Dem debate question: How do you feel about thwarting history, Bernie?

posted at 10:01 am on February 12, 2016 by Ed Morrissey

I missed last night’s Democratic presidential debate, having a previous commitment at my church … and for my sanity. The PBS debate had at least one success in ending a debate on time, which sounds like it would be easy with only two candidates, but perhaps not with these two candidates. The previous Democratic debate on MSNBC (which I did watch) ran over by several minutes.

Thanks to the magic of YouTube, however, I still managed to catch this rather odd moment from moderator Gwen Ifill.

IFILL: Senator, do you worry at all that you will be the instrument of thwarting history, as Senator Clinton keeps claiming, that she might be the first woman president?

SANDERS: Well, you know, I think, from a historical point of view, somebody with my background, somebody with my views, somebody who has spent his entire life taking on the big money interests, I think a Sanders victory would be of some historical accomplishment, as well.

Er … does Ifill not realize that Sanders was the first Jewish-American to win a major-party primary contest, as Sanders did in New Hampshire on Tuesday? Or does history only apply to Hillary Clinton? Speaking of whom, her answer was even more odd than the question:

CLINTON: You know, I have said — I have said many times, you know, I’m not asking people to support me because I’m a woman. I’m asking people to support me because I think I’m the most qualified, experienced, and ready person to be the president and the commander- in-chief.

Ahem. Other than just a naked desire for power, that’s about the only coherent reason Hillary has put forward for her candidacy. Remember “44 Boys Is Too Many“? The nonsensical accusations of sexism against Sanders for criticizing her? How about the trio of geriatric feminists last week who claimed that young women supporting Sanders were gender traitors just out for a good time with the boys?

For that matter, the age of the debate combatants was never more in evidence when the two candidates began arguing over … Henry Kissinger:

SANDERS: Where the secretary and I have a very profound difference, in the last debate — and I believe in her book — very good book, by the way — in her book and in this last debate, she talked about getting the approval or the support or the mentoring of Henry Kissinger. Now, I find it rather amazing, because I happen to believe that Henry Kissinger was one of the most destructive secretaries of state in the modern history of this country. I am proud to say that Henry Kissinger is not my friend. I will not take advice from Henry Kissinger. And in fact, Kissinger’s actions in Cambodia, when the United States bombed that country, overthrew Prince Sihanouk, created the instability for Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge to come in, who then butchered some 3 million innocent people, one of the worst genocides in the history of the world. So count me in as somebody who will not be listening to Henry Kissinger.

IFILL: Secretary Clinton?

CLINTON: Well, I know journalists have asked who you do listen to on foreign policy, and we have yet to know who that is.

SANDERS: Well, it ain’t Henry Kissinger. That’s for sure.

Old and busted: Votes on the 2002 Iraq AUMF. New hotness: Rehashing the 1960s! Yes, nothing will engage that over-80 demographic like a robust debate on Henry Kissinger. Everyone else … not so much.

Andrew Malcolm did watch the debate, but noticed a few issues got missed in favor of history-thwarting and Kissinger support:

Of the 16,000 words uttered by Hillary Clinton, Bernie Sanders and moderators Gwen Ifil and Judy Woodruff, not one of them concerned Clinton’s deepening email scandal. Not one mention of the words email, e-mail, private server or FBI.

Not a single media question or opponent mention of the huge legal cloud hanging over the party’s presumptive nominee. Nor of the ongoing FBI investigation into unauthorized use of her unsecured private email server for government business, including loose handling of Top Secret documents endangering national security intelligence-gathering and covert operations.

Not any reference to the State Department Inspector General’s subpoena to the Clinton Foundation exploring possible connections between foreign government donations possibly trying to curry favor during Clinton’s four-year tenure as Obama’s secretary of State.

Oh, and not a single word either about Benghazi, the murder of four Americans there, the phony video excuse, the lack of rescue or reinforcement attempts and any Clinton responsibility for the well-documented poor consulate security. Nothing on tax or entitlement reforms. National debt.

A complete pass for Hillary Clinton. Whoosh! Home free. Other than that, it was a serious grilling about being female, admiring Obama, taxing the rich more, free stuff and other liberal issues.

Sounds like we didn’t miss much. Maybe Debbie Wasserman Schultz had the right idea on scheduling these debates after all.


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She really does go out of her way to look like Dr. Evil, doesn’t she?

CurtZHP on February 12, 2016 at 10:03 AM

Someone on twitter pointed out Killary’s odd Vulcan outfit.

“Live long and prosper. Unless you’re an ambassador, then you’re dead.”

Bishop on February 12, 2016 at 10:07 AM

Big Bird’s running?

Kissmygrits on February 12, 2016 at 10:09 AM

Hillary attempted to block the election of the first African-American president in 2008 in now in the current campaign is trying to block the election of the first Jewish president. Looks pretty bigoted to me.

Rumpole of the Bailey on February 12, 2016 at 10:09 AM

It’s amazing how both Bernie and the moderators avoid the various clouds over Hillary’s campaign. I bet David Brooks is already starting to write his article about the remarkably scandal-free Hillary administration.

Neopolitan on February 12, 2016 at 10:10 AM

Bishop on February 12, 2016 at 10:07 AM

Looks more like Chairman Hillary to me.

Your citizen score will take a hit for that.

artist on February 12, 2016 at 10:11 AM

BUT ITS HER TURN!!!!!!

That same thinking is why the GOPe won’t have “the talk” with ¡Jeb! and get him off the stage…

ConstantineXI on February 12, 2016 at 10:13 AM

These two really fit well with each other. They should run off together to Venezuela, since it did so well as a socialist country.

Cherokee on February 12, 2016 at 10:14 AM

She really does go out of her way to look like Dr. Evil, doesn’t she?

CurtZHP on February 12, 2016 at 10:03 AM

It’s called a Mao jacket. Except they are usually red. In Her Thighness’s case they are called Mao-Mao jackets though…

ConstantineXI on February 12, 2016 at 10:14 AM

She really does go out of her way to look like Dr. Evil, doesn’t she?

CurtZHP on February 12, 2016 at 10:03 AM

Better than the mother superior look she was sporting the other day.

I know it is shallow and petty to comment on Blue’s wardrobe choices but it almost seems as if she dresses in such a way that any comment will tee up the “war on women” meme.

But, my God! Co-workers wife said that Blue looked like a lemon.

Happy Nomad on February 12, 2016 at 10:15 AM

The PBS debate had at least one success in ending a debate on time,

You mean, instead of ending the debate early, as in the other Democrat debates?

LoganSix on February 12, 2016 at 10:17 AM

Good grief, Ifill actually asked that question! If im bernie i rip that to shreds and make her eat it. Then i turn to hillary and rip her to shreds about FBI, DOJ, emails, private server, Clinton Crime Foundation…..and on and on.

jaywemm on February 12, 2016 at 10:17 AM

My favorite Sanders line of last night was along the lines of-

Only one of us ran against Barak Obama for the Presidency and it isn’t me.

Honorable mention goes to “You are not in the White House yet.”

Happy Nomad on February 12, 2016 at 10:18 AM

Good grief, Ifill actually asked that question! If im bernie i rip that to shreds and make her eat it. Then i turn to hillary and rip her to shreds about FBI, DOJ, emails, private server, Clinton Crime Foundation…..and on and on.

jaywemm on February 12, 2016 at 10:17 AM

Comrade Senator Sanders is stuck in a catch 22… He could be the nominee if he stands toe to toe with Her Royal Thighness. But the Clintons have a body count that would make the Sicilian Mafia blush…

ConstantineXI on February 12, 2016 at 10:20 AM

Didn’t we already do “historic” in 2008 and unbelievably in 2012? How’s that working out?

The long list of cons dwarfs the list of pros.

Difficultas_Est_Imperium on February 12, 2016 at 10:23 AM

Honorable mention goes to “You are not in the White House yet.”

Happy Nomad on February 12, 2016 at 10:18 AM

(SHRILLERY ON)
SHES SICK AND TIRED OF ANYONE WHO WOULD STAND UP AND DISAGREE WITH HER INEVITABLE ADMINISTRATION!!!!

ITS HER TURN!!!!!!!!!
(shrillery off)

ConstantineXI on February 12, 2016 at 10:24 AM

Any questions on their extreme views on baby killing? I thought not. Gwen Ifill moderating a Dem debate, too? That’s be like Sean Hannity moderating a GOP one.

changer1701 on February 12, 2016 at 10:25 AM

Didn’t we already do “historic” in 2008 and unbelievably in 2012? How’s that working out?

The long list of cons dwarfs the list of pros.

Difficultas_Est_Imperium on February 12, 2016 at 10:23 AM

We’re doing historic in 2016: Electing our first President who is neither a politician nor really part of either party since 1792.

ConstantineXI on February 12, 2016 at 10:25 AM

not one of them concerned Clinton’s deepening email scandal

Well, Bernie said that he was tired of hearing about her damn emails, so that pretty much gave a clear pass for the moderators not to ask that question anymore.

LoganSix on February 12, 2016 at 10:26 AM

Any questions on their extreme views on baby killing? I thought not. Gwen Ifill moderating a Dem debate, too? That’s be like Sean Hannity moderating a GOP one.

changer1701 on February 12, 2016 at 10:25 AM

If Ifill moderates a debate Rush Limbaugh should moderate a debate.

Except the GOPe sets these up and will make sure she does at least one of them…

ConstantineXI on February 12, 2016 at 10:26 AM

Bishop on February 12, 2016 at 10:07 AM

Looks more like Chairman Hillary to me.

Your citizen score will take a hit for that.

artist on February 12, 2016 at 10:11 AM

Indeed.

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a213/tcny05/Humor/Political%20Humor/Hillary%20Mao%20Suit%2001_zpsrydizlzn.jpg

NotCoach on February 12, 2016 at 10:29 AM

He would still be making history. Never before the US elected an avowed socialist to the presidency.

ojfltx on February 12, 2016 at 10:33 AM

Gwen Ifill, Judy Woodruff, Hillary Clinton, and Bernie Sanders?

“You’re not in the White House yet”?! How about “You’re not in the Kremlin yet.”

It must fry them that we still have elections in this country.

Cleombrotus on February 12, 2016 at 10:35 AM

It must fry them that we still have elections in this country.

Cleombrotus on February 12, 2016 at 10:35 AM

Well, they don’t. Not in the Democrat party anyway, where Chairman Hillary can get wiped out 60-40 in the vote yet get more delegates…

ConstantineXI on February 12, 2016 at 10:37 AM

He would still be making history. Never before the US elected an avowed socialist to the presidency.

ojfltx on February 12, 2016 at 10:33 AM

How can you forget FDR?

Happy Nomad on February 12, 2016 at 10:39 AM

He would still be making history. Never before the US elected an avowed socialist to the presidency.

ojfltx on February 12, 2016 at 10:33 AM

Woodrow Wilson

NotCoach on February 12, 2016 at 10:39 AM

He would still be making history. Never before the US elected an avowed socialist to the presidency.

ojfltx on February 12, 2016 at 10:33 AM

Woodrow Wilson

NotCoach on February 12, 2016 at 10:39 AM

And both Roosevelts.

Not to mention Barack HUSSEIN Obama, the most socialist president in history.

ConstantineXI on February 12, 2016 at 10:40 AM

ConstantineXI on February 12, 2016 at 10:37 AM

It’s probably what concerns me most about this country on a political scale, the fact that the contrast is so stark and the choices so obvious and yet they’re carrying at least half of the country.

Cleombrotus on February 12, 2016 at 10:42 AM

It’s probably what concerns me most about this country on a political scale, the fact that the contrast is so stark and the choices so obvious and yet they’re carrying at least half of the country.

Cleombrotus on February 12, 2016 at 10:42 AM

Worse, you know this primary season which has seen the GOPe lose control of the process and not be able to force it’s anointed “electable moderate” (¡Jeb!) down our throats they will go the superdelegate route too for 2020…

If we let them get away with it.

ConstantineXI on February 12, 2016 at 10:45 AM

She really does go out of her way to look like Dr. Evil, doesn’t she?

CurtZHP on February 12, 2016 at 10:03 AM

…and if she was actually a good politician, the first time someone mentioned that she’d put her pinkie to the corner of her mouth, and gain popularity by it.

But she long ago made the mistake of believing her own press.

Rule 1 of politics and acting is “Never believe your own press.” Hillary Clinton is a cautionary tale that Drew Berrymore should be telling her kids (and Barbara Bush should be telling her grandkids), “See? See?!? This is what happens!”

She’s the political equivalent of the kid who actually did poke his eye out with that thing.

GrumpyOldFart on February 12, 2016 at 10:45 AM

Blue 2016.

That Dog Don’t Hunt.

GrumpyOldFart on February 12, 2016 at 10:46 AM

First of all, Bernie’s not stupid. THE ONLY DEMOGRAPHIC he has lost with is people over 65!!! Now if you are over 65 and still a liberal chances are the thought of Henry Kissinger makes your head spin. It was actually a brilliant move on his part. Second point. Did anyone else notice that Bernie refused to mention his Jewishness explicitly on stage, instead referencing his “background” what that says to me is that there is so much antisemitism and animus in the dem base that it would have hurt him to point it out explicitly. They will still pick up 70% of Jewish votes, but disturbiong none the less

dgeis on February 12, 2016 at 10:48 AM

He would still be making history. Never before the US elected an avowed socialist to the presidency.

ojfltx on February 12, 2016 at 10:33 AM

The American voter was in love with FDR and really like his “socialist” policies. His socialism was so popular they elected him 4 times.

proverbs427 on February 12, 2016 at 10:53 AM

ConstantineXI on February 12, 2016 at 10:37 AM

It’s probably what concerns me most about this country on a political scale, the fact that the contrast is so stark and the choices so obvious and yet they’re carrying at least half of the country.

Cleombrotus on February 12, 2016 at 10:42 AM

Agree with both in principle, but might add that “half the country” includes a large number who – recalling as far back as the Revolutionary war – “vote” and/or act out of various kinds of self-interest and limited intellectual perspicacity: For example, loyalists to the British crown up and down the E Coast whose “good intentions” also got them massacred. These may have had stronger “principles” than the free phone idiots today, but I suspect are essentially no different; they all want to be coddled and nannied within/under the monarchist/fascist fold.

RL on February 12, 2016 at 10:58 AM

CLINTON: You know, I have said — I have said many times, you know, I’m not asking people to support me because I’m a woman. I’m asking people to support me because I think I’m the most qualified, experienced, and ready person to be the president and the commander- in-chief.

“Ready” in terms of who? Yourself? Your advisers? Your Acolytes? Your sycophants? Your Media?

Certainly you have NO accomplishments other than the weakening of America through your SAUDI INFLUENCE which led you to maintain your own PRIVATE server, which led to the disclosure of TOP SECRET INTELLIGENCE to a known adversary, i.e., the House of Saud.

/Yep.. It’s coming. And when it does” It will be SPECTACULAR. SPECTACULAR, indeed.

/Trump’s gonna yuge this

Key West Reader on February 12, 2016 at 11:08 AM

The American voter was in love with FDR and really like his “socialist” policies. His socialism was so popular they elected him 4 times.

proverbs427 on February 12, 2016 at 10:53 AM

I’m handing you a pocket Constitution . Don’t waste your purdy head on studying the 22nd Amendment. It’ll set your jewfrow on fire.

Key West Reader on February 12, 2016 at 11:11 AM

RL on February 12, 2016 at 10:58 AM

I could live with a monarchy that pretty much let the individual alone; I will not live under fascism that has to be in control of every area of my private life.

Cleombrotus on February 12, 2016 at 11:11 AM

Gwen knows that Bernie will just go all “get off my lawn” if she brings up the email thing. She doesn’t want to be responsible for what that might do to his heart — and Hillary with her, uh, “bathroom issues”. So it’s understandable.

jdpaz on February 12, 2016 at 11:13 AM

RL on February 12, 2016 at 10:58 AM

I could live with a monarchy that pretty much let the individual alone; I will not live under fascism that has to be in control of every area of my private life.

Cleombrotus on February 12, 2016 at 11:11 AM

-Can’t really argue very much against that. At least in 1776 or thereabouts and under a monarchy, we were still able to get enough of those “scary assault weapons/muskets” to win the thing.

Now with the drooling, infantile lib fascists, we’d be lucky to “own” anything beyond rubber pencils.

RL on February 12, 2016 at 11:17 AM

He would still be making history. Never before the US elected an avowed socialist to the presidency.

ojfltx on February 12, 2016 at 10:33 AM

Woodrow Wilson

NotCoach on February 12, 2016 at 10:39 AM

And both Roosevelts.

Not to mention Barack HUSSEIN Obama, the most socialist president in history.

ConstantineXI on February 12, 2016 at 10:40 AM

Well, OPENLY socialists.
Just because those guys pretended to be a Republican and Democrats, doesn’t mean they were totally honest about their socialism like Bernie almost is.

LoganSix on February 12, 2016 at 11:22 AM

The American voter was in love with FDR and really like his “socialist” policies. His socialism was so popular they elected him 4 times.

proverbs427 on February 12, 2016 at 10:53 AM

It is amazing what can be accomplished when you completely control the message.

LoganSix on February 12, 2016 at 11:23 AM

The American voter was in love with FDR and really like his “socialist” policies. His socialism was so popular they elected him 4 times.

proverbs427 on February 12, 2016 at 10:53 AM

Well, well, well.

Okay then. Let’s elect Ted Cruz and we will really “like” his socialist/conservative policies and we can not only elect him once, but we can do it again FOUR MORE TIMES! That’s 16 years ya putz.

Here’s your proverb: Be careful what you wish for – that’s not Biblical.

CRUZ 2016 – FOR SIXTEEN YEARS! TRUMP! 16 YEARS!

/You so stoopid

Key West Reader on February 12, 2016 at 11:31 AM

The American voter was in love with FDR and really like his “socialist” policies. His socialism was so popular they elected him 4 times.

proverbs427 on February 12, 2016 at 10:53 AM

And Reagan would have been elected 4 times if he could run more than twice, and Washington could have served for life if he wanted to, but that isn’t the point. We already know you ain’t too damn bright, and embrace The Bern’s socialism. The rest of us ain’t so enamored with broken ideology that has proven to be a failure time and again.

https://pjmedia.com/diaryofamadvoter/2016/02/11/debate-recap-uncle-bernie-the-mini-schnauzer/

NotCoach on February 12, 2016 at 11:57 AM

Watched debate. Bernie is a terrible debater.
Just an awful candidate.
He just seems to think he is up there to talk, not debate…not show that the other candidate is a bad choice and he is the better choice.
He had some many opportunities to go after Hillary…and did not…but once he is finished talking many times you think he is supporting Hillary.

And that the two moderators are so in the pocket of Hillary…
the Democrat primaries are a fraud and scam.

albill on February 12, 2016 at 12:01 PM

It’s called a Mao jacket. Except they are usually red.

ConstantineXI on February 12, 2016 at 10:14 AM

That yellow color, combined with Hillary’s huge, blubbery, ample adipose dierriere , makes Hillary look like a giant Bartlett pear….

BigSven on February 12, 2016 at 12:12 PM

Watched the Debate.

Bernie should never have agreed to more debates.

He makes Clinton look competent.

Whomever the GOP nominee is, they better beef up their foreign policy speak, because Clinton can lie very well in foreign policy stuff. She throws around names pretty good too.

I know Cruz and Rubio (yuk) know foreign policy stuff, but Trump’s weakness is foreign policy. His domestic stuff is fine. He better beef up on it, because as well as Hillary lies, there are a lot of saps who will eat it right up.

libfreesMom on February 12, 2016 at 12:26 PM

Watching Mme. Pantsuit absolutely fall over herself to pay adoration to Preezy is hilarious. Pandermania to minority voters. I think that she is more interested in preventing an indictment.

Philly on February 12, 2016 at 12:32 PM

Not that I mind a dig against Hillary but…

Khmer Rouge? Aren’t those your comrade communists in arms Mr. Sanders? A real moderator might have posed that question.

ShadowsPawn on February 12, 2016 at 12:40 PM

The American voter was in love with FDR and really like his “socialist” policies. His socialism was so popular they elected him 4 times.

proverbs427 on February 12, 2016 at 10:53 AM

Yeah, they loved him so much that after he died in office they past a Constitutional Amendment so no one like him could ever do the same thing again.

F-#1.

They also loved his Racism right after Pearl Harbor, when he threw 100,000+ Japanese-Americans into concentration camps, solely because of their Race.

F-#2.

They also loved how he packed the Supreme Court with Activist Judges.

F-#3.

And they loved the many ways he cheated on his wife while in the White House.

F-#4.

And most of all, they loved FDR’s anti-semitism.

F-#5.

Sorry, Kid. You’re not very good at this.

Del Dolemonte on February 12, 2016 at 12:58 PM

Didn’t we already do “historic” in 2008 and unbelievably in 2012? How’s that working out?

The long list of cons dwarfs the list of pros.

Difficultas_Est_Imperium on February 12, 2016 at 10:23 AM

For the dems it worked out pretty well. I can see where your perception of the events is somewhat different but since the left doesn’t nominate a candidate to please you…

Tlaloc on February 12, 2016 at 1:21 PM

What a stupid question, surpassed only by the stupidity of the answer.

How does Sanders not answer that he disagrees with Hillary’s policy ideas and that he believes his policies would better benefit the US, the middle class, etc. and then turn it back to the moderator and ask, so do you think making history by electing someone based on their gender should trump policy?!

The entirety of the political class and the media should just be destroyed.

deadrody on February 12, 2016 at 1:21 PM

Or does nimrod Gwen Ifil think Sanders will be caught off guard and then answer, “Gosh, I hadn’t thought about it that way. You’re right, I’m officially withdrawing from the race tonight.”

Just beyond stupid

deadrody on February 12, 2016 at 1:22 PM

For the dems it worked out pretty well. I can see where your perception of the events is somewhat different but since the left doesn’t nominate a candidate to please you…

Tlaloc on February 12, 2016 at 1:21 PM

It has ? Democrats have lost roughly 75% of the state and federal seats they occupied when Obama was elected. I would hardly say that has “worked out pretty well” for Democrats.

deadrody on February 12, 2016 at 1:24 PM

An excellent question was asked in last night’s debate.

Are there any government programs that you would cut?

Both Bernie and Hillary answered that they would cut out waste, fraud, and abuse. (And then Bernie came back to clarify that he would also cut money from the Defense Department.)

But, but, but…I thought President Obama had already taken care of the waste, fraud and abuse in government.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/economy/reform/cutting-waste

Did Bernie and Hillary just admit that President Obama has failed to get rid of waste, fraud and abuse in government after 7 years in office?

wren on February 12, 2016 at 2:17 PM

Marxism’s wide “scientific” appeal was always based in it’s underlying certainty that capitalism is doomed with history taking an unerring course toward revolution. All that remained was to choose which side of that history you were on. Leftists are just like end-times believers who basically want to back the winning horse. The irony is that in both cases, you have universal destruction followed by salvation, on one hand, in this post-revolution survivalist utoptia, and on the other, in the next world.

There is no historical predermination, because we are collectively responsible for the result of our societal choices. Leftists are followers, beta personalities, that hate to make their own decisions, and want to be carried forward by the tide of history and the state, with little exertion on their part.

Not every “historical” choice is a good one, even if you believe as Sanders and his dependents do, in predeterminism. So there is some risk in voting for the aging and incorrigible communist myth peddler. Even bigger societal impact in voting for a serial criminal and liar with documented and wanton disdain for the security of this country.

Fools flock to Bernie because he really believes in his Marxist end-times. They so want it to be true! The establishment clings to Hillary to keep the spigots of Washington corruption in full-flow. Her not-very-remarkable gender is a depressing news-hour sideshow, not a historically significant factor.

virgo on February 13, 2016 at 11:56 AM