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Phew…AWB may be stillborn…

posted at 9:29 am on April 13, 2009 by

“The gun nuts have won…again.”

Obama and the Democrats appear to have lost all interest in a ban on assault weapons or any other legislation cleaning up loopholes in America’s gun laws even though killings are on the rise and gun violence continues to escalate around the country.

White House officials admit support for a new ban isn’t there and the President isn’t willing to take on another losing battle with Congress.

Although information on banning assault style weapons remains on the White House web site, sources within the Democratic party say the issue is dead and unlikely to be revived in the near future.

The article is, of course, followed by an account of the nut who recently killed three police officers, and was branded a “right-winger” by every major media outlet. Naturally, the description was as accurate as ever.

The fact that the media failed to turn the shooting into an anti-gun sentiment among the populace is a refreshing breath of common sense. During the 90’s, with the Brady organization snuggling up with the Clinton administration, there was ample fuel for their fire, between the workplace shootings and school massacres. Each was usually linked to some sort of failure on the part of the government to have enacted firearms policies that would have somehow prevented the event, even if the real effect would have been (and usually was) making more hassles for the law-abiding gun owner to deal with.

The lack of media-intended public recoil, combined with the lowest support for handgun bans in decades, should be seriously considered by those in power who are already thinking about other resurrections of bad policy, such as taking another shot at amnesty. As the economy continues to languish, citizens are taking a more critical look at their leaders. Continued pushing could result in major upheaval in a year and a half.

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The percentage of weapons transported from the US to Mexico is nothing like the either the liberal loons here or the mafia government there wants us to believe anyway.

Hmmm, why would Mexico chime in with the same anti gun rhetoric spewed here?

Speakup on April 13, 2009 at 11:12 AM

Hmmm, why would Mexico chime in with the same anti gun rhetoric spewed here?

Speakup on April 13, 2009 at 11:12 AM

Maybe because their version of the revolution has the bad guys taking over?

unclesmrgol on April 13, 2009 at 11:54 AM

I saw my senator, Dianne Feinstein, on 60 Minutes last night saying that she still wants the AWB and plans on introducing a bill, but acknowledges that now is not the time. She knows there’s little support from the White House for doing it now.

But she does intend to bring it back – it’s just about the timing.

Athena on April 13, 2009 at 12:00 PM

I don’t think the threat of AWB, or any other WB, is something that is going to go away as long as the Dems are in control of all branches of government. They are serious about the concept of disarming average citizens, and that is not a matter of polls. But for now I’m willing to give them the benefit of the doubt that maybe they are smart enough to know that the temperature right now is hot enough to light a revolution if they tried to pull this off at this point. Plus there is the fact that they may just be convinced that if they start that war they are apt to lose it for the very reason they dislike private gun ownership. That is that armed citizens really can dictate to their government, and when pushed, will.

MikeA on April 13, 2009 at 12:11 PM

There was a letter sent to AG Eric Holder, signed by 65 democrats in congress, stating that they would not support an AWB.

They even made good arguments against an AWB. The facts must have been given to them by the NRA.

Right_of_Attila on April 13, 2009 at 12:27 PM

I think they are fighting it a different way. They are just making ammo triple the price or unavailable.

Conservalicious on April 13, 2009 at 12:33 PM

AWB is not off the table.

Feinstein can’t make it fly now, so Pelosi is playing incrementalist with her registration idea. and raise other bright ideas like “smart guns” and ammo encoding.

End goal is still complete civilian disarmament.

It is what socialists need to have happen if they are really to control the sheep and not worry about what might be at their six o’clock.

There is no compromise with these people, unless we give in.

Harry Schell on April 13, 2009 at 12:40 PM

Well, ammo is/was triple the price and unavailable. Do you have some reason to think that is a Dem plot? I’m frankly, just not sure what I think is going on. I know fear of the AWB and of a few other proposed legislation has driven the market as people wanted to beat the bans. But that has been months long now, and I have trouble believing that some entrepreneur in the industry would not climb in the middle of this boom and make some wares available.

I’m starting to believe that something in the system that the manufacturers know that we don’t is keeping them from ramping up production to meet the new demand. Maybe it is just that they think this is all temporary and don’t want to get stuck with a surplus when things cool down. But if that were the case I’d think they would just tell us that. By “they” I mean the manufacturers, not the government.

Another possibility that I’m starting to wonder about is that they have been warned that something is coming down the pike, like the ammo micro stamping idea, that would stick them with unsellable inventory if they ramp up now.

MikeA on April 13, 2009 at 12:46 PM

Well, ammo is/was triple the price and unavailable. Do you have some reason to think that is a Dem plot?

MikeA on April 13, 2009 at 12:46 PM

Among other things, there was a fear that the military was going to start destroying all their spent brass casings, which would really put a pinch on the ammo market. Fortunately, it didn’t go through.

That, combined with Obama’s gun rights record, the resurrection of the AWB, etc all have led to simply a buying frenzy. It wasn’t a big problem when the election was approaching, because the market was still fresh with merchandise. However, when the rush didn’t wane Obama was voted in, and in fact increased, this drought was inevitable. It’s not that ammo can’t be had, but rather that those who truly want it are dashing off to Wal-Mart to clear out the racks within hours of it being in stock.

The microstamping issue bothers me, as well. I might make a post about it this week.

MadisonConservative on April 13, 2009 at 12:52 PM

MadisonConservitive, from my observation, as a “clinger”, you are right so far about that buying frenzy. That has been driven by both fear, and probably some promotion by vendors that saw the chance to sell a bunch of stuff. That does not mean it was a Dem plot, and may even have been against their interests; as I suspect that are now billions or trillions of rounds of ammo in clostes and underwear drawers that was not there sox or eight months ago. And now that same frenzy is moving through the reloading market. Try to by small rifle primers this week and you’ll see what I mean.

The bottom line is that most gun owners, as well as non-gun onwers, assume that the Dems will try to do something to make having and using gun more difficult in the near future. Don’t you suspect too that when they now release news stories like the one this thread was based on, claiming that they are not going to attack the 2nd ammendment right now, that they may simply be hoping that we believe that and take our eyes off the ball? If we didn’t trust them yesterday because of their record, why would we trust them today just because they said something different than they were saying yesterday.

MikeA on April 13, 2009 at 1:07 PM

While this news is slightly encouraging I will not be breathing any sigh of relief any time soon. There is no way that this administration is not looking into an AWB. Maybe not this minute but down the road.

EagleClaw on April 13, 2009 at 1:32 PM

Georgia Arms has several calibers of ammo that are out of stock, due to a lack of component parts.

Anyone wanting to get into manufacturing brass, bullets or primers need a major liability insurance policy. And by the time they ramp up, the demand could be gone.

If making ammo was a way to print money, I’d already be there.

Right_of_Attila on April 13, 2009 at 1:34 PM

Insurance, again. An’t it amazing how often that word comes up when we talk about things not working logically? Insurance companies control a great deal of the nuts and bolts of society. And who is it that seems to be buying into the insurance business these days? Why, the government of O is that’s who. Nothing to see there folks. Move along.

MikeA on April 13, 2009 at 2:10 PM

Bob Owens wrote a post for PJ media on the ammo shortage.


Much of the demand comes from continued high law enforcement demand, the same demand that led to shortages two years ago. Police agencies around the nation have become more militarized in recent years and two trends within this militarization have led to greater police ammunition demand.

mad saint jack on April 13, 2009 at 5:03 PM

No real shortage of ammo around here, but we don’t have the population numbers that could make a real run on the supply.

Prices are up, but that is due to a number of factors. Demand has driven a lot of that, but so has wars being fought in two theaters.

Another thing driving cost is something I haven’t seen being given much consideration. It wasn’t that long ago that metal prices were at all time highs.

Copper was at a 60-year low in 1999 at 60 cents per pound, but rose to over $3.75 per pound by the 2nd quarter of 2006. In early 2007 it was back down to $2.40 per pound, then back up to $3.50 per pound months later. Today it’s trading at a bit over $2.00 per pound.

The volitility in price has been driven by world demand, a lot of that in China.

Put that price increase for copper together with zinc metal increases (copper + zinc = brass) and lead increases and that alone will push the ammo prices upwards. The forward pricing on copper, which is a bit depressed this month, is indicating upward pressure again. I would guess that the major ammo producers are buying a lot of their copper forward to assure inventory, especially if major government contracts are involved.

Some producers may have bought copper contracts forward, to insure a steady supply, at the higher prices and are stuck with them, even though the copper price dropped as the economies tanked around the world. That’s the two edged sword of selling and buying forward.

Just one piece of the pricing puzzle, but I can’t really say what percentage of the price runup is due to the “metal” factor.

Yoop on April 13, 2009 at 6:18 PM

Good reasoning Madison.

The mass buying up started as an attempt by many to stock up in advance of any type of ban. But I think it continues because people are determined to make sure this administration does not get its way. Obama has an ambitious social agenda, and is pushing hard. As Madison said above, this may reach critical mass and backfire on him before the mid-terms next year. The advance of socialism requires the death of the individual, and that cannot happen when the individual resists and is armed. One of these days someone is going to shout “Let’s Roll” and then it will be on.

InTheBellyoftheBeast on April 14, 2009 at 8:57 AM

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