally challenged”?

Wethal on July 15, 2009 at 9:47 AM

Well, sometimes nature kicks in and does it all by itself. See Barney Frank…

tgibson1962 on July 15, 2009 at 10:23 AM

That’s the kind of reporting that could save newspapers. Thanks Pundette and HA.

One small caution — in the days of Holmes, the words “idiot” “imbecile” “moron” etc. were technical scientific terms in intelligence testing. Those words didn’t carry the connotations they have today, so unfortunately we have to give them a pass for those particular offenses.
jeff_from_mpls on July 15, 2009 at 9:36 AM

Darn, that kills any chance of applying it to the ruling class. ;-)

Feedie on July 15, 2009 at 11:28 AM

The remainder of Justice Ginsburg’s remarks:

So that Roe was going to be then set up for Medicaid funding for abortion. Which some people felt would risk coercing women into having abortions when they didn’t really want them. But when the court decided McRae, the case came out the other way. And then I realized that my perception of it had been altogether wrong. (emphasis mine)

That should settle the question. Ginsburg makes it very clear if you read the entire interview that she strongly supports reproductive rights — meaning both the right to terminate and to carry to term a pregnancy. She even litigated a case 2 years before Roe defending the latter. She does not suppport abortion as an economic policy, she supports it as a fundamental right. She was describing her perception of part of the reasoning behind Roe (reasoning which she had criticized in responding to the previous question, incidentally).

Is she one of the “we” she speaks of?

Was she one of the ‘we’ she speaks of. Probably not. Even if you want to assume the worst possible interpretation of her remarks, however, she repented nearly 30 years ago, after the Harris v. McRae decision in 1980. In her words, “she realized that her perception had been altogether wrong.”

RightOFLeft on July 15, 2009 at 12:02 PM

Sterilizing imbeciles (using the modern understanding of the word) would be fine with me — so long as we get to start with the Obama administration.

AZCoyote on July 15, 2009 at 3:32 PM


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