In the case of David Letterman I stated “let the free market decide” let people vote with their remotes. (I already don’t watch Letterman so he can’t lose me as a viewer) Then came the call for a boycotts of his sponsors, and I did have to think about this one. Do I want to support companys, that are totally deaf to the people who buy their products…that one is more difficult. Lucky for me I went through the list of Letterman’s sponsors. I am not using those products anyway but someone is, and now Olive Garden pulled their adds, and so did Embassy Suites. Will the Networks finally get the message to stop insulting their audience? Remember the TEA PARTY coverage? Remember how Governor Sarah Palin was treated by the Media during the campaign? Maybe this will get their attention when nothing else does, loss of revenue dollars. The link below updates the current status of those demanding David Letterman be fired.

http://firedavidletterman.com/

I am saying Crowder knows betters and chooses to ?Believe? Letterman. What some people are not picking up on is that this is bigger than partisan politics. When Letterman took a whack at Gov Palin he managed to hit a lot of average Americans in the processes. Does he get it? In his last apology he told his audience it wasn’t their fault they misunderstood the joke that it was flawed…nope that isn’t what happened. He stepped in it, and now he is getting it from all directions, not just from Republicans, not just from Conservative Republicans. I think perhaps people like Crowder are looking through the political prism and more is going on. Crowder is also a comedian he isn’t going to hold another comedian to the same standard as non comedians…and a PUMA Cinie even explains why:

What, you thought I was going for the Palin vs. Letterman ten rounder, or the Don’t Ask, I Won’t Tell You No wink and weenie wank domestic partner benefit memorandum that doesn’t exclude gays thing? Pish tosh. For one thing Palin’s gotten all the apology she’s gonna get, the fact that she got one at all is a victory for women, especially PUMAs, in and of itself. There’s not a lot of meat left on that bone, especially if you know like I do that comedians are hard-wired never to apologize for any joke, at any time, to anybody. It de-legitimizes everything they say from that point on. “**** ‘em if they can’t take a joke” is tattooed on the twisted brain of every comic, genius or otherwise, that ever took mike in hand and had the balls or eggs to stand naked and vulnerable in front of strangers for laughs.

http://cinie.wordpress.com/2009/06/18/obamboozlogandizing-astroturf-101/

Letterman was under the impression that Bristol Palin (the older daughter) had been taken to the ball game and Letterman made a joke about her getting “knocked up by Alex Rodriguez.”

In short, he bought Letterman’s tardy and weak excuse that he meant to call Bristol a slut instead of Willow. And follows up with the offensive notion that since Bristol has had an out of wedlock child, she’s fair game. I disagree with him on all counts, but he’s not making light of any sort of rape.

I believe Crowder is being self serving. There is no other reason to tell Women of all political ideology, that they shouldn’t get angry about the Statutory Rape Joke in the first place.

I am an Independent if Republican Men think it is such a little thing to make a ?joke? like this about a child. I am pretty happy I am an Independent.

21% Identify Liberal
38% Moderate
40% Conservative

Let’s see N.O.W. would be considered Liberal, PUMAS Moderate and a lot of Conservatives, me included voted for Palin. So no it’s not just a Republican Thing. I don’t need any Man telling me how I should accept anything. That’s my business.

Crowder is a Conservative Comedian, that has a right to an opinion, and he can speak for himself. BUT it stops right there (Remember Individuals – Conservatives are always championing Individual Rights) Not Crowder or anyone else get’s to tell me how to respond to anything.

Yes I believe Crowder is self serving, and he is thinking only of the politics of the issue. This is more than just politics. This is a Social Issue that involves women and children, and how they are treated in this country. If I want to be told what to accept and react to a man making ugly comments about little girls in the media “Letterman”. I will move to the middle east, where women are told how to behave and speak, where women are lucky if they are even considered second class people.

Letterman didn’t just insult Republican women, he angered PEOPLE from every political ideology That includes Fathers, Uncles,Grandfathers, Brothers…

CBS Poll last time I checked. Who Accepts Letterman’s apology.

28% Yes
72% NO

Hmmmmm I am getting the impression more people agree with me than Crowder.

Nothing from the rest of the listed advertisers.

I still say he doesn’t realize he did anything wrong, Dennis Miller even said that he should have realized how bad it was in rehearsal and pulled it.

eforhan on June 17, 2009 at 10:10 AM

Crowder kissing up to Letterman? Letterman has a talk show that showcases comedians go figure, they are all singing the same tune…that didn’t happen with Imus, in fact the only person -comedian in his case, that took any stand was D.L.Hughley.

I guess Crowder goes down in the self serving column.

28% yes

72% no

http://wcbstv.com/entertainment/david.letterman.protest.2.1047451.html

David Letterman’s so called joke was about Statutory Rape….that is indefensible so he changed it to the older daughter, and you all are willing to buy whatever he is selling GO AHEAD. Is Statutory Rape EVIL? I guess if your a man you can describe his so called joke as something else.

He is going to get hurt by this he is going to lose sponsors, I doubt he will be fired. Does it make any difference to me. NOPE. I don’t watch him now, and for sure will not watch him in the future. Will I boycott his sponsors, I sure am leaning in that direction.

Let’s see Hillbuzz has the list.

Well imagine a Troll, who would have guessed that one…SARC!

Which was made before he gave her an apology worth accepting.

We disagree here.

Unless you think she’s not up to it. Unless you think she hasn’t learned anything from the last 10 months.

She’s definitely learned quite a bit since the campaign. New publicist? I’m not certain she’s up to taking on Letterman, though. She has a real job working as state governor. He makes a living mocking people. I, for one, would prefer to see her slowly gain support from previous scoffers. Slow and steady. She has a chance here for a political do-over. Obama’s spending should help long-term.

Perhaps we should agree to disagree?

And accepting an apology which, yes, contained some self serving and pride-protecting elements, but which WAS an apology, is simply the right thing to do.

Hmmmm…. Letterman gets viewers, a bit of credibility back, a chance to put her gently back into her place as a buffoon.

As I’ve tried to explain, it is in his best interest right now not to paint her as a buffoon, and in fact to treat her with kid gloves.

Palin gets… what?

Nope. I’m glad she declined the invite.

ROCnPhilly on June 16, 2009 at 7:49 PM

Which was made before he gave her an apology worth accepting. I think she could use his platform to promote her issues and show that she’s a good sport, at a time when he’s pretty much at her mercy.

Unless you think she’s not up to it. Unless you think she hasn’t learned anything from the last 10 months.

Katie Couric never called Palin’s daughter a whore. I think Palin is in a slightly better bargaining position here.

Hmmmm…. Letterman gets viewers, a bit of credibility back, a chance to put her gently back into her place as a buffoon. Palin gets… what?

Nope. I’m glad she declined the invite.

If this had come out last week, then, yeah, it would have been acceptable. But now it’s too little, too late.

But I could accept it as a truce–provided that Letterman stops telling those jokes.

This is barely similar to when Rush Limbaugh called Chelsea Clinton the “white house dog.” That was a one-off, and Rush apologized. Here, we have an ongoing campaign to degrade the Palin family by repeating the same nasty jokes over and over.

Did Katie Couric lose CBS any sponsors?

ROCnPhilly on June 16, 2009 at 6:53 PM

Katie Couric never called Palin’s daughter a whore. I think Palin is in a slightly better bargaining position here.

And lose more sponsors?

Jim Treacher on June 16, 2009 at 6:19 PM

I don’t beleive he would be stupid enough to call her or her daughter “slutty” again. But ridicule need not be so overt. Did Katie Couric lose CBS any sponsors?

Letterman has made a career out of ridiculing others. He would have his biggest audience in years were Palin to appear. He would NEVER be able to pass at a chance to do a “Katie” on her.

ROCnPhilly on June 16, 2009 at 5:24 PM

And lose more sponsors?

Fine. Clearly, he is not apologetic, judging his intent. He claims responsibility for having told the joke wrong, or because his nasty little NY queer writers didn’t get the research right, or some such. He isn’t sorry that he said a nasty thing, only that you stupid people misunderstood his intent, which was to call Bristol Palin a slut who would happily engage in sex with a strange man in public.

Further, his intent was also very clearly to insult Sarah Palin and her daugthers as sluts.

You are goofing againg, don’t you? I mean I refuse to believe that after you repeatedly made a specific point that NT commands that we forgive those who ask for it, made this in a reply to and about people saying that they won’t forgive Lettermen and then proceeded to question whether these people are such a devout Christians, after all that you can say with a straight face that you don’t even claim that Letterman asked to be forgived. Thus you don’t claim that NT commands we forgive Letterman. Then what the heck do you claim(or ask)? You’re trully a bizarro.

Oh and by the way, Bizzaro, did Letterman really asked to be forgived (like you know “Forgive me”, “I hope you will forgive me” etc)? The stuff like “I appologize” doesn’t count and is not anything near in force than actually asking for forgiveness. The vid is no longer available and I can’t watch it but my money is that no request for forgiveness has been done and thus your point is just another stupidity.

Alexey on June 16, 2009 at 4:50 PM

Not only are you not a good debater, your reading comprehension skills aren’t so polished, either. Since I never mentioned anything about Letterman asking for forgiveness, why are you talking as though I did?

Stop trying so hard to find something to fight with me over – it’s making you look really, really petty…

posted at 8:50 am on June 16, 2009 by Jim Treacher

I appreciate an optimistic outlook, but I disagree with you on a few points.

“I didn’t mean it the way it came out, but the results are still my fault.”

The proper reponse then, is, “How did you mean it, Dave? You’ve had a week to polish the joke. Let’s hear it the way it was meant to be heard. Show me how an 18-year-old having forced sex in the stadium during a game is not just inoffensive, but funny, Dave.”

She was right to call him out on his phony apology, and she’s right to accept his real one.

No, the second apology was not real. It was half apology, half excuse. Palin accepted it because she’s a better person than he his. She’s also kinder, letting this sordid affair die rather than hurting her family more by dragging it out, waiting for a never-gonna-happen real apology.

Now maybe she can accept his invitation and take her message to Letterman’s audience. Maybe if he meets her face-to-face, he’ll realize she and her family are actual human beings and not just props in his game of Bash the Evil Conservatives to Keep Up with Stewart and Colbert. Heck, he might even listen to what she has to say. He might realize she has something to say.

You, sir, are living in a dream world. Letterman has made a career out of ridiculing others. He would have his biggest audience in years were Palin to appear. He would NEVER be able to pass at a chance to do a “Katie” on her.

Bizarro No. 1 on June 16, 2009 at 4:33 PM

Well, ain’t that something.

You’re a lefty troll (or at least acting like one) because of dumb self-righteous goofing on someone elses Christian beliefs.

Um, FYI genius, I didn’t goof on Dr. Evil’s beliefs – if you’ll bother to look back at what I actually did say, I commented on her unloving behavior, and I asked her what kind of Christian she was if she doesn’t follow Jesus’ own requirements about forgiveness. If merely asking someone a question like that is preachy or somehow self-righteous, explain how…

Also I’m not a Christian and I don’t care about “redemption” as a Christian concept. I know that sometimes (not too often as ) people who don’t give a crap about decency, compassion, morals etc (not that they don’t talk about that, they do, oh boy they do) change. It’s a deep and lifechanging thing and to some extent I’m one of such people. However to regard a usual “I’m sorry” made under pressure and a few days after offence as something akin to that – it’s imho not that smart to put it mildly.

Alexey on June 16, 2009 at 4:39 PM

It’s nice to know these thoughts of yours, dear! Thanks for sharing them!!!

I’m against the boycott and demand for his firing, but in no way does Letterman deserve to be forgiven.

Actually, that isn’t your call: it’s Palin’s. And she has made it. If you want more, that’s your right. However, you have no right to presume whether or not an apology is sufficient. That right belongs to the aggrieved which, unless you’re Sarah Palin’s clone, isn’t you.

I am a “lefty troll” simply because I believe Dave isn’t as bad and unredeemable of a person as you believe he is? You are not a good debater, sorry to break it to you…

You’re a lefty troll (or at least acting like one) because of dumb self-righteous goofing on someone elses Christian beliefs.

Also I’m not a Christian and I don’t care about “redemption” as a Christian concept. I know that sometimes (not too often as ) people who don’t give a crap about decency, compassion, morals etc (not that they don’t talk about that, they do, oh boy they do) change. It’s a deep and lifechanging thing and to some extent I’m one of such people. However to regard a usual “I’m sorry” made under pressure and a few days after offence as something akin to that – it’s imho not that smart to put it mildly.

Could you repeat the question?

Jim Treacher on June 16, 2009 at 4:23 PM

Are you wise/smart enough to understand the following?

I expect better, more serious responses from you to points such as the one I made to you, but you reacted about as poorly to my point as I expected you to. Can you dig that, Jim?

Bizarro No. 1 on June 16, 2009 at 4:17 PM

Could you repeat the question?

Dr. Evil’s position is simply that of common sense. Yours is that of retarded lefty troll. That’s just how it is.

Alexey on June 16, 2009 at 4:20 PM

LOL

I am a “lefty troll” simply because I believe Dave isn’t as bad and unredeemable of a person as you believe he is? You are not a good debater, sorry to break it to you…

Are you in Dave’s heart? Do you know for a fact beyond mere belief that Dave’s heart was, is, and will forever be black and unredeemed?

Call it whatever you want. A rape joke has been made which is typical for lowlifes (i.e. for someone who don’t take such things as raping a girl seriously). Such stuff happens everyday million of times. On the other hand while it’s possible that someone who does take these things seriously would make such comment it is highly unlikely (It never occured in my experience). Any person with an ounce of common sense knows that 1) conscience is not such a thing that would pop up all of a sudden 2) to appologize for whatever reason without actualy feeling remorse is a very common thing especially when you have an obvious interest in doing so (like Letterman). Dr. Evil’s position is simply that of common sense. Yours is that of retarded lefty troll. That’s just how it is.