Zero hour: Lieberman vs. Lamont (Update: Liebs contacts U.S. Attorney about site hack)
posted at 1:27 pm on August 8, 2006 by Allahpundit
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Six years ago today he was announced as the Democratic vice-presidential nominee. Six years later, he’s down six points on the day of the primary to a guy Goldstein aptly describes thusly:
Ironic, isn’t it, that after years of talking about Bush as a puppet to oil interests, neocon strategists, and Cheneyesque evil machinations, the netroots are hoping to install an empty suite [sic]—a “symbol,” really, of the base’s power to direct the Democratic party platform for 2008—into the Senate, in the hope that they can bring to power, finally, a “progressive” Executive in 2008?
I want two predictions from everyone: (1) who wins and by how much, and (2) which bloggers, whom Ned Lamont has never heard of before and doesn’t know anything about, will appear with him on the dais at HQ later tonight.
Karol answers the first question by proving she’s on the pipe. I call it 52-48 for the Freshmaker, with Matt Stoller and sweet Jane edging into frame as he delivers his victory speech.
Barnett’s being coy but I’ve a hunch he’s leaning my way. Just as I’ve a hunch that he, like me, thinks the Blogometer has it exactly right.
We’ll be all over it later tonight with results and video (probably) of the victory and concession speeches. Or non-concession: unless Liebs goes down hard, he’s still in the race, and if Lamont goes down, it’s just proof of a wingnut conspiracy to rig the results.
Oh, here’s that moronic Lanny Davis “whither my party?” op-ed that everyone else has been linking to. What can I say? I’m a follower, not a leader.
Update: Did some member of the fightin’ nutroots hack Joe Lieberman’s campaign site? Joe Lieberman thinks so.
Update: A possibly encouraging sign just mentioned on Fox News: 14,000 voters in Connecticut have recently registered as Democrats. Nutroots ground troops trying to push little Neddy over the top? Or is the cavalry riding to the rescue?
Update: Greg Tinti has video of Lieberman’s campaign manager on Fox News talking about the site being hacked. They’ve contacted the U.S. Attorney and the Connecticut AG. In his e-mail, Tinti referred to the hacking as an example of the tactics used against Jeff Goldstein going national.
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I predict 55-45 for Lieberman so tomorrow can be National Laugh at Kos Day instead of the usual sniggering at Kos that goes on every day.
frankj on August 8, 2006 at 1:39 PM
Lieberman, 52-48, to swipe your numbers. I think it’ll be that close but that the crazies don’t have da powah yet.
Anwyn on August 8, 2006 at 1:39 PM
Was my comment delayed in posting because it had the word “sniggering” in it? Never noticed how close to a really bad word that is.
frankj on August 8, 2006 at 1:42 PM
I may not always agree with Joe Lieberman but he is an honorable man. That seems to be lost today upon those on both sides who are on the fringes. I hope that tomorrow will be National Laugh Day at Kos Day!
Catie96706 on August 8, 2006 at 1:44 PM
This is win-win:
- If Freshmaker wins, it clarifies to the rest of the country how dangerously far left the Democrat party has drifted
- If he loses, then Markos Moulitscrewthem continues his winless streak (what’s the latest count?)
Good day for us no matter what.
gash on August 8, 2006 at 1:47 PM
I also believe Joe L will win (assuming the bloggers can get out of their jammies…) If he doesn’t win it will be because he waited too long to make the speech distancing himself from Bush. Have to admit Lamont ran a good campaign, surprising so for a virgin.
honora on August 8, 2006 at 1:50 PM
Joe 51-49, Silent Majority rules.
Richsamg on August 8, 2006 at 1:52 PM
I predict the exit polls will be wrong.
Attila (Pillage Idiot) on August 8, 2006 at 1:57 PM
Today- Freshmaker 50.2, Liebs 49.8
November- Liebs (I) 51, The Field 49
Expect the aforementioned Stoller and Hartford Jane, along with “Ol’ Screw ‘Em” himself officially claiming Kingmaker status.
Kid from Brooklyn on August 8, 2006 at 2:01 PM
I predict that it doesn’t matter. Nutroots are placing all of their eggs in this particular basket but, it’s a small Blue State and doesn’t affect the balance of power in the Senate.
Let them spend all of their money and their bile, it really doesn’t matter.
MCPO Airdale on August 8, 2006 at 2:01 PM
Lamont takes it 51-49 or there abouts. It’ll be a squeaker. Lieberman will then run as an Independent and regain his senate seat.
Democrats–snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.
CT on August 8, 2006 at 2:03 PM
Lieberman 53.6, Freshmaker 46.4.
If Joementum doesn’t win this, he’ll roll in November, as it gives the Children of the Cornhole three more months to do incredibly stupid things, and believe me, they will.
JammieWearingFool on August 8, 2006 at 2:05 PM
And I bet 100% of the “news” outlets that coronate Kos for his moral victory will neglect to mention his heretofore 0-for-20 streak.
JammieWearingFool on August 8, 2006 at 2:07 PM
I’d like to see 70-30 Lamont or something equally rediculous. It would be best for the country. But I don’t think it will happen. More likely would be something like 55-45 Lieberman. That poll reportedly has consistently ignored the jewish vote and it would seem likely that they would be more likely to support joementum than the freshmaker.
RH
RobertHuntingdon on August 8, 2006 at 2:07 PM
Heh, Attilla, of course they will. Aren’t they always?
RH
RobertHuntingdon on August 8, 2006 at 2:09 PM
I’m guessing it’s going to be like 50-50, with Joe having an tiny, tiny edge, and Lamont is going to do what leftists do… cry like a baby, demand recounts, and accuse Karl Rove of fixing the elections.
I’m serious.
DaveS on August 8, 2006 at 2:13 PM
Actually, I think there’s about a 30% chance of that scenario occurring.
DaveS on August 8, 2006 at 2:13 PM
Rush reported there are problems at some polling stations.
Which begs the inevitable question. If there are problems voting in a Democrat primary, how do Republicans get blamed?
Discuss.
JammieWearingFool on August 8, 2006 at 2:20 PM
You are forgetting the cardinal rule for the netroots: You don’t have to make any sense at all, so long as you are rationalizing your inability to succeed in the political arena of ideas.
DaveS on August 8, 2006 at 2:26 PM
I’m with Dave S. except with Lamont by a tiny amount. That way we get to laugh at the nutroots indignantly saying “how dare you question the results of this election!”
Scary thing is they wouldn’t see the irony.
MamaAJ on August 8, 2006 at 2:33 PM
Well, I don’t think I’m alone when I hope that both Lamont and McKinney are defeated.
Psycotte on August 8, 2006 at 2:34 PM
I think its too close to call right now, what with the Lamont supporters are doing to gain support, from Anti-War movements to blackfacing and such… I agree with those who’ll say it’s win-win… I somewhat agree.
If Ned Freshmaker wins, perhaps, just perhaps the people might come to their senses and realizes the Democrat party is dead, and it speaks about diversity and tolerance but refuses to practice it. Their bigotry will be exposed, the political bigotry highlighted especially since they want Lieberman out because they think he sucks up to Bush because of Lieberman’s agreement on the War on Terror. They will express, “You must be like us lock-step or else you’re the enemy and you must go!” Sort-of like what Cynthia “I should get away with punching the Police because I’m ‘a female black congresswoman’” McKinney said of her opponent Hank Johnson during her debates.
I can’t say I believe the people might wake up though… Remember how close the 2004 Presidential elections were? And the fits and Anti-Bush campaigns afterward? All the (failed) attempts to impeach Bush? I wonder how many today believe “Bush lied, people died.” hype many try to put out there in the United States…
So, I can’t say for sure if it’ll be a win-win situation for us no matter who wins… I think the election’ll be too close to call, but my hope is–in spite of all the spin-masters–that Liberman would win. If he does, then there’s hope for today’s Democratic party.
Cutty S. on August 8, 2006 at 2:38 PM
55-45 for the Freshmaker. But we’ll never see a Senator Lamont. The general will go more like 65-25 Liebs with the last 10 for the R, if there is one.
Pablo on August 8, 2006 at 2:39 PM
This red on red stuff is great. Let ‘em beat the snot outta each other. Its not like this is a conservative seat anyway. And if the DUmmies want to treat this as a bellweather, even better. It’ll drive them even further left, driving the middle-of-the-roaders away.
Iblis on August 8, 2006 at 2:42 PM
You’re killing me!
Anwyn on August 8, 2006 at 3:30 PM
I dunno. I know Joe is a lefty, but I think he has more class than that. If he loses, he won’t push a blatantly unfounded recount.
DaveS on August 8, 2006 at 3:59 PM
I would have said Lamont by a less than a thousand votes, but I just read an posting at powerline pointing to this opinion journal article by Lanny Davis that makes me thinking that the neo-brownshirt behavior of the netroots may backfire big-time.
Davis writes:
Davis is wrong. Lamont is “one” with the Brownshirt Class of 2006. He is actively accepting their support.
Davis also writes:
Too late.
Lamont is definedpolitical weapon of mass destruction (i.e., the behavior of the “nutroots”) to use against the Democratic Party, if they are smart and capable enough to use it.
At a birthday bash for a friend, I had the opportunity to see BDS and Bush-hate up close, including foul-mouth descriptions of Bush and the Republicans, and the raw hatred they hold against Republicans. Rather than cause a scene or incite violence, I simply took notes while watching multiple “minute of hate” exercises run their course.
I now think that Lieberman might win after all, because I believe that moderate America will reject the Brownshirt Class of 2006. I believe that they will be either upset or alarmed at the degree of hatred the BDS and haters carry in their hearts and that they will recoil in disgust the minute they discover that the Democratic Party is run by these people.
It now becomes the business of the Republican Party leadership to insure that this connection be made.
georgej on August 8, 2006 at 4:20 PM
I don’t know what happened in the above post, but this paragraph was supposed to read:
Lamont is defined by his supporters.
Further, these Brownshirts have given the Republicans a political weapon of mass destruction (i.e., the behavior of the “nutroots”) to use against the Democratic Party, if they are smart and capable enough to use it.
georgej on August 8, 2006 at 4:22 PM
Everybody’s $MONEY$ is on Lamont. I hope the guy loses the primary and all of his $MILLIONS$ he sunk into the campaign. Our forefathers must be turning over in their graves watching this spectacle we now call an election.
Go Joe!
fogw on August 8, 2006 at 4:33 PM
Today I agree with honora (run out an buy lotto tickets). To predict percentages is very hard.
Either outcome is a win-win for Karl Rove, who will have good reasons for champagne tonight.
If Mr. Lieberman wins, decency and the sane Democratic wing wins a little. The fight so far, and after, will still benefit Karl Rove and the nuts will camp out and throw a tantrum with Lopez Obrador. Democracy is only when “we win” and “we will recount until we do”!
If Mr. Lieberman loses by a few points tonight, he has great chances of winning in Nov. since even the Republican cadidate might give his support to him.
If the nuts win, I’d hire Mr. Lieberman into the Bush Admin. as a prominent foreign advisor for the Middle East and give him a loud mic to undermine his party’s “supporters”, for 2006 and 2008. Just thinking…
Ms. Cynthia McKinney will join Marion Berry, after tonight, and smoke something, while contemplating a ‘come-back’.
Entelechy on August 8, 2006 at 4:50 PM
it’s my hope for a lamont win - it sure would make things much more interesting in November. i’m thinking 51-49.
Also, in regard to problems at the polls, they’ll figure out SOME way to blame it on Rove.
pullingmyhairout on August 8, 2006 at 5:20 PM
Don’t primaries at the Congressional, state, and local levels traditionally have very low turnouts with only the hardcore base turning out? Lamont has definitely galvanized the socialists (the core of the Democratic party these days), so I would guess that he will beat Lieberman hands down. Lamont 54/Lieberman 46.
januarius on August 8, 2006 at 6:48 PM
Both republicans, and independants were changing their party affiliation so as to vote in this race. I cannot find any exit polling data. Add that in with the Lanny Davis article, and my bet gets placed on a Lieberman win.
If nothing else, this sure has been great in dividing, and defining democrats across America.
DannoJyd on August 8, 2006 at 7:20 PM
I should stick with betting on the ponies. ;^)
The Brownshirts won by about 10,000 votes. I expected a much closer race, even a slight Lieberman victory.
I hope Lieberman really runs as an Independent in the fall. The man deserves better than the slander and anti-semitic hatred and website hacking that his campaigned received from the new “owners” of the Democratic Party.
Kos, DU, moveon, Soros, and so forth, will, no doubt, claim this to be the “wave of the future.” No doubt we’ll be seeing them sing this tune (or one like it):
Well, 150,000 DEMOCRATS voting “Brownshirt” in Connecticut, do not a nation represent, nor a trend make.
georgej on August 9, 2006 at 6:32 AM