Rubio: Unlike Obama, my administration isn’t going to ram amnesty down your throat

posted at 4:01 pm on February 12, 2016 by Allahpundit

I’m … not sure why we should believe the guy who got elected to the Senate denouncing earned citizenship as code for amnesty and then turned around in 2013 and co-wrote an “earned citizenship” bill. The list of Rubio deceptions on immigration is very long indeed.

But since the hour is late and Trumpageddon will soon be upon us in South Carolina, here’s Rubio kinda sorta trying to reassure border hawks for your voting consideration.

“I think people will be reasonable but responsible how to deal with that, but it’s got to be something that the American people support — it can’t be something we ram down their throat and say, ‘This is the way it’s going to be,’” he said.

Rubio vowed that he wouldn’t do anything on immigration until the he secured the border in a way that the American people could “believe and see with your own eyes.”

“We’ll see what you’ll support, we’re not going to ram it down your throat,” he said.

He pointed out that President Obama was doing it backwards by offering amnesty to children of legal immigrants without securing the border. Human traffickers took advantage of the situation, he explained, by lying to parents in Latin American countries about what was possible and creating an influx of illegal immigrants.

As far as I’m aware, Rubio has never categorically rejected a comprehensive deal on immigration, even after he started running away from the Gang of Eight bill. He’s said many times that he favors a “security first” approach right now, because Obama’s executive amnesty destroyed the Democrats’ credibility as honest brokers. But that’s a personnel problem, not a matter of principle. Change the personnel in the White House and maybe comprehensive reform is viable again. What he seems to be saying here, though, is that even President Rubio would have little choice at this point but to insist on “security first” instead of comprehensive reform. If you take him at his word, that’s a positive development. (It’s also yet another case, a la Cruz shifting from being open to legalization to ruling it out under any circumstances, of Trump pushing the rest of the field to the right on amnesty.) But that gets us back to the problem of taking him at his word. There are ways to fudge the idea of “security first”; one proposal kicked around Washington over the years is to hold off on legalizing anyone until Congress passes a plan to secure the border, not until the border is actually secure. Rubio seems to be promising more than that here by emphasizing improvements you can “believe and see with your own eyes,” but his pal Chuck Schumer isn’t going to happily acquiesce to that. What will the compromise be on measurable improvements? One or two months of data showing a higher rate of deportations, say? A flat number of new hires for the Border Patrol? Realistically, border hawks should want to see several years of security improvements before legalization is taken up. That’s not going to happen so long as Democrats have 41 seats in the Senate. And Democrats have never had fewer than 41 seats in the Senate.

The best argument you can make for believing that Rubio’s more of a border hawk now than he used to be is that a man who’s been punched in the face repeatedly for three years over something he did wrong may well have a certain clarity about not repeating that wrongdoing in the future. For Rubio, that’s arguably doubly true: Not only did he take a beating from the right as a senator, he’s stuck playing catch-up with Ted Cruz in presidential polls even though his favorables are extremely high and he’s widely seen as the most “electable” Republican in the race. However much he may yearn for amnesty in his heart, there’s at least an argument that he’s learned to fear conservatives sufficiently — especially after the Trump tsunami — that he doesn’t dare repeat his old mistake again as president. The counterargument to that is that Paul Ryan is more of a true blue amnesty fan than Boehner was and might look to force the issue of amnesty onto Rubio’s plate as president. That’s a risk, but of course Ryan is watching the polls in New Hampshire and South Carolina too. His House majority right now is about as large as it can realistically get. There’s nowhere to go but down, and given the propulsion Trump is getting from immigration, a new amnesty bill would be a really obvious way to jeopardize that House majority by convincing lots of Republicans to stay home in 2018. I used to think that, if Rubio became president, he’d try for immigration reform early in his administration, when he can take advantage of his honeymoon period with voters to minimize the ferocity of the backlash. (He’d want to do it as far away from an election as possible, which means 2017 instead of 2018 or even 2019, when Rubio would be thinking about reelection.) Now, after Trump, I don’t know. Even if Trump were to collapse tomorrow, this has been a near-death experience for the modern Republican coalition. Responding to Trumpmania by pushing another comprehensive reform bill right out of the chute would be de facto suicide by the GOP leadership, one last blaze of RINO glory before the whole party shatters. It’s at least arguable that even a Gang of Eight alum like Rubio has learned his lesson from his own near-death experience in the primaries. If only we could trust him.


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Lie to me.

artist on February 12, 2016 at 4:03 PM

Not again, anyway.

Cicero43 on February 12, 2016 at 4:04 PM

Lucy… football…
Rubio… amnesty…

dominigan on February 12, 2016 at 4:05 PM

Throat? Hell no. Right up the old rear.

katy the mean old lady on February 12, 2016 at 4:07 PM

“However much he may yearn for amnesty in his heart, there’s at least an argument that he’s learned to fear conservatives sufficiently…”

Sure. Until five minutes AFTER he’s elected. Then he’ll have more “flexibility.”

Agent Cooper on February 12, 2016 at 4:07 PM

Trumpageddon-i like it.

gerrym51 on February 12, 2016 at 4:07 PM

Nope, he’s going to work with his pal Schumer to get congress to pass it and then sign it into law.

bgibbs1000 on February 12, 2016 at 4:07 PM

Let’s not find out. And by the way, amnesty is not your only sin.

Jeffrey on February 12, 2016 at 4:08 PM

Rubio: Unlike Obama, my administration isn’t going to ram amnesty down your throat

“No, no, I’ll just hold one of your hands, while Schumer holds the other, and we’ll make you eat that, one spoon at a time, nice ‘n slow, until it’s all down”.

Benedict Arnold, bilingual liar, without a prompter, to all he ever met.

Schadenfreude on February 12, 2016 at 4:08 PM

Translation: We’ll grease it up and be gentle.

Madd_Addam on February 12, 2016 at 4:09 PM

Dry, hand full of sand. BOHICA baby and SMILE.

Bye Rubio.

RealMc on February 12, 2016 at 4:10 PM

“Oh, what may man within him hide,
though angel on the outward side”

chimney sweep on February 12, 2016 at 4:10 PM

His Number One problem is the fact that he betrayed all he ever met.
He betrayed his friend, Jeb Bush, who supported him morally and sent him a check even, in his FL congressional and senatorial, state and federal endeavors.
He betrayed the TEA party, who worked avidly to make him Senator of FL, instantly, as soon as he saw the big columns in DC.
He betrayed legal Americans and America with his Gang of Eight.
He still betrays the two, above, when he speaks in Spanish to Jorge Ramos and tells 180 degrees different on amnesty, saying in Spanish that he’ll “keep president Obama’s amnesty deal”, but tells the viewers in English that he wouldn’t.
He betrayed all the FL residents by being absent from DC and not performing his senatorial duties, in pursuit of yet another position.
He never has staying power for more than a few months, after he wins any position.
The media all call him an “establishment insider candidate“. He ran for the senate as an outsider, in the TEA party, and was a total deceiver as soon as he hit DC.
He is, in simple words, Benedicto Arnold to all he ever met, depending on what his incredible political ambitions are.
His second biggest problem is inexperience in the real world.
He has never produced or built anything. He was a lawyer for a very brief time. Other than that he has never even run a taco stand.
Punkolito, only a man in the eyes of Marcus, terryannonline and the GOPe squishes, who are as traitorous as all the leftie ones.

Schadenfreude on February 12, 2016 at 4:11 PM

If only we could trust him.

Frame it

No se puede

Schadenfreude on February 12, 2016 at 4:12 PM

my administration

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IDontCair on February 12, 2016 at 4:12 PM

Will say anything to win an election.

El_Terrible on February 12, 2016 at 4:13 PM

:)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dRWIj6os4L4

Schadenfreude on February 12, 2016 at 4:13 PM

Well at least it appears that politicians may at least be trying to pretend to hear their citizenry/ATMs. So that is good news I suppose.

LeeBelieu on February 12, 2016 at 4:14 PM

liar.

johngalt on February 12, 2016 at 4:16 PM

The low information voters will believe him.
I’m not one of them.
He’ll be remembered for drinking alot of water.

Belle on February 12, 2016 at 4:16 PM

my administration isn’t going to ram amnesty down your throat

That’s because the pajama boy isn’t going to ever be president.

Dick Richard on February 12, 2016 at 4:20 PM

What makes him think people want amnesty no matter how he serves it up?

whatcat on February 12, 2016 at 4:20 PM

Rubio: Unlike Obama, my administration isn’t going to ram amnesty down your throat

Translation: I’m going to ram it up your……

libfreesMom on February 12, 2016 at 4:23 PM

“We will listen to your concerns, ultimately ignore them, and then pass amnesty on Christmas Day when no one is looking.”

Bishop on February 12, 2016 at 4:24 PM

Unlike Obama, my administration isn’t going to ram amnesty down your throat

From a an expert in that field of study.

Oil Can on February 12, 2016 at 4:25 PM

What’s worse”

Voting for a bill…or giving money to people to vote for the bill?

Or are they the same…

right2bright on February 12, 2016 at 4:29 PM

Translation: I’m going to ram it up your……

libfreesMom on February 12, 2016 at 4:23 PM

Also an expert in that field of study.

Oil Can on February 12, 2016 at 4:29 PM

If only we could trust him.

And these 6 words describe the entire problem with Rubio.

Once you’ve betrayed trust, it takes a LOT to get it back. Mere words aren’t going to cut it, Mr. Rubio, which means it is impossible for you to earn my vote this year.

makattak on February 12, 2016 at 4:31 PM

Every time he says that he winks.

“I will not ram amnesty down Americas throat!!” *wink

jhffmn on February 12, 2016 at 4:31 PM

Rubio is stillborn – has been from the beginning. The other faux latino, Cruz, is done. He just stuck a fork in himself with his renewed attack approach on Trump, and the major mistake of yanking the ad. To the question of Ms. Lindsay’s diverse film portfolio, his team’s response should have been simply: “So? What’s your point?” He cannot recover from that mistake.

Even Trump figured out that after Iowa, and most particularly after NH, that the next course is the high road. And tough as it will be for him, he’s taking it. He knows it’s time to get presidential – the street fighting is nearing a close. As for amnesty, I doubt anybody believes any admin will fix that problem.

Skip2014 on February 12, 2016 at 4:31 PM

complete bs from waterboy. that phony “the border governors will determine if the trigger is met” bullsheet means that “security” would be attained by the whim, the word from a few dem or RINO govs, loaded down with big contributions from Chamber dough-nor$, that also would have an in-state, demographic activist political reason to say “oh sure , the border is now secure”, proceed with the amnesty

Senator Philip Bluster on February 12, 2016 at 4:32 PM

Rubio: Unlike Obama, my administration isn’t going to ram amnesty down your throat

Right – because there will not be a Rubio administration.

labrat on February 12, 2016 at 4:33 PM

Rubio, Cruz have fierce exchange over immigration policies at CNN debate
Washington Free Beacon
Washington Free Beacon
Dec 15 2015
*************

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3cPwChgMfs

canopfor on February 12, 2016 at 4:33 PM

Carrier workers’ rage over move to Mexico caught on video

by Ahiza Garcia @ahiza_garcia February 12, 2016: 12:10 PM ET

The manufacturing plant and the distribution center will be relocated to Mexico over a three year period.

300 employees will be retained in Indianapolis as the resident production team headquarters, along with the engineering team, of the current 1400 people employed at the production plant and distribution center.

Labor will be done in Mexico, about a thousand plus jobs, minimum, will be leaving Indianapolis.

Why?

Cheap labor and fewer and less onerous environmental and labor restrictions and regulations.

How cheap?

Carrier’s parent company, United Technologies, has offered this to some of the soon to be former employees, for a limited time:

After the move, some employees may be eligible for limited-time benefits such as the Employee Scholar Program. It covers employees’ college tuition, books and fees for up to four years.

Add in the cost of transporting materials, parts, and finished products.

That cheap.

It’s time to make it too costly for companies to lay off their American employees and move jobs to foreign nations to exploit their labor market while keeping their executive staff safely and comfortably ensconced in this nation.

thatsafactjack on February 12, 2016 at 4:34 PM

Rubio: Unlike Obama, my administration isn’t going to ram amnesty down your throat.

We’ll ease it down with a little foam.

xblade on February 12, 2016 at 4:34 PM

2024 is a long ways away…

mjbrooks3 on February 12, 2016 at 4:36 PM

Well sneak it in when you aren’t looking!

Bet on February 12, 2016 at 4:36 PM

“Down your throats” is an oft used line by Rubio…

…hhmmmmmm

mjbrooks3 on February 12, 2016 at 4:37 PM

Once the pathway to citizenship is codified, border enforcement can simply be ignored by the next Democrat president because impeachment will be off the table.

The next Obama can just chose to leave the gate open even if a fence is constructed.

Say no to Rubio or anyone like him.

Valiant on February 12, 2016 at 4:37 PM

Hes out!!!!!
——————

2016 US ELECTIONS
2m

Former Virginia Gov. Jim Gilmore says he is suspending presidential campaign – Washington Examiner
read more on washingtonexaminer.com

canopfor on February 12, 2016 at 4:38 PM

Never mind he has already said he’ll keep Obama’s amnesty EOs in place until amnesty gets passed officially. In other words, he’ll ram it down our throats exactly like Obama.

xblade on February 12, 2016 at 4:38 PM

The irony for Trump supporters is that they’re mistrustful of Rubio (and rightly so in many ways) when Trump is playing them for fools. It’s like being wary of a guy stole a quarter when another guy is stealing the $100 bill in your back pocket.

Rubio’s not perfect, but he’s Republicans’ best shot to win in November.

Spannerhead on February 12, 2016 at 4:38 PM

Breaking:

My sons 7th grade class: 50% Trump / 50% Sanders

mjbrooks3 on February 12, 2016 at 4:38 PM

AllahP,

Make Paragraph Spacing Great Again

mjbrooks3 on February 12, 2016 at 4:40 PM

“Unlike Obama, I don’t know what I’m doing. Let’s dispel with this notion that I’m a serious candidate, and not just treading water to be selected as Jeb’s VP after the Brokered Convention. Did I mention that a Brokered Convention would be fun?”

Buckshot Bill on February 12, 2016 at 4:41 PM

Hes out!!!!!
——————

2016 US ELECTIONS
2m

Former Virginia Gov. Jim Gilmore says he is suspending presidential campaign – Washington Examiner
read more on washingtonexaminer.com

canopfor on February 12, 2016 at 4:38 PM

OMG, this is devastating to his supporters. both of them. wonder who he will endorse. that could sway the race.

Senator Philip Bluster on February 12, 2016 at 4:42 PM

The irony for Trump supporters is that they’re mistrustful of Rubio (and rightly so in many ways) when Trump is playing them for fools. It’s like being wary of a guy stole a quarter when another guy is stealing the $100 bill in your back pocket.

Rubio’s not perfect, but he’s Republicans’ best shot to win in November.

Spannerhead

Win what, amnesty for illegals guaranteeing dems win forever? I’ll pass.

xblade on February 12, 2016 at 4:43 PM

“We’ll see what you’ll support, we’re not going to ram it down your throat,” he said.

You don’t know what we support by now?

darwin on February 12, 2016 at 4:45 PM

If Chuck Schummer came to President Rubio with a plan and said “this time we’ve left out amnesty. I promise” it would be taken up in a New York minute no matter what was in the bill. The security first part of it could simply be a pledge to hire 10 million new Border Patrol agents and build a wall 200 feet high. Once the bill became law, all of a sudden there simply isn’t enough money for the fence or the hires that we thought there would be. You do care about the deficit, don’t you? And that “no amnesty” clause would either be held up in court for 25 years or re-defined into something else: “Amnesty doesn’t mean that, it means this, which we would never do.” We’ve seen it all many times before.

Fred 2 on February 12, 2016 at 4:45 PM

Gilmore is out? I wonder who’ll get his followers?

The Friday afternoon news dump.

/s

tej on February 12, 2016 at 4:45 PM

Win what, amnesty for illegals guaranteeing dems win forever? I’ll pass.

xblade on February 12, 2016 at 4:43 PM

I think there’s a greater chance of Trump granting illegals amnesty than Rubio.

Rubio’s been sufficiently chastised for it and would operate within the bounds of the Constitution. Trump has bragged about his mutability once elected, and has no understanding or regard for the Constitution.

Spannerhead on February 12, 2016 at 4:49 PM

Rubio vowed that he wouldn’t do anything on immigration until the he secured the border in a way that the American people could “believe and see with your own eyes.”

Good grief. He wouldn’t do anything until the border has been secured?

How about enforcing the damn law?

darwin on February 12, 2016 at 4:50 PM

No he won’t ram it down our throats.

He’ll put a roofie in our drink at a foam party and we’ll wake up with hemroids and AIDS.

Skipity on February 12, 2016 at 4:56 PM

See. The Republicans need to pass some sort of immigration reform to ever win another election again. Trumpkins might win the primaries, but he is going to go down in flames with the General Election. The losses with minorities will be so bad that the Republican’s hand will be forced on immigration even more than it is now. The Republican House will actually lose seats in 2016. I don’t see how the Dold’s seat in IL or Cureblo’s seat in FL stay with the Republicans after the November landslide electoral disaster. So Rs will either shut up and pass reforms or they will lose their viability is a party. If the base considers to have a prolonged racist tantrum over this, then I hope they enjoy never winning another national election – two terms of Hillary followed by Julian Castro. Likely something will pass but the terms will be less favorable than the Gang of Eight deal and much less favorable than a President Rubio deal. But hey, we needed to cut off our nose to spite our face.

Illinidiva on February 12, 2016 at 4:59 PM

Unlike Obama, my administration isn’t going to ram amnesty down your throat

I believe Marco.

He’s going to shove it up our asss.

Nomennovum on February 12, 2016 at 5:02 PM

The counterargument to that is that Paul Ryan is more of a true blue amnesty fan than Boehner was and might look to force the issue of amnesty onto Rubio’s plate as president.

Ryan’s ascension greatly damaged Rubio’s chances. Only a madman would trust those two together.

Responding to Trumpmania by pushing another comprehensive reform bill right out of the chute would be de facto suicide by the GOP leadership, one last blaze of RINO glory before the whole party shatters. It’s at least arguable that even a Gang of Eight alum like Rubio has learned his lesson from his own near-death experience in the primaries. If only we could trust him.

This is true. It is quite remarkable that the GOPe is still so arrogant that Rubio and ¡Jeb! have yet to adopt pro-American immigration postions, despite the catastrophic effects on their campaigns.

The biggest lesson of “Trumpmania” should be, “no comprehensive immigration reform/amnesty bill, ever”, as well as the idea that the GOP needs to move past the neo-con nation building and lopsided trade deals of the Bush years.

Redstone on February 12, 2016 at 5:03 PM

Electing Rubio would be betting the country on Rubio not passing amnesty. Because if we get amnesty, the country’s gone.

I’m not willing to bet the country on Rubio’s trustworthiness.

CatoRenasci on February 12, 2016 at 5:03 PM

The guy is lair.

moebius22 on February 12, 2016 at 5:03 PM

Rubio’s been sufficiently chastised for it and would operate within the bounds of the Constitution.
Spannerhead on February 12, 2016 at 4:49 PM

Rubio was “operating within the bounds of the Constitution” when he tried to screwover America with Schumer. He cannot be trusted.

whatcat on February 12, 2016 at 5:06 PM

See. The Republicans need to pass some sort of immigration reform to ever win another election again.

Many voters would much rather destroy the GOP, which has done little of note that is positive recently, than make the catastrophic error of an irreversible amnesty bill.

The “demographics” changed because of the 1965 and 1986 bills, another bill would exacerbate the problem.

And Trump (of course) is polling better with minorities than any other candidate.

Redstone on February 12, 2016 at 5:07 PM

He cannot be trusted.

whatcat on February 12, 2016 at 5:06 PM

Fair enough, but here’s the question: Do you trust Trump more than Rubio? I sure as hell don’t.

Spannerhead on February 12, 2016 at 5:08 PM

If the base considers to have a prolonged racist tantrum over this, then I hope they enjoy never winning another national election –

Illinidiva on February 12, 2016 at 4:59 PM

Racist tantrum over what? Please explain what people might be upset about.

darwin on February 12, 2016 at 5:09 PM

The Republicans need to pass some sort of immigration reform to ever win another election again.

This is called “feminist logic*.” It’s girl logic on stilts.

What the philosopher queen is saying is that if we don’t make the 11 – 30 million illegal aliens that are here citizens, who, given the overwhelming weight of the evidence from past elections, will surely vote 85% – 95% Democratic, and then bring more of them in on top of that, the Republicans will never win another election.

What word in the preceding sentence DON’T belong? (Hint: I just capitalized the word.)

__________________________
* Granted, every cvckservative believes it too in his pvssy little heart.

Nomennovum on February 12, 2016 at 5:12 PM

Racist tantrum over what? Please explain what people might be upset about.

darwin on February 12, 2016 at 5:09 PM

Trumpkins appeals to nativists who want to end all immigration to the US.

Many voters would much rather destroy the GOP, which has done little of note that is positive recently, than make the catastrophic error of an irreversible amnesty bill.

The “demographics” changed because of the 1965 and 1986 bills, another bill would exacerbate the problem.

And Trump (of course) is polling better with minorities than any other candidate.

Redstone on February 12, 2016 at 5:07 PM

And you think that Hillary Clinton is going to advance your cause? Does one party Democratic rule sound fun?

Oh and Trumpkins won’t be winning any minority voters. Do you think that the black community is going to go for someone who has inferred that Obama isn’t a citizen? Do you think that the Latino community will be going for someone who says that they are all rapists and wants to go around with goon squads looking to deport people? Nope.

Illinidiva on February 12, 2016 at 5:15 PM

Illinidiva on February 12, 2016 at 4:59 PM

Do tell us racist rubes what a concerned Republican you are and how this considered opinion of yours is in our best interests as a party and movement.

Nomennovum on February 12, 2016 at 5:15 PM

This is called “feminist logic*.” It’s girl logic on stilts.

What the philosopher queen is saying is that if we don’t make the 11 – 30 million illegal aliens that are here citizens, who, given the overwhelming weight of the evidence from past elections, will surely vote 85% – 95% Democratic, and then bring more of them in on top of that, the Republicans will never win another election.

What word in the preceding sentence DON’T belong? (Hint: I just capitalized the word.)

__________________________
* Granted, every cvckservative believes it too in his pvssy little heart.

Nomennovum on February 12, 2016 at 5:12 PM

Okay. Then enjoy one party rule.

Do tell us racist rubes what a concerned Republican you are and how this considered opinion of yours is in our best interests as a party and movement.

Nomennovum on February 12, 2016 at 5:15 PM

I guess your racist hero needs to go down in flames in November for you to believe this.

Illinidiva on February 12, 2016 at 5:17 PM

The irony for Trump supporters is that they’re mistrustful of Rubio (and rightly so in many ways) when Trump is playing them for fools. It’s like being wary of a guy stole a quarter when another guy is stealing the $100 bill in your back pocket.

Rubio’s not perfect, but he’s Republicans’ best shot to win in November.

Spannerhead on February 12, 2016 at 4:38 PM

Rubio most electable? You mean before his Perry Meltdown?

You can close your eyes, stamp your feet and try to wish it never happened, but in my experience that never seems to work.

Rubio wants Amnesty.

Trump signals that he wants to ban all Muslims.

You want to call those 2 positions equally believable, but no one believes you.

Skipity on February 12, 2016 at 5:18 PM

Trumpkins appeals to nativists who want to end all immigration to the US.

Illinidiva on February 12, 2016 at 5:15 PM

So what’s wrong with that? Is there a problem with having concern for one’s country?

Is there some global right to immigrate to the US?

darwin on February 12, 2016 at 5:21 PM

I guess your racist hero needs to go down in flames in November for you to believe this.

Illinidiva on February 12, 2016 at 5:17 PM

Oh I see. Only by importing poor, uneducated people from all over the world, draining the tax base, and putting Americans out of work can we ever win another election. Got it.

darwin on February 12, 2016 at 5:22 PM

he has never even run a taco stand.

Schadenfreude on February 12, 2016 at 4:11 PM

I was under the impression that he may not even like tacos that much?

Walter L. Newton on February 12, 2016 at 5:24 PM

Trumpkins appeals to nativists who want to end all immigration to the US.

Illinidiva on February 12, 2016 at 5:15 PM

So this makes us racist?

Why is the immigration we’ve had over the last 50 years a good thing?

Do you know what “nativism” is? No you don’t. Definition: a policy of favoring native inhabitants as opposed to immigrants.

Why is it bad?

Most countries practiced this for their entire existence. That’s how nations come into existence. We practiced it. Mexico practices it. The West practiced it till recently. Europe did. Not long ago they decided not to practice it and let Muslims in. Now rape and other crimes are through the roof.

Nativism appears to be an unalloyed good. It reduces social friction and crime. It increases trust and charity. It reduces welfare and increases freedom. It reduces the need for police and government surveillance.

So, why is it bad?

Nomennovum on February 12, 2016 at 5:25 PM

And you think that Hillary Clinton is going to advance your cause? Does one party Democratic rule sound fun?

Oh and Trumpkins won’t be winning any minority voters. Do you think that the black community is going to go for someone who has inferred that Obama isn’t a citizen? Do you think that the Latino community will be going for someone who says that they are all rapists and wants to go around with goon squads looking to deport people? Nope.

Illinidiva on February 12, 2016 at 5:15 PM

In the poll just released today Trump was in the lead among Hispanics.

Haven’t seen many polls lately, but there was the famous one where he got 25% of the black vote.

And Hillary would be less likely to have her agenda passed by the GOP than would Rubio, they would have to put up a show of resistance.

And enough with the stupid “Trumpkin” thing. You have no facts at all and you insult people with silly names; the “Trumpkins” are 44% of the GOP.

No one agrees with your approach to immigration, if it is so important to you join the dems.

We need to have at least one pro-American party on immigration.

Redstone on February 12, 2016 at 5:27 PM

I know all I need to know about the cuban ice cream man, he’s not to be believed.

Andy__B on February 12, 2016 at 5:28 PM

Here’s what we Floridians think about Marco Rubio:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_PtSDlt5h0

memyselfni on February 12, 2016 at 5:29 PM

Rubio is so much better than the rest, I’m fine with him and the voters defining words differently.

Get over it already.

petunia on February 12, 2016 at 5:30 PM

https://ricochet.com/power-limited-government-and-marco-rubio/

petunia on February 12, 2016 at 5:25 PM

Rubio simply doesn’t understand the anger and frustration after decades of unfettered illegal aliens from all over the world pouring in. He just doesn’t.

Plus he doesn’t appear to have the courage to find out and then then stand up, say he was wrong and say what needs to be said.

Otherwise he has a beautiful message.

darwin on February 12, 2016 at 5:31 PM

GOPe Chamber maid hardest hit

Senator Philip Bluster on February 12, 2016 at 5:31 PM

Okay. Then enjoy one party rule.

I guess your racist hero needs to go down in flames in November for you to believe this.

Illinidiva on February 12, 2016 at 5:17 PM

I never called him a hero. Who has? How do you know he’s racist? What do you think of his black supporters?

You appear unable to construct a logical and coherent argument for your position. Does that embarrass you?

You are full of hate. My guess is that you hate white people. Funny thing is, you may be white yourself. Are you? If so, why the hatred?

What do you think of Mexican immigrants — many of them illegal — who rape women, many of them young girls? Are they as bad as the imaginary frat boys at UVA, or worse?

Justify your position for once without accusing others of racism. I know this is hard for a leftist woman to do, but try. If you try hard and are sincere in your efforts, I will praise you even though I expect you to fail in your effort to persuade us with logic or reason.

Nomennovum on February 12, 2016 at 5:35 PM

I don’t think our throats is where 0bama has been forcing this.

Trumpkins appeals to nativists who want to end all immigration to the US.

Illinidiva on February 12, 2016 at 5:15 PM

And? He also appeals to a lot of other folks. (BTW, “nativist” isn’t really a dirty word except among the progressives.)

GWB on February 12, 2016 at 5:37 PM

Apparently Illinidiva thought she could cow us into submission by using nativist and racist.

Now Illinidiva is nowhere to be seen.

darwin on February 12, 2016 at 5:38 PM

Trumpkins appeals to nativists who want to end all immigration to the US.

Oh and Trumpkins won’t be winning any minority voters. Do you think that the black community is going to go for someone who has inferred that Obama isn’t a citizen? Do you think that the Latino community will be going for someone who says that they are all rapists and wants to go around with goon squads looking to deport people? Nope.

Illinidiva on February 12, 2016 at 5:15 PM

have you been paying attention to Trump voters are? He IS attracting voters from ALL demographics.

Do also know we shut down immigration as a whole for over 40 years basically from 1920’s to 1965 till those who came to America from the late 1800’s thru the 1920’s were assimilated and their kids/grandkids.

diva, you need to not worry, you will not be deported by Trump unless…well, you know.

g2825m on February 12, 2016 at 5:40 PM

Rubio: Unlike Obama, my administration isn’t going to ram amnesty down your throat

Buzzzst… Try again!!!

The ‘gang of eight’ was the definition of ramming Obama’s amnesty down our throats.

RJL on February 12, 2016 at 5:43 PM

I guess your racist hero needs to go down in flames in November for you to believe this.

Illinidiva on February 12, 2016 at 5:17 PM

another thing…How is Trump racist as he allows Diamond and Silk, or whatever their names are, on to his debate stage every 4th debate or so…

g2825m on February 12, 2016 at 5:43 PM

Apparently Illinidiva thought she could cow us into submission by using nativist and racist.

darwin on February 12, 2016 at 5:38 PM

I think those days are just about over. Poor leftists.

Nomennovum on February 12, 2016 at 5:43 PM

If only we could trust him.

That says it all.

RJL on February 12, 2016 at 6:01 PM

Rubio’s not perfect, but he’s Republicans’ best shot to win in November.

Spannerhead

You’re joking, right?
Rubio is the face of amnesty.
Check out his broadcasts in Spanish.

Belle on February 12, 2016 at 6:12 PM

One thing we should have learned from Obama, don’t believe in hope.

Ukiah on February 12, 2016 at 6:16 PM

The Rino Kid just cannot stop being an amnestymonger. I wouldn’t trust this guy on immigration as far as I could throw him over Trump’s Wall.
The Rubot is simply a liar on amnesty and would sign off on citizenship in a heartbeat. He will never be President.

phadras on February 12, 2016 at 6:21 PM

Rubio’s history on illegal immigration/amnesty:

2003/2004 Introduced DREAM Acts in Florida. Once was not enough.

2006: As Speaker of the FL House, blocked six immigration enforcement bills Floridians worked on to control illegal immigration in the state. One was E-Veify; one had to with outlawing sanctuary cities; one dealt only with illegal alien felons. None good enough for Marco. And the liar had promised to let the bills go forward.

2010: Lied to voters about his stance on amnesty to get elected to the U.S. Senate

2011: Joined the Gang of Eight, but not before accusing the Republican Party of being “hostile to Hispanics”.

In between, babbled continuously about more DREAM Acts. Never shut up about them.

And, while many of his fans say he has “learned his lesson on amnesty”, only 3 months ago, he said this to Jorge Ramos of Univision:

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/11/02/marco-rubio-jorge-ramos-will-keep-obamas-first-executive-amnesty-place-legislative-amnesty-enacted/

Those who still trust this man should be committed to an institution for the willfully and stupidly insane.

memyselfni on February 12, 2016 at 6:41 PM

Keep hope alive

Schadenfreude on February 12, 2016 at 7:13 PM

You’re joking, right?
Rubio is the face of amnesty.
Check out his broadcasts in Spanish.

Belle on February 12, 2016 at 6:12 PM

What does that have to do with his odds of beating Hillary/Bernie in November?

He adheres to the Buckley rule far better than any other candidate.

Spannerhead on February 12, 2016 at 9:45 PM

How about…….no.

NYCMike on February 13, 2016 at 5:05 AM

2003/2004 Introduced DREAM Acts in Florida. Once was not enough.

2006: As Speaker of the FL House, blocked six immigration enforcement bills Floridians worked on to control illegal immigration in the state. One was E-Veify; one had to with outlawing sanctuary cities; one dealt only with illegal alien felons. None good enough for Marco. And the liar had promised to let the bills go forward.

2010: Lied to voters about his stance on amnesty to get elected to the U.S. Senate

2011: Joined the Gang of Eight, but not before accusing the Republican Party of being “hostile to Hispanics”.

In between, babbled continuously about more DREAM Acts. Never shut up about them.

And, while many of his fans say he has “learned his lesson on amnesty”, only 3 months ago, he said this to Jorge Ramos of Univision:

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/11/02/marco-rubio-jorge-ramos-will-keep-obamas-first-executive-amnesty-place-legislative-amnesty-enacted/

Those who still trust this man should be committed to an institution for the willfully and stupidly insane.

memyselfni on February 12, 2016 at 6:41 PM

Thanks for reminding the brain-dead about the case against Rubio.

To this day, Rubio refuses to say he will enforce our immigration laws. He only talks about the most effective political strategy to get Americans to change the laws to let illegals in.

Rubio cannot be President of the United States because he will not pledge to faithfully execute our laws.

By constitutional standards, that makes Rubio a traitor to the republic. If you vote for him you are an accessory. It’s as simple as that.

Younggod on February 13, 2016 at 7:12 AM

If Rubio is on the ticket, vote against the ticket.

kunegetikos on February 13, 2016 at 7:36 PM