Who Mines The Dilithium?

posted at 1:07 am on May 15, 2009 by

One of my favorite little moments in the very entertaining new “Star Trek” movie comes when the young James T. Kirk activates the computer system of a car he swiped for a joyride, and the Nokia logo comes up. It’s nice to see Nokia’s still in business in the twenty-third century. Such simple touches help to humanize the Star Trek universe, which had drifted a bit too far from recognizable human experience for audiences to fully engage with its characters. The presence of a good old-fashioned corporate logo in the new movie put me in mind of a long-ago, free-wheeling, beer-fueled rant after I saw a previous “Star Trek” movie with some friends, and we asked ourselves, “Who mines the dilithium?”

In the 1996 film “Star Trek: First Contact,” there is a scene in which a woman from our near future asks time-traveling twenty-fourth century Captain Jean-Luc Picard how much the Enterprise cost to build. Picard replies that money doesn’t exist in his enlightened future era. “The acquisition of wealth is no longer the driving force in our lives,” he assures her. “We work to better ourselves, and the rest of humanity.”

Gee, that sounds swell, doesn’t it? How did the Federation outgrow capitalism? Well, they have a technology called “replicators,” which allows them to manufacture almost any form of matter out of energy. This might not seem like a very useful technology, since if I remember my high school physics correctly, it would take the power of a thousand exploding suns to create enough matter for a decent New York strip steak and a side order of mashed potatoes, but not to worry – they also have virtually unlimited energy in the future, thanks to a crystal called “dilithium.” So, in the twenty-fourth century, they have vast amounts of cheap energy, and they can create matter with it, so nobody needs money, because all material desires are easily fulfilled.

Where does dilithium come from? You mine it from extremely unpleasant planets, where the miners live stoic lives of terrible loneliness and physical hardship, as seen in the 1960s Star Trek TV episode “Mudd’s Women.” The miners’ lives are so wretched, they’re willing to contract with a con artist to bring them mail-order brides. It would seem the mining process cannot be fully automated, since the technology of Captain Kirk’s day was sufficiently advanced to have done so, if it were possible. (Of course, until the character of Lt. Data was introduced in the “Next Generation” series, the Star Trek guys seemed very squeamish about building self-aware machines – and with good reason, since they always turned into planet-destroying psychotic monsters.) So: who’s working in those dilithium mines? Is the Federation lucky enough to have an adequate number of people who find self-fulfillment by volunteering to work in dingy hell-holes, digging up those precious crystals? Those guys aren’t prisoners being forced to work off their sentences, are they? That didn’t seem to be the case in the TV episode.

More evidence of the absurdity of the twenty-fourth century’s flimsy Utopia is easy to find. In the series “Deep Space Nine”, Captain Sisko’s father was an expert chef who ran a restaurant in New Orleans. He might indeed have been cooking because he enjoyed it and found it fulfilling, but what about the people waiting tables in his restaurant? Is that your fate if you score poorly on the benevolent Federation’s aptitude tests? A “D” grade leaves you slinging crawdaddies in Sisko’s restaurant, while an “F” means it’s off to the dilithium mines? That doesn’t sound like a society to brag about. And what happens if you refuse to accept the menial job assigned to you by the Federation, when they determined you’re a moron? Do they force you to work at gunpoint? Or is the future Earth filled with layabouts who just watch holographic game shows and replicate Hot Pockets all day? If so, perhaps they were too quick to repel the Borg invasion in “First Contact” – it would have been their best chance of reaching Bush-era unemployment lows. The Borg are always hiring.

There’s an even deeper flaw in the Star Trek utopia, revealed by contemplating Sisko’s restaurant: Who gets to eat there? The elder Sisko is supposed to be one of the best chefs around. How do you get a table at his restaurant? Is there a four-hundred-year waiting list, the way “free” medicine is rationed in socialist countries? All the free matter and energy in the universe can’t change the fact there’s only one Sisko Senior, and he’s only got two hands to cook with. What about works of art? Certainly they can be copied easily enough, but what if somebody wants an original? All of the “Star Trek” shows had literary pretensions, especially regarding Shakespeare. How are theater seats doled out, when the greatest actors of the twenty-fourth century stage a production of “Hamlet?” If I get sick, I’d sure like to have a doctor as dedicated as Doctor McCoy. How are the services of the top doctors assigned? Are they exclusively assigned to take care of high-ranking military officers and Federation politicians? I’ll bet that would be a feature of the twenty-fourth century that Captain Picard wouldn’t employ to advertise how advanced and enlightened it is.

“Star Trek” is famous for its wonderful transporter technology, which lets people teleport instantly with planetary range. You could have breakfast in France, pop over to Alaska for a moose hunt, and be in Australia in time for dinner. Who gets to do that? How is the limited amount of transporter capacity distributed between the populace? There might be a lot of transporters, but there certainly aren’t enough to allow billions of terrestrial citizens to zip around the globe at will. For that matter, who gets to ride around in starships, besides the military officers that crew the Starfleet vessels? The “Next Generation” crew were forever talking about a wonderful pleasure planet they loved to visit on vacations. Can the people waiting tables in Sisko’s restaurant go there for a holiday?

It’s interesting to note how quickly the futuristic utopia Captain Picard described to the woman in “First Contact” falls apart when you stop to think about the lives of the ordinary citizens – the people who don’t get to boldly go on adventures in starships. Magical technologies that provide limitless resources do nothing to resolve the eternal shortage of the human resource. The kind of thinking that leads socialists to believe they can create perfect national medical systems, welfare programs, or government-controlled financial institutions doesn’t even work if you have dilithium crystals to back it up… because somebody has to mine the dilithium, and somebody has to do something meaningful and valuable with all that cheap matter and energy.

Freedom, industry, and capitalism will always be the most ethical and efficient way to allocate those precious human resources. The new “Star Trek” film might have a lot of plot holes, but they’ve also got Nokia, which means they’re living in a world that bears some resemblance to the real one.

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How do they handle property? Sisko’s dad’s restaurant? Jean Luc’s family acres and acres of vineyards?

As for Firefly: Who cleans the hospitals on Ariel? Or takes care of the sewers?

eforhan on May 15, 2009 at 12:38 PM

Doctor Zero on May 15, 2009 at 12:34 PM

When I saw the ending, I couldn’t help but think “B-Ark”

it was asinine how it wrapped up.

DaveC on May 15, 2009 at 12:39 PM

gwelf on May 15, 2009 at 12:35 PM

They were horrified he might be thrown off the top of the Tower of Commerce, LOL.

Feedie on May 15, 2009 at 12:41 PM

To address the question of who mines the dilithium, it was established in “Star Trek VI” that the Klingons used prisoners to extract dilithium ore.

Read. The. Freaking. Post.

“Where does dilithium come from? You mine it from extremely unpleasant planets, where the miners live stoic lives of terrible loneliness and physical hardship, as seen in the 1960s Star Trek TV episode “Mudd’s Women.” The miners’ lives are so wretched, they’re willing to contract with a con artist to bring them mail-order brides.”

Tomblvd on May 15, 2009 at 12:42 PM

There’s no incentives to do anything.

Yeah, my ass is going out and pushing some buttons for 8 hours. I definitely don’t want to be in the holodeck nailing the 32 boobied green hologram babe all day.

lorien1973 on May 15, 2009 at 12:16 PM

My trek-inclined friends actually cite this as a reason why the world will improve – people who just want to indulge themselves all the time will do so, leaving the only people who reproduce those who chose to have children. Still not clear how that will necessarily improve the gene pool. Unless, of course, we’re hard coding people to be super-awesome … Brave New World!

TheUnrepentantGeek on May 15, 2009 at 12:43 PM

How many socialists really got their ideas for achieving their goals in their lifetime by watching Star Trek?

That’s not the point at all.

You’d be surprised how many kids and college kids, when they think about socialism/etal, they say “worked fine in star trek” or something equally ridiculous. Soft acceptance of the premise is important. The show and the ideas are all over the place.

Think about Spock saying “the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few or the one” – and think about how many people recite that without understanding what he’s saying here?

lorien1973 on May 15, 2009 at 12:43 PM

Your going to make some liberals cry with this column.

Graystoke on May 15, 2009 at 12:45 PM

Dr. 0, I have resigned myself to the fact that we will get some form of socialized healthcare under Obama and the democratic congress. Having resigned myself to this, I still don’t like it and I will fight it, by joining it. Since I know it is inevitable, I am demanding a healthcare system for myself and every other citizen of my country that is exactly like in every respect, the healthcare that our President and the U.S. congress receive. I expect nothing less. I want everyone else’s expectation to be the same. If we are going to have this thing forced upon us without choice, it should at least be the gold standard, and our President and congress should fully realize our collective expectations regarding what we as citizens demand, before the 1st debate or the first word of the bill is penned.

paulsur on May 15, 2009 at 12:46 PM

I just rewatched First Contact last night! I loved next gen but what a preachy holier than thou show that was. In that movie, Data also hits us over the head with the irony that the ship Zephran Cochrane used to make the first warp-speed flight used to be a nuclear missile silo.

Did like the way the Alfree Woodard character calls bullsh*t on Picards self-righteousness. :)

Loved the new Star Trek Movie. Tons of action and fun, with enough shoutouts to those of us with lifelong affection for Star trek to make me both smile and tear up at the same time.

debi118 on May 15, 2009 at 12:46 PM

What? None of your trek friends own a batleth? =)

gwelf on May 15, 2009 at 12:25 PM

Oh crap. They do.

I’m reevaluating the wisdom of this proposition…

TheUnrepentantGeek on May 15, 2009 at 12:47 PM

I seem to recall in the fourth movie (the whale one) that when they landed on 20th century Earth Kirk said something like “Damn, they’re still using money!” He then has to sell his eyeglasses for bus fare or something.

I’ve always looked at it as a shorthand device to say the 24th century has transcended 20th century economics, like the 20th century transcended 16th century economics. Any economic system in the 24th century is likely to be unfamiliar to us, and it’s easier to just write it off in a sci-fi story than try to come up with something believable.

JohnTant on May 15, 2009 at 12:47 PM

Ronald D. Moore commented: “By the time I joined TNG, Gene had decreed that money most emphatically did NOT exist in the Federation, nor did ‘credits’ and that was that. Personally, I’ve always felt this was a bunch of hooey, but it was one of the rules and that’s that.”

And thus, the culprit is known.
Interesting how Earth: Final Conflict had the alien-heralded utopia as a facade for a sinister plot.

Count to 10 on May 15, 2009 at 12:48 PM

My trek-inclined friends actually cite this as a reason why the world will improve – people who just want to indulge themselves all the time will do so, leaving the only people who reproduce those who chose to have children. Still not clear how that will necessarily improve the gene pool. Unless, of course, we’re hard coding people to be super-awesome … Brave New World!

TheUnrepentantGeek on May 15, 2009 at 12:43 PM

I wonder how many people in modern day would still go to work if they were told: “You can play World of Warcraft all day long and we’ll pay for your food, car and your mortgate”?

Also, why aren’t there any fat people in the Star Trek future (or rarely)? Food is free and plentiful – you can get any sort of food you want and any amount of it you want.

I’m a big Star Trek fan but it does ignore many aspects of human nature.

gwelf on May 15, 2009 at 12:49 PM

“You can play World of Warcraft all day long and we’ll pay for your food, car and your mortgate”?

Do you know how long it takes to get a guy to level 80, while having a job?

It’s brutal. I demand justice!

lorien1973 on May 15, 2009 at 12:51 PM

I wonder how many people in modern day would still go to work if they were told: “You can play World of Warcraft all day long and we’ll pay for your food, car and your mortgate”?

gwelf on May 15, 2009 at 12:49 PM

I hope nobody from Obama’s re-election campaign is reading this thread.

Doctor Zero on May 15, 2009 at 12:52 PM

Dilithium is mined by Indians and Chinese. They are over one third of humanity but they certainly aren´t one third of the humans you see in Star Trek. I guess they must populate the mines. And sweatshops. They also produce all cheap plastic toys, clothes and gadgets so replicators are free to produce fine meals and parts for warp coils.

el gordo on May 15, 2009 at 12:52 PM

What, in 400 years, no one has had an original thought or idea? To me, that’s just astounding.

lorien1973 on May 15, 2009 at 12:18 PM

It’s the one correct prediction of a socialist Utopia.

TexasDan on May 15, 2009 at 12:53 PM

gwelf on May 15, 2009 at 12:49 PM

Supposedly it’s all perfectly balanced nutrition. Like … perfect taste, no fat. Just like the booze has no actual alcohol (except the good stuff they keep from behind the counter.)

TheUnrepentantGeek on May 15, 2009 at 12:54 PM

I hope nobody from Obama’s re-election campaign is reading this thread.

Doctor Zero on May 15, 2009 at 12:52 PM

SECOND LOOK AT OBAMA.

TheUnrepentantGeek on May 15, 2009 at 12:55 PM

Well, they have a technology called “replicators,”

No,No,No, You don’t want to have replicators, they reproduce themselves and take over the world!

Oh wait a minute, that’s SG-1 territory – in which case the question would be ‘who mines the naquadah’

RustyFeedramps on May 15, 2009 at 12:56 PM

Do you know how long it takes to get a guy to level 80, while having a job?

It’s brutal. I demand justice!

lorien1973 on May 15, 2009 at 12:51 PM

Vote for Obama in 2012 and you can get a job playing WoW. This is Obama’s secret plan to increase employment dramatically.

gwelf on May 15, 2009 at 12:57 PM

Supposedly it’s all perfectly balanced nutrition. Like … perfect taste, no fat. Just like the booze has no actual alcohol (except the good stuff they keep from behind the counter.)

TheUnrepentantGeek on May 15, 2009 at 12:54 PM

Well I’m convinced – I’d sell my soul for one of these replicators – bring on even more socialism!

gwelf on May 15, 2009 at 12:59 PM

lorien1973 on May 15, 2009 at 12:43 PM

Me, I always associate that expression with heroism in battle, not utopia. I guess I would be surprised at how many socialists would say, “It worked fine in Star Trek,” since no one I know is dumb enough to make that argument….

calbear on May 15, 2009 at 1:03 PM

Vote for Obama in 2012 and you can get a job playing WoW. This is Obama’s secret plan to increase employment dramatically.

gwelf on May 15, 2009 at 12:57 PM

The priest’s union requires a 15 minute break between healing sessions. Buffing requires a form filed in triplicate.

Don’t even start me on the rogue’s union.

TheUnrepentantGeek on May 15, 2009 at 1:04 PM

Finally! A Trek-Nerd who is constructively putting his Star Trek trivia knowledge to capitalist philosophical use. Well done, Doctor.

Jaibones on May 15, 2009 at 1:06 PM

This is an amazing blog post. Great job.

Patrick on May 15, 2009 at 1:07 PM

They import illegal immigrants from Planet Mexico?

skatz51 on May 15, 2009 at 1:10 PM

There’s an even deeper flaw in the Star Trek utopia, revealed by contemplating Sisko’s restaurant: Who gets to eat there?

The people with the most Whuffies!

DelD on May 15, 2009 at 1:11 PM

The priest’s union requires a 15 minute break between healing sessions. Buffing requires a form filed in triplicate.

Don’t even start me on the rogue’s union.

TheUnrepentantGeek on May 15, 2009 at 1:04 PM

There’s also a 3 month waiting list to get into a raid.

gwelf on May 15, 2009 at 1:14 PM

\Delta X = \sqrt{\langle(X – \langle X\rangle)^2\rangle} \,

\Delta P = \sqrt{\langle(P – \langle P \rangle)^2\rangle} \,
\Delta X \Delta P \ge {\hbar \over 2}.

[X,P] = X P – P X = i \hbar \,

I_x = – \int |\psi(x)|^2 \log_2 |\psi(x)|^2 \,dx

The Heisenberg uncertainty principle.

My Utopia is that hour a day watching reruns of Star Trek (any series) along with pretzels and beer.

Kini on May 15, 2009 at 1:18 PM

I remember playing a Star Trek text adventure on my computer in the 80′s (either the Atari or the Commodore) and the biography of Pavel Checkov described him as having been born in the Soviet Union. It always bothered me that they assumed the USSR would last into the 23rd C.

That being said, it appears the Federation has achieved the New Soviet Man and eliminated scarcity, even though scarcity cannot be eliminated.

Star Wars suffers from a similar problem. The series is actually about Anakin Skywalker’s attempts to save the galaxy from a relativistic, hypocritical, New Age theocracy…but the producers portray that as a bad thing.

Nosferightu on May 15, 2009 at 1:18 PM

I wonder what the real impact of replicators would be on economics. Granted, matter-from-energy would be absolutely stupid (90,000,000,000,000,000 joules per kilogram is more than a little unwieldy), and it would still be far to energy intensive to produce the atomic nuclei from raw baryons, but the power necessary to build material from supplies of the constituent elements might be reasonable.

The big inputs would then be usable energy and elements of various types. Plastics would be ubiquitous, recyclable, and cheep, but items with more exotic material requirements (say, gold wiring or titanium structure) would be relatively pricey. Diamonds would finally have their rightful place as the equivalent of glass jewelery. Food prep would become an art for computer programmers (online recipes!), with actual cooking being more of a preforming art, like theater.
Every job will be some level of programming or systems operation. Even mining will be done by using replicators to reconfigure rock to get at the ore and process it. Likely, machines will become too complicated for humans to do maintenance on directly, and so maintenance jobs will consist of directing automated systems to make repairs.

In all likelihood, a lot of people will be payed to do nothing but bare and raise children.

Count to 10 on May 15, 2009 at 1:21 PM

Count to 10 on May 15, 2009 at 1:21 PM

You’re forgeting the transmogrifying matrix generator which renders such speculation moot.

catmman on May 15, 2009 at 1:23 PM

TheUnrepentantGeek on May 15, 2009 at 1:04 PM

Oh sure. Act all high and mighty cuz they -need- you in a party or raid. While us hunters, who are a dime a dozen, sit there whacking off our pets. :P

lorien1973 on May 15, 2009 at 1:23 PM

TheUnrepentantGeek on May 15, 2009 at 1:04 PM

gwelf on May 15, 2009 at 1:14 PM

Good points, folks. By the way, there is a WoW look-alike on the iPhone these days – called “Kingdoms live”. Easy to get hooked.

Being a big believer in the free market system, I believe these are huge opportunities for techies like me who can write such games. In fact, with some friends, we have started such a company – let’s see if it is even remotely as popular as WoW.

peter_griffin on May 15, 2009 at 1:27 PM

The Heisenberg uncertainty principle.

My Utopia is that hour a day watching reruns of Star Trek (any series) along with pretzels and beer.

Kini on May 15, 2009 at 1:18 PM

Actually, that really isn’t a problem. You don’t have to know exactly where each particle is, or exactly how fast it’s going to get close enough.
However, the amount of relevant information in a human body is still staggering, way out of the ballpark from any machine we have today. Just think of all the DNA strands that have to come out undamaged, not to mention the neuron connections.
You get to the point of having to ask “what does it mean to be alive?”, and whether or not that is you or just a copy that comes out the other side.

Count to 10 on May 15, 2009 at 1:28 PM

peter_griffin on May 15, 2009 at 1:27 PM

Wow is what it is because it has some of the best RTS games to back it up. It has a history with people over 15 years or so now. When warcraft 1 and 2 came out, I mean, those were just blockbuster games.

lorien1973 on May 15, 2009 at 1:29 PM

Star Trek only showed the Elites of the society and I don’t think it ever showed the commoners at all unless you count the few seen of DS9. The socialism of Trek was no different then today’s vision of a utopian society where the commoners work to keep the Elite elite. The problem with all utopias is that everyone that wants it always thinks they will be one of the Elite and generally end up with a rude awakening when they are in fact hauled off to the Dilithium mines.

jmarcure on May 15, 2009 at 1:31 PM

You’re forgeting the transmogrifying matrix generator which renders such speculation moot.

catmman on May 15, 2009 at 1:23 PM

Eh?
What does “transmogrifying” even mean? Sounds like something out of loony tunes.

Count to 10 on May 15, 2009 at 1:32 PM

Aside from the miners in “Mudd’s Women” making beaucoup credits (or whatever type of compensation) off dilithium, don’t forget Chief Vandenberg and the Pergium mine in “Devil In the Dark”, and how excited he is at the end of the show when he mentions all the other minerals and precious metals the miners were finding thanks to the tunnels being dug by the Horta and her babies. Sounded a lot like capitalism to me — though I’m sure sooner or later some 23rd century attorney or community organizer would arrive an attempt to unionize the Hortas (UHW?) due to their exploitation by the mining company.

jon1979 on May 15, 2009 at 1:35 PM

lorien1973 on May 15, 2009 at 1:29 PM

I am not even trying to compete with Wow – it is just too popular. We are trying to target a niche market instead.

Amazing how one’s career can change. I was nowhere near to gaming when I started, in fact, I first began in an industry called EDA (delivering tools for chip design). I am glad we sold the company before the storm hit, but I could never imagine at that point that I would be designing online games. I am getting old (in the tech at least), lol.

peter_griffin on May 15, 2009 at 1:36 PM

I wonder what the real impact of replicators would be on economics. Granted, matter-from-energy would be absolutely stupid (90,000,000,000,000,000 joules per kilogram is more than a little unwieldy), and it would still be far to energy intensive to produce the atomic nuclei from raw baryons, but the power necessary to build material from supplies of the constituent elements might be reasonable.

Count to 10 on May 15, 2009 at 1:21 PM

A long time ago I read that yesterdays lunch was today’s dinner in the Trek universe. In other words they recycled all bio-matter for food and didn’t require sewerage treatment. I assume that they did the same with non-organic materials. I also remember seeing some floor plans of the Enterprise that had raw material storage space.

jmarcure on May 15, 2009 at 1:37 PM

Not exactly. They allow women to wear clothes and take part in commerce (Quarks mom is a brilliant at business). And the Grand Negus makes some Ferengi be more charitable (if I recall correctly) so it definitely has some ‘capitalism is evil and cruel and heartless’ overtones but the Ferengi don’t become socialists.

gwelf on May 15, 2009 at 12:35 PM

To quote Jeffery Combs/Brunt in that same episode
“progressive income tax, wage subsidies for the poor, retirement benefits for the aged, labor rights, health care, rights for females, the outlawing of monopolies, tough environmental regulations”.

Some of those are good but..Wage Subsidies, free health care, and taxing everyone. Sounds like socialism to me!

V-rod on May 15, 2009 at 1:40 PM

I was reading a review of the new movie over at Huffington Post (I know, I’m a glutton for illogical arguments) and one poster was complaining about how there were no gays in Star Trek. At first I thought, well DUH, because it’s only been out and open on TV for the last ten years or so. None of the shows really had a chance to have openly gay characters. To an extent. They had to deal with it in metaphor like that TNG episode where Riker had a fling with a hermaphridite species. Then I realized what it really was… They found the gay gene and fixed it so nobody would have to go through that again. It was bred out of existence…

oddjob1138 on May 15, 2009 at 1:42 PM

You have found the big donut hole in Roddenberry’s vision. This is why the best episodes of “Star Trek” were actually written by Gene L. Coon en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gene_L._Coon, who understood that utopia is impossible. This is also why the first two seasons of “Next Generation” are unwatchable. Roddenberry’s TNG vision was a Federation that let itself be pantsed by a variety of aliens over 48 episodes. The biggest question for two years on that show was: When will Picard grow a pair.

fleiter on May 15, 2009 at 1:45 PM

As for Firefly: Who cleans the hospitals on Ariel? Or takes care of the sewers?

eforhan on May 15, 2009 at 12:38 PM

Browncoats…

elgeneralisimo on May 15, 2009 at 1:45 PM

One thing I find interesting – even if the Federation is some sort of socialist Utopia it requires completely unrealistic technology in order for it to exist.

Another fallacy Trek is based on (at least TNG introduces it) is that humanity reached this Utopia because all of us gave up warring on each other and came together and set aside our differences or somehow peaceably settled them. This was held out as one of the ‘morally superior’ cards by TNG whenever they ran into a civilization that still had internal war.

This makes First Contact just that much more enjoyable when Cochran and time he came from is no where near a match to the idea built into the crews heads of what it must have been like – the legendary hero who was responsible for first contact with the Vulcans (and thus the creation of the Federation) was a alcoholic scientist who had less than noble intentions behind his invention.

gwelf on May 15, 2009 at 1:46 PM

To quote Jeffery Combs/Brunt in that same episode
“progressive income tax, wage subsidies for the poor, retirement benefits for the aged, labor rights, health care, rights for females, the outlawing of monopolies, tough environmental regulations”.

Some of those are good but..Wage Subsidies, free health care, and taxing everyone. Sounds like socialism to me!

V-rod on May 15, 2009 at 1:40 PM

I stand corrected. Though I’d put up with everything on that list as long as the law allowing women to wear clothing was repealed =)

One of my favorite lines from DS9 (the best series IMO) is when a Ferengi on DS9 remarks in disgust, “You clothe your females!?!”.

gwelf on May 15, 2009 at 1:50 PM

Amazing how one’s career can change. I was nowhere near to gaming when I started, in fact, I first began in an industry called EDA (delivering tools for chip design). I am glad we sold the company before the storm hit, but I could never imagine at that point that I would be designing online games. I am getting old (in the tech at least), lol.

peter_griffin on May 15, 2009 at 1:36 PM

Want to link your project? Politics aside I’d love to see it.

At any rate, niche audiences represent an interesting development. Take a look at Eve Online. I tried it … it’s got to be the MOST conservative game ever developed in terms of principles. Everything is market driven. Some fascinating concepts.

Two things kill it though – the skill system, which forces you to wait ages (and pay lots of money) to do anything significant and the combat system, which bores me to tears unless there’s a huge fleet (for which you would have needed to, once again, wait a long time and pay a lot of money). Frankly I think those things will forever limit Eve’s audience, even while it could be so much more.

WoW, by contrast, is so accessible that people complain it’s been too watered down. I remember the old days of Molten Core – WoW was never an Everquest, but dang it had it’s moments in semi-pain gaming.

They’ve moved (and are continuing to move) further away from that, but I think it’s been a significant contributing factor to the game’s success. It’s got history, accessibility, extensibility, and first and foremost – the core mechanic is actively entertaining. It’s a combat game first and everything else second.

Eh … I could rant about that for way too long and it’s heinously OT so I’ll knock it off.

TheUnrepentantGeek on May 15, 2009 at 1:52 PM

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