Obama has given the bad guys a primer on how to get through the American Satan’s evil interrogations.

coldwarrior on April 18, 2009 at 2:57 PM

Nope. The terrorists “man-caused disasters” men train to the Army Field Manual which will soon be revised to require us to just read them their al-Mirada rights.

The pacifist movement of the 1930′s guaranteed the opening successes of the Nazis and fascists and Japanese Imperialists.

Obama and Sullivan and Greenwald and millions of “COEXIST” fantasists across the nation are equally culpable for the next wave of Terror.

Maybe they need to look at the last minutes of Nick Berg’s life.

And Daniel Pearl’s.

And let that curdle their milk of human kindness sap.

Of which they are full to the brim with.

Obama is glibly undermining the security of the nation …which he apparently resents more than loves.

May he be the only one to reap the results of his catastrophic naivete from the jihadists he fecklessly dismisses.

And not the populace which he has so cavalierly endangered.

Ryan, I hope you understand that I was implicitly acknowledging our general acceptance of such tragic “trade-offs.”

That very logic regarding civilian casualties could be applied to the individual captive: The military target (i.e., co-conspirators) can be reached only at risk to the “defenseless” terrorist or terrorist suspect – turned into the equivalent of a non-combatant by virtue of his being in captivity. I’m not trying to make a legal argument here, I’m just pointing out that the underlying moral position is hardly something monstrous or alien.

Because we so highly prize the individual and the presumption of innocence, we are rightly reluctant to adopt means and methods that violate them. The hypocrisy comes with the notion that, on the other side of defaming and perhaps prosecuting Bush officials up to and including Bush himself, we will somehow render ourselves morally pure.

So now that you are in charge – if that’s true – BRING THE CHARGES ON OR STFU.

HondaV65 on April 18, 2009 at 3:47 PM

I have been echoing this same sentiment since the dems took control in 06 concerning impeachment.

They have whined and cried about “Bush lied us into war” and “war crimes” for years.
They now have the majorities on the hill to back up all their accusations and have done nothing.
Either they are just as guilty as Bush or Bush is innocent of these bogus accusations.
I am right with you Honda…Put up or Shut up!!!! liberals.

We do know that none of these methods were used without the consent of democrats and Republicans:

Hill Briefed on Waterboarding in 2002
In Meetings, Spy Panels’ Chiefs Did Not Protest, Officials Say
By Joby Warrick and Dan Eggen
Washington Post Staff Writers
Sunday, December 9, 2007; A01
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/12/08/AR2007120801664_pf.html

In September 2002, four members of Congress met in secret for a first look at a unique CIA program designed to wring vital information from reticent terrorism suspects in U.S. custody. For more than an hour, the bipartisan group, which included current House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.), was given a virtual tour of the CIA’s overseas detention sites and the harsh techniques interrogators had devised to try to make their prisoners talk.

Among the techniques described, said two officials present, was waterboarding, a practice that years later would be condemned as torture by Democrats and some Republicans on Capitol Hill. But on that day, no objections were raised. Instead, at least two lawmakers in the room asked the CIA to push harder, two U.S. officials said.

“The briefer was specifically asked if the methods were tough enough,” said a U.S. official who witnessed the exchange.

What Congress Knew About ‘Torture’
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123120464870255997.html

Beginning in 2002, Nancy Pelosi and other key Democrats (as well as Republicans) on the House and Senate Intelligence Committees were thoroughly, and repeatedly, briefed on the CIA’s covert antiterror interrogation programs. They did nothing to stop such activities, when they weren’t fully sanctioning them. If they now decide the tactics they heard about then amount to abuse, then by their own logic they themselves are complicit. Let’s review the history the political class would prefer to forget.

Democrats that were fully Briefed on interrogation tactics including water boarding.
(D)Rep. Nancy Pelosi
(D)Rep. Jane Harmon
(D)Rep. Bob Graham
(D)Rep. John Rockefeller

All of these methods were known by the same people who are crying now about the abuses of the Bush administration.
All of these methods were approved by this liberal leadership.
Now where have we seen this 180′ turn of policy when it does not suit someone politically before.
Oh yea,the same methods used by democrats concerning their decade of yelling about how dangerous Saddam was with WMD’s / nuclear program and ties to al-qaeda which lead them to support and vote for the Iraq war.
Until it became a political problem,then it was “Bush lied” and”Big dumb Bush tricked all of us super smart democrats”.
But anyone paying attention knows exactly why the democrats pull these 180′ on policies that they supported:

Congressman admits Democrats “stretched the facts,” misled anti-war supporters about supposed plans for ending War
Submitted by Jeff Emanuel on Thu, 05/22/2008 – 8:18pm.
http://jeffemanuel.net/paul-kanjorski-pa-11-admits-democrats-lied-about-being-able-to-end-war-in-iraq

You see, Paul Kanjorski has an honesty problem.
More specifically, Paul Kanjorski’s problem is that he was publicly honest about the intentional dishonesty of Congressional Democrats (and Democrat candidates) in the run-up to the 2006 election — particularly with regard to the War in Iraq.

“I’ll tell you my impression. We really in this last election, when I say we…the Democrats, I think pushed it as far as we can to the end of the fleet, didn’t say it, but we implied it. That if we won the Congressional elections, we could stop the war. Now anybody was a good student of Government would know that wasn’t true. But you know, the temptation to want to win back the Congress, we sort of stretched the facts…and people ate it up.”

And of course we have the famous memo from Rockefeller that lays out the plans to use the difficulties of war as a political weapon to undermine the White House and gain congressional seats:

Democrats Mull Politicizing Iraq War Intelligence
Wednesday, November 05, 2003

Among other things, the memo recommends that Democrats “prepare to launch an investigation when it becomes clear we have exhausted the opportunity to usefully collaborate with the [Senate] majority. We can pull the trigger on an independent investigation of the administration’s use of intelligence at any time — but we can only do so once … the best time would probably be next year.”

The last paragraph of the memo reads, “Intelligence issues are clearly secondary to the public’s concern regarding the insurgency in Iraq.”

democrats basically sold out this country and stabbed our Soldiers in the back for political gain.

Watching liberal apologist like sullivan and greenwald continue to whine about Bush while Obama continues Rendition,indefinite detention,NSA spying,bombing and killing civilians,increasing troops,using state secrets,and keeping on many of the same people that instituted these policies shows just how corrupt democrats are and how ignorant the supporters of their hypocritical leadership are.

He scares the living S..t out of me.
suzyk on April 18, 2009 at 3:41 PM

Could that be defined as domestic terrorism/torture??

Why yes it can..

Although civilians may not be made the object of a direct attack, the LOAC recognizes that a military target need not be spared because its destruction may cause collateral damage that results in the unintended death or injury to civilians or damage to their property.

However, if these objects are used for military purposes, they lose their immunity.

http://hotair.com/archives/2009/02/01/surprise-obama-expands-renditions/

Too bad we often get filtered information from third parties.

toliver on April 18, 2009 at 4:06 PM

Good God, I need to preview my comments. I meant to type OUTSOURCE.

http://hotair.com/archives/2009/02/01/surprise-obama-expands-renditions/

Too bad we often get filtered information from third parties.

Cindy Munford on April 18, 2009 at 3:50 PM

I have wondered that myself. But I think he wants the US to suffer. This is an angry man who has harbored controlled rage against this country his entire adult life.
A calamity would give him a strong reason to exert the control he would need to implement his full and unobstructed agenda.
American casualties are not a concern to him. I do believe he is that cold.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XnS49c9KZw8

CK MacLeod on April 18, 2009 at 3:26 PM

True points, all.

But, having gone through the actual exercise, at the Cabinet level, dotting “i’s” and crossing “t’s” many many times in the course of my former career, the utmost care was applied here to make sure that there would be no precedent set by making it up as they went along. And no loose ends that could leave an opening for one or two or more intelligence operators to wing it.

Of course, it is easy, if one has no concept of the real facts involved, to try to make that transition to the spirit of pre-Nuremberg Germany, where everything was of course “legal” and “following legal orders” was the norm.

But, we do not own the judiciary. We, being those of us who were or are promulgating the fight against very bad people intent on doing us harm. This is evident in many judicial rulings, to include the present one requiring Obama to release all sorts of details about the NSA, a federal court judge deciding on his own national security matters. A decision, Obama or no Obama, I vehemently oppose.

Only the most naive of an observer would liken how taking extreme care to follow the letter of the law, and to delay a program until that law could be read, ascertained and understood, is in any way analogous to pre-Nuremberg Germany.

But, as we have seen, the constant rounds of pundits quoting pundits in our national debate takes precedence over an actual discussion of known facts. The amount of hyperbole shown by these same pundits over the past few days has shown that perhaps they are indeed the most naive of observers.

Double tap em all

Let’s start with the fact that HE OWNS the government now and there’s no one standing in his way of pressing charges against Bush administration officials. And let’s also point out the fact there is no shortage of whacko Democrats on the hill who would support and fund the investigations and trials of Bush and his boys.

So why isn’t Obama prosecuting? If it’s out of some “gentlemanly” concern for his predecessor – well his concern is misplaced if his predecessor truly engaged in a torture culture. And with everything else Obama has blamed Bush with – hell he’s even blaming Bush for the right wing extremist report from DHS – it’s a bit out of character for Obama to suddenly have feelings for George Bush.

MY CHALLENGE TO DEMOCRATS … it’s not too much to ask you to put your money where your mouth is since you’re now in charge of the government. You’ve said that GW engaged in torture. You demonized the man, slurred him with the label.

So now that you are in charge – if that’s true – BRING THE CHARGES ON OR STFU.

Just one beta male’s opinion.

Send the Kalab back to frickin’ Allah. Give ‘em their 72 virgins (which some suspect are really raisins)!!!!

Do the liberals ever think about all those people trapped in the 100th floor of the North and South WTC Towers?

I try to put myself in that position. I close my eyes, imagine the city out around one of them, smoke behind, above, and under them on the 100th floor, and I picture them closing their eyes and jumping. It’s enough to make my heart stop.

And the Obama Badministration is worried about bugs!!!

And water!

Not that I ever felt bad in the first place..

Thousands of contestants on Fear Factor lined up voluntarily no less, to be dropped in a glass coffin with thousands of stinging snakes and scorpions for 15 minutes of fame….

Why at I missing here?

The captive is screaming, “I’ll talk! I’ll talk!”

The memos make ponderous reading, but it is in the details…alluding to the discussions of law…where the memos are actually a real vindication of the Bush Administration.

Contrary to popular myth, the Bush Administration did go about this willy-nilly…they documented, asked serious legal questions, and made sure every “i” was dotted and every “t” was crossed before proceeding.

As for the operational details of these memos…this is where the travesty has been committed.

Way too much detail on sources and methods. The interrogation methods themselves, that is where we have given away information to an enemy and potential enemies.

Obama has given the bad guys a primer on how to get through the American Satan’s evil interrogations.

And, these memos show conclusively that also contrary to popular myth, these detainees were well treated and looked after, were given far far better medical check-ups, better medical consultations, better preventive medical care, better follow-up care, and more attention to their medical needs (not connected to their interrogations) than most Americans ever see.

Had Eric Holder been permitted to make the call, even more would have been released…aiding and abetting our enemies to an even greater extent…and putting the lives of hundreds of our intelligence professionals at grave risk.

Now…does this mean Obama intends to do more? Perhaps worse?

That, sir, is the trillion dollar question.