Open thread: Sunday morning talking heads

posted at 8:01 am on February 14, 2016 by Allahpundit

The delusion that Trump isn’t going to be the nominee will continue at least until the SEC primary on March 1st, so we’ve still got a few weeks left of hearing from the other candidates on Sunday morning. Today the spotlight belongs to Marco Rubio, who’ll appear on all five shows — the full Ginsburg — to try to undo the damage from the debate malfunction heard ’round the world. The only way to prove to voters that you’re not a talking-points robot is to sit for interviews and let reporters bomb you with questions, so that’s what Rubio’s doing. If he can scrape past Bush in South Carolina on Saturday and then somehow pull a win out of Nevada, he’s alive. Anything short of that and he’s likely dunzo. Also appearing this morning: John Kasich, who’ll be on “This Week” and “Meet the Press.” Kasich’s bizarre strategy, which will leave him as an also-ran in primary after primary until the race turns to the midwest next month, seems a bit less quixotic than it used to with Trump poised to win big in SC. If Trump cleans up in South Carolina and the south, Rubio will be finished and Cruz will be seen as weak in having failed to defend his stronghold. The only game in town at that point in terms of stopping, or slowing, Trump would probably be Kasich. If he wins in Ohio and Michigan, donors will start kicking in to his campaign and (some) anti-Trumpers will rally to him. That probably won’t be enough to catch Trump in delegates by the time of the convention but it might be enough to hold him under a clear majority depending upon how long Cruz continues in the race.

Trump himself will be on “Meet the Press” and “Face the Nation” this morning. And in the unlikely event that you’re more interested in the Democratic race, Bernie Sanders will appear on “This Week,” “Face the Nation,” and “Fox News Sunday.” He’s in a better position than Rubio is in his race, but if Sanders really does get blown out by Hillary in SC on the strength of the black vote, the CW will quickly congeal around the idea that he can force a long campaign on Hillary but can’t actually win. That’s why he’s doing so much media this morning. He needs every opportunity he can get this week to convince black Democrats in South Carolina to prefer him to Obama’s secretary of state. The full line-up is at the AP.


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Not blaming bush for 9/11, but he was given the same intel that clinton had.

Indiana Jim on February 14, 2016 at 9:22 AM

And this is what Bush did with it…

2000

And secondly, there is other forms of racial profiling that goes on in America. Arab-Americans are racially profiled in what’s called secret evidence. People are stopped, and we got to do something about that. My friend, Senator Spencer Abraham of Michigan, is pushing a law to make sure that, you know, Arab-Americans are treated with respect. – George Bush

And he did do something about that…

February 27, 2001

Earlier today I asked John Ashcroft, the Attorney General, to develop specific recommendations to end racial profiling. It’s wrong, and we will end it in America. In so doing, we will not hinder the work of our Nation’s brave police officers. They protect us every day, often at great risk. But by stopping the abuses of a few, we will add to the public confidence our police officers earn and deserve. – George Bush

And kept it up even after 3,000 Americans were incinerated on 911…

Was September 11 your toughest day as a public official?

Norman Mineta: No question it was.

On the next day, we had a Cabinet meeting, and Congressman David Bonior of Michigan said, “Mr. President, we have a very large Arab American population in the Detroit area, and they are very concerned about what is going to be happening, and they are afraid of racial profiling,” and the President said, “David, you are absolutely correct, and we don’t want happening to them what happened to Norm in 1942. On that following Monday, the 17th of September, he had a meeting with Arab American and Muslim leaders at the Islamic mosque and study center in Washington, D.C., in which he said, “We know who the terrorists are. They are not you as loyal American citizens or as faithful followers of the Muslim religion, so don’t worry about racial profiling.”

Bush as well as Clinton, were part of the reason that the Muslim terrorists who were in the US illegally were never dealt with.

sharrukin on February 14, 2016 at 9:37 AM

Trump saying bush lied about WMDs is his opinion.

No it’s not just an opinion, it’s a conspiracy theory. How many world leaders were in on the lie? How many in GWB’s cabinet were in on the lie? How many in the intelligence community were in on the lie? How many in the Defense Dept. was in on this lie?
See where I’m going?

lowandslow on February 14, 2016 at 9:37 AM

Portlandon. With all due respect. Was there any thing that trump said last night regarding WMD, iraq war, etc. that was, on its face, not true???

Indiana Jim on February 14, 2016 at 8:46 AM

You mean besides the known lie that all the Leftists have been peddling for over a decade that “Buish lied”? That was more than enough to show that Trump is Obama after a Chlorox dip.

SDN on February 14, 2016 at 9:40 AM

Trump is now literally running a “Bush lied, people died” campaign.

As a Republican.

And HotAir readers support him.

SMH

BKeyser on February 14, 2016 at 9:08 AM

Very sad, Trump wasn’t my first choice in the up coming primary in FL but thought I could support him in the general. After last night’s performance I’m really not sure that is true anymore. What a dilemma, as I take voting a duty required of good citizenship.

whbates on February 14, 2016 at 9:41 AM

No chance I will ever vote for him.

CW20 on February 14, 2016 at 9:35 AM

Then don’t. That’s that.

darwin on February 14, 2016 at 9:41 AM

All this rehashing of 9/11 conspiracy BS is getting ridiculous. Bush didn’t lie about WMD…most of the world’s intel said Saddam had WMD. Not to mention, there were numerous stockpiles of chem weapons that were found in various locations by US and Coalition troops…but that rarely is mentioned.

Trump’s statements about 9/11 and Bush were way out of line. I still find it incredibly mind-numbing that so many conservatives actually support that tool. It’s time to get serious…and we can’t do that if Trump continues to hold center stage.

JetBoy on February 14, 2016 at 9:32 AM

He bought the Intel. He used as a justification for his War. He owned it. And because he forced the whole Congress to believe it, and then later, it was found to be a false intel, that’s the meaning of the phrase:

BUSH LIED!

At least Trump is honest and never a liar to his own inner belief just to get a cheap point like Ted Cruz who is immediately using the death of SC Justice Scalia for his own advantage.

Evil Ted! He will use even the dead just to score big. And who’s tasteless now?

Trump was really upset of all the lies. Just like ordinary Conservatives being lied about by the media.

That’s Trump! HONEST!

TheAlamos on February 14, 2016 at 9:42 AM

What a dilemma, as I take voting a duty required of good citizenship.

whbates on February 14, 2016 at 9:41 AM

You could always swear you’ll never vote for him like some of the folks here.

darwin on February 14, 2016 at 9:42 AM

Things are not looking good.

The worst thing of all is the national debt. $20 trillion with anywhere from $100 trillion to $200 trillion in unfunded liabilities.

Next is the fact that we are now one Justice away from a liberal majority court. If Obama manages to appoint the next Justice, or if the Dems win the White House, we are absolutely screwed.

justltl on February 14, 2016 at 9:43 AM

Oh… Never ever give up your guns.
Bad things are on the horizon.

justltl on February 14, 2016 at 9:46 AM

What a dilemma, as I take voting a duty required of good citizenship.

whbates on February 14, 2016 at 9:41 AM

Yep. I’m glad I don’t have to vote for another month, but none of the remaining six excites me.

Syzygy on February 14, 2016 at 9:46 AM

It the GOPe allow Obama to replace Scalia it’s time…

For what would get me banned.

ConstantineXI on February 14, 2016 at 8:06 AM

Supposedly, a rather infamous Kentuckian just said something like this:

Majority Leader Mitch McConnell has released a statement, saying the vacancy should not be filled until Americans choose the next president.

“Today our country lost an unwavering champion of a timeless document that unites each of us as Americans. Justice Scalia’s fidelity to the Constitution was rivaled only by the love of his family: his wife Maureen his nine children, and his many grandchildren. Through the sheer force of his intellect and his legendary wit, this giant of American jurisprudence almost singlehandedly revived an approach to constitutional interpretation that prioritized the text and original meaning of the Constitution. Elaine and I send our deepest condolences to the entire Scalia family,” McConnell released in a statement. “The American people should have a voice in the selection of their next Supreme Court Justice. Therefore, this vacancy should not be filled until we have a new President.”

Difficultas_Est_Imperium on February 14, 2016 at 9:46 AM

For sometime now I have seen a lot of “burn it down” comments by Trump supporters. My guess is most of them don’t really support Trump but you know he will burn it down. I think he will, so you are voting for the right man. I won’t go there. You want to burn this country down do it without my vote.

CW20 on February 14, 2016 at 9:49 AM

Cruzs demeanor was dissapointing, IMO. He starts nodding his head before the question is even asked. Then never seems to answer the question directly. Not saying that other candidates do necessarily, i just dont think he should be given unworthy praise for being a “world class constitutional debater”.

Indiana Jim on February 14, 2016 at 9:54 AM

TheAlamos. Good point. The phrase “the buck stops with me” apparently only counts when trump says things that people dont agree with…..

Indiana Jim on February 14, 2016 at 9:56 AM

For sometime now I have seen a lot of “burn it down” comments by Trump supporters.

CW20 on February 14, 2016 at 9:49 AM

It’s interesting that many on the far left have the same idea: Burn it down, and we’ll remake it the way we want it. What neither side seems to understand is that it won’t be rebuilt exactly to their liking. In fact, the end result could be worse than what we have now.

Syzygy on February 14, 2016 at 9:57 AM

You want to burn this country down do it without my vote.

CW20 on February 14, 2016 at 9:49 AM

The country’s already burning. We’ll just have to put it out without you.

darwin on February 14, 2016 at 9:58 AM

In fact, the end result could be worse than what we have now.

Syzygy on February 14, 2016 at 9:57 AM

“Now” isn’t static. The left never stops. Unless the brakes are thrown on “now” will be worse tomorrow.

darwin on February 14, 2016 at 10:00 AM

sharrukin on February 14, 2016 at 9:37 AM

Nice to see you posting again.

Fallon on February 14, 2016 at 10:00 AM

CRUZ nodding his head shows he clearly understands the questions and answers with clear and concise answers….not with name-calling

Realdemocrat1 on February 14, 2016 at 10:00 AM

NO MORE BETA MALES IN THE WHITE HOUSE PLEASE!

[also, no foam partiers!]

Pragmatic on February 14, 2016 at 10:01 AM

Rubio is ALL IN on GANG OF EIGHT AMNESTY…..he authored it.

Realdemocrat1 on February 14, 2016 at 10:02 AM

For sometime now I have seen a lot of “burn it down” comments by Trump supporters. My guess is most of them don’t really support Trump but you know he will burn it down. I think he will, so you are voting for the right man. I won’t go there. You want to burn this country down do it without my vote.

CW20 on February 14, 2016 at 9:49 AM

We’ve seen your comments here.

You’re “guesses” and predictions have been stellar so far.

Keep digging.

Skipity on February 14, 2016 at 10:02 AM

Trump will lean against nominating Cruz because Cruz dared stand up to him (the offering the VP spot to Trump probably didn’t go over well either).

talkingpoints on February 14, 2016 at 8:56 AM

If nobody has clinched the nomination by the convention, Trump could make a deal with Cruz for the support of his delegates.

If Cruz thought he had no chance to win the nomination himself, he might well go to a Plan B as Associate Justice of the Supreme Court.

Younggod on February 14, 2016 at 10:02 AM

I just watched Newt on Fox News this morning and normally he is smarter than this. He said he does not understand why we are relitigating the Iraq War. He also thought it would hurt Trump in South Carolina. Maybe it will hurt because South Carolina is South Carolina, but he is dead wrong about discussing the Iraq War.

The reason why we must bring it up is because Jeb Bush, and Marco Rubio, are still saying the Iraq War was a glorious success that Obama blew by removing the troops. The implications are that we should repeat it again in Syria, perhaps return to Iraq, and try it in other places such as Libya and Yemen.

The reason the Iraq War was a mistake have been beaten to death, but it is not the reasons the Democrat opponents put forward. It was a mistake because we removed a secular dictator, bad as he was, and replaced him with a democratic republic. Under normal circumstances that is good, but when dealing with a country where most people believe in Islam, and a country that has massive sectarian divisions, it is bad strategy. It is a ticket to Islamic governance and destabilization, and both of which were occurring while our troops were still there.

It is impossible politically to ask American soldiers die for, and the voters to support a war like that for any extended period of time. You would be asking our military to defend an Islamic political system voted in by the Iraqi majority, and to keep them from killing each other in sectarian civil wars. You would also be asking the American to pay for that. That is an impossible task, and it led to Obama’s election. You can complain about Obama pulling the troops out, but Bush’s strategy of implementing an Iraqi democracy led directly to an Obama election. If your strategy is going to led to defeat, then what does it matter who put the final touches on that defeat. In this case the Bush strategy in Iraq led to the ultimate defeat for our mission in Iraq and the country: An election of a Progressive Leftist.

So now back to the current situation. Bush and Rubio want to replay the Iraq War by using ground forces in Syria to topple Assad. They are not interested in just doing in ISIS, or setting up some kind of stable military dictatorship like we find in Egypt. They want to give another crack at Islamic democracy in Syria and to give the majority Sunni population there the vote.

The majority Syrian Sunni Arabs will of course vote for Islamic governance, probably something on the order of the Muslim Brotherhood government that existed for a short time in Egypt. The Turks and the Saudis will influence the new government greatly, because Bush and Rubio are convinced they are American allies and will not doubt be part of their coalition. That means even more Islamism in daily life.

The consequences of repeating Iraq in Syria will be a disaster for the Christians living there, the Alawites, the Druze, and others. Our soldiers will be put into the difficult position of defending Islamist polices voted in by the Syrian Sunni Arabs, like child brides. Israel will have a hostile Sunni government on their border. Sectarian conflicts will naturally flare up and our troops will have to keep a lid on it, while being attacked by jihadists who will melt back into the population. The American people will grow tired of being there and that will be taken advantage of by the leftists. The Republicans will once again take it on the chin in elections losing congress, and then at last another progressive leftist will be elected president and withdraw the troops.

That is why it is important to talk and write about the Iraq War. If you want to avoid that you should not vote for Bush or Rubio…

William Eaton on February 14, 2016 at 10:02 AM

Therefore, this vacancy should not be filled until we have a new President.

From the IEEE’s Style Guide.

13.1 Shall, should, may, and can

The word shall is used to indicate mandatory requirements strictly to be followed in order to conform to the standard and from which no deviation is permitted (shall equals is required to). The use of the word must is deprecated and shall not be used when stating mandatory requirements; must is used only to describe unavoidable situations. The use of the word will is deprecated and shall not be used when stating mandatory requirements; will is only used in statements of fact.

The word should is used to indicate that among several possibilities one is recommended as particularly suitable, without mentioning or excluding others; or that a certain course of action is preferred but not necessarily required; or that (in the negative form) a certain course of action is deprecated but not prohibited (should equals is recommended that).

The word may is used to indicate a course of action permissible within the limits of the standard (may equals is permitted).

The word can is used for statements of possibility and capability, whether material, physical, or causal (can equals is able to).

IDontCair on February 14, 2016 at 10:04 AM

eon on February 14, 2016 at 8:59 AM

Agree completely.

For better or for worse, no one can argue that the Middle East, and indeed the rest of the world as regards the Middle East, would not look nearly as unstable today if GWB had not invaded Iraq.

Cleombrotus on February 14, 2016 at 10:05 AM

This burn it down stuff was fun, but some of us have to live in the ashes. The death is scalia makes this election a life or death decision on our Republic.

This is no time for experimental candidates. Trumps WMD tirade last night accusing the United States and our allies of lying to go to war threw our nation/allies under the bus, gave our enemies more ammo against us just to hit Jeb Bush, a guy polling in 5th place.

Trump has neither the temperament nor the understanding to understand the damage he’s done to US foreign policy last night.

When the Republican front runner is using talking points that can be found on protest signs at Code Pink, Occupy Movement, or other anti-American protests, there is a big problem.

portlandon on February 14, 2016 at 8:26 AM

+1

Gelsomina on February 14, 2016 at 10:07 AM

It will take a Conservative like Ted Cruz to get this country back on track and move forward by following the rules and having a president faithfully enforcing those rules….Immigration is a prime example of that. Cruz simply and correctly states that he will finish building the fencing at the border and enforce our current laws on the interior. Not hard to figure out.

TED CRUZ 2016

Realdemocrat1 on February 14, 2016 at 10:09 AM

For sometime now I have seen a lot of “burn it down” comments by Trump supporters. My guess is most of them don’t really support Trump but you know he will burn it down. I think he will, so you are voting for the right man. I won’t go there. You want to burn this country down do it without my vote.

CW20 on February 14, 2016 at 9:49 AM

the GOPe is not the country. its more like a parasite attached to the country and we have another on the dem side. burning it down is the cure.

nathor on February 14, 2016 at 10:09 AM

It’s interesting that many on the far left have the same idea: Burn it down, and we’ll remake it the way we want it. What neither side seems to understand is that it won’t be rebuilt exactly to their liking. In fact, the end result could be worse than what we have now.

Syzygy on February 14, 2016 at 9:57 AM

thinking like this means the uniparty establishment already won. we have to suck up to our elitist overlords because they know best how to keep the country on the rails(the rails that serve them, not us). ah! never!

nathor on February 14, 2016 at 10:13 AM

Donald showed his true LIBERAL COLORS last night by going full Code Pink. But don’t expect the Media Hacks to focus on his Code Pink talking points this morning. And, last night exposed all of the candidates showing their true colors of supporting AMNESTY for Illegal ALiens. The only two, last night, that did not support AMNESTY were Ted Cruz and Ben Carson.

Realdemocrat1 on February 14, 2016 at 10:14 AM

No chance I will ever vote for him.

CW20 on February 14, 2016 at 9:35 AM

so dont, and vote for hillary or sanders.

nathor on February 14, 2016 at 10:15 AM

He bought the Intel. He used as a justification for his War. He owned it. And because he forced the whole Congress to believe it, and then later, it was found to be a false intel, that’s the meaning of the phrase:

BUSH LIED!

Bush “forced” Congress to believe Saddam had WMD? With what…a Jedi mind trick? Good grief.

At least Trump is honest and never a liar to his own inner belief just to get a cheap point like Ted Cruz who is immediately using the death of SC Justice Scalia for his own advantage.

I don’t give a rat’s arse if Trump is “honest”…he’s nothing more than a side show act that somehow grabbed the center ring. To blatantly state that Dubya is in any way responsible for the 9/11 attacks is reprehensible. For cripes sake, Trump totally BS’ed about all those Muslims he saw on rooftops cheering the collapse of the WTC.

Evil Ted! He will use even the dead just to score big. And who’s tasteless now?

How exactly did Cruz use Scalia’s death to his own advantage?

Trump was really upset of all the lies. Just like ordinary Conservatives being lied about by the media.

That’s Trump! HONEST!

TheAlamos on February 14, 2016 at 9:42 AM

Again, I don’t give a dang if Trump is “upset”. He’s a clown. And I’d like to know what lies Cruz allegedly said.

JetBoy on February 14, 2016 at 10:19 AM

What makes anyone in the burn-it-down crowd think you’ll get what you want afterwards? It makes no sense to me. We are a very divided nation, and that isn’t going to change anytime soon (if ever).

Syzygy on February 14, 2016 at 10:22 AM

today the spotlight belongs to Marco Rubio, who’ll appear on all five shows — the full Ginsburg — to try to undo the damage from the debate malfunction heard ’round the world.

…it’s time to start using the term “the full Susan Rice”…Ginsburg’s efforts…were honorable ones.

JugEarsButtHurt on February 14, 2016 at 10:24 AM

Trump’s statements about 9/11 and Bush were way out of line. I still find it incredibly mind-numbing that so many conservatives actually support that tool. It’s time to get serious…and we can’t do that if Trump continues to hold center stage.

JetBoy on February 14, 2016 at 9:32 AM

“Michelle Malkin [email protected] 13h13 hours ago
Rubio sucking up to Bushes. Trump repeats line about WTC coming down. Should have brought up Saudi coddling & amnesty push, too.”

whatcat on February 14, 2016 at 10:24 AM

This is no time for experimental candidates. Trumps WMD tirade last night accusing the United States and our allies of lying to go to war threw our nation/allies under the bus, gave our enemies more ammo against us just to hit Jeb Bush, a guy polling in 5th place.

portlandon on February 14, 2016 at 8:26 AM

Actually Bush did sort of lie about the Iraq War, or at least people in his administration did. The idea of installing a democracy in Iraq has been around since the mid-1990s, Paul Wolfowitz being one of them. Their idea was the U.S. had to use its military power to push for a better world in a post-cold war world.

After 9-11, the Bush administration thought that Iraq would be a good place to plant the seed of democracy in the Islamic world. Of course WMDs were one of the reasons, a sort of cause that would rally the American people, but it was not prime point of the invasion, the real goal. If WMDs were the main cause we should have taken out Pakistan’s nukes, a country who supported the Taliban, and helped AQ. Instead we invaded the country which had a secular dictator, which had limited ties to AQ (considering AQ was out to get Saddam). It also explains Karl Rove’s strange behavior in covering up the WMDs that were found.

The goal was always something bigger…Democracy.

William Eaton on February 14, 2016 at 10:27 AM

katy the mean old lady on February 14, 2016 at 8:48 AM

I understand the impulse. I really do, but I think that will simply make it harder to get serious when the time does come.

Cleombrotus on February 14, 2016 at 10:37 AM

ConstantineXI on February 14, 2016 at 8:06 AM

The first thing they would do is shut down talk radio and rightwing websites, so there is no organization when they reverse prior 2nd Amen rulings.

Then it’s implementing international laws and nationalizing energy.

And it will all come with sweeping speed.

artist on February 14, 2016 at 10:43 AM

Trump supporters don’t have to “spin” his PP position.

Some of his supporters are pro-abortion democrats.

Some of his supporters are pro-abortion republicans.

We damned socons point out that Trump is pro-life and that his support for PP is not all-encompassing.

Donald Trump Defends Planned Parenthood
“They do good things that aren’t having to do with abortion.”

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-planned-parenthood_us_55caaf56e4b0f73b20bb1c53

IDontCair on February 14, 2016 at 10:45 AM

I understand the impulse. I really do, but I think that will simply make it harder to get serious when the time does come.

Cleombrotus on February 14, 2016 at 10:37 AM

I’ll manage.

katy the mean old lady on February 14, 2016 at 10:46 AM

eon on February 14, 2016 at 8:59 AM

William Eaton on February 14, 2016 at 10:02 AM

Yep.

justltl on February 14, 2016 at 10:46 AM

Cruz – Trump’s in the fever swamps of the left.

Now, I don’t like Cruz, but that’s nailing it.

rubberneck on February 14, 2016 at 10:47 AM

My position is that even if PP was strongly pro-life, it still should not get taxpayer dollars.

IDontCair on February 14, 2016 at 10:50 AM

I understand the impulse. I really do, but I think that will simply make it harder to get serious when the time does come.

Cleombrotus on February 14, 2016 at 10:37 AM

I’ll manage.

katy the mean old lady on February 14, 2016 at 10:46 AM

A distinctly American trait is the ability to laugh and to cry, to express anger and to joke, at the same time.

IDontCair on February 14, 2016 at 10:55 AM

My position is that even if PP was strongly pro-life, it still should not get taxpayer dollars.

IDontCair on February 14, 2016 at 10:50 AM

Yeah. That’s Rand Paul’s position too. And the position of most libertarians and constitutionalists.

But that’s not the position of a majority even of Republicans. And since Trump is running as a Populist who knows how to read polls, he’s gonna be the lone guy on stage who has a policy in line with what a majority of republicans want.

WYSIWYG with Trump.

Skipity on February 14, 2016 at 10:56 AM

Love these people that say they wont waste their vote on trump. Ok, so you probably wont go see another tarantino picture either. Who gives two shitz from a fat frogs azz?????

Indiana Jim on February 14, 2016 at 11:03 AM

Portlandon. Question. Seriously. Do you know why colin Powell was so upset with bush for making him deliver that speech in front of the UN??? Im just curious……

Indiana Jim on February 14, 2016 at 11:11 AM

John Nolte [email protected] 44m44 minutes ago
In 200 years the mummified remains of George Will & Cokie Roberts will be on Sunday shows telling the Establishment what they want to hear.

d1carter on February 14, 2016 at 11:12 AM

portlandon on February 14, 2016 at 8:26 AM

His decline picked up a lot of speed for me last night.

Cindy Munford on February 14, 2016 at 11:19 AM

so dont, and vote for hillary or sanders.

nathor on February 14, 2016 at 10:15 AM

.
Aside from his fantasies of building the Great Wall of Mexico and finding/ rounding up millions of illegals to deport…….
is there that much of a difference between Trump and the liberal choices you offer in your comment?
(WMDs, WTC and now PP aside, of course)

FlaMurph on February 14, 2016 at 11:37 AM

Trump is now literally running a “Bush lied, people died” campaign.

As a Republican.

And HotAir readers support him.

SMH

BKeyser on February 14, 2016 at 9:08 AM

Very sad, Trump wasn’t my first choice in the up coming primary in FL but thought I could support him in the general. After last night’s performance I’m really not sure that is true anymore. What a dilemma, as I take voting a duty required of good citizenship.

whbates on February 14, 2016 at 9:41 AM

This.

I won’t vote for him now – ever – because of this. And to see the idiots jumping on the “Bush lied” bandwagon here is quite enlightening… bolstered by a few posts offering things like “he bought the intel and used it to lead us to war.”

There is a stunning level of ignorance displayed by Trump and his followers who subscribe to this bullshit — WMD was one of several stipulations in the resolution to go to war with Iraq, it wasn’t the ONLY one. In fact one little known item mentions the illegal repression and detainment of Iraqi and foreign citizens, including an AMERICAN SERVICEMAN… you know, the kind of stuff every one here has been crowing about since (and prior to) the Iran deal was inked. Saddam Hussein was one of the largest funders of international terrorism, especially in the region — this in and of itself was a violation and something this country swore to eliminate in the wake of 9-11. But now this fat slob with a bad weave and zero knowledge of what he’s talking about says it and so-called “conservatives” are too happy to let it slide… and those people suck.

dpduq on February 14, 2016 at 11:47 AM

is there that much of a difference between Trump and the liberal choices you offer in your comment?
(WMDs, WTC and now PP aside, of course)

FlaMurph on February 14, 2016 at 11:37 AM

Much as it may pain you, 58% of Republicans support PP. It’s like 78% of the general population.

You know who’s funded it? Every president and congress since its inception (Including Reagan).

As to policy differences from Trump and libruls (other than building the IMPOSSIBLE FANTASY WALL):

https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions

You keep running with the “George Bush Kept us Safe” and “We justly went into Iraq because of WMDs” line.

That’s the bold future of the party for sure.

Trump > 40% in SC.

Skipity on February 14, 2016 at 11:51 AM

Consider this. Trump seems to me to be someone intent on doing the right things for Americans. This Planned Parenthood uproar may have more angles than fund, don’t fund.

In a military context, Trump has said repeatedly that he doesn’t want his generals or other American leaders out in public yakking about how they plan to defeat enemies. Now, I don’t believe for a minute that abortion is Trump’s highest priority. It’s probably not even his 20th. If that upsets you, vote for Marco or Cruz–and lose.

I consider myself pro-life, but I pick and chose my battles. I’m not about to dump on Trump about funding PP when GOP members of Congress didn’t have the stones to do so in December. Have you ever considered that while the conservative media covered the body-parts story, MSM barely touched. As a result, I seriously doubt many LIVs are aware of the story. And with the criminal charges in Texas, I suspect that many LIVs probably regard this as some Chicken-Little matter. What if Trump sees this and decides its not worth the effort to give Hillary and Dems a talking point when, if elected, he can focus attention on the body-parts scandal and force the media to cover it. It’s a lot easier focusing attention and directing resources from the White House than from our electronic devices.

BuckeyeSam on February 14, 2016 at 11:54 AM

I’ll manage.
katy the mean old lady on February 14, 2016 at 10:46 AM

Having read many of your posts, I have no doubt that you will.

But it’s the seriousness in those posts that convince me of that and not their lightheartedness.

Even your nic is a tell.

Cleombrotus on February 14, 2016 at 11:56 AM

There is a stunning level of ignorance displayed by Trump and his followers who subscribe to this bullshit — WMD was one of several stipulations in the resolution to go to war with Iraq, it wasn’t the ONLY one. In fact one little known item mentions the illegal repression and detainment of Iraqi and foreign citizens, including an AMERICAN SERVICEMAN… you know, the kind of stuff every one here has been crowing about since (and prior to) the Iran deal was inked. Saddam Hussein was one of the largest funders of international terrorism, especially in the region — this in and of itself was a violation and something this country swore to eliminate in the wake of 9-11. But now this fat slob with a bad weave and zero knowledge of what he’s talking about says it and so-called “conservatives” are too happy to let it slide… and those people suck.

dpduq on February 14, 2016 at 11:47 AM

Give it a rest, Bill Kristol.

The Iraq war cost $2,000,000,0000,000 and made the world less safe.

People understand that on a gut level regardless of your spirited debate team defense.

Trump will sling that Millstone around Hillary’s neck in the general election. You can try defending her vote to go into Iraq during the general election, or you can jump on the 40 state win Trump Train Express.

Skipity on February 14, 2016 at 11:57 AM

Trump got extra points from me because he diminished the entire Bush clan. The Toadies in the audience were a disgrace. Reince Priebus should be taken out to the corn field immediately.

Mr. Arrogant on February 14, 2016 at 11:58 AM

Combeback, indeed, toadies.

ktmol’s nic is perfect.

Schadenfreude on February 14, 2016 at 12:15 PM

Woe is Trump! 42%!

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/poll-south-carolina-still-solidly-for-donald-trump-hillary-clinton/

h/t fred5678 on February 14, 2016 at 11:36 AM

IDontCair on February 14, 2016 at 12:15 PM

According to our latest polls-plus forecast, Donald Trump has a 70% chance of winning the South Carolina primary.

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/election-2016/primary-forecast/south-carolina-republican/

IDontCair on February 14, 2016 at 12:22 PM

The funniest part of last night was not in the debate, but at Fox, after, when Jeb! lied to Bret Bair “I had a good night, I was the only one who beat up Trump”.

Bair, holding back his laugh “But, governor…”

“No, no, no one else went after him, and I…”

I grinned pretty good.

On the audience, wake up, a few of you.

The same happened last night.

Schadenfreude on February 14, 2016 at 12:27 PM

Nothing like good irony, for all you haters.

Schadenfreude on February 14, 2016 at 12:30 PM

This.

I won’t vote for him now – ever – because of this just like I felt before the debate.

dpduq on February 14, 2016 at 11:47 AM

Redstone on February 14, 2016 at 12:36 PM

My position is that even if PP was strongly pro-life, it still should not get taxpayer dollars.

IDontCair on February 14, 2016 at 10:50 AM

That, in a nutshell, is why Trump is no conservative. Anyone says he is, is in denial.

Trump doesn’t think we need smaller government and less cronyism- he thinks we need his version of big government and his cronies. He doesn’t see an expansive federal government as the problem- he sees the fact that he’s not at the controls of it as the problem.

That is the exact same attitude held by the GOPe and the Democrats. The only thing that sets Trump apart is crass language and a bad combover.

bettercallputin on February 14, 2016 at 12:37 PM

Skipity on February 14, 2016 at 11:57 AM

You mistake my post for something it’s not. I’m not a huge fan of any war that endangers our troops, but I do favor eliminating threats to our country. Easy to identify all of the problems with the Iraq war now in hindsight. Trot out all of Trump’s (and the DNC’s) talking points about the cost, instability in the region, etc. I’m not some neocon into nation building — I just call bullshit on intellectual dishonesty, and just plain stupidity where Trump is concerned… “DEALS-CHINA-MEXICO-JAPAN-VIETNAM (a new addition to his litany)-WALL-DISASTER-MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN.” The contrast between his answer to the first foreign policy question and Rubio’s immediately thereafter was striking. Helen Keller could have surmised that one (Trump) had no idea what he was talking about and the other (Rubio) actually had some working knowledge of the topic.

But Trump’s angry and so are “we,” so it’s OK if he doesn’t know anything about being CIC; it’s OK if he belittles a sitting senator for being a POW; it’s OK if he openly mocks a guy with a severe neurological disorder; it’s OK he makes fun of the way his political rivals look (oh, the irony); it’s OK if he insinuates that a woman who asked him a tough question is having her period; it’s OK if he has no idea what the nuclear triad is; it’s OK if he recites the talking points of Nancy Pelosi, Debbie Wasserman-Schultz and Michael Moore, et.al. on matters of foreign policy and national defense…. it’s OK because he’s Trump and he’s angry and so are “we”…

Good luck with that.

dpduq on February 14, 2016 at 12:45 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aaYBepvg2dU

Schadenfreude on February 14, 2016 at 1:58 PM

Much as it may pain you, 58% of Republicans support PP. It’s like 78% of the general population.

You know who’s funded it? Every president and congress since its inception (Including Reagan).

Skipity on February 14, 2016 at 11:51 AM

But that doesn’t make it any more right.

Planned Parenthood kills babies – full stop. It doesn’t matter what other “wonderful” things they do. Abortion is their main business, and they could not stay in business without doing it.

It’s disappointing that Donald Trump doesn’t seem to get it.

P.S. The polls vary on this question, depending on how the polling question is worded. Once it’s made clear that Planned Parenthood does perform abortions, support for funding them drops like a rock among Republican voters.

The_Jacobite on February 14, 2016 at 2:42 PM

He bought the Intel. He used as a justification for his War. He owned it. And because he forced the whole Congress to believe it, and then later, it was found to be a false intel, that’s the meaning of the phrase:

BUSH LIED!

TheAlamos on February 14, 2016 at 9:42 AM

But to say that someone is lying is to say that they are presenting information that THEY KNOW TO BE FALSE.

Has anyone ever shown that Bush did that? That Bush *knew* that Saddam’s WMD programs were only vestigial, when he was publicly claiming otherwise?

Look, the intel proved to inaccurate in many respects. But that *was* the intel. You can argue that a more prudent president would have demanded more confirmation, or held off to to find some other way to force Saddam to open up for inspections….but to say Bush lied about the intel is a serious charge.

The_Jacobite on February 14, 2016 at 2:46 PM

You guys wanted another Bush. (Don’t pretend you really support the ineligible Cubans.) If the Bush family had any guts or integrity, Jeb would have run in 200& or 2012. If Trump didn’t bring it up, you’d have lost the election.

ezspirit on February 14, 2016 at 3:19 PM

Trump responded to Jebo of the Bushies saving “My brother kept us safe”. Well, his fault or not or mixed bag, he didn’t.

And the following (*) is the mind set that Bush based his Islam/Iraq/Afghanistan policies on. How could his policies be good ones when based on depraved moronic insanity? Based on his deranged view of Islam and his Democracy Project/Leftist Sociology Experiment with America’s own troops as Lab Rats, Saudi Servant Bush cost America thousands of lives, thousands of limbs and trillions of dollars that we don’t have for nothing remotely worth the price paid.

* “Islam is a faith that brings comfort to a billion people around the world. It’s a faith that has made brothers and sisters of every race. It’s a faith based upon love, not hate. Mohammad’s word has guided billions of believers across the centuries, and those believers built a culture of learning and literature and science. All the world continues to benefit from this faith and its achievements. The Islam that we know is a faith devoted to the worship of one God, as revealed through he Holy Qur’an. It teaches the value and the importance of charity, mercy, and peace”.
– George W. Bush !!!

http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/infocus/ramadan/islam.html

George “Islam is Love, not Hate” was America’s Merkel and then some. Loving the one and despising the other is insanity.

VorDaj on February 14, 2016 at 3:20 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Usb0iE5WiZI

Schadenfreude on February 14, 2016 at 4:14 PM

Reality check for the haters

Schadenfreude on February 14, 2016 at 4:22 PM

I have the same distrust of Rubio that I do for Congress in general. He claims he isn’t for amnesty– but look what he said in a Spanish language interview, while saying the exact opposite in English later.

“Well, DACA is going to have to end at some point. I wouldn’t undo it immediately. The reason is that there are already people who have that permission, who are working, who are studying, and I don’t think it would be fair to cancel it suddenly. But I do think it is going to have to end. And, God willing, it’s going to end because immigration reform is going to pass.” Immigration reform, of course, being a euphemism for amnesty.

I get so tired of politicians talking out of both sides of their mouths. Apparently Mr. Rubio thinks no one in the conservative base speaks Spanish.

Would it be so bad if the leaders we elect had America’s best interests at heart instead of everyone else’s?

hachiban on February 14, 2016 at 4:43 PM

RNC-under-fire-over-debate-audience-stacking-as-local-gop-chairman-confirms-party-donors-get-debate-tickets.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/02/14/rnc-under-fire-over-debate-audience-stacking-as-local-gop-chairman-confirms-party-donors-get-debate-tickets/

will13smith on February 14, 2016 at 4:46 PM

If Donald Trump was not a billionaire he would be a raving maniac street person. And we would all lock our car doors if he came near. The look in his eyes… he is not all there.

It was terrifying to see that people actually are ready to vote for a mad man. Simply terrifying.

petunia on February 14, 2016 at 5:58 PM

Nice try petunia. Its people like you and your ilk that have allowed it to get so bad that we have no other choice.

Indiana Jim on February 14, 2016 at 6:29 PM

You sound just like glen beck. The holier than thou moron whos company is going bankrupt, yet still manages to buy million dollar cars while laying of dozens of employees. Lol!!!

Indiana Jim on February 14, 2016 at 6:31 PM

Anybody and everybody thats ready to vote for him is a total moron and stupid azzhole, and youre the only smart one. Go get a clue, if possible……..

Indiana Jim on February 14, 2016 at 6:42 PM

Make this travel, pls.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zyp0x-cNuyE

Schadenfreude on February 14, 2016 at 10:55 PM

Anybody and everybody thats ready to vote for him is a total moron and stupid azzhole, and youre the only smart one. Go get a clue, if possible……..

Indiana Jim on February 14, 2016 at 6:42 PM

I understood the impulse, until last night.

I dismissed the rumours of paid actors at his first rallies… I tried to believe he was a true convert… but that thing last night was ridiculous.

I thought Trump was better than Cruz with his god complex. But I was wrong.

Donald Trump is insane. He is so rich no one says no to him. If he had no money, his daddy’s little loan of a million dollars in what the 70s? So it’s 5 times that in today’s money…. without that… he’d be just like any of the raving lunatics you cross the street to avoid.

Anyone who can’t see the mental illness in Donald Trump is lying to themselves.

Weird prophecy or not, if Rubio can’t do it, then it will have to be Cruz. And America has got to wake up! Trump is a danger to himself and to us, he should be committed.

petunia on February 14, 2016 at 11:40 PM

should be committed.

petunia on February 14, 2016 at 11:40 PM

…we’ll come visit you!

JugEarsButtHurt on February 14, 2016 at 11:57 PM

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