Michigan officials could face manslaughter charges over Flint water crisis

posted at 10:41 am on February 11, 2016 by Jazz Shaw

The Flint water crisis is taking a new turn this week. Anger among the affected continues to boil, with much of it misdirected at the only Republican in sight, but there are plenty of necks which may wind up on the chopping block when all is said and done. Now the Michigan state Attorney General’s office is getting in on the act and looking to see if some people could be brought up on very serious charges if they are found responsible. (Washington Post)

As a probe begins into the water crisis gripping Flint, Mich., a top investigator announced Tuesday that if officials are found to have been grossly negligent, they could face charges as serious as manslaughter.

“We’re here to investigate what possible crimes there are, anything [from] involuntary manslaughter or death that may have happened to some young person or old person because of this poisoning, to misconduct in office,” said Todd Flood, special counsel for the state attorney general’s office who is in charge of the investigation. “We take this very seriously.”

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Outrage over those deaths and the possible long-term effects of lead poisoning hung over Tuesday’s news conference. Flood was brought in to lead the investigation last month because the Department of the Attorney General is defending Gov. Rick Snyder (R) and various state departments against lawsuits brought by Flint residents.

Flood is also acknowledging that the investigation could find that the deaths and any subsequent cases of illness may turn out to be the result of “honest mistakes” by the state, but I rather doubt that the public is in much of a mood to hear that. Michael Moore is still out there calling for Governor Snyder’s head on a plate and Hillary Clinton has certainly implied as much without stating it directly. For his part, Snyder saw that punch coming a mile away and warned nearly a month ago that Clinton was politicizing the crisis for her own political benefit.

Snyder “acted as though he really didn’t care” about Flint residents and “basically stonewalled” on initial requests for help, Clinton said.

“Obviously, I care,” Snyder said in response to Clinton’s comments Monday morning in Flint. “I’m here today. We’ve done a number of actions. We’re going to keep working on putting solutions in place.

“And what I would say is, politicizing the issue doesn’t help matters. Let’s focus in on the solution and how to deal with the damage that was done and help the citizens of Flint and make Flint a stronger community.”

If the Democrats at the federal level get involved in this circus the results are easy to predict. Snyder was on Morning Joe today talking about all of the proposals currently on the table to clean this up, and when he was asked where the initial fault would be found he correctly identified the state Department of Environmental Quality and the EPA. Unfortunately for those looking to make political hay out of this, the EPA is the province of Barack Obama, and Hillary Clinton (currently holding onto the Obama legacy like a lifesaver) certainly doesn’t want any aspersions cast in that direction.

If the Democrats and their celebrity allies like Michael Moore manage to hang this around Snyder’s neck without holding the true stakeholders accountable it will be the political coup of a lifetime. It will also represent a monumental failure of the American justice system.

RickSnyder


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No demorat will be held accountable because although their schemes are usually deadly and ruinous, they CARE as shown by a pronounced head-tilt.

Bishop on February 11, 2016 at 10:46 AM

So how many decades has it been since Flint had a Republican mayor again?

ConstantineXI on February 11, 2016 at 10:46 AM

How exactly is it Snyder’s fault??

OmahaConservative on February 11, 2016 at 10:46 AM

Put the Harris County DA on the case and Snyder will be in jail in no time…

DanMan on February 11, 2016 at 10:49 AM

I post on this site,am a republican, and am somewhat conservative.

However in the Flint case the governor,his assistants, and all the officials in charge of this should resign.

Whether they botched this because of stupidity,arrogance,whatever-they need to go.

And if some of them should be prosecuted they should be.

gerrym51 on February 11, 2016 at 10:49 AM

Prediction: this investigation dies a quiet death in a few weeks after the inquisitors realize that the local Dems are the only responsible parties who meet the legal elements for manslaughter. Suddenly, it will become nothing but a “tragic accident.”

thirtyandseven on February 11, 2016 at 10:49 AM

Whoohoo!!!!

Everyone is a criminal, except the criminals!

Neitherleftorright on February 11, 2016 at 10:50 AM

…the dems were in charge and had all the info for months…as soon as the Nerd found out…he acted.
Now!…the liberals want to say “the buck stops here’?

JugEarsButtHurt on February 11, 2016 at 10:55 AM

There is no difference in Michigan government officials being charged with criminal malfeasance,
And Hillary as a government official being charged with criminal malfeasance

Let’s get on with it in both cases,

Time for Amercan Justice and the rule of law

BigSven on February 11, 2016 at 10:55 AM

If they do then there’s some New Orleans Democrats who should be brought up on Manslaughter charges for Katrina too.

It’s funny that, there, it was The Oresidents fault because the federal authority “failed”to correct the Democratic governors failures. But here it’s the Republican governor’s fault and Obama and his EPA weren’t even there!

How about manslaughter charges for Ferguson and telling the police to stand down?
Chicago?
Emails leaking secrets of intelligence agents?

Nah nah… Reality is whatever the democrats say it is today.

Skywise on February 11, 2016 at 10:56 AM

How exactly is it Snyder’s fault??

OmahaConservative on February 11, 2016 at 10:46 AM

Running for office as a republican against a democrat is a felony in Obama’s Amerikka™

ConstantineXI on February 11, 2016 at 10:56 AM

Special counsel investigating a water crisis named Flood? That’s amazing. That’s like an ice cream man named Cone.

juggler46 on February 11, 2016 at 11:00 AM

Whether they botched this because of stupidity,arrogance,whatever-they need to go.

And if some of them should be prosecuted they should be.

gerrym51 on February 11, 2016 at 10:49 AM

The Flint City Council made the choice to stop getting their water from Detroit before the new water system was on line and they made the choice to use the old antiquated system and they made the choice not to pay for the $20 test to check the water.

How is it the governor’s fault for agreeing to give funding to the new water system so that Flint and others could save a few bucks?

LoganSix on February 11, 2016 at 11:01 AM

The Flint City Council made the choice to stop getting their water from Detroit before the new water system was on line and they made the choice to use the old antiquated system and they made the choice not to pay for the $20 test to check the water.

How is it the governor’s fault for agreeing to give funding to the new water system so that Flint and others could save a few bucks?

LoganSix on February 11, 2016 at 11:01 AM

bingo

dmacleo on February 11, 2016 at 11:05 AM

Special counsel investigating a water crisis named Flood? That’s amazing. That’s like an ice cream man named Cone.

juggler46 on February 11, 2016 at 11:00 AM

I had an astronomy professor at ASU named Starfield.

Flange on February 11, 2016 at 11:06 AM

Good. Start with the Flint Mayor, Flint City Council, Mich. Dept. of Environmental Quality and the EPA. Plenty of responsible parties there.

They’ll run out of time, money, patience and jail space long before they reach a culpable Republican.

FineasFinn on February 11, 2016 at 11:06 AM

thirtyandseven on February 11, 2016 at 10:49 AM

yep

LoganSix on February 11, 2016 at 11:01 AM

ditto

DanMan on February 11, 2016 at 11:08 AM

How exactly is it Snyder’s fault??

OmahaConservative on February 11, 2016 at 10:46 AM

Well the Michigan DEQ is under his watch…

So using that logic:

Gina McCarthy should be out, since the EPA is under her watch – and they botched it too.

And McCarthy is under Obama’s watch…

Yeah, never mind – it’s all Snyder’s fault.

Hill60 on February 11, 2016 at 11:08 AM

The investigation will limit itself to republicans as a cost-savings measure.

BobMbx on February 11, 2016 at 11:16 AM

I post on this site,am a republican, and am somewhat conservative.

However in the Flint case the governor,his assistants, and all the officials in charge of this should resign.

Whether they botched this because of stupidity,arrogance,whatever-they need to go.

And if some of them should be prosecuted they should be.

gerrym51 on February 11, 2016 at 10:49 AM

I’m confused. I thought a city was responsible for its water pipes? The city has a water department that switched from Detroit to their own water system.

Flint City government screwed up. Detroit puts something in the water so lead doesn’t get into the water. Flint didn’t do that.

The state and federal EPAs are guilty of not identifying the problem quickly, but they didn’t cause it. This was the City of Flint and the Mayor should be the one hung out to dry.

huckleberryfriend on February 11, 2016 at 11:20 AM

…no one knew about it…until they read about it in the newspaper…or just like you…saw it on TV!

JugEarsButtHurt on February 11, 2016 at 11:20 AM

For his part, Snyder saw that punch coming a mile away and warned nearly a month ago that Clinton was politicizing the crisis for her own political benefit.

Wrong answer. The correct reply to accusations from Hillary is always, “Get bent Grandma”.

lowandslow on February 11, 2016 at 11:22 AM

LoganSix on February 11, 2016 at 11:01 AM

Supposedly (and I’m just relaying here) – Michigan Republicans in the state legislature changed the law so the governor could usurp control over city governments that were near or at bankruptcy status to get them financially stable again. (No manslaughter charges for THAT, of course). The governor had appointed an advisor who switched the water to save money that the city desperately needed. Tests were run and the water quality was fine from the plant – even after complaints and the city government tried to make it a political smear campaign which just led to no one taking the issue seriously. It was only after the taps were tested that they figured it out.

So the democrat city government washes it’s hands of the whole thing and blames the republican governor.

Skywise on February 11, 2016 at 11:22 AM

he investigation will limit itself to republicans as a cost-savings measure.

BobMbx on February 11, 2016 at 11:16 AM

…good one!

JugEarsButtHurt on February 11, 2016 at 11:22 AM

Flint is gonna be the “Trayvon Martin” of this election. Hillary very inartfully telegraphed this by bringing it up in her speech in New Hampshire. They had to find SOMETHING to rile up black voters this year, the whole Black Lives Matter thing has peaked so they have to find something else to scare them to the polls.

“Republicans don’t care when black folks get poisoned.” That’s what we are going to hear, from now until November.

rockmom on February 11, 2016 at 11:23 AM

We’ll ignore the minor point of having to prove someone died because of, and only because of, a minimal elevation of lead that was still still below CDC standards.

F X Muldoon on February 11, 2016 at 11:24 AM

Supposedly (and I’m just relaying here) – Michigan Republicans in the state legislature changed the law so the governor could usurp control over city governments that were near or at bankruptcy status to get them financially stable again. (No manslaughter charges for THAT, of course). The governor had appointed an advisor who switched the water to save money that the city desperately needed. Tests were run and the water quality was fine from the plant – even after complaints and the city government tried to make it a political smear campaign which just led to no one taking the issue seriously. It was only after the taps were tested that they figured it out.

So the democrat city government washes it’s hands of the whole thing and blames the republican governor.

Skywise on February 11, 2016 at 11:22 AM

Snyder appointed a DEMOCRAT to manage Flint’s fiscal affairs, precisely to avoid any charges of political favoritism or punishment of Flint. The DEMOCRAT city council voted to change the water system away from the Detroit system.

rockmom on February 11, 2016 at 11:25 AM

How exactly is it Snyder’s fault??

OmahaConservative on February 11, 2016 at 10:46 AM

The dummy claimed responsibility himself. He even called it his Katrina.

Bertram Cabot Jr. on February 11, 2016 at 11:27 AM

It was only after the taps were tested that they figured it out.

So the democrat city government washes it’s hands of the whole thing and blames the republican governor.

Skywise on February 11, 2016 at 11:22 AM

And the Democrat city council ignored the citizens complaints. But, it still required the city council to relay the information to the Governor.

Now you are talking about RICO charges against the City Council, appointed and elected.

LoganSix on February 11, 2016 at 11:30 AM

I had an astronomy professor at ASU named Starfield.

Flange on February 11, 2016 at 11:06 AM

I had an automotive engineering instructor named Dodge…..

dentarthurdent on February 11, 2016 at 11:31 AM

Any criminal charges need to start with the Flint mayor, city council, and public works director – the people who made the decision to change their water supply to save a few bucks.

dentarthurdent on February 11, 2016 at 11:33 AM

I post on this site,am a republican, and am somewhat conservative.

However in the Flint case the governor,his assistants, and all the officials in charge of this should resign.

Whether they botched this because of stupidity,arrogance,whatever-they need to go.

And if some of them should be prosecuted they should be.
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gerrym51 on February 11, 2016 at 10:49 AM
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The Flint City Council made the choice to stop getting their water from Detroit before the new water system was on line and they made the choice to use the old antiquated system and they made the choice not to pay for the $20 test to check the water.

How is it the governor’s fault for agreeing to give funding to the new water system so that Flint and others could save a few bucks?
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LoganSix on February 11, 2016 at 11:01 AM

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bingo
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dmacleo on February 11, 2016 at 11:05 AM

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HEY … gerrym51 . . . . .

Would you please counter-respond to LoganSix’s comment at 11:01 AM?
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And huckleberryfriend at 11:20 AM?

listens2glenn on February 11, 2016 at 11:34 AM

If Michigan officials are to be charged with manslaughter due to this water crap (literally) then so must Flint officials and federal officials, especially in the EPA.

Flint knew their water sucked for over 50 years ffs. They knew it was bad back in the late 1950’s when it was discovered that lead in the water ain’t a good thing. Flint knew that drawing water from the local river brought not only stinky chemicals and lead, but astounding amounts of turds and pee, which was only nominally filtered then dosed with a little chlorine.

So if you want to play politics with this issue, you have to arrest and charge more than a busload of people from the fed, state, AND the city of Flint. Nope, sorry, color of skin does not make you immune, Flint racists.

Charge them all, or stop politicizing this. Creeps.

Andy__B on February 11, 2016 at 11:34 AM

The other reason Flint needed to save money — a federal judge (Arthur Tarnow, a Clinton appointee) ruled that Flint had to pay pensions in full to retired city workers, even though it didn’t have the money to do so.

Mr. D on February 11, 2016 at 11:35 AM

oh, but where are the criminal charges for the mayor, board of Stupidvisors, and sheriff of SF, who purposely allowed a criminal illegal alien onto the streets, cuz they were an illegal sanctuary city, and he murdered Kate Steinle

Senator Philip Bluster on February 11, 2016 at 11:38 AM

HEY … gerrym51 . . . . .

Would you please counter-respond to LoganSix’s comment at 11:01 AM?
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And huckleberryfriend at 11:20 AM?
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listens2glenn on February 11, 2016 at 11:34 AM

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. . . . . continuing . . . . .
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And Skywise at 11:22 AM?
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And dentarthurdent at 11:33 AM?

listens2glenn on February 11, 2016 at 11:43 AM

Special counsel investigating a water crisis named Flood? That’s amazing. That’s like an ice cream man named Cone.
juggler46 on February 11, 2016 at 11:00 AM

An electrician named Schock (no, really…)

turfmann on February 11, 2016 at 11:46 AM

…continuing, part II…

HEY … gerrym51 . . . . .

Would you please counter-respond to LoganSix’s comment at 11:01 AM?
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And huckleberryfriend at 11:20 AM?
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listens2glenn on February 11, 2016 at 11:34 AM

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And Andy__B on 11:34 AM?

listens2glenn on February 11, 2016 at 11:47 AM

Elect people who promise ‘free sh*t’.
Repeat, repeat, repeat.
Bankrupt your municipality by repeatedly electing people who promise ‘free sh*t’.
Engender a community-wide health crisis because of the fiscal, and moral, bankruptcy.
Then find someone else to hang because you chose to commit suicide.

M240H on February 11, 2016 at 11:49 AM

I think all government (city, county, state & federal) employees should be ruled under something like the Uniform Code of Military Justice.

There should be imprisonment for someone like Lois Lerner and others for even mistakes, just as there is for members of the military.

Of course, conduct unbecoming would be a joke.

barnone on February 11, 2016 at 11:55 AM

The state and federal EPAs are guilty of not identifying the problem quickly, but they didn’t cause it. This was the City of Flint and the Mayor should be the one hung out to dry.

huckleberryfriend on February 11, 2016 at 11:20 AM

Exactly. Only one problem. The entire City Council and the Mayor are Democrats.

Speaking of murder or manslaughter, Flint City Council member Wantwaz Davis should know. He was elected to the council in 2013, and served 19 years in prison after pleading guilty to second-degree murder in 1991. And Councilman Eric Mays pleaded guilty to felonious assault in 1987 and served a year of probation. But they are Democrats, so murder and felonious assault are resume enhancers.

The Michigan Board of State Canvassers just certified a recall petition to recall Governor Snyder because of the Flint water crisis. However, there are no recall petitions floating around to recall the Flint City Council or the Mayor, who made the decision to suck water out of the polluted Flint River and pipe it into people’s homes.

GAlpha10 on February 11, 2016 at 11:55 AM

So how many decades has it been since Flint had a Republican mayor again?

ConstantineXI on February 11, 2016 at 10:46 AM

Prior to 1974 Flint’s mayor was basically a figurehead. When Flint changed their City Charter in 1974, that gave Flint a strong mayor. Since 1974, every single mayor of Flint was/is a Democrat. Same goes for their City Council.

Oh BTW: Michael Moore never lived in Flint. I was born & raised in Flint. Moore’s family hails from all white Davison MI. Which is near Flint, but nonetheless all white.

Conservative4Ever on February 11, 2016 at 12:02 PM

It will also represent a monumental failure of the American justice system.- Jazz Shaw

How cute! Jazz actually think the law still works in this banana republic. Of course he also thinks cops should be able to murder anyone they like. Typical gruber.

earlgrey on February 11, 2016 at 12:05 PM

listens2glenn. Feb 11, 2016 at 11:47 am

Lots of misinformation in the comments on this thread. The reason the State is being blamed is that the City had been under the control of State-appointed emergency manager since 2011 and it was the manager who made the decision to switch from Detroit water in order to save money. The Mayor and City Council had no authority in the matter. Here’s a timeline of events:
http://michiganradio.org/post/timeline-heres-how-flint-water-crisis-unfolded#stream/0

cam2 on February 11, 2016 at 1:26 PM

That being said, the idea of manslaughter charges is ridiculous. No one has died!!!

cam2 on February 11, 2016 at 1:38 PM

How exactly is it Snyder’s fault??

OmahaConservative on February 11, 2016 at 10:46 AM

There are allegations the state government changed the lead level reports to hide the problem.

Tlaloc on February 11, 2016 at 1:49 PM

I’m confused. I thought a city was responsible for its water pipes? The city has a water department that switched from Detroit to their own water system.

Flint City government screwed up. Detroit puts something in the water so lead doesn’t get into the water. Flint didn’t do that.

The state and federal EPAs are guilty of not identifying the problem quickly, but they didn’t cause it. This was the City of Flint and the Mayor should be the one hung out to dry.

huckleberryfriend on February 11, 2016 at 11:20 AM

From what I’ve read, the lead comes from the pipes, not the water. When they switched water supplies, the new water started corroding and eroding the lead pipe, putting the lead into the water.

Regardless of the crappy water they switched to, shouldn’t the city have removed all of the lead pipe decades ago? The city of Dallas did exactly that back in the 1970s (lead pipe was used to connect the mains to residential meters).

Ward Cleaver on February 11, 2016 at 1:58 PM

The Mayor and City Council had no authority in the matter. Here’s a timeline of events:
http://michiganradio.org/post/timeline-heres-how-flint-water-crisis-unfolded#stream/0

cam2 on February 11, 2016 at 1:26 PM

Did you read it yourself?
The city council voted on leaving the Detroit Water.
The city officials told the State Treasure what was to be tested.

The Emergency Manager made the decisions based on what the council recommended, even if it was wrong or if they had the power to do so. It also seems that most of the EMs had previous relationships with the City Council.

The rot and the stink comes from the City Council

LoganSix on February 11, 2016 at 2:05 PM

There are allegations the state government changed the lead level reports to hide the problem

Unless you can show proof, it never happened.

GAlpha10 on February 11, 2016 at 2:37 PM

The problem was not actually using the Flint River as the water supply. The problem was making the decision not to install $100 filters to remove the contaminates that would cause the lead in the pipes to leach into the water. Had the water from the Flint River been properly treated by the Flint Water Department, none of this would have happened.

GAlpha10 on February 11, 2016 at 2:40 PM

Unless you can show proof, it never happened.

GAlpha10 on February 11, 2016 at 2:37 PM

There’s a reason I used the word ‘allegations.’ Maybe you should look up what it means.

Tlaloc on February 11, 2016 at 2:42 PM

Well the Michigan DEQ is under his watch…

So using that logic:

Gina McCarthy should be out, since the EPA is under her watch – and they botched it too.

And McCarthy is under Obama’s watch…

Yeah, never mind – it’s all Snyder’s fault.

Hill60 on February 11, 2016 at 11:08 AM

This.

unclesmrgol on February 11, 2016 at 2:56 PM

listens2glenn on February 11, 2016 at 11:47 AM

I said ALL of them. Both republicans and democrats at all levels

gerrym51 on February 11, 2016 at 3:11 PM

There’s a reason I used the word ‘allegations.’ Maybe you should look up what it means.

Tlaloc on February 11, 2016 at 2:42 PM

Maybe you should consider what it means when you twist yourself up defending hilLIARy.

dentarthurdent on February 11, 2016 at 3:21 PM

Maybe you should consider what it means when you twist yourself up defending hilLIARy.

dentarthurdent on February 11, 2016 at 3:21 PM

The issue with the hillary allegations is you guys refuse to acknowledge they are allegations and instead insist they are absolute fact.

So, no, you’re again completely wrong here.

Tlaloc on February 11, 2016 at 3:36 PM

The issue with the hillary allegations is you guys refuse to acknowledge they are allegations and instead insist they are absolute fact.

So, no, you’re again completely wrong here.

Tlaloc on February 11, 2016 at 3:36 PM

So you don’t understand what it means or what the difference is.
What “facts” do you have regarding the lead reports being changed?

On the other side, we have the following “facts”:
hilLIARy ordered the purchase and use of a private email server in violation of federal law.
hilLIARy’s unclassified unprotected email server had thousands of emails with classified information in them in violation of federal law.
Those emails with classified information are not properly marked according to federal law.
There are many more, but those 3 FACTS alone are enough to put any other peasant in prison for 20 years.

So far, it’s only an “allegation” that hilLIARy directly ordered people to delete security classification markings and transmit that classified information over an unprotected system.
But that would just be one more violation of the law on top of the many factual law violations we already know about.

So now – what “facts” do you have to support your “allegation” that someone at the state level changed lead reports?

dentarthurdent on February 11, 2016 at 3:51 PM

On the other side, we have the following “facts”:
hilLIARy ordered the purchase and use of a private email server in violation of federal law.
hilLIARy’s unclassified unprotected email server had thousands of emails with classified information in them in violation of federal law.
Those emails with classified information are not properly marked according to federal law.
There are many more, but those 3 FACTS alone are enough to put any other peasant in prison for 20 years.

dentarthurdent on February 11, 2016 at 3:51 PM

No none of those are facts, actually, not even the first one since you tacked on “in violation of federal law” which is disputed by legal experts.

Hence my point before- you are insisting your allegations are facts when they aren’t.

Tlaloc on February 11, 2016 at 3:54 PM

Interesting that it looks like the EPA stormtroopers and the Libtard mayor of Flint are getting off Scot free.

Dr. ZhivBlago on February 11, 2016 at 4:07 PM

No none of those are facts, actually, not even the first one since you tacked on “in violation of federal law” which is disputed by legal experts.

Hence my point before- you are insisting your allegations are facts when they aren’t.

Tlaloc on February 11, 2016 at 3:54 PM

Those are all facts.
What this means is you don’t understand the English language – and you don’t know what a fact is.
So you’re too stupid to be making comments out in public.
Go back to your video games and leave the discussion to the adults.

dentarthurdent on February 11, 2016 at 4:09 PM

Those are all facts.

dentarthurdent on February 11, 2016 at 4:09 PM

No, they aren’t, dent. The IG saying something doesn’t make it a fact, it makes it a claim, and in this case that claim is an allegation. You and your fellow inmates repeating the claim ad nauseam also doesn’t magically make it a fact.

Again the words have meaning, you don’t get to just substitute what you want them to mean for what they actually mean. Sorry.

Tlaloc on February 11, 2016 at 4:14 PM

you should all read wikipedia on this

In March 2013, the Flint city council voted to switch their water supply from the Detroit Water and Sewerage Department (DWSD) to the new $233 million Lake Huron-sourced Karegnondi Water Authority (KWA).[9] The switch was approved by the Flint emergency manager.[10] DWSD strongly opposed Flint being allowed to join KWA and released a document accusing Flint of starting a ‘water war’ and asked the state to block Flint’s participation in KWA.[11] Between 2011 and 2015, Flint was in receivership, with city finances controlled by a series of four emergency managers appointed by Governor Snyder.[12]

State Treasurer Andy Dillon approved Flint joining KWA but gave DWSD the opportunity to make a final offer to convince Flint to stay on Detroit water.[13] Flint declined the final DWSD offer. Immediately after Flint declined the offer, DWSD gave Flint notice that their long-standing water agreement would terminate in twelve months.[14] This meant that Flint’s water agreement with Detroit would end in April 2014 but construction of KWA was not expected to be completed until the end of 2016. Therefore, in April 2014 (when the water agreement terminated), Flint switched their water supply from DWSD to Flint’s backup supply, the Flint River. The Flint river was expected to supply potable water until KWA construction was completed in 2016

Humorously one of the first complaint was GM who use Flint
water….their parts started to corrode.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flint_water_crisis

r keller on February 11, 2016 at 4:14 PM

No, they aren’t, dent. The IG saying something doesn’t make it a fact, it makes it a claim, and in this case that claim is an allegation. You and your fellow inmates repeating the claim ad nauseam also doesn’t magically make it a fact.

Again the words have meaning, you don’t get to just substitute what you want them to mean for what they actually mean. Sorry.

Tlaloc on February 11, 2016 at 4:14 PM

Amazing how someone so incredibly stupid as you can actually type.
I really didn’t think someone with a single digit IQ would be able to type – but here you are.

dentarthurdent on February 11, 2016 at 4:17 PM

Unless you can show proof, it never happened.

Sorry, it doesn’t work that way. Throwing out an “allegation” without a link or a shred of proof is pure trolling.

GAlpha10 on February 11, 2016 at 4:20 PM

Amazing how someone so incredibly stupid as you can actually type.
I really didn’t think someone with a single digit IQ would be able to type – but here you are.

dentarthurdent on February 11, 2016 at 4:17 PM

So you won’t learn to use the words correctly, then?

Pity.

Tlaloc on February 11, 2016 at 4:26 PM

Fact: The Official State Department FOIA website has 1,583 emails that were on HRC’s illegal, unsecure, private email server/system that contain classified information (classified information redacted, of course, to protect our national security).

Fact: Maintaining classified information on an unapproved and unauthorized medium (such as an illegal, unsecure, private email server/system) is a violation of the Espionage Act.

Fact: The 1,583 emails containing classified information constitutes 1,583 violations of federal law (Espionage Act). Not to mention multiple violations for each of the 1,583 emails for “spilling” the emails from a secure, classified network onto an illegal, unsecure, private email server/system, removing the classification markings, deleting the emails from the server (or attempting to), and others.

There is no disputing these facts. Unless you are willing to dispute anything and everything provided as facts by the US government. If that is the case, there is no use discussing anything with mindless trolls.

GAlpha10 on February 11, 2016 at 4:28 PM

There is no disputing these facts. Unless you are willing to dispute anything and everything provided as facts by the US government. If that is the case, there is no use discussing anything with mindless trolls.

GAlpha10 on February 11, 2016 at 4:28 PM

Actually there’s plenty to dispute in your ‘facts.’ You take a great many assumptions and treat them as if they were facts. Here’s a prime example: “The Official State Department FOIA website has 1,583 emails that were on HRC’s illegal, unsecure, private email server/system that contain classified information.” The bolded words are the only actual facts there. The rest is a mishmash of unsubstantiated claims and wishful thinking.

Tlaloc on February 11, 2016 at 4:34 PM

This little tidbit could throw a little hitch in their get along.
http://www.vox.com/2016/2/3/10904120/lead-exposure-flint-pennsylvania

Deckard on February 11, 2016 at 4:38 PM

So you won’t learn to use the words correctly, then?
Pity.

Tlaloc on February 11, 2016 at 4:26 PM

Try these – you’re a pathetically stupid loser – village idiot who thinks he’s the king.

dentarthurdent on February 11, 2016 at 4:39 PM

Try these – you’re a pathetically stupid loser – village idiot who thinks he’s the king.

dentarthurdent on February 11, 2016 at 4:39 PM

You mad bro?

Tlaloc on February 11, 2016 at 4:40 PM

He’s going to be “perp walked” on every national station, just like the videographer, whose video was blamed on the Benghazi attack.

djaymick on February 11, 2016 at 4:46 PM

LoganSix. Feb 11, 2016 at 2:05 pm

Look, there is a good reason why the Governor is accepting responsibility for this nightmare. His emergency manager approved the switch to save money, his staff were aware of the complaints early on, and his Dept. of Environmental Quality totally dropped the ball on fixing the problem. Indeed, his own investigatory task force, appointed to investigate after the sh*t hit the fan, placed ultimate responsibility on the DEQ.
http://www.mlive.com/news/flint/index.ssf/2015/12/five_takeways_for_the_flint_wa.html

cam2 on February 11, 2016 at 4:47 PM

You mad bro?

Tlaloc on February 11, 2016 at 4:40 PM

Not at all. I think the monkeys throwing crap around are funny.

I’m curious though – does it hurt when the wind whistles through your ears?

dentarthurdent on February 11, 2016 at 4:49 PM

Not at all. I think the monkeys throwing crap around are funny.

dentarthurdent on February 11, 2016 at 4:49 PM

You’re awfully hostile for not being mad. Just saying…

Tlaloc on February 11, 2016 at 4:57 PM

You’re awfully hostile for not being mad. Just saying…

Tlaloc on February 11, 2016 at 4:57 PM

I figure your level of stupid must hurt somehow, and I know it’s hard to think when I have a bad headache, so maybe if the pain could be stopped you might be able to actually think before you post the incredibly stupid crap you throw out here.

dentarthurdent on February 11, 2016 at 5:05 PM

Actually there’s plenty to dispute in your ‘facts.’ You take a great many assumptions and treat them as if they were facts. Here’s a prime example: “The Official State Department FOIA website has 1,583 emails that were on HRC’s illegal, unsecure, private email server/system that contain classified information.” The bolded words are the only actual facts there. The rest is a mishmash of unsubstantiated claims and wishful thinking.

Tlaloc on February 11, 2016 at 4:34 PM

If you got off your high, sanctimonious horse and actually visited the Official State Department FIOA website, and did a search for Case #F-2014-20439, you would see with your own tainted eyes the emails to and from HRC that have been officially given a classification level, most dating from the original date of the email being sent. That means that it is an undisputable fact that classified information was found on HRC’s email server/system. A server/system, that, by the way, was in violation of the Federal Records Act (a felony), making it an illegal server/system. It did not have the protocols for securing classified information (in violation of the Espionage Act, a felony), making it unsecure. Finally, the server was set up for her private use and the use of her closest staff, in her home (initially) making it private.

But if you are too lazy to view any of the 1,583 emails on the Official State Department website you can continue to make a fool of yourself by denying obvious facts.

Oh, by the way, the Official State Department spokesman has confirmed that classified information was found within the emails from her illegal, unsecure, private email server/system. So, you calling him a liar?

GAlpha10 on February 11, 2016 at 6:08 PM

Oh, in addition, the very first email listed on the Official State Department FOIA website has been given a Confidential Classification, so you wouldn’t have to look to far to find the facts. Note also that HRC sent the classified email to Robert V. Russo, a State Department employee, directing him to print the email containing classified information (forwarding an email outside of SIPRNET or JWICS is a violation of the Espionage Act, a felony). Unless the printing was done from within a SCIF, logged, and provided with the proper coversheet, additional felonies were committed.

Just the facts, ma’am.

GAlpha10 on February 11, 2016 at 6:17 PM

dentarthurdent on February 11, 2016 at 5:05 PM

As I noted on a different thread, he/she/it is “stuck on stupid”.

GAlpha10 on February 11, 2016 at 6:20 PM