Rush Limbaugh: Let’s face it, Trump sounded like a liberal Democrat in some of the things he said at the debate

posted at 8:01 pm on February 15, 2016 by Allahpundit

At long last, the moment when Rush finally turned on Trump!

…Isn’t it?

Here we are in a Republican primary, and Donald Trump, out of the blue, starts blaming the Bush family for 9/11, for knowing that the intelligence was made up, that there never were any weapons of mass destruction, and they knew it, Trump said.

Michael Moore doesn’t even say that…

On the stage at a Republican debate, Donald Trump defended Planned Parenthood. Not the abortion stuff, he said, but the fact that they do great things for women’s health. Folks, there were a number of occasions where Donald Trump sounded like the Daily Kos blog, where Donald Trump sounded like the Democrat Underground, sounded like any average host on MSNBC.

Nailed him. But wait — why is Rush dropping the hammer on Trump now when he’s been at pains not to say that he’s an inferior choice to Ted Cruz or Marco Rubio? Rush praised Cruz last week as the closest we’ve come to Reagan since the great man passed, but even that apparent endorsement was qualified by him stressing that you should support Cruz “if conservatism is the dominating factor in how you vote.” Emphasis: “If.” Were Trump’s debate answers about 9/11, Iraq, and Planned Parenthood so egregious that even Rush is ready to drop the “if” and declare, categorically, that he’s unfit to be the GOP nominee?

Nope. Not yet, anyway. The clip below, cut by Team Cruz, naturally contains the most damning bits of what Rush said today but omits the part where he defended Trump’s motives. Maybe Trump wasn’t giving us his honest opinion, Rush suggests. Maybe he was pandering strategically to the center because he’s one step ahead of the game in South Carolina:

I said to myself, “Now, wait a minute. What’s going on?” Trump is not — I don’t care what any of you think, he’s not stupid. He has political advisors. He has a lot of people who are conservatives who are there to tell him where the boundaries are, and he crossed those boundaries on Saturday…

Short version, I think Trump strategically was making a move on independents and Democrats in South Carolina since it’s open. And I think that he wants to wrap this up ASAP. I think he wants a blow ’em out, going-away win in South Carolina. I think he just wants to wrap this up. I think he thinks he can…

So, Trump literally with Democrat lingo — liberal Democrat lingo — in the debate on Planned Parenthood, on the Iraq war, on 9/11, on weapons of mass destruction. Never before has he said it, but never before have we had an open primary yet. This is an open primary. Democrats and independents can cross and vote. If there’s something else going on here, that Trump lost control, and who he really is surfaced, then it was gonna happen at some point, and it happened on Saturday night. If that’s what really happened.

Going back to this morning’s post, where does that defense land in my debate with Ace over whether Trump’s Iraq answer will hurt him on the right or not? You could say it proves Ace right — if Rush Limbaugh is complaining on air that Trump sounds like Michael Moore and a dKos contributor, that’s probably not going to help him lock down any new conservative votes. My point in the earlier post, though, was that anyone who’s sufficiently well disposed towards Trump to consider backing him probably isn’t going to be turned by a few outre comments about Bush. The fact that even Rush is willing to let him off the hook on grounds that he’s making a strategic move suggests one way Trump fans might ease their cognitive dissonance over supporting a guy who believes something they don’t about Bush’s motives in Iraq. Maybe Trump simply didn’t mean it. Maybe he’s just playing eight-dimensional chess. He’s told us repeatedly that he’s capable of “changing” as needed to maintain his advantage over his opponents, right? Well, there you go. He did it again on Saturday night to lure independents. Maybe he really does believe that Bush lied about Iraq’s WMDs, just like maybe he really believes he’s going to deport everyone. Or maybe he’s saying that because he stands to benefit from it electorally, in which case we all must stand back and applaud his political genius. How can we hold a nasty, false attack on Bush against him — even as he screeches about Ted Cruz’s dirty pool — when he’s only doing what a winner would do?

That’s the first clip below. The second, which I couldn’t find anywhere else to put, is of an answer Trump gave today about Obama’s executive amnesty in which he appears at one point to say “I think it’s great” and then says only that he’ll take a look at it when asked if he’ll rescind it. Sounds mighty damning — but in all fairness, it looks like Trump’s simply out to lunch on the terminology of “deferred action.” He’s said many times that he’d blow up Obama’s executive amnesties; I think he just got confused here about what the reporter was referring to. Watch the answer anyway, though, as it’s a sterling example of why Trump is such a force in the primary. His response about wanting Americans to be “dreamers” is pure nationalism but it’s highly, highly effective, especially the segue into how little Obama and the Democrats have done for black voters. Everyone likes to crow over Trump’s poll numbers but you hear him say something like this and wonder how he could possibly be polling under 50 percent. Then you remember the 8,000 things he’s said to annoy you and think, “Oh, right.”



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Rush needs to get out more. Away from the Beltway punditry ivory tower where pundits think only they own the keys to the kingdom that houses the definition of conservative. Many conservatives became disenchanted with our prolonged and unsuccessful engagements in both Iraq and iran when it became clear we had no intention of doing what was necessary to win and win quickly.It was a mistake to go into Afghanistan without the intent to obliterate that cesspool. It was a mistake to go into Iraq with a suspect rationale,compounded by adherence to rules of engagement that heavily favored our enemy. Neocons are not the only conservatives Rush,although scarce in your elitist environs.

redware on February 15, 2016 at 9:42 PM

petunia on February 15, 2016 at 9:30 PM

A plurality in SC beg to disagree…

After debate, Trump still tops SC GOP presidential race

TRUMP 35%
CRUZ 18%
RUBIO 18%…

TheRightMan on February 15, 2016 at 9:44 PM

It kills me to admit it, but I’d feel safer with Shrillary than Trump.

BettyRuth on February 15, 2016 at 8:07 PM

Then you need to get your skull trepanned.

Bishop on February 15, 2016 at 9:44 PM

Conservative voters need to rally around CRUZ so the CODE PINKER Trump doesn’t win…..

Realdemocrat1 on February 15, 2016 at 9:44 PM

Jebo of the Bushies himself was Florida’s governor while many of the Saudi 9/11 hijackers were permitted to get drivers licenses and train freely in his state for their mission for Mohammad.

VorDaj on February 15, 2016 at 8:22 PM

You’re seriously going to hold Jeb Bush responsible for that?

So are we going to hold governors responsible for every criminal action undertaken by a driver’s license holder from their jurisdiction?

The problem with the 9/11 hijackers is that they got visas to come into the country in the first place.

The_Jacobite on February 15, 2016 at 9:45 PM

VorDaj on February 15, 2016 at 8:22 PM

Holy S !!! I don’t think I’ve seen stated what I’ve been thinking for the last 15 years.

I also believe that congress went to the defecrats in 2006, not because of the war in Iraq – which was reported as the cause of the loss for republicans, but instead Jorge Bush’s support for amnesty that was being pushed by, if I recall, the Gang of 8 at the time.

Remember? There were at least 2 attempts at amnesty during Jorge’s administration and he was supporting it every time.

And that was AFTER 9/11.

15 of the 19 hijackers on 9/11 were SAUDIS.

What does Jorge do? He attacks Iraq and takes windy, skippy walks, hand in hand with King Saud.

Ruckus_Tom on February 15, 2016 at 9:51 PM

Rubio LIED THROUGH HIS TEETH the other night at the debate about his GANG OF EIGHT AMNESTY Bill…..Rubio along with La Raza, ACLU, and Obama in secret for months crafting that thing without taking any amendments to it. They tried to slide that through The House and then straight to Obama’s desk……Mark Levin had Jeff Sessions on his show tonight and explained EVERYTHING about it….

Rubio is a LIAR!!!!

Realdemocrat1 on February 15, 2016 at 9:56 PM

Conservative voters need to rally around CRUZ so the CODE PINKER Trump doesn’t win…..

With a name like Realdemocrat1 I’m sure you know a lot about code pink!

I have lurked here for years and could never figure out why with all the liberal sites on the web you would insist on commenting here!

Since this is probably my last time commenting here, all you TDS’ers have done nothing but drive more to the one you hate. I have never seen such Vitriol for one person in my life. If only you would have been that way to the establishment maybe we would not be in the position we are today.

I will vote for Trump regardless what happens because I have toed the party line the last 12 years and gotten nothing in return except a good sh1tting on!

shamik on February 15, 2016 at 10:01 PM

Maybe he was pandering strategically to the center…

Too many Newcastles? WTF are you talking about … if Trump was pandering, he was pandering to the Kook Left, not the “center”.

Good grief, Dude.

Jaibones on February 15, 2016 at 10:10 PM

I’d really love to comment but, alas…

Bee on February 15, 2016 at 10:11 PM

shamik, I know all too well the RAVING LIBERALS and RINOS on all of the blogs you mentioned and I can tell for certain, REALDEMOCRATS are NOT WELCOME THERE…..Donald Trump and his Judge Sister are part of them. I understand how you feel about getting crapped on by RINOS….RINOS DESPISE CONSERVATIVES

Realdemocrat1 on February 15, 2016 at 10:17 PM

I will miss Jailbones’ clever summaries on the Sunday Morning shows as well as his insights on other issues. Job well done my man….

Realdemocrat1 on February 15, 2016 at 10:20 PM

Donald is a LUNATIC LIBERAL from New York and a rich FAT LIAR…..

Realdemocrat1 on February 15, 2016 at 10:22 PM

this was never about him winning. it was about him either losing to her in the general (he does in every poll) or going third party which also gives hillary the win. i do not like the clintons, but this was next level strategery convincing their friend to run as a republican.

smallwaukee on February 15, 2016 at 10:23 PM

I will miss Jailbones’ clever summaries on the Sunday Morning shows as well as his insights on other issues. Job well done my man….

Realdemocrat1 on February 15, 2016 at 10:20 PM

I think it was Jaibones..but don’t matter…he’s dead too.
Ed killed him and Allah laughed that unsettling and demon tinged laugh of his…you know what I mean.

Mimzey on February 15, 2016 at 10:25 PM

Feb 15, 2016 at 10:22 pm Realdemocrat1
Thank Gawd we have Cruz who only jets to NYC for NYC gay donor money armor of Christ activate

LeeBelieu on February 15, 2016 at 10:30 PM

Feb 15, 2016 at 10:23 pm smallwaukee
Yup and thankfully they don’t have a friend in the Republican version of the Clintons, the Bushes. And thankfully we have the House Freedom Caucus liberals in conservative clothing, but they check the right boxes at election time!

LeeBelieu on February 15, 2016 at 10:34 PM

Feb 15, 2016 at 10:17 pm Realdemocrat1
Was it Trump’s sister or Cruz’s stalwart conservative Roberts who guaranteed Obamacare not once but twice? TruCon™ with great judgement

LeeBelieu on February 15, 2016 at 10:37 PM

TrusTed

LeeBelieu on February 15, 2016 at 10:38 PM

TrusTed

LeeBelieu on February 15, 2016 at 10:38 PM

You’re losing it.

Mimzey on February 15, 2016 at 10:50 PM

Anyone who thinks this nasty, impulsive, juvenile man should be president has let his/her anger and ignorance overwhelm all reason.

Meredith on February 15, 2016 at 8:31 PM

A big portion of his supporters are people who are mad at having to hold their noses and vote for Rinos that have been foisted on them by the establishment, and their plan to get back at the establishment is to vote for yet another Rino, so they didn’t have much reason to lose anyway.

YourNameHere on February 15, 2016 at 10:55 PM

Feb 15, 2016 at 10:50 pm Mimzey
Lost it awhile ago I’m a Republican. Was it Trump who funded PP or Trump’s sister who twisted like a pretzel to save Obamacare?

LeeBelieu on February 15, 2016 at 10:55 PM

Feb 15, 2016 at 10:50 pm Mimzey
Was Roberts a TrusTed conservative™?

LeeBelieu on February 15, 2016 at 10:57 PM

Feb 15, 2016 at 10:55 pm YourNameHere
Why should the establishment be mad we’re embracing their logic going for the Northeast Moderate Republican with crossover appeal. Ain’t that what we need? They said it’s what we need

LeeBelieu on February 15, 2016 at 11:00 PM

Did love the hand wringing over liberal Trump appointing liberal Trumpette to the SCOTUS and not a moment of reflection on TruCon Cruz pumping TruCon/liberal Roberts or the impossibility of building a wall(ancients did it see Great Wall and Hadrian) and the accusation of cultists to Trump supporters being hoodwinked but not a whisper of how a TruCon Mr Smith Goes to Washington was gonna do a damn thing but like Obama his intellect and life story, not to mention Constitutional know how ethnicity and barely one term in the Senate, would melt the Uniparty and usher in the Golden Years cause you know he led a failed charge once or twice. We TrumpHumps can be as cynical as you Cruzaders

LeeBelieu on February 15, 2016 at 11:14 PM

Feb 15, 2016 at 10:55 pm YourNameHere
Why should the establishment be mad we’re embracing their logic going for the Northeast Moderate Republican with crossover appeal. Ain’t that what we need? They said it’s what we need

LeeBelieu on February 15, 2016 at 11:00 PM

So you;re saying the real reason Trump supporters were mad at the establishment was because McCain and Romney weren’t far enough to the left for them?

YourNameHere on February 15, 2016 at 11:18 PM

VorDaj angling for a postion in the Trump cult hierarchy.

His posts are way over the top, they remind me of a hard-core DU teenager.

Anyone not in his Trump fanboy club is insane, in his view.

Guaranteed, should Trump win and revert to form, he’ll be the first to claim he tried to warn us.

Just go on a drink that Trump-Ade.

Anti-Statist on February 15, 2016 at 11:40 PM

Rush, it only means one thing:

In 2004, many young-would-be-republicans became staunch liberal-Bush-lied-democrats because Bush [=read: whole administration] lied on the intel reports that he had received.

He led the people to war on the premise of WMD. He said it first, until he shifted to a more sanitized phrase “Iraq is a serious threat” when things didn’t go as he expected and the anti- Iraq war, including Trump, became too powerful to control. So convenient then, huh!

LET’S FACE IT RUSH: WE CONSERVATIVES SUPPORTED IRAQ WAR THAT, AMONG OTHER THINGS, GAVE US OBAMA, ISIS, AND THE DECIMATION OF THOUSANDS OF CHRISTIAN COMMUNITIES IN IRAQ. TRUTH IS, BUSH ALSO USED THE 9/11 SENTIMENT TO PUSH FOR HIS WAR. He used the murdered people in New York to pursue his agenda.

To liberate us, the conservatives and the Party from Bush’s murderous mistake, we have a decision to make: REPENT AND ACCEPT THAT, DEEP IN OUR HEARTS, BUSH LIED!

The alternative: Defend Bush until you die and see the real score when we will all be judged righteously in the end time by the One who knows it all!

CHOOSE!

Trump’s mistake? Rubio and Ted didn’t rub in. Trump could have just lied for the sake of winning. Well, he’s not Rubio, Ted and the entitled Jeb … that’s why he’s still leading despite the backlash.

TheAlamos on February 16, 2016 at 12:11 AM

Feb 15, 2016 at 11:18 pm YourNameHere
Of course no sarcasm at all wise one. And if Trump isn’t what was prophesied why’d they wish for him so hard?

LeeBelieu on February 16, 2016 at 12:40 AM

Violation of ceasefire doesn’t translate into a multi-year occupation, dismissal of Iraq Army, Spread Democracy, etc.

Bush did lie. He knew Saddam had nothing to hurt America. If he thought that, he would have bombed any wmd locations immediately.

cimbri on February 15, 2016 at 9:20 PM

Violation of the ceasefire translates into resuming the war. The war that was resumed was over Saddam’s invasion of Kuwait (with a side of having gassed the kurds). It was a multinational, UN led war.

The ceasefire was a mistake (obviously). What exactly the UN should have done is open to debate. Read the argument made for resuming the war and tell me which statement was a lie.

http://2001-2009.state.gov/secretary/former/powell/remarks/2003/17300.htm

Pythagoras on February 16, 2016 at 12:51 AM

http://patriotupdate.com/discovered-video-trump-1988-republican-convention-said-may-shock/

It is interesting to listen to this audio as many of his beliefs and statements are the same today. Listen to when Larry King asks him about other wealthy friends (re:donors) and he says they can’t stand him because he represents the the little guy, the taxi cab driver, and the street worker types…He has been saying that in this campaign and why he leads in the polls. Workers can see Trump is standing up for them.

g2825m on February 16, 2016 at 1:23 AM

Feb 15, 2016 at 11:18 pm YourNameHere
Of course no sarcasm at all wise one. And if Trump isn’t what was prophesied why’d they wish for him so hard?

LeeBelieu on February 16, 2016 at 12:40 AM

Oh, I’m sure that a lot of RINO establishment types love Trump because they know he’ll “deal” with them and their Dem buddies. But I still don’t get why some people think supporting him is a “protest” vote against the establishment(when, as you say, he’s what the establishment wanted; a center-left RINO).

YourNameHere on February 16, 2016 at 1:39 AM

A. Iraq war was not a mistake. There were mistakes made in its conduct which prolonged it and it took longer to create the opportunities intended, but eventually it did. The historic opportunity to turn things around for good and create the conditions for an islamic reform and democratic middle-east were squandered.
B. The alternative to Iraq war was more Saddam Hussein. We do not know where that would have lead, but he was certainly more capable than ISIS. While he didn’t have the ready stockpile of WMD expected – and yes everybody expected it to be there and Bush certainly did not lie when he believed what every intelligence agency in the world believed – he did retain the capability to build up his WMD arsenal as soon as the no-fly zone was lifted and he was free to retake Kurdistan.
C. ISIS is a symptom and while more dangerous than most terrorist groups before it, it is still just a terrorist group. Assad and Putin (and Iran) are the real problem in Syria. They, not ISIS, are the force currently driving millions of refugees into Europe which could at worst result in the disbandment of entire EU and a new world order much worse than what we have now. ISIS is just their foil at the moment which they won’t allow to be destroyed for as long as it is useful. Destroying it without altering the overall conditions will also only mean that another similar organisation will pop up.

kittysaidwoof on February 16, 2016 at 1:51 AM

kittysaidwoof on February 16, 2016 at 1:51 AM

Well said. I would like to add (in case anyone is ignorant of this fact):

D. Saddam Hussein had a long history of producing, stockpiling, and using biological weapons en masse. Biological weapons are a type of “weapon of mass destruction”(the WMD you were mentioning in point B, in fact).

Cheshire_Kat on February 16, 2016 at 2:16 AM

VorDaj angling for a postion in the Trump cult hierarchy.

His posts are way over the top, they remind me of a hard-core DU teenager.

Anyone not in his Trump fanboy club is insane, in his view.

Guaranteed, should Trump win and revert to form, he’ll be the first to claim he tried to warn us.

Just go on a drink that Trump-Ade.

Anti-Statist on February 15, 2016 at 11:40 PM

Yes. My personal opinion? The Trumpers helped burn down this here comment section. Helped, now, did not do it single-handedly. But certainly helped.

Grace_is_sufficient on February 16, 2016 at 3:13 AM

Rush don’t like anyone with a different opinion on his precious Bushes than his

Quit on Rush in 2012. Rush was getting too shill, whiny, and too much belching into his mic.

BigSven on February 16, 2016 at 6:31 AM

kittysaidwoof on February 16, 2016 at 1:51 AM

Late to the gab fest, but, yes, well said. I also believe that the war in Iraq had a little to do with a personal vendetta between the Bush’s and Saddam. You just don’t try to ‘off’ the ol’ man. what also threw big monkey wrenches into the whole affair was/is the endemic, tribe-driven corruption in Islam. Until Islam has a real Reformation, we should enter that maelstrom with eyes wide open and the cold, hard intent to kick ass, then leave.

vnvet on February 16, 2016 at 10:00 AM

I listen to Rush but lately wonder what he is really saying? Trump is Trump and frankly that is what we like and need. What’s going on with Rush is my question. Trump doesn’t speak nor act like a liberal at all since I live in the land of liberals (CA). Trump speaks as I do and I am now a Independent having learned that being a conservative elected those “conservatives” to betray us, ignore us, and turn their backs on us. Trump is OUR trumpet that will blow down the walls of Jericho. Vote America and stop rushing to either one side or the other, or we will have pure communism in the WH whether via Sanders or Hillary. For me it is not a tough choice because we need someone who is not owned, speaks for the rest of us, Rush, and the skills needed to get America back on track. In thinking again, the other day Rush was pushing Cruz and now downing Trump. Hmmm. Which way is it, Rush?

Roselle on February 16, 2016 at 11:39 AM

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