Cruz to GOP: It’s either me or Trump

posted at 8:01 pm on February 10, 2016 by Ed Morrissey

Premature or prophetic? While analysts tried to figure out who had a “ticket” coming out of New Hampshire, Ted Cruz told Salem’s Mike Gallagher that only two tickets exist — at least in first class. With a win in Iowa and a surprising third-place finish last night, Cruz warned the Republican Party that he’s the only one in the field who can dethrone Trump:

“South Carolina historically has played a critical role picking presidents. And I think Iowa and New Hampshire perform an incredibly important function in narrowing the field and in many ways this field is becoming a two-person race between me and Donald Trump,” the Texas senator said on the Mike Gallagher Show Wednesday. “What Iowa and New Hampshire demonstrate is that the only person in this field who can beat Donald Trump is me. The other candidates are not able to beat Donald Trump.”

In large part, this might be true because Cruz is the only one who appears to be trying to beat Trump. Jeb Bush is trying to beat Marco Rubio in order to seize the so-called “establishment lane.” So was Chris Christie, who flamed out in New Hampshire while Rubio’s continuing on to South Carolina. Rubio has been mostly returning fire and taking aim at Obama, but has avoided challenging Trump. Bush is also trying to beat Kasich, and Kasich is mostly just trying to expand his own name recognition and organization. The second tier — now reduced to Ben Carson and Carly Fiorina — wants to attack the Republican establishment. After many months of drafting behind Trump’s momentum, Cruz has finally and fully gone on offense against the national polling leader, and he’s not pulling punches.

Rather than comment on a lack of intestinal fortitude in the field, Cruz offers a strange accusation about the others taking on Trump from the Left:

After a first place finish in the Iowa caucuses last week, Cruz finished third in New Hampshire on Tuesday, behind Trump and John Kasich. Cruz said he is the only candidate positioned to challenge Trump from the right.

“You can’t beat Donald coming from the left. It doesn’t work,” he said. “If you campaign against Donald saying, ‘hey, I’m more liberal than you I’m more into amnesty than you, I’ll be softer on radical Islamic terrorists than you, it doesn’t work, as we’ve seen twice in Iowa and New Hampshire.”

Come on, man. This is an Obama-worthy straw man. Which Republican put forward an argument for being softer on Islamic terrorists, for instance? For that matter, where was Cruz until Trump started pulling out the birther card? Cruz has an case to make for being The Last Great Hope against Trump, but … this ain’t it.

Still, until the other candidates start directly challenging Trump, Cruz wins this argument — by default.


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Trump is severe hard core on immigration, as right on the American spectrum you can get.

Cruz, well, not to the right of Trump on this.

Another cynical campaign tactic?

Come on Cruz, I know you are better than these blatant lies.

TexasDude on February 10, 2016 at 9:51 PM

So you are totally ignorant of the fact that Trump is supporting touchback amnesty with citizenship even a possibility for them.

Cruz isn’t lying – you’re just being taken for a ride by Trump and not actually listening to what he’s saying he would and wouldn’t do.

Rational Db8 on February 10, 2016 at 11:33 PM

Who needs to constantly unravel what The Donald says in his “Live at the Improv” speeches?

Maybe a little preparedness (with facts) and less vacuous hyperbole would go a long way into making him a credible president.

onlineanalyst on February 10, 2016 at 9:54 PM

B – I – N – G – O !!

Rational Db8 on February 10, 2016 at 11:35 PM

katee bayer on February 10, 2016 at 9:52 PM

Katee, I’m so very sorry to hear what your family and your son are having to go through. At least it is operable, I was so glad to hear that. How soon will they operate? I can’t even begin say how much I hope the surgery all goes smoothly and is successful – and that your son has a smooth recovery.

Rational Db8 on February 10, 2016 at 11:39 PM

TexasDude on February 10, 2016 at 9:57 PM

Oh please. Heritage put forward that compromise plan as a possible way to defeat Hillarycare and divorce insurance from employers. It was NOT what they preferred or wanted. It only briefly got support as a possible replacement, and then was entirely dropped when they were able to get rid of Hillarycare without it.

Trying to use that as an excuse for supporting Obamacare today is utterly absurd. It’s a typical liberal/progressive/Democrat/socialist misleading talking point.

Rational Db8 on February 10, 2016 at 11:43 PM

I am in awe of Irrational Db8 telling us in no uncertain terms that Medicare and Medicaid are not single-payer systems, and that a “state” cannot have a single-payer health care system, despite various states, including MA and Vermont, having come close to instituting single-payer systems.

Joseph K on February 10, 2016 at 10:00 PM

I’m in awe of your lies and misrepresentations. Medicare is NOT single payer. Or perhaps you need to go tell my Dad and every other senior on it that they no longer need to make their monthly premium payments into it. Oh, and that they don’t need to buy medi-gap either.

Where did I EVER say a state can’t have single payer? Of course they can if they decide they want to do so. I didn’t say anything remotely like that.

Why don’t you try the truth for once?

Rational Db8 on February 10, 2016 at 11:47 PM

katee bayer on February 10, 2016 at 10:01 PM

Trump has already said he’ll violate the Constitution exactly as Obama has been if he can’t get something through Congress. If you took an oath to defend the Constitution, how can you vote for someone who makes no bones about intending to violate it?

Rational Db8 on February 10, 2016 at 11:49 PM

Most of Washington (well, almost everybody) hates Ted Cruz. I hate everybody in Washington and would throw the lot out. So, Ted is my buddy: the enemy of my enemy is my friend.

KCsecurity1976 on February 11, 2016 at 12:14 AM

I am going to ask both of you, where is Cruz’s plan to repeal those single payer programs?

If he doesn’t have one, then I guess you support a guy who supports single payer.

NWConservative on February 10, 2016 at 10:02 PM

We’re not talking about those. We are talking about expanding a program like those. Those haven’t been the definition of success, so why would we double down? Once the feds give an entitlement; it is almost impossible to overturn it. Why another entitlement. Let the free market sort it out. A lot of people were uninsured by choice pre-o’care.

melle1228 on February 10, 2016 at 10:08 PM

So NWConservative guesses wrong yet again. No surprise there. And again, Medicare isn’t single payer, and it’s questionable to call Medicaid single payer too. What’s more, Trump is saying he’d put the entire bottom 25% of the population on single payer – that’s something totally new that would be a massive cost to the government that he’s given no way to pay for it. He’s also said he wouldn’t touch entitlements, so they’d continue going down the drain, when some relatively minor tweaks would allow them to be solvent. Anyhow, here’s a start for you, although I wouldn’t be surprised if you don’t bother to actually look into it anyhow:

https://www.conservativereview.com/2016-presidential-candidates/candidates/ted-cruz (then click on the health care link)

http://www.breitbart.com/video/2015/03/27/cruz-lays-out-his-obamacare-replacement-plan/

See here for complete text of the Health Care Choice Act.

Rational Db8 on February 11, 2016 at 12:25 AM

Trump has never advocated for touchback amnesty, an idea floated by Mike Pence, who is in no way connected to his campaign. “Letting them come right back in an expedited fashion” means they have to apply from outside the US and get in the back of the line. Trump just told Bill O’Reilly he doesn’t think they are entitled to due process.

ezspirit on February 11, 2016 at 12:32 AM

Rational Db8 on February 10, 2016 at 10:01 PM

Yes the voters don’t like him and don’t trust him… but they trust HILLARY less. so that arguement is a wash. I get that folks dont like him okay? i get it. if i could i would pull the lever for Cruz in a heartbeat because out of all my choices he is the one who SEEMS to be more compatible to my moral values and core beliefs. However i truly do not think he stands a snowballs chance in hades of getting the nomination. That leaves us with Trump , Bernie or Hillary… none of those options are great but i sure as heck Can’t vote for Hillary or Bernie without VIOLATING my SWORN OATH.

katee bayer on February 10, 2016 at 10:09 PM

That’s really disingenuous. Of course it’s not a wash. the issue was which would have a better chance of beating Hillary. Trump is hated, generally, about as much or more than Hillary. Cruz on the other hand does far better overall. In fact Trump’s fav/unfav numbers and so on are so horrible, some even worse than Hillary’s, that he’ll have a far harder time beating her than Cruz. Especially since within just the last few years Trump has sung Hillary’s and Obama’s praises to high heavens, even saying that Hillary was the best Sect. of State ever, would be a great president, etc.

“However i truly do not think he stands a snowballs chance in hades of getting the nomination.”

Well, people like you who CLAIM to prefer him yet work against him constantly while favoring Trump sure won’t help him get nominated. It makes me suspect that you don’t prefer Cruz, that you actually prefer Trump and are just trying to make it seem otherwise. You say you can’t vote for Hillary or Bernie, giving it huge emphasis: without VIOLATING my SWORN OATH and yet you apparently have no problems voting for Trump, even though he’s grossly corrupt, brags about buying political favors, and says that he will violate the Constitution exactly as Obama has been, supports big government, crony capitalism, etc., etc. So exactly how is it so much easier for you to vote for Trump – and push him for the nomination too, when he’s said point blank he’ll violate the Constitution?

Rational Db8 on February 11, 2016 at 12:34 AM

Trump consistently has the WORST favorable/unfavorable ratio in the polls of all the candidates

He completed flipped the republican favorable/unfavorable numbers in two months.

Hogwash. His numbers did get significantly better – he didn’t in any way “complete flip” them, and his favorable/unfav. is still the worst of all the GOP candidates, by far.

Plus a large percentage of Trump’s supporters seems to be people that are very unlikely to actually vote.

And New Hampshire just proved you incredibly wrong.

Again, hogwash. NH obviously helped him, and it’s one of the best states for him – but it didn’t prove that figure “incredibly wrong” at all, especially when you also consider Iowa – where the most new voters went to Cruz.

Dec 4, 2015: Democrats think Donald Trump would be the easiest Republican to beat next November but they fear Marco Rubio.

There you are. I knew your mask would slip and the future “reluctant” Rubio supporter would be shown.

You really are a complete idiot. I QUOTED an article which made a comment based on statistics. That says exactly ZERO about me. As usual, you are disingenuously spinning just to be a jerk.

And yet you forget to include the actual polls that matter.

Here we are with Trump winning all demos in New Hampshire and winning many demos in Iowa as well as winning equal amounts of women and men in both Iowa and New Hampshire.

Live by the polls and die by the polls right?

NWConservative on February 10, 2016 at 10:18 PM

I didn’t “forget” to include anything. Again, the issue wasn’t how Trump might do in the GOP nomination process. It was how he would be likely to do in the GENERAL election. Trust you to try moving the goalposts right out of the stadium just to claim you win.

FAIL.

Rational Db8 on February 11, 2016 at 12:44 AM

Those same Democrats also think a shrine should be built in Hillary’s honor. If you are truly a conservative why would you care what THOSE people think? They ALSO shilled for a week about how HILLARY had NH in the bag didnt they? Political pundits have been known to be wrong in the past.

As for his record… WHAT record? He has NEVER been a politician he is a businessman and business works the way it works. Yes he has admitted to buying politicians favors in the past he has admitted to a lot of shady things right out in the open. as for flip flopping… EVERY LAST ONE OF THEM has done it . Why is it okay for other folks but not Trump? the arguments you are making against Trump can be made of almost every single other person in Washington.

It is obvious you are not going to change your mind. You loathe the man and have every right to your opinion. Well guess what i have that right as well, all I am trying to do is point out that while he is a troll for all extents and purposes he is not the devil .

And if you can’t get past your PERSONAL feelings against the man then we are all doomed to HRC for pres.

Ive tried to present my reasoning in a logical manner but you are all determined not to hear me.You dont want to hear me. and that is exactly why we are in the trouble we are in now.

We are once again repeating the same mistakes we made in 2008 and again in 2012. we have turned this into conservative against conservative and have started eating our own so to speak. All i am attempting to do is point out a few rational reasons others can use on election day to help them plug their nose and pull the lever.

katee bayer on February 10, 2016 at 10:21 PM

Now you’ve gone totally off the rails. Those Dems, for the most part, don’t like Hillary at all. Have you really not bothered to look up any of her polling internals? Then you ask “why do I care what they think?” The ISSUE was how Trump would likely do against Hillary compared to Cruz. Remember? Now if you don’t think that who the Dems think they’ll have the easiest time beating, fine – but that’s a bit short sighted because of course they know who they’ve got the most ammunition against and who they’re likely to have the easiest and hardest time beating.

I didn’t hear any Dem pundits claiming Hillary had NH in the bag – the polls showed Bernie with a HUGE lead there.

Of COURSE Trump has a record. A very very long one. What do you think all the news articles about his antics and problems throughout the years are? You don’t have to be a politician to have a public record. I can’t believe you even said that. Just look up his massive and record breaking bankruptcies, Trump Steaks, the three failed Trump Magazines, the failed Trump board game, the failed Trump airline with it’s gold toilet seats, Trump Ice, GoTrump.com, Trump Vodka all failed, Trump Steakhouse in Las Vegas shut down after 51 health code violations, including expired yogurt and five-month old duck, and his failed football ownership and horrible judgement that resulted in killing the entire football league. His three failed marriages and violent rape of his one wife. That’s just a tiny listing of Trump’s record.

Why in the world are you trying to rationalize away his corruption? You say “why is that ok for everyone else but not Trump?” Sorry, but “everyone else” in the GOP group of candidates doesn’t have anything even close to Trump’s massive baggage – trying to pretend they’re somehow all the same and therefore Trump should be forgiven/excused is ludicrous.

And NO, “every last one of them” has NOT flip flopped anywhere near the amount that Trump has. If you honestly think they have, you are either fibbing to yourself to rationalize your choice, or you haven’t even begun to look into Trump’s history compared to the others, especially Cruz.

Then you go into strawman hyperbole. Where did I ever claim Trump was the devil? Nowhere.

Of COURSE you have the right to your opinion, as I do to mine. Where have I in any way suggested otherwise? And I cannot believe you’re trying to pretend this is somehow a “personal” feeling that I have about Trump, when I’ve posted fact after fact about him, his behavior, his policies, his lies, his flip flopping, his demagoguery, etc., and taken issue with those, NOT with any personal feeling.

Ive tried to present my reasoning in a logical manner but you are all determined not to hear me.You dont want to hear me. and that is exactly why we are in the trouble we are in now.

What utter baloney. Obviously I DID pay a lot of attention to your logic. I went through and countered all of your points with actual FACTS. You simply don’t like actual facts about Trump, because if you actually paid attention to them rather than rationalizing everything away, you couldn’t support him – and you clearly support him, not Cruz as you’ve tried to claim.

The mistake we made in 2008 and 2012 was nominating squishy candidates that the base disliked and that many felt were Dem Lites rather than conservatives. Sure, there’s a bit of a circular firing squad – they’re each trying to win the nomination. I don’t see much other way to go about it – except to refuse to support a candidate that is a fickle and mercurial as Trump who keeps using lies for character assassination. But he’s the guy you support anyhow. And gee, he’s to the LEFT of most of the other candidates, just like McCain and Romney were. So yeah, in some ways we are repeating 2008 and 2012. Somehow I don’t think that’s quite what you meant, however.

Rational Db8 on February 11, 2016 at 1:08 AM

Trump blatantly used veterans as a prop in Iowa.

He raised 6 million dollars for charity. That was not a prop.

Of COURSE he was using them as a prop. That it raised some funding for them doesn’t change that one bit. He could have done that any time, yet for years prior he’d given almost nothing to veterans even though he’s worth billions, and he certainly hadn’t ever done a fund raiser for them. He ONLY did this one because he needed something to counter him not going to the debate and to try to show them up. He failed dismally. He claimed they’d get no viewers – 1 to 2 million at the most – and he’d get between 10 to 20 million. Instead they got a slight INCREASE in viewership from the previous debate, 12.5 M, and he got all of 2.7M viewers. And he required one charity to accept the check one stage in front of the cameras or not get any of the funds.

And you’re sitting there trying to claim the whole thing wasn’t blatantly using the veterans as a political prop. That’s downright delusional.

Cruz with his big ten revival meetings with sermons and bibles and Jesus and praising TO GOD BE THE GLORY after he stole Carson’s votes. That was sickening pandering.

More idiocy. Cruz IS religious, so of course he lets other voters who care about that know. But I guess you missed Trump’s ads where he was showing off the supposed bible from his mother – yet another prop. Trump has a very long history of setting up props that way to make people believe what he wants them to – and I am referring to quite a few of his documented business dealings. Having workers drive heavy equipment around like mad on a specific day and time on a site that was totally idle otherwise, just to convince investors that it was a major project well underway, similar tricks to try to fool regulators, etc., etc.

Oh, and exactly what do you call Trump’s “increase ethanol” bit in Iowa? talk about major pandering! Cruz called for eliminating all subsidies including ethanol, even when everyone said NO ONE could win Iowa if they didn’t support ethanol. He won anyhow.

Trump has done essentially nothing for veterans over the years,

Lies.

ROFLMAO!! You really are allergic to actual facts. Let’s see you PROVE that Trump did so much for veterans over the years when he’s a multibillionare. 2009-2013 he donated all of 57K. Someone found $1M over 30 years ago either for a monument or parade – exactly how does THAT help veterans now or in recent years? You get confronted with actual facts, and all you’ve got is the schoolyard “liar liar pants on fire!” when you’ve already been proven wrong and can’t even begin to support your own position. Pathetic.

Do I need to also point out that raising money for veterans isn’t increasing funding for the military in any way?

Rational Db8 on February 10, 2016 at 10:15 PM

Because increasing funding for government programs is now a conservative virtue.

NWConservative on February 10, 2016 at 10:25 PM

Are you really that incredible dense? Funding our military, which is a clear Constitutional power of the federal government and one of it’s primary functions, if not THE primarily function, has always been a conservative value.

Rational Db8 on February 11, 2016 at 1:25 AM

Oh great. Deranged debate is answering two hours back, I’m done with this thread.

NWConservative on February 10, 2016 at 10:31 PM

Good riddance. Some of us have other things to do than sit here waiting for your posts and immediately replying to them. Get a life why don’t you.

Rational Db8 on February 11, 2016 at 1:27 AM

Yet Trump is infamous for that very same reason. When it comes to the finances I am more inclined to believe Trump knows what he is doing.

katee bayer on February 10, 2016 at 10:32 PM

ROFL!! Yeah, you got that right – Trump is infamous for his “deals.” Somehow I don’t think you quite grasp the meaning of the word. If you trust Trump knows what he’s doing, you haven’t looked up his history of very public massive failures. You also apparently aren’t aware of the history of tariffs and protectionism, which Trump strongly supports rather than free trade – little hint, such practices were the primary cause of the Great Depression and World War II.

Rational Db8 on February 11, 2016 at 1:31 AM

Trump has never advocated for touchback amnesty, an idea floated by Mike Pence, who is in no way connected to his campaign. “Letting them come right back in an expedited fashion” means they have to apply from outside the US and get in the back of the line. Trump just told Bill O’Reilly he doesn’t think they are entitled to due process.

ezspirit on February 11, 2016 at 12:32 AM

Yes, he has, multiple times. In fact he says he’d create an expedited system to re-import almost all that he deports, giving them permanent legal resident status and maybe even citizenship. Here’s just one example for you: Trump Goes Mushy, Incoherent on Immigration

Wait – you DO know the meaning of the word “expedited” right? That means FRONT of the line, not back – and a special program, not the regular system.

I caught his bit saying they don’t get due process too. Blows my mind that’s so amazingly ignorant.

Rational Db8 on February 11, 2016 at 1:37 AM

Rational Db8 is my hero. Please continue showing the light of truth to the blind trump supporters.

Defenestratus on February 11, 2016 at 7:16 AM

Cruz to GOP: It’s either me or Trump

Yep. The time is nearing for people to decide, do I want a Conservative or do I want a moderate left leaner. You choose. Choose wisely, there is no do over.

Bmore on February 11, 2016 at 8:42 AM

Come on, man. This is an Obama-worthy straw man.

You’re completely wrong. It makes total sense. The rest of the group IS to the left of Trump on immigration. It’s a fact. You might not like to admit that, but it’s true.

And in the case of Kasich, hell… he’s to the left of Trump on just about everything! LOL

Nineball on February 11, 2016 at 9:15 AM

Well. South Carolina is the acid test. Trump has very little ground game, he is counting on the other candidates to block for him. Will it work, doubtful. In reality, there are only three ‘real candidates’ left. And only one has a southern wide ground game, and good will among the likely GOP voters. But the voters will decide. But Cruz has every reason to be confident. Sometimes pundits get to far in the weeds, and ignore the basics. This may be one of those cases.

flackcatcher on February 11, 2016 at 9:17 AM

Rational Db8 on February 10, 2016 at 11:47 PM

Why would you say Medicare is not single payer?

Zomcon JEM on February 11, 2016 at 9:31 AM

Cruz to GOP: It’s either me or Trump

Trump then

ChuckTX on February 11, 2016 at 9:50 AM

Cruz is correct, however w/o Trump it is Cruz vs. Rubio or ¡Jeb! and Cruz will lose.

Redstone on February 11, 2016 at 10:21 AM

Good riddance. Some of us have other things to do than sit here waiting for your posts and immediately replying to them. Get a life why don’t you.

Rational Db8 on February 11, 2016 at 1:27 AM

Clearly not you, though.

Redstone on February 11, 2016 at 10:23 AM

Trump.

petunia on February 11, 2016 at 11:53 AM

Oh great. Deranged debate is answering two hours back, I’m done with this thread.

NWConservative on February 10, 2016 at 10:31 PM


Good riddance. Some of us have other things to do than sit here waiting for your posts and immediately replying to them. Get a life why don’t you.

Rational Db8 on February 11, 2016 at 1:27 AM

LOL!!! You spent the entire night replying to my posts!

The. Irony. Is. Delicious.

:D

NWConservative on February 11, 2016 at 11:59 AM

Why would you say Medicare is not single payer?

Zomcon JEM on February 11, 2016 at 9:31 AM

Because she’s trying to twist in some way, any way, so that it means that Cruz does not support it.

NWConservative on February 11, 2016 at 12:00 PM

once again its like whining about a man’s hand on your boob when his dangle is already buried between your thighs. It is a moot point. We are already screwed so why not at least try something that might just work better?

Or are we so dead set on getting EVERYTHING we want that we will throw out the baby with the bath water?

katee bayer on February 10, 2016 at 9:18 PM

LOL!

You’re good darlin’

Who is John Galt on February 11, 2016 at 1:03 PM

Why would you say Medicare is not single payer?

Zomcon JEM on February 11, 2016 at 9:31 AM

Because the government pays part of the costs, while all the people on it pay part of the costs. That’s many different payers, not single payer.

Rational Db8 on February 11, 2016 at 2:43 PM

Clearly not you, though.

Redstone on February 11, 2016 at 10:23 AM

WINNER!! CONGRATULATIONS “Redstone” on winning the “stupidest most irrational post of the day” award!!

Rational Db8 on February 11, 2016 at 2:46 PM

LOL!!! You spent the entire night replying to my posts!

The. Irony. Is. Delicious.

:D

NWConservative on February 11, 2016 at 11:59 AM

Thanks for proving yet again that you are incredibly dense. Apparently you’ve never heard of things things called “TIME ZONES.” And here you are today, having read my posts which of course proves that when I posted them makes zero difference anyhow. Time for you to go on and get that recto-cranial inversion you’re suffering from surgically corrected.

Rational Db8 on February 11, 2016 at 2:58 PM

Since Senator Ted Cruz and his father believe that the Senator has been anointed to be “a king” and President of the U.S.; we’ll see who God has chosen.

Senator Ted Cruz needs to read the Bible.

bluefox on February 11, 2016 at 6:53 PM

Not only was the trump FOR ethanol subsidies, he is now all about global warming too. The perfect candidate for the DEMS. In another month he will have had more flip flops than John F. Kerry.

Lee Jan on February 12, 2016 at 9:59 AM

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