“Hadji Girl” update: Marine lawyers poring over UCMJ
posted at 5:09 pm on June 14, 2006 by Allahpundit
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Sounds like Belile didn’t break any obvious rules, but CAIR’s offended so the Corps’ leadership is going to redouble its efforts:
“I cannot say if there is a violation of the Uniform Code of Military Justice or the law of armed conflict. Lawyers have looked at it and they’re kind of scratching their heads, which is why we’re doing this preliminary inquiry,” said Lt. Col. Scott Fazekas, a U.S. Marine Corps spokesman at the Pentagon.
Here’s how Reuters describes the song, which is about a Marine being ambushed by a pair of jihadis:
A four-minute video of the performance, posted on the Internet, showed Cpl. Joshua Belile, who returned home from Iraq in March, singing lyrics about encountering an Iraqi woman and her family.
He sings, “I grabbed her little sister and put her in front of me. As the bullets began to fly, the blood sprayed from between her eyes, and then I laughed maniacally.” In the background, laughing, clapping and cheers can be heard.
Has al-Reuters actually reached the point where they’re apologizing for fictional terrorists?
Update: Nihad Awad, whom I quoted in the last Hadji Girl post, reacts to Belile’s apology. Like I said, it’s all about Haditha:
“We welcome Corporal Belile’s apology and will leave it to military authorities to determine whether any disciplinary action is warranted,” said CAIR Executive Director Nihad Awad. “Our intent was never to target an individual Marine, but instead to address the larger issue of insensitivity to the suffering of Iraqi civilians.”
Awad repeated his call for congressional hearings on the behavior of American military personnel in Iraq and in other Muslim nations such as Afghanistan.
Update: Here’s the section of the UCMJ they’re going to get him on.
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“Has al-Reuters actually reached the point where they’re apologizing for fictional terrorists?”
Yeah, because we’ve just about killed all the real ones!
ScottG on June 14, 2006 at 5:14 PM
The last thing I expected was the US Marines to capitulate to fanatical, radical muslim demands. What a great morale destroyer for the guys on the ground.
darwin on June 14, 2006 at 5:27 PM
So much for Freedom of Speech….
Romeo13 on June 14, 2006 at 5:32 PM
When are the supposed leaders of our country going to realize - CAIR is merely a front for global jihad and dhimmitude. It is unfortunate to think they are actually more intelligent than the people that are supposed to be the leaders of our country. CAIR is using our own laws and political correctness against us!
GOD bless the USMC! By the way, I do not believe that God wants anything to do with mohammed(DHSTH).
For those that would like to know what DHSTH means I offer the following - muslims like believe they must say/write PBUH(peace be upon him) after invoking the name of the pervert that started their religion. I believe it should be DHSTH or “Damn his soul to hell”
I hope CAIR hears about this. I love a good fight and do not believe in political correctness.
immigration inspectr on June 14, 2006 at 5:39 PM
Wonder what sort of songs we woulda heard about the Viet-Cong had Marines in the jungle had internet access
SEMPER FI!
Defector01 on June 14, 2006 at 5:42 PM
ROFL @ ScottG
Liberals to a T. If at first we don’t fail… pretend we did! And tell everyone so…
venmax on June 14, 2006 at 5:42 PM
Freedom of speech doesn’t belong in the military, that’s why liberals have no place in the military, but if he is to be charged with 134, he needs other charges to augment it or he will be likely aquitted. 134 is what you are hit for when you get NJP for hitting a bystander with a water balloon at the barracks.
The article 133, conduct unbecomming, only applies to commissioned officers (Yes, you can lose you commission for going to a gentlemans club), so they would probably word it to be Conduct unbecomming of a marine.
It was insanely foolish of him, but that is the way with young Marines. We’re taught that “kill” is the proper response to an NCO while in boot camp. The army occupies, the Marines destroy. All this apologizing needs to cease. Americans have forgotten that our Marines have a world reputation of being Shock Troops. WE KILL. It’s what we do.
The mission of the Marine Corps Rifle Squad:
“To locate, close with, and destroy the enemy, with fire and manuvering, or repel the enemy’s assault, with fire and close combat.”
Giving supplies and befriending Iraqi’s is done with a conscious choice; if we makes friends with them, they will join us in the firefight against our enemies. It’s tactics, it’s strategy, it’s freaking WAR. What is so hard about this concept???
Robb H on June 14, 2006 at 6:07 PM
“Our intent was never to target an individual Marine, but instead to address the larger issue of insensitivity to the suffering of Iraqi civilians.”
Here we go again. more liberal talking points. sensitivity training, investigations, blah blah blah. I need a stiff drink… it’s 5 o’clock somewhere, isn’t it???
pullingmyhairout on June 14, 2006 at 6:15 PM
Robb H, the Army (notice the capital letter) does not only occupy. We have our own shock troops, thank you, and do a fine job of destroying our targets. I mean to take nothing away from the Marines, but I would match my old Ranger platoon against anyone out there.
On this young mans issue. Well, CAIR can bit down hard for all I care. If the troops cannot even blow off steam, well, then folks need an education all about what they do for a living. Kill people and break shit.
jcon96 on June 14, 2006 at 6:29 PM
That’s it.
I’m makin’ a t-shirt
The Ugly American on June 14, 2006 at 6:30 PM
Taken individually and out of context, the lyrics of “Hadji Girl” do elicit disturbing images, but that kind of cherry-picking can make the most innocuous verse sound offensive. Please remember that, in the song, the Marine is lured into an ambush by the Hadji Girl, and is forced to defend himself. That is the full context that must be considered.
CAIR is trying to obscure the forest by boo-freakin’-hooing over a couple of trees. This is the same selective perception of which CAIR accuses enemies of Islamofascism, who cite specific Q’uran passages as proof of Islam’s violence and intolerance (never mind that the terrorists use those same passages to justify their actions and recruit more jihadists).
inmanjh on June 14, 2006 at 6:38 PM
Has the Military lost its mind?
robo on June 14, 2006 at 7:20 PM
Making a mountain out of an ant hill!
Warner Todd Huston on June 14, 2006 at 7:21 PM
Robb H, if they really want to nitpick, they would need to do 92, 93 and 117 to go along with 134. That would require a Brennanesque interpretation of the UCMJ, though.
Kid from Brooklyn on June 14, 2006 at 7:25 PM
POLITICAL CORRECTNESS will indeed kill us all!
And now it has polluted the U.S. Marines.
SCREW CAIR and our “insensitivities” to whomever. . .
My sensitivities were blasted to Hell on September 11, 2001.
ForYourEdification on June 14, 2006 at 7:26 PM
Durka durka!..he broke no rules and yet is being coerced into lengthy apologies?..caving in to CAIR…is it sad or sickening!..Excellent overview! :)
Angel on June 14, 2006 at 7:33 PM
As I said on another thread … Delende Est Cair.
thirteen28 on June 14, 2006 at 7:45 PM
Make me sick, of all the appeasing, PC, bullsh*t! If they don’t leave these soldiers and marines a way to let off steam what do they think the next all-out firefight will be like?
I predict a blood-drenched, no-holds-barred, fight to the death of one side or another, or total capitulation for fear of being brought up on stupid, nit-picking charges.
Free the troops to do their damned jobs!
Have the politicos learned NOTHING from Viet Nam? If they continue to try and micro-manage the conflict from DC they are setting our country up for failure, just like happened in ‘Nam.
As to CAIR, this is one organization that should be disbanded, the members deported if they aren’t American and prosecuted for treason if they are.
Duty, Honor, Country
(in THAT order)
Rowane
Rowane on June 14, 2006 at 7:53 PM
What can one say bout al-Reuters?
Dirka Dirka Muhammad Jihad
tommy1 on June 14, 2006 at 8:24 PM
OK, just say the Director guys name out loud -Nihad Awad… No wonder he’s confused and pissed.
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rhymes with Jihad Dickwad
shooter on June 14, 2006 at 10:49 PM
Call me Markos, but who cares what CAIR thinks? Screw them. If this guy was still in Iraq I’d send him a CAIR package in a second (but anysoldier.com doesn’t have him listed).
CAIR should know not to f with the marines.
Kevin M on June 14, 2006 at 10:52 PM
Robb H
This makes me sick that the marines are after the kid.
Here’s a slant he and his lawyer may need to look at: if this was truly prejudicial to good order and dicipline, why did none of the NCO’s and officers step in at the time? Clearly it was open mic night. I’d be shocked if higher ranking marines were not present. If they were, yet did nothing, I don’t see how you can tag the kis with 134 if you don’t also hit them for failure to maintain order and dicipline.
Don’t get me wrong - I don’t want ANY marine to get in trouble for this BS, but if I were the kid there’s no way I’d go down without a fight.
BTW, whatever happened to “Semper Fidelis”? What? Did it change to “Semper Fidelis (unless we need to be PC)” while I wasn’t looking?
This kid is getting the shaft.
grendel on June 14, 2006 at 11:00 PM
Are the Marines run by a ball-less liberal? Where is the mojo when you need it.
Americans are TIRED of the Marine Brass not backing our Marines… Fuckin TIRED OF IT.
Back ‘em up or shut the hell up!
Richard Davis on June 14, 2006 at 11:52 PM
Great. The *Marines* are concerned a *song* that might be offensive to *THE ENEMY*
That just ain’t Right.
Claire on June 15, 2006 at 2:12 AM
So are we now going to have rules of decorum and the proper social graces for combat? And will Miss Manners be writing the damned thing? Thou shalt not taunt thine enemy. Lord help us all.
crosspatch on June 15, 2006 at 3:00 AM
Screw the PC Pentagon Marine Brass-tards.
If this young man had done it at a public event, wearing full Marine uniform complete with insignia, I could see where they they might have as point in some minor punishment.
But in a T-shirt and no insignia, and apparently just among friends and peers? I don’t care if this was somehow later posted on the internet: You C.S., Chairborne, Colonels and Generals are destroying not only Corps morale, but the morale of all the Services and most of us that have served in the past.
Who ‘woulda ever thunk it’? A bunch of Politically Correct, Dhimmi, Marine senior officers. Y’all hoping for a position on the Hillary DoD or something?
LegendHasIt on June 15, 2006 at 3:04 AM
By the time the Marines’ PC crowd is done crucifying this kid and the “guilty before charged” Marines being held in shackles, Marine enlistments will fall precipitously.
After all, I would not want to enlist with Marine commanders more inclined to kiss the asses of CAIR, than to act like Marine commanders.
I don’t know where the responsibility for this insanity lies — at the Pentagon or the TOP! -– but the end result will be the same: demoralization of American troops.
The people condemned and tried should be the PC crowd that stands so ready to condemn Americans at the behest of the enemy. And yes, as far as I am concerned, CAIR IS THE ENEMY!
ForYourEdification on June 15, 2006 at 8:15 AM
Robb H, I don’t care. Did you see the song Michelle compared it to? This is bullcrap. CAIR can kiss my ass, I don’t know who the hell they think they are.
ChelleFiche on June 15, 2006 at 8:56 AM
What are WE the people going to do to stop this cancer? Obviously the semper pc crowd won’t.
dhimwit on June 15, 2006 at 9:30 AM
Did anyone ever find a translation for: “Derka derka. Mohammed jihad. Sherpa sherpa. Abakala.”
Dread Pirate Roberts VI on June 15, 2006 at 10:42 AM
Okay,it’s annoying enough that the schools,courts and all other public institutions are controlled by hard women and soft men…..now we can’t even count on the Marine Corps to ignore the “sensitivity” weenies. This is truly depressing.
chetthepet on June 15, 2006 at 12:13 PM
I would like to see Corporal Belile offer to make a simple change, and see if that makes it acceptable to the Corps. Instead of singing “I grabbed her little sister and I pulled her in front of me,” he could offer to sing “I grabbed my hadji girl and pulled her in front of me.”
Voila. No innocents.
I think the original is absolutely correct. Corporal Belile is an innocent too. He has done nothing to justify the homicide that his attackers in the song try to commit. He has no obligation to put the life of an innocent daughter of his attackers above his innocent life, and since he could reasonably have an expectation that she would not be shot by her father, it is CERTAINLY a reasonable action in the situation.
But it would be most interesting to see if easing the moral calulations implied by the song to be more obviously correct would make a difference. If it did, it would show that what they are really looking at is whether the described action would be an acceptable one. And that MUST be what they are looking at, bcause surely they wouldn’t object to his pulling hadji girl in front of himself, would they?????
Alec on June 15, 2006 at 9:51 PM