Trump: Conservatives helped the GOP betray the base, you know

posted at 1:21 pm on February 11, 2016 by Allahpundit

I can’t shake the nagging suspicion that not only isn’t this guy conservative, he doesn’t much respect conservatism either when you come right down to it.

Here’s Trump firmly planting his flag in the soil of nationalism:

Ben Shapiro says the mask is finally off. Was it ever on?

So why is Trump blaming “the help of Conservatives” for the lies of the Republican establishment? Because Trump isn’t conservative, and now he’s admitting it. Trump has spent most of his career giving money to Democrats; he has spent most of his career rejecting conservative policies; even now, his version of conservatism boils down to “give me power and I’ll make great deals,” which is a leftist vision of government rather than a conservative one. Like many members of the Republican establishment, Trump thinks the biggest problem with the Republican Party is ideology; he only dislikes the establishment because he doesn’t run it. He wants to replace the old Party establishment with himself. He wants to top the power pyramid.

And so he blames conservatives.

This is also a strategic play to get ahead of the Cruz-led argument that Trump doesn’t philosophically qualify to win conservative votes. Trump is stating pre-emptively that he isn’t failing conservatism – conservatism has already failed, and he’s just here to help the country. Many of his followers believe this – I routinely receive emails and tweets proclaiming that Trump fans don’t care if Trump is conservative, because he’s a “real American,” as though Americanism can be boiled down to nationalism while excising Constitutionalism. Trump’s going full-bore populist now.

Right, excellent point. It may seem counterintuitive that Trump is deriding conservatives ahead of a primary in South Carolina, which is a lot more conservative than New Hampshire is. But it makes sense strategically. There’s no point in him spending the next nine days trying to convince voters there that he’s a conservative when Cruz will be showcasing ample evidence to the contrary. He’s better off trying to consolidate populists and moderates — and there are plenty of the latter in the SC GOP, which is how Lindsey Graham keeps getting reelected — by wearing Cruz’s accusation as a badge of honor. Okay, says Trump, I’m not conservative. But what has conservatism done for anyone over the past eight or 16 or 24 years? It’s time for the GOP to become a nationalist party.

The risk is that some conservative voters in South Carolina who are on the fence between him and Cruz will take this the way Shapiro did, as a kiss-off. Never forget, though, that Trump’s more daring public statements usually come with a walkback later. Whether it’s mass deportation (the “good ones” can come back in) or banning Muslims from entering the U.S. (the ban might not last long), his ability to seem as hardline or “malleable” as his individual supporters want to perceive him means he’ll be able to massage this if there’s any backlash. If he’s challenged on this, he’ll probably say that the “conservatives” he had in mind who are aiding and abetting the GOP are Rubio and Cruz, even though Cruz is the Senate’s most notorious obstructionist — and has been derided as a “maniac” by Trump because of it. Or, if he ends up getting in a lot of trouble for this, he’ll claim that it’s only because he’s so conservative himself that he’s terribly, terribly disappointed in the conservatives in Congress who failed to stop Obama, never mind the fact that they’re a small minority even within their own House and Senate caucuses. In other words, he wasn’t pronouncing himself a post-conservative nationalist, he was pronouncing himself the truest conservative in the field.

Would Republicans who are open to Trump buy that? Sure, probably. One thing we’ve learned about voters who claim, or have claimed, to be conservative is that a lot of them are very cheap dates ideologically:

One of the great puzzles of the primary season is why a candidate who so recently espoused moderate or progressive views is succeeding in a party that favors purity over pragmatism. Of course, Trump can always claim that he had a road-to-Damascus-style conversion to conservatism. But this claim surely won’t cut it for many movement conservatives. After all, if Trump can flip to the right so recently, perhaps he’ll flop back to the left in due course.

For Trump, the solution has been to announce something so outrageously offensive to liberals, so contrary to every progressive shibboleth, that its utterance immediately disqualifies him from being a leftist. Opposing Obamacare isn’t good enough. After all, some progressives aren’t big fans of the Affordable Care Act. Neither is it sufficient to back gun rights. Many on the left own guns and believe in the Second Amendment. In any case, these are issues on which reasonable people can disagree. What Trump needs is something that is literally unspeakable for a liberal. Trump’s immigration policy is just the ticket. Virtually no progressive would dream of banning the world’s 1.6 billion Muslims from visiting the United States. The very idea represents a kind of exclusionary nativism that is anathema to liberals. Trump’s anti-immigrant language is an efficient way of proving that he has abandoned the left. In a single glorious moment of illiberal demagoguery, he can achieve what would otherwise take months of debate and rebuttal.

That, more than any other reason, probably explains why Cruz and others have had so much trouble getting the charge that Trump is a phony conservative to stick. Some voters, as Shapiro says, don’t care about conservatism in the first place; either they’ve been centrists for years or they’ve drifted towards nationalism in frustration with the GOP. But others probably do still identify as conservative yet have no problem identifying Trump that way too because their definition of conservatism is thin and consists in great part of opposition to the left. The left wants open borders and Trump wants to build a wall. The left won’t say a critical word about Muslims and Trump wants to bar them from coming into the country. The left is politically correct and Trump and his fans laugh about Ted Cruz being a “pussy.” What more could you ask from a “conservative”? He’s fighting the left on forbidden ground, even if he agrees with them or is “malleable” on the other 80 percent of their agenda. That “logic” explains a lot about the Trump phenomenon, from his ability to defy the easy branding as a RINO that’s sunk more right-wing pols than him to the outsized role that immigration has played in his appeal to the odd dynamic in which his supporters insist they’re somehow going to punish the Beltway GOP for being squishy sellouts by electing a guy who’s much further to the left than Mitch McConnell. Identify where conservatism overlaps with nationalism, toss a rhetorical grenade at the left/media on that issue, and voila — you’re conservative. Enough so to be the GOP nominee, in any case.

The true risk to Trump in lumping conservatives in with Beltway Republicans is that it makes the right’s incentive to go third-party stronger if he ends up as nominee. If conservatives are part of the problem that a Trump-led GOP is trying to overcome, why would they stick around and support him in the general? Better for that 20 percent of the party to go indie and vote for Romney or whoever, even at the expense of electing a Democrat, since it would force nationalists to recognize that they can’t win without conservatives any more than conservatives can win without them. Trump’s not stupid so I assume he’ll take steps to lower the risk of that happening, probably by using the “I only care because I’m so conservative myself” spin that I suggested. Even so, it’s noteworthy that he’s even trying to force “the base” to consider how they should identify politically.

Here’s Trump telling Fox News that he’s very capable of changing into anything he wants to — a reference in this case to his tone, but true enough about his policy positions too given his record. Exactly the sort of thing you’d expect to hear from a true conservative.


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It’s not everyday I get to pull the mask off of two huge Trumpateers Fossten & NWConservative.

Now, what to do with the hides.

portlardon on February 11, 2016 at 5:51 PM

You didn’t, really. And you yourself are guilty of quoting NW conservative out of context, as well as accusing Gary of racism, which is tedious.

Seriously, you are a bit over excited about this. Buy a pet.

Joseph K on February 11, 2016 at 5:59 PM

Seems like the Donald has a point. Haven’t Conservatives helped elect Republicans term after term who made promises they never followed thru on? How does recognizing that we have enabled the Ryans, the McConnells, etc by re-electing them and those like them make Trump a non-Conservative?

katiejane on February 11, 2016 at 6:00 PM

Donald Trump Financed The Gang of 8
One of the most common things you hear from a Trump fanatic is that the single most important thing this election is illegal immigration and that Donald Trump is the only candidate who is talking about building a wall and deporting everyone that’s here illegally.

Trump has claimed that no one would be talking about illegal immigration had he not brought it up, which is of course complete nonsense. Even his own talking points dispute that. Trump has repeatedly referenced the ominous “Gang of 8″ as a way of attacking Senator Marco Rubio’s record since the proposed bill would’ve offered a path to citizenship for the illegals The Donald promises to kick out. The Gang of 8 bill was proposed in 2013 so if nothing else, we know immigration was a discussion 3 years ago.
[..]
Of those 8 members, Donald has contributed money to five. 3 Democrats(!) and 2 Republicans. They were Schumer (5 times!), Durbin, Graham, McCain & Menendez.

And what did Trump expect to get for his money? Because don’t forget, it was Trump that said he put money into candidates so he could get what he wanted. It was Trump that said he was part of the problem. His donation to Graham was in 2014, a year AFTER the Gang of 8 bill was proposed, so I guess he felt he got his money’s worth.
http://www.redstate.com/aglanon/2016/02/11/donald-trump-financed-gang-8/

Torcert on February 11, 2016 at 6:01 PM

Damn, I even telegraphed that shot and you still walked right into it, Rubio.

Are you serious? I said that I hadn’t conflated eminent domain for private and public use; I wasn’t comparing the two and hadn’t done it. That was dumb even for you.

I am too lazy to bother copying and pasting any more of your drivel and responding; I already won in the previous post.

You go with Cruz, that’s great. You make him look horrible, though.

There aren’t enough freaks like you who obsess over eminent domain and ethanol for Cruz to win, he needs to expand his base to include intelligent people as well.

The anti-Trumpers know this which is why they are talking up Cruz in order for him to eventually lose to Rubio.

You might be fine with this, I’m not.

If it is Trump vs. Cruz, perhaps.

Cruz’s favorability went up when he hid behind Trump for 6 months, and shot back down once he turned his Iowa campaign into a clownish Glenn Beck embarrassment.

He will be the eventual “anti-Trump” candidate but the establishment candidates need to go first.

Redstone on February 11, 2016 at 6:01 PM

advocate for a free market.

limecat on February 11, 2016 at 5:55 PM

What is this free market that you speak of? The government is almost 50% of our GDP spending wise.

HonestLib on February 11, 2016 at 6:03 PM

It’s not everyday I get to pull the mask off of two huge Trumpateers Fossten & NWConservative.

Now, what to do with the hides.

portlardon on February 11, 2016 at 5:51 PM

Keep in mind NWConservative’s handy little tactic of asking a loaded question and when you don’t answer it, she gets to answer it for you.

Torcert on February 11, 2016 at 6:04 PM

You didn’t, really. And you yourself are guilty of quoting NW conservative out of context, as well as accusing Gary of racism, which is tedious.

Seriously, you are a bit over excited about this. Buy a pet.

Joseph K on February 11, 2016 at 5:59 PM

He most certainly did. You just don’t like it when your troll clan takes a hit.

voiceofreason on February 11, 2016 at 6:15 PM

Eminent domain is constitutional. The concept is in the 5th amendment. The question is what constitutes a public good and, yes, private concerns have and still will potentially be a public concern.
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To assert or imply Trump is bad, fascist, or whatever over this goes beyond argument, but delves into the realm that Trump is vilified for.
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Every thread that involves the candidates devolves into mostly stupid talk, especially in reference to Trump.

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Sad thing is, views ands stances are easily verifiable for Trump. And Mostly for Cruz, but the way you can fake stances via BS votes makes a little harder.

TexasDude on February 11, 2016 at 6:18 PM

Tomorrow will be fun.

Schadenfreude on February 11, 2016 at 4:07 PM

:)

Anti-ControI on February 11, 2016 at 6:23 PM

Seriously, you are a bit over excited about this. Buy a pet.

Joseph K on February 11, 2016 at 5:59 PM

I took nothing out of context. Another poster here showed where Trump supporters whine about Cruz people calling people names and being boorish, and then posting examples of them doing the same things.

Then these two modify comments I made, and used them against me.

That’s a big no-no.

portlandon on February 11, 2016 at 6:24 PM

Seems like the Donald has a point. Haven’t Conservatives helped elect Republicans term after term who made promises they never followed thru on? …

katiejane on February 11, 2016 at 6:00 PM

So the answer is to elect a liberal?

It’s exactly what will happen if we keep up this whole “conservatism is bad mmkmay?” nonsense.

Oxymoron on February 11, 2016 at 6:26 PM

It’s not everyday I get to pull the mask off of two huge Trumpateers Fossten & NWConservative.

Now, what to do with the hides.

portlardon on February 11, 2016 at 5:51 PM

I have been a member of this commenting community since the beginning of Hot Air. One thing I like about this site is that they don’t make it easy to join. (In fact, my commenting has been limited in the past because the site seems to like my password one day and not the other.) So I have known a lot of you for awhile and I have seen who is a good conservative who holds principle above faddish contrivance. Good to know that the portlardon and many others see this election for what it is.

Bill C on February 11, 2016 at 6:26 PM

I am too lazy to bother copying and pasting any more of your drivel and responding; I already won in the previous post.

Redstone on February 11, 2016 at 6:01 PM

You mean the one where you parroted your RINO pal John McCain and asserted that Cruz (+65 GOP favorability) is “totally hated by everyone from both parties, and the media” and “is not even slightly charismatic or likable”–even as your guy wallows at +30 among his own party? The one where you embarrassingly got suckered into Trump’s ephemeral favorability “turn-around” narrative?

Okay. Good win, bro. I sure hope Donald’s primary campaign ends in a “win” like that.

thirtyandseven on February 11, 2016 at 6:27 PM

Seems like the Donald has a point. Haven’t Conservatives helped elect Republicans term after term who made promises they never followed thru on? …

katiejane on February 11, 2016 at 6:00 PM

Politics works slowly in this country and changing the course of a party takes time. The first step is taking the presidency but after that we need to put good conservatives in leadership in the House and Senate.

Bill C on February 11, 2016 at 6:28 PM

What is this free market that you speak of? The government is almost 50% of our GDP spending wise.

HonestLib on February 11, 2016 at 6:03 PM

The truly free market is probably unattainable. But, in principle, the smaller the number, the better. Also, where are you getting your 50 percent number? My impression was somewhere around 35 percent for total government spending / gdp.

http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/total_spending_chart

limecat on February 11, 2016 at 6:30 PM

The conservatives helped by giving in to the pleas of the moderate-rino-progressives to vote their way in order for THEM to fix things, and things turned out as they usually do, with regular folks having a big fat knife sticking out their backs.

Now more people than ever are saying they will not vote for the establishment pigs because of this, and I’m one of them.

I still do not believe cruz, don’t care what the eff limbaugh says.

Andy__B on February 11, 2016 at 6:36 PM

Good to know that the portlardon and many others see this election for what it is.

Bill C on February 11, 2016 at 6:26 PM

Thanks Bill! You keep commenting here. The more voices the better.

portlandon on February 11, 2016 at 6:38 PM

Only a complete and utter moron like Ben Shapiro would see this reference to conservatives in a tweet, which also mentions “promises to the base,” as a kiss off to rank and file conservatives (i.e., the base)

And sadly, there are plenty of complete and utter morons on this thread.

Dancing Queen on February 11, 2016 at 6:38 PM

Another poster here showed where Trump supporters whine about Cruz people calling people names and being boorish, and then posting examples of them doing the same things.

That back and forth has been going on for months, and is boring.

Here’s an idea. Why don’t you show your maturity and superiority by refusing to call people names, or be boorish? Instead you dove right into the sh!t bath. To crawl out of the mire and claim some sort of victory is pathetic. You are still covered in sh!t.

Then these two modify comments I made, and used them against me.

That’s a big no-no.

portlandon on February 11, 2016 at 6:24 PM

Oh grow up. What are you going to do, write an email to Ed?

There are two ways to handle this. Dive all in, and be better at it than they are, funnier, ruder, cleverer, more imaginative, more interesting, more informative. For example, I like when danman, aka rainman, calls me Special K, because it’s clever and funny. Somebody else, driveldiscourse I think, or TDSchemer, called me Joseph KKK. That’s funny. HappyGonad’s “howler monkeys” is hysterical.

Or take the high road.

You did neither. You are boring, and whiny.

Fossten modified a comment of yours in a specific context. A bit over the top, but hardly something to get hysterical about. NWConservative quoted that modification. Big deal.

Here’s an idea. Don’t accuse someone you are having a political disagreement with on a right-wing blog of racism. That’s what Leftards do, and is disgusting. You deserved everything you got after that.

Right2bright accused NWConservative of racism because NW stated that some Carson supporters were probably afflicted with white guilt. An arguable point, but not racism, and not even unseemly. Later I found some right2bright posts that could be read as racist, and reposted them. He deserved it.

You want to be taken seriously around here? Be funny, be informative, or be both. But running around screeching I OWN HIM after a lame internet exchange makes you look like a sociopathic weakling.

Joseph K on February 11, 2016 at 6:43 PM

You want to be taken seriously around here? Be funny, be informative, or be both. But running around screeching I OWN HIM after a lame internet exchange makes you look like a sociopathic weakling.

Joseph K on February 11, 2016 at 6:43 PM

I’ve been here for 7 years. I don’t need a lecture from you on Hotair etiquette.

The funny banter back and forth ended when the primary season started. I OWN NWConservative now. deal with it.

portlandon on February 11, 2016 at 6:47 PM

Top of the World.

It’s not everyday I get to pull the mask off of two huge Trumpateers Fossten & NWConservative.

Now, what to do with the hides.

portlandon on February 11, 2016 at 5:51 PM

Man I’ve read your comments for years and generally thought you were alright but apparently your TDS has really turned you into a nasty, childish piece of work. You need to step away from the keyboard for a while and get some perspective.

Sugarbuzz on February 11, 2016 at 6:47 PM

Man I’ve read your comments for years and generally thought you were alright but apparently your TDS has really turned you into a nasty, childish piece of work. You need to step away from the keyboard for a while and get some perspective.

Sugarbuzz on February 11, 2016 at 6:47 PM

I say, what TDS does is strip away their masks, revealing the smugness/ugliness/egomania which invariably lies beneath… :D

Anti-ControI on February 11, 2016 at 6:52 PM

The funny banter back and forth ended when the primary season started. I OWN NWConservative now. deal with it.

portlardon on February 11, 2016 at 6:47 PM

Have you written that strongly worded email to Ed yet?

Joseph K on February 11, 2016 at 6:54 PM

The Donald has it right. So called conservatives have screwed the base. Never doing what they promise. So, we elect them, and get screwed. Lindsay Graham, John McCain, Rubio, Flake, Gowdy,McConnel, Boehner,hell just about the whole damn GOPe who claims to be conservative, makes promises, we vote for them, and then get screwed. Yes, Trump is exactly correct.

they lie on February 11, 2016 at 6:54 PM

Man I’ve read your comments for years and generally thought you were alright but apparently your TDS has really turned you into a nasty, childish piece of work. You need to step away from the keyboard for a while and get some perspective.

Sugarbuzz on February 11, 2016 at 6:47 PM

So you have your posts twisted and refed to you and see how you like it.

Here’s why I’m so pissed:

I’m a big racist. I base it on Cruz and Rubio being Cuban. I stand by it.

portlandon on January 28, 2016 at 11:54 AM

I think garyinaz66 is a racist. I base it on Gary’s fixation on Both Cruz and Rubio.

I’m a big boy. I lobbed it. I stand by it.

portlandon on January 28, 2016 at 11:54 AM

portlandon on February 11, 2016 at 6:56 PM

Have you written that strongly worded email to Ed yet?

Joseph K on February 11, 2016 at 6:54 PM

Do I need to? We used to patrol our own around here. Keep eachother honest. Instead we get re-worded phony posts thrown back in our faces, lefty tactics.

Do you walk Fossten & NWConservative all the way to the school door to? Unless you’re their public defender just keep walking.

portlandon on February 11, 2016 at 6:58 PM

Have you written that strongly worded email to Ed yet?

Joseph K on February 11, 2016 at 6:54 PM

“Everyone is picking on me!”

TheMadHessian on February 11, 2016 at 6:59 PM

Here’s why I’m so pissed:

I’m a big racist. I base it on Cruz and Rubio being Cuban. I stand by it.

portlandon on January 28, 2016 at 11:54 AM

I think garyinaz66 is a racist. I base it on Gary’s fixation on Both Cruz and Rubio.

I’m a big boy. I lobbed it. I stand by it.

portlandon on January 28, 2016 at 11:54 AM

portlandon on February 11, 2016 at 6:56 PM

That’s absolutely traumatizing. I don’t know how you can still function. Your proud of your accusation of racism though, so that’s a plus.

Joseph K on February 11, 2016 at 7:00 PM

Do I need to? We used to patrol our own around here. Keep eachother honest. Instead we get re-worded phony posts thrown back in our faces, lefty tactics.

Do you walk Fossten & NWConservative all the way to the school door to? Unless you’re their public defender just keep walking.

portlardon on February 11, 2016 at 6:58 PM

I hate to disabuse you, but the comments section of this site has always been a sewer. Watching what the “conservatives” did to Paul supporters, or the Palinistas to whomever got in their way, was always a nauseating spectacle.

You just can’t handle being on the receiving end of it.

Joseph K on February 11, 2016 at 7:04 PM

Man I’ve read your comments for years and generally thought you were alright but apparently your TDS has really turned you into a nasty, childish piece of work. You need to step away from the keyboard for a while and get some perspective.

Sugarbuzz on February 11, 2016 at 6:47 PM

Unfortunately, This seems to hold true for many more HA commenters than I would have thought possible prior to this campaign season.

I’m neither a full blown Trupeteer nor Trump hater. But I am saddened by the changes I’ve seen in people.

Oxymoron on February 11, 2016 at 7:06 PM

portlandon on February 11, 2016 at 6:56 PM

C’mon man, I’m pretty sure nobody here took those quotes as anything but bullshit.

I’ll stand by my statement that you are overreacting and getting waaaay too much into this nonsense. Calm your colon.

At the end of the day it’s people, arguing on the internet, solving nothing and changing nobodies mind. Over and over again, in perpetuity.

Go outside, look at the stars, drink a Bud and ponder the vastness of space. Or man’s inhumanity to man. Visualize world peace. Listen to sitar music whilst sitting in a Lotus position.

Something

Sugarbuzz on February 11, 2016 at 7:07 PM

The truly free market is probably unattainable. But, in principle, the smaller the number, the better. Also, where are you getting your 50 percent number? My impression was somewhere around 35 percent for total government spending / gdp.

http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/total_spending_chart

limecat on February 11, 2016 at 6:30 PM

It is my understanding that transfer payments like Medicare and such are shown as consumer purchases and not counted in government spending. I count them as government spending as they control the disbursements.

That is how I come up with close to 50%. If I am looking at it wrong, I appreciate the correction.

HonestLib on February 11, 2016 at 7:07 PM

I took nothing out of context. Another poster here showed where Trump supporters whine about Cruz people calling people names and being boorish, and then posting examples of them doing the same things.

Then these two modify comments I made, and used them against me.

That’s a big no-no.

portlandon on February 11, 2016 at 6:24 PM

You modified someone else’s argument and said I made it, took me out of context, called me a hypocrite, and kept asking me if I was mad.

I didn’t know that the quote was modified, but now I also do that too?

You’re a real piece of work.

NWConservative on February 11, 2016 at 7:08 PM

or the Palinistas to whomever got in their way, was always a nauseating spectacle.

You just can’t handle being on the receiving end of it.

Joseph K on February 11, 2016 at 7:04 PM

You don’t need to tell me about the Palin wars of ’08-PRESENT. I’ve got the scars.

You’re a real piece of work.

NWConservative on February 11, 2016 at 7:08 PM

You can take a hike, proven smear merchant Liar.

portlandon on February 11, 2016 at 7:19 PM

First!

Bishop on February 11, 2016 at 7:19 PM

Unfortunately, This seems to hold true for many more HA commenters than I would have thought possible prior to this campaign season.

I’m neither a full blown Trupeteer nor Trump hater. But I am saddened by the changes I’ve seen in people.

Oxymoron on February 11, 2016 at 7:06 PM

I’m a Trump and Cruz fan, I’ve yet to see why liking one has to be mutually exclusive of the other. But this is the 2D linear thinking of many that frequent this forum.

I have been “attacked” far far more for showing support for Trump than for showing support for Cruz. Yeah yeah I get it that Trump’s far more polarizing, but it still doesn’t excuse the full blown rabidity and almost “liberal zeal” some people are displaying when denigrating people.

Sugarbuzz on February 11, 2016 at 7:20 PM

First!

Bishop on February 11, 2016 at 7:19 PM

LOL.

I’m glad you’re back Bishop.

This place wasn’t the same without you.

portlandon on February 11, 2016 at 7:22 PM

First!

Bishop on February 11, 2016 at 7:19 PM

Classic

Sugarbuzz on February 11, 2016 at 7:22 PM

Here is the original comment:

anti-Trumpettes luv their name calling , anybody that doesn’t agree with them is an idiot, they crack me up bwhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

djohn669 on February 11, 2016 at 2:38 PM

Portlardon rebuts this comment by quoting…fossten and NWConservative.

Here are the two NWConservative quotations:

Stupid.

NWConservative on January 10, 2016 at 6:47 PM

Speaking of stupid ^^^^

NWConservative on January 10, 2016 at 6:48 PM

No context, no nothing. No idea whether NW was calling a person stupid, or an argument, or an assertion.

NW quite rightly objects to being drawn into an argument he was not making:

You want to go there Mr. race card?

You and your pal libfreesmom are two dishonest hacks. I never talk about the name calling going on here unless it is to talk about anti-Trumpers like you guys b!tching about insults whilst simultaneously throwing them.

NWConservative on February 11, 2016 at 3:27 PM

And then portlardon doubles down:

You mad, bro?

portlandon on February 11, 2016 at 3:30 PM

NWConservative then quotes the full exchanges with TDSchemer and ddayraven from which his “stupids” were taken:

I would rather have former Mexicans in this country than current fascists. Why do you disagree?

TBSchemer on January 10, 2016 at 1:48 PM

Stupid.

NWConservative on January 10, 2016 at 6:47 PM

I know you’ve been waiting for this outlier for awhile now. Being the lone Trump Tard blogger on Hot Air must be lonely.

DRayRaven on January 10, 2016 at 5:06 PM

Speaking of stupid ^^^^

NWConservative on January 10, 2016 at 6:48 PM

In the first case, NW was describing an argument as stupid. In the second, he was responding to an insult.

Sorry, portlardon, it doesn’t look to me like you OWN anyone.

Joseph K on February 11, 2016 at 7:25 PM

I’m a big racist. I base it on Cruz and Rubio being Cuban. I stand by it.

portlandon on January 28, 2016 at 11:54 AM

portlandon on February 11, 2016 at 6:56 PM

Yeah I’d be pissed if I said some bullshit like that too.

fossten on February 11, 2016 at 7:25 PM

Topmost issue: a conservative SCOTUS.

That very simply defines the best (but not perfect) POTUS candidate.

Carnac on February 11, 2016 at 7:26 PM

In the first case, NW was describing an argument as stupid. In the second, he was responding to an insult.

Sorry, portlardon, it doesn’t look to me like you OWN anyone.

Joseph K on February 11, 2016 at 7:25 PM

And in both of MY examples, I was talking to one of the lefty trolls, and the IDIOT was in response to HIM calling ME an idiot.

fossten on February 11, 2016 at 7:26 PM

Thanks Bill! You keep commenting here. The more voices that agree with me, the better.
portlandon on February 11, 2016 at 6:38 PM

Note to all: The words in italics above are my own addition, and not meant to be a true representation of what portlandon actually wrote. They are what I assume to be his (and most people’s) fuller, un voiced and unwritten thoughts when they write such a post.

Again, the words in italics are mine. I stress that, because I do not want portlandon (or anyone else) to OWN, OWN, OWN me.

LegendHasIt on February 11, 2016 at 7:27 PM

The funny banter back and forth ended when the primary season started. I OWN NWConservative now. deal with it.

portlandon on February 11, 2016 at 6:47 PM

You don’t own shit.

fossten on February 11, 2016 at 7:27 PM

And in both of MY examples, I was talking to one of the lefty trolls, and the IDIOT was in response to HIM calling ME an idiot.

fossten on February 11, 2016 at 7:26 PM

Sorry fossten. I didn’t want to go full lime in the coconut/Rational Db8 with a wall of text. Just needed to make the point.

Joseph K on February 11, 2016 at 7:28 PM

Topmost issue: a conservative SCOTUS.

That very simply defines the best (but not perfect) POTUS candidate.

Carnac on February 11, 2016 at 7:26 PM

Trump said he wants justices like Clarence Thomas. That good enough for you?

fossten on February 11, 2016 at 7:28 PM

Joseph K on February 11, 2016 at 7:28 PM

I didn’t take it that way, brother. I was just adding for clarification. Actually, this whole thing is all my fault. It is actually funny that portlandon never saw that until today.

fossten on February 11, 2016 at 7:30 PM

I’m a big racist. I base it on Cruz and Rubio being Cuban. I stand by it.

portlandon on January 28, 2016 at 11:54 AM

portlandon on February 11, 2016 at 6:56 PM

Yeah I’d be pissed if I said some bullshit like that too.

fossten on February 11, 2016 at 7:25 PM

But I didn’t. You changed the comment and reposted it.

Deny it, so I can show you for the fraud you are. “David in Louisville” the great Rush Limbaugh hunter.

portlandon on February 11, 2016 at 7:32 PM

I didn’t take it that way, brother. I was just adding for clarification. Actually, this whole thing is all my fault. It is actually funny that portlandon never saw that until today.

fossten on February 11, 2016 at 7:30 PM

I saw it when one of your “brotheren” quoted your modified quote as a way to try and slim me.

portlandon on February 11, 2016 at 7:33 PM

I didn’t take it that way, brother. I was just adding for clarification. Actually, this whole thing is all my fault. It is actually funny that portlandon never saw that until today.

fossten on February 11, 2016 at 7:30 PM

His original statement was lame and stupid. The fact that he’s proud of it is even more telling. The fact that he’s been jumping up and down like some polyester fatty on The Price is Right after “OWNING” NW is even more telling.

Joseph K on February 11, 2016 at 7:36 PM

I’m a Trump and Cruz fan, I’ve yet to see why liking one has to be mutually exclusive of the other. But this is the 2D linear thinking of many that frequent this forum.

I have been “attacked” far far more for showing support for Trump than for showing support for Cruz. Yeah yeah I get it that Trump’s far more polarizing, but it still doesn’t excuse the full blown rabidity and almost “liberal zeal” some people are displaying when denigrating people.

Sugarbuzz on February 11, 2016 at 7:20 PM

I lean more toward Cruz than Trump, was a Cruz fan for some time prior to this campaign season due to his earning the ire of the establishment.

But Trump hasn’t done anything yet that would keep me from voting for him if he becomes the nominee. On that note however, I don’t think there’s a Republican candidate that I wouldn’t vote for to keep Hillary or Bernie out of the white house.

Oxymoron on February 11, 2016 at 7:37 PM

Trump said he wants justices like Clarence Thomas. That good enough for you?

fossten on February 11, 2016 at 7:28 PM

Yeah.

In case you needed another reason to dislike Donald Trump — in addition to his flip-flopping on abortion, immigration, and single-payer health care, and his use of government to harass homeowners — here is Ramesh Ponnoru:

Donald Trump told Mark Halperin yesterday that his sister, a federal judge, would be a “phenomenal” Supreme Court justice. He also said that “we will have to rule that out now, at least.”

If he ever becomes president, let’s hope he rules it out permanently. Maryanne Trump Barry came up in my book The Party of Death for writing one of those heated judicial decisions in favor of giving constitutional protection to partial-birth abortion. She called a New Jersey law against it a “desperate attempt” to undermine Roe v. Wade. It was, she wrote, “based on semantic machinations, irrational line-drawing, and an obvious attempt to inflame public opinion instead of logic or medical evidence.” It made no difference where the fetus was when it “expired.”

That’s right — Donald Trump’s sister wrote in 2000 that it should be legal to kill babies up to the point of departing their mother’s womb. And he’s cool with her being on the Supreme Court.

voiceofreason on February 11, 2016 at 7:37 PM

Deny it, so I can show you for the fraud you are. “David in Louisville” the great Rush Limbaugh hunter.

portlandon on February 11, 2016 at 7:32 PM

Actually, this whole thing is all my fault. It is actually funny that portlandon never saw that until today.

fossten on February 11, 2016 at 7:30 PM

This is just getting funnier…

Joseph K on February 11, 2016 at 7:37 PM

The funny banter back and forth ended when the primary season started. I OWN NWConservative now. deal with it.

portlandon on February 11, 2016 at 6:47 PM

At what age were you first afflicted with delusions of grandeur?

VorDaj on February 11, 2016 at 8:01 PM

I’m sorry I can’t respond to your backtracking, portlandon. I’m at work. :)

But I will say that you started this, provided no context to your claims, smeared me, didn’t back anything up, and acted in general like a petulant child.

NWConservative on February 11, 2016 at 8:07 PM

At what age were you first afflicted with delusions of grandeur?

VorDaj on February 11, 2016 at 8:01 PM

I say, “At birth, and he’s never grown out of it”! LOL :D

Anti-ControI on February 11, 2016 at 8:28 PM

Some people need to pull the logs out of their own eyes.

portlandon on February 11, 2016 at 3:18 PM

How many “Trumpers” have called for the mass slaughter of fellow Americans who simply believe that we need to try a different course to save America, like “anti-Trumpers” have?

Trump and all of his supporters have convinced me that they are a greater threat to this country and its liberty than any Democrat. We need a leader who will use every power available to crush, destroy, and eliminate these people from this country.

TBSchemer on December 8, 2015 at 3:29 AM

The “anti-Trumpers” need to turn down the name-calling, and calls for mass murder. It reeks of tyranny. Talk about logs in eyes…

dominigan on February 11, 2016 at 8:29 PM

And Trump is exactly right.

Sharr on February 11, 2016 at 9:12 PM

Topmost issue: a conservative SCOTUS.

That very simply defines the best (but not perfect) POTUS candidate.

Carnac on February 11, 2016 at 7:26 PM

I been banging that drum for a long time. I trust Cruz to do this. I have serious reservations regarding Trump.

redridinghood on February 11, 2016 at 9:41 PM

Trump: Conservatives helped the GOP betray the base, you know

This is true mostly because the, so called, ‘conservatives’ are usually single issue voters (and have little or low information on other major issues about a particular ‘conservative’ candidate) and as such they will vote for a candidate that for example says, “he/she is pro-life” – or pick another single issue on any number of conservative tenets. This then has been/is the single greatest fault of the MOST of the conservative voters. So yes, Trump is correct on this one.

Mcguyver on February 11, 2016 at 10:01 PM

Watch TED CRUZ fight against Gun Control….Where was Donald Trump?
Realdemocrat1 on February 11, 2016 at 10:21 PM

He wasn’t there….
Because he wasn’t being PAID to do it.

LegendHasIt on February 11, 2016 at 11:14 PM

He wasn’t there….
Because he wasn’t being PAID to do it.

LegendHasIt on February 11, 2016 at 11:14 PM

When I see people post idiotic talking points like “why wasn’t Donald Trump leading the fight against abortion in the 80’s” or in this case “why wasn’t Donald Trump fighting for gun ownership rights”…

The guy is/was a goddamned private sector businessman for Christ’s sake. It was not his friggin job or business to be involved in policy decisions.

This is like asking “Why wasn’t Cher standing up for diversity in the workplace in the 60’s instead of showing her belly button?”

This kind of crap is the laziest of lazy attack vectors. I’m pretty sure even the most un-educated of huckleberries from lower slobbovia county USA understands that if someone is not a politician they are not expected to be involved in lawmaking or policy.

Sugarbuzz on February 11, 2016 at 11:33 PM

In the first case, NW was describing an argument as stupid. In the second, he was responding to an insult.

Sorry, portlardon, it doesn’t look to me like you OWN anyone.

Joseph K on February 11, 2016 at 7:25 PM

I literally cannot believe he was trying to tell everyone that I’M the hypocrite complainer because someone else complained about insults being thrown.

He copied that entire set of out of context quotes from libfreesmom earlier today. He wouldn’t back up his claim that I am complaining about insults and instead kept repeating it.

He apparently thinks his original POS, leftist, race card pulling, attack post on garyinaz66 was better than the modified one from fossten.

NWConservative on February 12, 2016 at 12:11 AM

This whole “I own you” thing is seriously friggin’ weird. I dropped out of this thread around 7PM. I peeked back in now to see if it had moved on…nope. Still incredibly bizarre. Anyone that even makes such a claim in the comments section of a blog should consider some sort of therapy. Seriously.

BobM88 on February 12, 2016 at 12:33 AM

Trump isn’t a conservative. Neither is Rubio. Carson is a social conservative, but I’m not so certain about fiscal. Jeb isn’t a conservative. Christie isn’t a conservative.

So, we’re left with Trump who at least will tackle illegal immigration, Cruz, or Kasich. Kasich has no traction.

By the way, a lot of Trump’s support comes from the democrats, which means his statement is playing to that side of his support. It isn’t a bad strategy, as the statement won’t alienate those on the right who are supporting him.

His statement is just more fodder for the “I love the GOPe” crowd, who proclaim themsevles to be “I want only (insert GOPe candidate’s name here)” type of voter.

Wino on February 12, 2016 at 12:39 AM

Freedom Caucus-case in point.Total betrayal of conservatism in backing Paul Ryan!

redware on February 12, 2016 at 1:04 AM

I’d respect more of the Trump supporters if they just admit he’s just a Corporatist Democrat at best. He’s Michael Bloomberg on steroids.

Someone who ultimately believes not so much in the Constitution or small government principles, just that we just have the wrong people in charge of government and if you just put him in charge, all will be well.

I’m okay if people want to vote for that – he’s just running on the wrong side.

rgrovr on February 12, 2016 at 2:49 AM

Seems like the Donald has a point. Haven’t Conservatives helped elect Republicans term after term who made promises they never followed thru on? How does recognizing that we have enabled the Ryans, the McConnells, etc by re-electing them and those like them make Trump a non-Conservative?

katiejane on February 11, 2016 at 6:00 PM

One doesn’t need to look any further than Ted Cruz to see who he is referring to. TC supported Obamatrade, Gang of eight, the Iran deal, the election of Thad Cochran in addition to many other betrayals

Brock Robamney on February 12, 2016 at 6:15 AM

TC supported Obamatrade, Gang of eight, the Iran deal, the election of Thad Cochran in addition to many other betrayals

Brock Robamney on February 12, 2016 at 6:15 AM

You are a delusional liar. You really should have stopped the drugs before now.

Wino on February 12, 2016 at 8:13 AM

I’d respect more of the Trump supporters if they just admit he’s just a Corporatist Democrat at best. He’s Michael Bloomberg on steroids.

I’d respect the anti trumpers more if they stopped with the meaningless ill defined labels and childish personal attacks and talked specific policy issues.

everyone talks about reagan. Trump talks like reagan.

johngalt on February 12, 2016 at 8:16 AM

@NWconservative.

I own you now.

portlandon on February 11, 2016 at 4:29 PM

Is there someplace HA can report this IP address to so that the authorities can check that this guy isn’t harming himself or others?

AJsDaddie on February 12, 2016 at 8:32 AM

You are a delusional liar. You really should have stopped the drugs before now.

Wino on February 12, 2016 at 8:13 AM

Spoken like a true liberal shill, protecting their Nazi Sympathizer Cruz

Brock Robamney on February 12, 2016 at 8:34 AM

Under His Own Weight

Bmore on February 12, 2016 at 10:19 AM

Eminent domain is constitutional. The concept is in the 5th amendment. The question is what constitutes a public good and, yes, private concerns have and still will potentially be a public concern.

TexasDude on February 11, 2016 at 6:18 PM

The concept might be there, but note the caveats in the Constitution which are ignored rather than followed.

Pfizer needs a new plant, and Kelo gets to vacate for it. Now, the government can take your property and give it to other well connected private parties, and it’s all legal, according to the Supreme Court.

In my case, the Dodgers needed a new stadium, and my family’s store had to be razed to build the access road.

Bush and the Rangers. LAUSD and the Ambassador Hotel. The State of California and the Bullet Train.

You name it and eminent domain is abused the majority of the time it is used — even when it’s used legally.

As California builds its Bullet Train, it’s condemning and destroying lives all the way up and down California.

The Cambodian-Americans running a burger stand in Fresno were offered less than half of what their property was worth (in terms of the cost to buy and construct an equivalent new burger stand nearby). Given what happened with the residual lands taken (the 30% of the land the city didn’t use from my family’s property was resold for what they gave us for the whole), I expect that plenty of people around the stations will have property ripped out of their hands and that property resold to well connected Democrats for a tidy profit to the buyer. Such is the nature of eminent domain. Indeed, Hot Air had articles about how the State of California deliberately bisected the lands of Republican farmers in the Central Valley. If you look at the maps, the deliberate choice of route is political payback of the highest order — enter at the top left corner of the farmer’s lands and route right down to the lower right corner.

Trump survived, only because of his wealth, an attempt by the LAUSD to strip him of the Ambassador. I wish my family had been so lucky — or, rather, so wealthy. But I can hope that Mr. Trump remembers what it was like to have vultures trying to take his property, and will be receptive to change in that regard.

I don’t like Trump, nor Cruz, but I like Clinton and Sanders far less. If either of the former are our nominee, I will vote for them, because that’s the only way I can vote against the latter.

Those who think that eminent domain doesn’t have purchase here are wrong. All politics is personal.

unclesmrgol on February 12, 2016 at 1:30 PM

I have been a member of this commenting community since the beginning of Hot Air. One thing I like about this site is that they don’t make it easy to join. (In fact, my commenting has been limited in the past because the site seems to like my password one day and not the other.) So I have known a lot of you for awhile and I have seen who is a good conservative who holds principle above faddish contrivance. Good to know that the portlardon and many others see this election for what it is.

Bill C on February 11, 2016 at 6:26 PM

Aye matey

Franklyn on February 12, 2016 at 3:55 PM

No question that the commentary of Levin, and of others, against Trump has some force. Some of Trump’s “positions” are worrying. The issue that the commentariat misses is that you need to win.

At every turn, the favored conservative candidate pulls their punch. Even when elected, as the majority they don’t assert their position. This is why we have an out of control deficit and why we have a DoJ race war! Because conservatives failed to act when they we empowered to implement their policies.

Consequently, rational voters see no value in continuing down this ineffectual road. You can call it nationalism, or center left or Reagan Democrat if you want. The reality is that Trump is doing everything that the GOPe said it wanted to do, but never did, reaching into every demographic, with great success.

The signal failure of the commentariat was Eric Erickson’s self indulgent outrage over Trump’s language. We should know by now that conservatives shushing each other is the leading indicator of their political failure.

Commentary is not the same as playing the game. We need players to actually win, not put in a fine performance, technically excellent in every way, laudable …but not victorious.

Cruz is technically great but his lack of broad voter appeal puts the country at the risk of electing an old Marxist fool, or a corrupt beltway criminal. Are we there yet? Maybe I’m premature in saying that.

In the meantime it is appropriate to press and criticise Trump on policy details, to toughen it up, make it stand up to scrutiny of the national interest for the time when voters really decide.

virgo on February 13, 2016 at 12:54 PM