Do Not Repay This Loan
posted at 7:17 am on April 20, 2009 by Legal Insurrection
The Financial Times reports that banks and other financial institutions which received TARP funds may not be allowed to repay the loans. Yes, that is correct:
Strong banks will be allowed to repay bail-out funds they received from the US government but only if such a move passes a test to determine whether it is in the national economic interest, a senior administration official has told the Financial Times.
“Our general objective is going to be what is good for the system,” the senior official said. “We want the system to have enough capital.”
I understand that there are systemic issues as to liquidity, but I don’t recall any discussion when TARP passed that the government would not allow the loans to be repaid. The original purpose of TARP was to rescue failing financial institutions and stabilize the housing market by using federal funds to buy bad mortgages; and then TARP was changed to provide direct investment into financial institutions in order to stabilize balance sheets and provide liquidity.
According to the Financial Times article, the purpose has morphed yet again, this time into a recession management tool:
The official, meanwhile, said banks that had plenty of capital and had demonstrated an ability to raise fresh capital from the market should in principle be able to repay government funds. But the judgment would be made in the context of the wider economic interest. He said the government had three basic tests. It needed first to “make sure the system is stable”. Second, to not create “incentives for more deleveraging which would deepen the recession”. Third, to make sure the system had enough capital to “provide credit to support the recovery”.
Something is wrong here. This is taxpayer money, to the tune of $246.73 billion, handed out to banks to avoid a banking system collapse. That collapse, if it ever were a real threat, no longer is a threat. If this were a consumer loan, the banks which received the money could cry fraud:
JPMorgan Chase Chief Executive James Dimon said Thursday that his firm is eager to return the $25 billion they’ve received from the government, and will do so as soon as possible.
“We could pay it back tomorrow,” Dimon told reporters Thursday morning. “We’re waiting for guidance from the government.”
The justification for refusing to take the funds back is that the administration wants more lending. But maybe the problem is not a lack of liquidity, but a lack of credit-worthy borrowers. If we force banks to keep the money, the next step will be to require banks to lend the money by lowering credit standards, which is exactly the policy which got us into this problem in the first place. And to the extent the banks want to remove executive compensation restrictions to keep personnel, forcing the banks to keep the money and the restrictions may feel good, but it won’t get banks to lend.
There also is evidence that the government is contributing to the problems. Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac have added a 0.75% surcharge to all condominium loans regardless of the borrower’s credit rating, in addition to other surcharges on other types of properties.
It is one thing for the government to lend money to banks to help the banks survive. It is someting quite different to use the lending to maintain control of the private sector when the specific borrower-bank no longer needs the money. And the greatest irony is that many banks which didn’t want or need TARP money took it at the insistence of the feds, and now they can’t pay it back.
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Of course the government doesn’t want the money back. Then they will know their whole plan was a failure and will not be able to blame the banks anymore. The government needs a scapegoat and the banks are it.
Brat4life on April 20, 2009 at 7:30 AM
its not just a scapegoat the govt. wants, they want to control the banks. and they will continue to control the banks unless these banks can get free.
if there is a new small community bank opening in your area–support it.
kelley in virginia on April 20, 2009 at 8:04 AM
In other words, for the “greater good,” as defined by a socialist president.
Wethal on April 20, 2009 at 8:15 AM
This preposterous.
Perhaps the federal courts are the next logical step in returning the funds? Subpoena Geithner, et al., compel government to explain itself, in a public forum, under oath…a real one, not one of those Congressional hearing thingies, which most will parse their was around.
My bank did not need the funds, and has been trying to return them for a couple months already.
coldwarrior on April 20, 2009 at 8:16 AM
I think some banks (Wells Fargo and TCF, maybe)have already put the money aside in escrow accounts. If more banks did this, and continued to operate with the money off their balance sheets, it would be interesting to see what Turbo Tax Timmy would do.
Paulson was a thug who threatened healthy banks with audits if they didn’t take the money, and who also waved the flag and made it a matter of patriotism if they didn’t. Used the “Chicken Little” “economy is falling fear tactic, too.
Timmy can hardly do this. I hope all the banks escrow the money and tell him to go pound sand.
Wethal on April 20, 2009 at 8:34 AM
Dimon’s managing to make Obama, Geithner, and Rattner look like damn fools. And I imagine the UAW is seething over Dimon’s talking back, rather than forgiving Chrysler’s debt as he was told to do.
Kralizec on April 20, 2009 at 9:51 AM
I believe it is past time for folk and institutions to hit the courts to get the government out of their lives…There is no shortage of illegal acts government has done in the last 6 months that could and should be challenged.
JIMV on April 20, 2009 at 10:16 AM
Yes, I’m no legal expert by any means, but I never would have believed our government could get away with what they’re doing. WTF?
zeebeach on April 20, 2009 at 10:26 AM
Understatement of the century right there. Isn’t there a law that says, if a debtor attempts to repay a debt and is rebuffed, the debt is forgiven? I have a lawyer friend who thinks one (or all) of these banks should drive a Brinks truck with the cash right to the front door of the Treasury, insist it be accepted and see what happens. It would be a nice photo op, too.
califcon on April 20, 2009 at 10:26 AM
If I were running one of the banks I’d get on the phone to the other Bank CEOs ready to re-pay TARP funds and put together an escrow account payable to the Fed when they want the money. Then begin going on every news program stating the government didn’t want to take back tax payer money so the banks have placed the money in an account payable to the Fed when the grown ups take over control of the Treasury, and as of this moment this Administration can no longer dictate how our financial institutions must operate.
smfoushee on April 20, 2009 at 10:27 AM
“national economic interest”
“I’m from the Government , here to .. help.”
the_nile on April 20, 2009 at 10:29 AM
But what about the greater good? Won’t somebody please think of the greater good?!
The government has our ends in mind, who cares about the means?
pifactorial on April 20, 2009 at 10:31 AM
If the banks have the money and want to return it but the government won’t let them, I suggest they, instead, send Geithner a letter thanking the government for opening a savings account and being a new customer. Enclose a passbook, too, so they can keep track of their account and let him know how to he can switch to statement savings and get monthly statement in his email, if he prefers.
Dusty on April 20, 2009 at 10:32 AM
To those banks that received TARP funds:
Keep it in a lock-box. Don’t use it to make loans.
Once Obama is gone, you can pay back the U.S. taxpayers
with interest. Don’t let bad democratic policies force you
to loan (give) that money to non-credit worthy individuals.
Resist & fight, your companies & employees are at stake.
izoneguy on April 20, 2009 at 10:32 AM
All this “we need more lending” talking is annoying. What in your community needs to be built? House. We have enough of those. Strip Malls. As long as 10% occupation rate is the goal, sure, build more. What is going to drag on the economy for years is the lack of need/demand for constructing things; thus, the need for loans.
WashJeff on April 20, 2009 at 10:33 AM
So the SocSec lock box has been created. /sarc
WashJeff on April 20, 2009 at 10:34 AM
I don’t know if there is a federal law about this, but several states have laws that say if a debtor makes a good faith attempt to repay the debt and the creditor refuses the payment, then the debt is absolved.
Vic on April 20, 2009 at 10:34 AM
Dingdingding! We have a winner!
hicsuget on April 20, 2009 at 10:43 AM
This is only part of it. In order to get the best rate, you have to have a 720 or better score. There are price adjustments for lower scores ranging from .50% to 3.00%.
This can take the current rate of 4.75% and raise it well into the mid 6% range, which renders the transaction useless for many.
Additionally, lenders apparently cannot obtain mortgage insurance on these loans. Which means if you had mortgage insurance on the old loan you cannot take advantage of the program.
Furthermore, if you have a second mortgage, the program doesn’t allow for the refinance of that loan with your first mortgage. This means that unless your current second mortgage lender agrees to a subordination to the new mortgage, you too cannot take advantage of the program.
Will this program help some people? Yes. But nowhere near the amount of homeowners this administration would like you to believe.
voiceofreason on April 20, 2009 at 10:45 AM
A loan that does not need to be repaid is a ‘grant’.
That is when the government seeks very little in return for handing funds out (usually to educational projects, but that does vary).
In trying to change the type of funds from loan to grant, the government is breaking its own internal regulations for use and accountability of funds as loans, contract funds and grants all have different requirements, oversight and accountability to them. When government seeks to change the vehicle of funds, the recipient is usually given time to either refuse that or to specify THEIR terms and conditions based on changed government expectations.
That is one of the prime reasons you don’t like to do that: it is a massive change and needs a large amount of paperwork overhead and RFC with respondee response and stipulations. If the government wants to do that it needs to publish it, allow a comment period, get responses and then see what the recipients want to change in response to the government’s change. It would be nice if some adults in the Administration that understood this simple concept.
ajacksonian on April 20, 2009 at 10:46 AM
As with all govt programs, the rules are constantly changing.
I have a moderate bit of experience with this.
Take for instance federal CRP(Conservaton Reserve Program)-this basically pays farmers not to farm highly erodible land.
During emergency forage situations they will open it up for farmers & ranchers to hay.
They used to manage CRP by requiring the landowner the seed & hay it every year, or every other year etc.
Now they just let the stuff sit & accumulate fore starting material for huge prairie fires.
But when they open it up for us to cut for hay, they issue one set of rules at 1st, then a few days later it changes. Then another few days later it changes & so on.
The govt can’t do a damned thing right.
Why are we stupid enough to believe that this is any different?
Badger40 on April 20, 2009 at 10:46 AM
foreFIRE.DUH.
Badger40 on April 20, 2009 at 10:47 AM
USSA – Act One
Government: You racist pigs. Lend money to more minorities.
Banks: Hey we’d love to, but the risk is too great for a large number of minorities. Particlarly those without jobs or assets. They should probably just rent instead.
Government: Rent? You wish to deprive the less fortunate of the American dream? Owning a house is a right!
Banks: If they default on their loans, which they will, we are out of business and they are out on the street.
Government: Sell the bad loans to Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. They will buy anything, we will bail them out if anything happens. Think of how rich you’ll get.
Banks: I could use another Yacht…
*Real estate bubble crashes, assets freeze up*
Government: Excellent. We score political points for giving homes to the less fortunate and now we get to nationalize the entire banking system. Baby steps, baby steps.
Daemonocracy on April 20, 2009 at 10:47 AM
And will the media point out this little tidbit?
I think not.
Badger40 on April 20, 2009 at 10:47 AM
You hit the nail right on the head.
Scary.
Badger40 on April 20, 2009 at 10:48 AM
No problem! The want lending? Fine.
Lend it to me. Then I’ll skip to little ol’ tax-free Monaco, and you boys can write the whole thing off to FDIC…
mojo on April 20, 2009 at 10:56 AM
Given the amount of money involved, would only one truck be enough? Also, you would probably need a small army to guard that much money.
Count to 10 on April 20, 2009 at 10:56 AM
That would be awesome.
Count to 10 on April 20, 2009 at 10:59 AM
Point out that the amount in the savings account is too large to be covered by the expanded FDIC insurance rules. They may want to break it up into quarter-mil chunks spread over many banks.
But then there’s those pesky money laundering regs…
mojo on April 20, 2009 at 11:04 AM
I’m waiting for the headline from the twilight zone:
“Banks sue to force the government to take money”
Sackett on April 20, 2009 at 11:06 AM
That goes so well with the plan to convert the prefered stock that the Treasury got as part of TARP to common stock.
It’s all about control.
steveegg on April 20, 2009 at 11:08 AM
What are you guys looking at?
Look over there!
cntrlfrk on April 20, 2009 at 11:14 AM
Banks aren’t lending the money anyways. They’re dumping all these funds into shoring up their bad debt and bolstering their money making ventures. Bank of Amerika just suspended my home equity line of credit and doubled the interest rate on my credit cards while slashing my credit limit…so much for my perfect credit score and flawless payment history.
Wyznowski on April 20, 2009 at 11:14 AM
Next thing that will happen is that govt will start restricting the ability of foreign owned banks to do business in the US, to prevent them from outcompeting the now neutered US banks.
MarkTheGreat on April 20, 2009 at 11:28 AM
Now there’s a statement I thought I would never see.
I have never had any trouble forcing the govt to take my money. In fact I usually have the opposite problem.
MarkTheGreat on April 20, 2009 at 11:35 AM
Mafia, if this was anything but the government, the RICO act would be applied.
Imagine, borrowing money, then when you want to repay it the loan company say no, before you repay it we want to be sure you are running your household correctly.
God, I am beginning to hate my government…at least this one.
right2bright on April 20, 2009 at 11:52 AM
A mortgage counselor told me banks might rewrite a mortgage but they won’t touch equity loans or second mortgages which have to be paid down by the homeowner.
The State of Michigan had a program to help homeowners but it required a good credit number, job and low loan to value. The counselor said zero of their clients qualified.
The prior federal Hope for Homeowners had the same strings. According to Bloomberg it refinanced a grand 24 homeowners from October 2008 when it initiated. It was supposed to help rewrite a half million
Funny the counselor (in 2008) said many banks refused to participate in the voluntary Hope for Homeowners. However she said banks would be forced into the program in early 2009. She did not give details
Now, just before the banks had to behave, Congress re writes the package
I found this figure from a realty service concerning the new Obama program:
Many homes have dropped more than 20 percent so the homeowner has to have serious equity to qualify
Banks are dredging for cash from solvent customers, giving short notice to pay off or accept higher interest on loans borrowed at low interest due to good credit. They are now putting credit worthy folk into jeopardy by breaking the rules of the original credit lines
The banks are money short because people are not paying mortgages and the economy has stalled
It would have been better to send the federal money to the banks as a mortgage paydown with requirements to rewrite, They could still foreclose on the non payers and sell them to the foreclosure vultures but meanwhile the money would be in banks to be recirculated instead of ‘in transit’ until the imaginary credit worthy non payer finally appears
A cynic might assume all these bailout programs were hooey designed to keep the money at Treasury while generating publicity that the politicians were helping
entagor on April 20, 2009 at 11:53 AM
What we need are freakin’ tax cuts. Or better yet, trash the tax code and implement a flat tax or the Fair Tax. Get rid of capital gains taxes, corporate income taxes, estate taxes. After that, buckle up, because the sudden rise in ecomomic activity will be intense.
jimmy2shoes on April 20, 2009 at 12:02 PM
Strong banks will be allowed to repay bail-out funds they received from the US government but only if such a move passes a test to determine whether it is in the
national economic interestB. Hussien Obama’s socialist movements best interests, a senior administration official has told the Financial Times.There, fixed it!
TrickyDick on April 20, 2009 at 12:24 PM
…but the term “economic fascism” is too strong, eh? Don’t think so.
Spiritk9 on April 20, 2009 at 12:31 PM
Banks:
Write the government a check and send it to them, certified with return receipt. At that point you are done with them. If they choose not to cash the check that is their problem. Oh, when you do this, alert every media outlet within 100 miles to watch every step of the transaction. In fact, have your CEO personally deliver it to the Treasury Secretary in front of the cameras. Then go in front of the cameras and state to the American public that the money loaned to you by us has been repaid in full.
Bubba Redneck on April 20, 2009 at 12:35 PM
What he said
lwssdd on April 20, 2009 at 2:08 PM
Worse news: I heard on the radio this morning (last night?) that the government wants to turn the bonds/preferred stock it holds in exchange for the TARP money into common (voting) stock.
njcommuter on April 20, 2009 at 2:11 PM
No kidding!
Apparently prepayment penalties are a good thing if the government is setting the rules.
Ding. Ding. Ding.
Buy Danish on April 20, 2009 at 2:27 PM
As someone who does loans for a living, this program does help some, but not all. The people that really need it usually have second mortgages and the seconds will not subordinate to the first at high loan to values, which means that they can’t refinance the first mortgage. Another issue that is starting to occur on the seconds, is that the bank carrying the mortgage will issue the subordination, but will make the borrower modify the mortgage. They will jack the rate up and lower the dollar amount they can use. Another thing that is frustrating is that the second mortgages will not tell the borrowers what the requirements are to subordinate, they tell them it is a case by case basis and take their $200 non refundable application and then deny the request so the borrower can’t refinance the first and is out $200 on the second and has nothing to show for it.
Also I am getting a ton of calls for modification of peoples’ loans, these are the same people that are paying their loans off in 15 years but say since they don’t have income (which means they get paid cash), they want the bank to lower the payment to meet their guidelines. These people are looking for the loophole in this, they are the same people that used the loophole in the no income/no asset loans to buy the properties. It is very frustrating to see people get away with this with no recourse. I had a gentleman today tell me that he can pay off the loan in cash, but since he doesn’t show income he wants me to lower his payment because according to the government he doesn’t make any money. Very frustrating.
momof2 on April 20, 2009 at 8:15 PM
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