Quotes of the day

posted at 8:01 pm on February 7, 2016 by Allahpundit

A malfunctioning Marco Rubio crashed as he was overloaded by attacks last night from New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie, who tried to portray the Florida U.S. senator as a Washington robot pre-programmed by political consultants during a high-stakes Republican debate…

Rubio’s glitchy debate performance could be a game-changer just as independents make up their minds two days before the crucial first-in-the-nation primary. The first-term senator’s rivals have raised concerns he’s too inexperienced — just like, they say, President Obama was — and isn’t ready for prime time.

Four different times — often word-for-word and at awkward non-sequiturs — Rubio claimed Obama intentionally wants to make America like the rest of the world.

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At his first rally Sunday morning, the senator from Florida defiantly doubled down, reiterating the same point in the face of negative commentary across the conservative and mainstream press.

“People are tuned in because you know the truth: All of the things that made this country special are in trouble,” Rubio told a crowd of about 800 packed into a high school cafeteria. “You know, it’s interesting, right now, after last night’s debate, [people are saying,] ‘Oh, you said the same thing three or four times.’ Well, I’m going to say it again. The reason why these things are in trouble is because Barack Obama is the first president, at least in my lifetime, that wants to change the country. … Not fix its problems; he wants to make it a different kind of country.”

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Chris Christie on Sunday morning defended his latest attack on GOP presidential rival Marco Rubio, saying the senator doesn’t have the experience to be president.

“He’s just simply not ready,” Christie said on “Fox News Sunday.” “He’s a good guy but he is not ready to be president of the United States.”

“I’ve been saying this for a long time and I don’t think people have really listened,” he said.

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Christie led the charge on stage, and rival campaigns joined in, gleefully tweeted out a new “Marco Rubio Glitch” Twitter account that captured the robotic repeats and gained more than 1,000 followers quickly after the debate wrapped up.

Sen. Lindsey Graham, who was representing Jeb Bush in the spin room, told reporters that Rubio only reinforced the doubts about his readiness for the White House. “He’s really good at talking points and sound bites but he was off his game tonight,” he said. “I think the case for Marco being ready to be commander in chief took a hit tonight.”

In a fundraising email sent to reporters, Rubio’s campaign insisted that Rubio confidently laid out his accomplishments and showed he’s the conservative who can take on Hillary Clinton. “This week the other candidates made one thing clear: They were going to try and take out Marco tonight. They failed,” the email read, also stating in all caps, “AND YES, HE STUCK TO HIS GUNS ON WHY OBAMA HAS BEEN AN AWFUL PRESIDENT!!!”

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Marco Rubio’s already-famous exchange with Chris Christie was indeed a brutal moment. I still can’t believe that Rubio went back to the same talking point right after Christie called him on it. Watching it real-time, I honestly wondered if Rubio forgot what he just said. When he started to do the same thing a third time, I couldn’t believe my ears. Christie wasn’t masterful — not by any means — Rubio just served him the worst kind of hanging curve…

I like Rubio. I’ve made no secret of that fact. And a number of his other debate answers were excellent (his answer on women and the draft, however, was just dreadful, PC nonsense.) But the fact that he knew he would be a target and stumbled so badly is troubling.

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Rubio recovered later in the debate with answers about national security and the nature of conservatism. But over the course of seven previous debates, his advisers had grown used to crowing that he won every one. Not this time. In the spin room afterward, top Rubio aides bragged not that their man conquered all, but that he wasn’t lying flat on the canvas…

“We came into this debate saying that the goal was to get through it, knowing that you have a bunch of candidates who are in a fight for their life,” added another top aide, Alex Conant. “The other candidates came into this debate needing to knock Marco out and have a moment. They failed to knock Marco out, and the best moments of the debate belonged to Marco.” Except, of course, that the worst moment of the debate belonged to Marco, too.

For their part, Team Christie was delighted. More than delighted. “Oh man, it was the clearest one yet!” campaign manager Mike DuHaime exclaimed as he walked into the spin room, as if Christie had had a string of victories before but this one was the most decisive. “He’s prepared to give one-minute speeches,” DuHaime said of Rubio. “He’s not prepared to be president of the United States.”

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Rubio didn’t just embarrass himself; he undermined the core argument for his campaign—that we overrate experience and underrate vision and resolve. And worse, it was on video: a short clip to show on news networks or cut into a negative advertisement. “Rubio’s repeat” will have a long life on daytime cable and late night comedy, an awkward, brutal, cringeworthy display of political failure.

Rubio needed a win on Saturday. He needed to show Republicans that Iowa wasn’t a fluke, that he could consolidate support and charge ahead of Donald Trump and Sen. Ted Cruz. Instead, at best, he gave a mixed performance, with good answers overshadowed by one of the most uncomfortable moments of the entire Republican debate season.

It’s far too much to say that it will cost him the nomination. But it could push him down the ladder in New Hampshire and create renewed chaos in the nomination fight, as candidates such as Jeb Bush, Christie, and Gov. John Kasich rise, and Trump—largely unscathed—holds his spot on top.

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The debate had barely begun, and Rubio had walked into a trap. Accused of being a mindless reciter of talking points, he mindlessly recited talking points, over and over and over again. It was a theme the press had repeatedly noted, as it grew bored watched him give the same speech, the same answers to questions, over and over and over; Rubio’s besotted advisers termed it “message discipline.” On the debate stage, his inability to do anything but repeat the same line threatened to confirm the very criticism leveled against him: that behind his pretty rhetoric, there was little else.

Now the question is how serious the damage will be for Rubio, who had seemed on the brink of rallying his party behind him as the one candidate who could, as he frequently put it, “unite this party and unite this country.” The voters of New Hampshire are late deciders; at Republican events in the last couple of days, I’ve met many who said they were keeping their options open, including many who said they were counting on the debate to help them make up their minds. Would the debate, already being spun as a disaster for Rubio by his opponents, seem as awful to them as it did to the pundits? (Rubio’s team, for its part, professed to be unconcerned, with advisers telling reporters after the debate that all they saw was a practiced candidate capably attacking an unpopular president, to inevitable cheers from voters. But the advisers looked nervous.)

At a Rubio town hall on Thursday in Salem, I spoke to several voters who were gravitating toward him because they thought he could win. But his youth and inexperience represented a significant sticking point for some, as well as the impression that he was a little too slick.

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More than two-thirds of GOP insiders surveyed after the ABC News debate said Rubio lost, and more than 70 percent said the Florida senator’s performance will hurt his chances of toppling front-runner Donald Trump or even outpacing his fellow competitors for second place on Tuesday…

New Hampshire GOP insiders called Rubio “cringeworthy,” “badly programmed and robotic,” “so rehearsed he comes off as inauthentic,” and “exposed at last for the wind-up doll he is.”…

One South Carolina Republican said Rubio’s poor performance could threaten his ability to lock down the establishment lane moving to the Feb. 20 first-in-the-South primary if he falls short of expectations in New Hampshire on Tuesday.

“Just like Trump losing Iowa where he was expected to win, Rubio placing fourth will show he is vulnerable when under heavy fire and maybe he’s not the best candidate in the field,” the South Carolina GOP insider said. “It will raise doubts which will impact the donor class where Rubio has struggled relative to Cruz and Bush. Rubio needed a strong New Hampshire showing to secure more donors for the long-term primary campaign, and tonight he hurt his chances to finance through the entire primary calendar.”

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Incidentally, Donald Trump was the only candidate who challenged Rubio’s premise, dismissing Obama as a rank incompetent. But whether or not you like what Obama has done, and none of the Republican candidates do, Rubio is correct that he has done an awful lot, transforming U.S. policy not only on health care, economics, financial regulation, and Iran, but also on energy, education, taxation, gay rights, Iraq, Cuba, and much more. Rubio’s opponents have dismissed him as a Republican version of Obama — charismatic and inspiring but ultimately too young and inexperienced for the job. Rubio was essentially implying, but not quite daring to say out loud, that Republicans need their own version of Obama to reverse what he’s done.

Of course, one thing Obama has done is win two national elections. Rubio’s candidacy has benefited from a widespread belief that he would be the most electable Republican, a Cuban-American from humble roots, a natural politician with a stirring personal story who would look like tomorrow against Hillary Clinton’s yesterday. But that aura of electability took a big hit last night when he started to sound like a broken record and look like an empty suit. He certainly didn’t seem like someone who knew what he was doing.

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Many voters, especially those already skeptical about Rubio, may hear him say “Obama knows exactly what he’s doing” over and over again and come away thinking he is pro-Obama.

Interestingly enough, Obama also found himself with a similar problem during the 2008 Democratic primary when he made the comment, “I think Ronald Reagan changed the trajectory of America in a way that, you know, Richard Nixon did not and in a way that Bill Clinton did not.” His argument was that Reagan was a transformative president who fundamentally altered the direction of the country, and he wanted to do for liberalism what Reagan did for conservatism.

But this fired up liberals and provided fuel to his opponents. Obama came under fire from both Hillary Clinton and John Edwards, who tried to portray him as failing to appreciate (from a liberal perspective) the awfulness of Reagan’s policies.

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When it comes to substance, Rubio draws on an inventory of well-prepared rhetorical modules, with just enough policy to sound sophisticated, that can be inserted where necessary to handle, say, the how-would-you-handle-ISIS question (Sunni ground army!) or disability benefits (get rid of phony claims!). There’s not much sacrifice involved in any of Rubio’s proposals — even avoiding budget apocalypse, which he claims to be very concerned about, is just a matter of raising the retirement age and slowing benefit hikes for the well-off. Nothing that hasn’t been floating around Washington for years. There’s a heavy emphasis on electability. Big, difficult questions (like robots taking everyone’s jobs) are ignored. Tellingly, however, Rubio has added a Trump Module, where he alludes to anger at stagnant wages.

He’s got an immigration module too. It ignores Rubio’s “Gang of 8” amnesty push while adopting what seems to be an Enforcement First framework, in which “nothing” happens, amnesty-wise, until the border is “secure.”…

All of this is mildly terrifying. If Rubio’s a “robot,” as many have charged, he’s a sophisticated new model robot with simulated humanistic elements and a charm algorithm. And if he still seems insubstantial–which he does–it’s a higher level of insubstantial than you expect: You don’t get the impression he’s actually thought through these problems, but he knows his modules. He’s the ideal choice for Student Body President of America, the best band at Band Camp.

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The best political attacks turn an opponent’s strength into a weakness. By indicting Rubio’s candidate skills—the fact that he’s so polished and talks so well—Chris Christie was attempting not just to blow up Rubio in the debate, but to diminish his biggest advantage and poison everything voters hear from him going forward. Voters will wonder, Is that answer Rubio just gave on ISIS, or vaccinations, or the estate tax a sign of a smart, fluid candidate? Or just another rehearsed, scripted soundbite?

It gets worse still: Christie’s attack dovetailed beautifully with the Right to Rise anti-Rubio ads blanketing the state. A voter just tuning into the debate last night who’s only seen campaign ads, and not the candidates themselves, would have seen the exchange as confirming the charges against Rubio—that he’s an empty suit who has never accomplished anything—that he’s heard over and over. The combination—Right to Rise softening up the target from the air; Christie dropping the hammer on the ground—couldn’t have been more effective if they’d coordinated it.

Seen in this light, Rubio’s stumble wasn’t like Rick Perry’s debate memory flub—it was more like the Mitt Romney 47 percent recording: a brutal hit that threatens to bleed the candidate for a long time afterwards.

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People are shallow. I know this because I’m a person and I’m shallow as f***. And because people are shallow, they seize on ready-made Narratives to organize information. Information is hard to organize, but if you have a handy Narrative with hooks to hang each new piece of information, it keeps everything nice and tidy…

So everyone gets a “book” on them, a short little description that is thought to be the Key to the whole, the Main Point, the blurb, the takeaway.

This is now part of book on Rubio — and it now serves as the row of hooks from which all previous information is now hanged, and from which all future information will be hanged too.

And that’s a big problem for Rubio, because while his answers are… well, I can’t say good, I will just say “smooth,” now people will hear those smooth answers and instead of saying “Gosh, what a smooth answer” they’ll say “Oh another 25 second canned answer.”…

But it does hurt, because while people were previously thinking “What a smart guy, he gave us all those smooth answers,” now they just will think “Oh, yeah, someone told him to memorize this and he did.”

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As I wrote after the previous debate, political reporters are in the “fog of war” phase of the campaign where our reactions aren’t necessarily good matches for those of voters at home. Some of the reason we reporters thought Rubio’s answer was so awful is because it confirmed some of our gossip about Rubio, namely that he tends to give pat, repetitive answers. But we tend to be more sensitive about that stuff, because we watch every debate from start to finish, and then we see lots of the candidates’ stump speeches and town halls on top of it. There’s a fine line between a candidate who seems stilted and repetitive and one who seems “on message” instead.

Is there any evidence that home viewers saw Rubio’s performance differently? Well, maybe. On Google Trends, there was a huge spike in searches for Rubio during the debate — but it came not during his glitchy moments but instead after an effective answer he delivered on abortion about two hours into the debate. Meanwhile, a Google Consumer Surveys poll conducted midway through the debate found respondents thought that Trump, Rubio and Cruz (in that order) were winning the debate. Undoubtedly, this mostly just reflects the fact that Trump, Rubio and Cruz are the most popular Republican candidates to begin with, but it’s also a reminder that one bad answer, or one bad evening, may not weigh all that much on voters’ minds.

The other good news for Rubio is that most all of this will be forgotten about if he performs well in Tuesday’s primary.

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“I think the whole race changed last night,” Christie said on CNN’s “State of the Union.” “Because you know there was a march among some of the chattering class to anoint Senator Rubio. I think after last night, that’s over.”

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NWConservative on February 8, 2016 at 2:04 AM

Boom.

CivilDiscourse on February 8, 2016 at 2:08 AM

>:)

NWConservative on February 8, 2016 at 2:14 AM

Paperclips on February 8, 2016 at 1:54 AM

He dropped out today after that disastrous performance. All the voters voting for him will have their votes redirected to Ted Cruz’s totals per the Secretary of State, so those Rubio voters in New Hampshire should just vote for Cruz and save themselves the hassle.

-Ted Cruz campaign text just sent to my phone.

NWConservative on February 8, 2016 at 2:13 AM

Weird, because I just got a text from Ted Cruz saying that he was dropping out and I should vote for Donald Trump…

oscarwilde on February 8, 2016 at 2:16 AM

Trump would be more exciting. Rubio would be more optimistic. And Kasich would be a bore, probably not even win cause everyone would be asleep.

petunia on February 8, 2016 at 2:10 AM

You are completely crazy! Kasich would be the most exciting one of them all. We get to ride the Karate Chop express all the way to the White House! I for one hope his father is a mailman, since supporting the US Postal service is #1 on my list of issues!

NWConservative on February 8, 2016 at 2:17 AM

NWConservative on February 8, 2016 at 2:13 AM

Weird, because I just got a text from Ted Cruz saying that he was dropping out and I should vote for Donald Trump…

oscarwilde on February 8, 2016 at 2:16 AM

Which was very confusing because I just got a text from Donald Trump saying he was dropping out and I should vote for Mike Rowe…

oscarwilde on February 8, 2016 at 2:18 AM

Weird, because I just got a text from Ted Cruz saying that he was dropping out and I should vote for Donald Trump…

oscarwilde on February 8, 2016 at 2:16 AM

I just saw the text!

Wow, everything is turning upside down!

NWConservative on February 8, 2016 at 2:19 AM

Which was very confusing because I just got a text from Donald Trump saying he was dropping out and I should vote for Mike Rowe…

oscarwilde on February 8, 2016 at 2:18 AM

Well we have to dispel once and for all this notion that Barack Obama doesn’t know what he’s doing. He knows exactly what he is doing!

NWConservative on February 8, 2016 at 2:22 AM

oscarwilde on February 8, 2016 at 2:16 AM

I just saw the text!

Wow, everything is turning upside down!

NWConservative on February 8, 2016 at 2:19 AM

And SpongPuppy hasn’t even run everything through my Oscillation Overthruster transmorified turbo retroencabulator …

oscarwilde on February 8, 2016 at 2:29 AM

Well lookie here, the same guy running Cruz’s campaign, Jeff Roe, pulled the same drop out stunt back in 2010 against another person.

Eckersley calls e-mail a hoax, says he’s still in the race (AUDIO)
October 29, 2010 by Brent Martin

Southwest Missouri Congressional candidate Scott Eckersley blames the campaign staff of his Republican opponent for issuing a hoax that he had suspended his campaign.

An e-mail sent to news media outlets and a “tweet” issued by a fake Twitter account announced that Eckersley had suspended his campaign due to personal reasons.

Eckersley blames his opponent, Republican Billy Long, for sending out the hoax days before the election.

“You know this is dirty politics. This is Jeff Roe-style management. That’s who Billy’s retained. That’s who he writes the big checks to,” Eckersley tells Missourinet affiliate KTTS. “This is Kansas City management doing what they do best, which is playing dirty.”

An e-mail sent through a Yahoo account claimed that Eckersley had suspended his campaign from Congress until further notice due to personal matters that had arisen over the last several days. Eckersley says it was a fake.

“I’ve seen these Jeff Roe and James Harris types before and folks in southwest Missouri, they’ve seen it, too,” Eckersley says. “These folks were the authors of the smear attacks that took place on me back in 2007.”

NWConservative on February 8, 2016 at 2:32 AM

If Allahpundit weren’t a girl, and this weren’t her favorite song, this would be.

oscarwilde on February 8, 2016 at 2:33 AM

And SpongPuppy hasn’t even run everything through my Oscillation Overthruster transmorified turbo retroencabulator …

oscarwilde on February 8, 2016 at 2:29 AM

LOL.

NWConservative on February 8, 2016 at 2:33 AM

If Allahpundit weren’t a girl, and this weren’t her favorite song, this would be.

oscarwilde on February 8, 2016 at 2:33 AM

and yes, Axe hired an unknown robot named Marco Rubio to play guitar on Sparkplug…

oscarwilde on February 8, 2016 at 2:39 AM

Sigh… everybody has deserted me… Except for Petunia, who is desperately searching through her thesaurus for something devastating to say…

oscarwilde on February 8, 2016 at 2:42 AM

Sigh… everybody has deserted me… Except for Petunia, who is desperately searching through her thesaurus for something devastating to say…

oscarwilde on February 8, 2016 at 2:42 AM

:P

Sorry but I need to get to bed. I’m going to have to desert you too!

NWConservative on February 8, 2016 at 2:48 AM

When I was in college, I dated a girl named Michelle, who coincidently, looked just like Michelle Malkin. She was funny, witty, intelligent and beautiful, just like Michelle Malkin, her only laps in judgment was dating me for the couple of weeks we went out.

I can’t remember her last name, but tragically it wasn’t Malkin. Just thought you guys should all know that…

oscarwilde on February 8, 2016 at 2:51 AM

When I was in college, I dated a girl named Michelle, who coincidently, looked just like Michelle Malkin. She was funny, witty, intelligent and beautiful, just like Michelle Malkin, her only laps in judgment was dating me for the couple of weeks we went out.

I can’t remember her last name, but tragically it wasn’t Malkin. Just thought you guys should all know that…

oscarwilde on February 8, 2016 at 2:51 AM

so… now that you all know the truth about why I am irresistibly drawn like a moth to a flame to post here at Hot Air, what is your story?

oscarwilde on February 8, 2016 at 3:05 AM

As many of you know, things here at the ole home front aren’t so good right now, what with my little brother who lives with me dying of lung cancer and all. I am not sleeping very well, not sure if I just can’t sleep, or am afraid to fall asleep.

So, here I am, all by myself, rambling on like a nutter to people who don’t even know me, most of whom don’t even care about what I am going through let alone like me at god only knows what hour in the morning.

The night crew has all been safely tucked into bed so that they can make a glorious start at their real life day jobs in the morning, while the morning crew hasn’t yet woken from their slumbers.

Here is a little ditty that Ms Jackie turned me on to. It does a pretty good job of expressing how I feel at the moment. Funny how songs can do that…

oscarwilde on February 8, 2016 at 3:22 AM

I can’t remember her last name, but tragically it wasn’t Malkin. Just thought you guys should all know that…
oscarwilde on February 8, 2016 at 2:51 AM

Well back in those days of yore Maglalang was MM’s last name.

I came here originally for much the same reason: because I adored MM and enjoyed the good discussions we used to have, when even the trolls were occasionally honest and could make a point worth considering.

Now I come because I am a masochist and enjoy watching lunatics screech at each other over who’s political savior sucks less than the others.

LegendHasIt on February 8, 2016 at 3:23 AM

oscarwilde on February 8, 2016 at 2:51 AM

Well back in those days of yore Maglalang was MM’s last name.

I came here originally for much the same reason: because I adored MM and enjoyed the good discussions we used to have, when even the trolls were occasionally honest and could make a point worth considering.

Now I come because I am a masochist and enjoy watching lunatics screech at each other over who’s political savior sucks less than the others.

LegendHasIt on February 8, 2016 at 3:23 AM

Well, the very lovely young Michelle I dated briefly back in the 1980’s was a student at San Diego State University (I think, might have been UCSD) I can’t remember what she was majoring in, but she was a little hottie.

I imagine her and Malkin were probably a lot alike at that age. So delightfully full of energy and life. So inquisitive about everything. I certainly hope my Michelle lived up to her dreams and aspirations the way Malkin has.

oscarwilde on February 8, 2016 at 3:35 AM

For oscarwilde and all the people who don’t really know each other or what everyone is going through:

Hold on. 4:11

CivilDiscourse on February 8, 2016 at 3:37 AM

Four different times — often word-for-word and at awkward non-sequiturs — Rubio claimed Obama intentionally wants to make America like the rest of the world.

In this regard, I agree with Rubio. The problem is that Rubio, with amnesty, will finish what Obama started.

BuckeyeSam on February 8, 2016 at 3:37 AM

Well, at least it wasn’t Michelle Robinson.

LegendHasIt on February 8, 2016 at 3:40 AM

For oscarwilde and all the people who don’t really know each other or what everyone is going through:

Hold on. 4:11

CivilDiscourse on February 8, 2016 at 3:37 AM

Though you prefer to spend the majority of your time here being a contrarian dick, I will thank you for this moment of charity and kindness. Thank you.

oscarwilde on February 8, 2016 at 3:47 AM

Though you prefer to spend the majority of your time here being a contrarian dick, I will thank you for this moment of charity and kindness. Thank you.

oscarwilde on February 8, 2016 at 3:47 AM

Ha. Well, you’re welcome. Internet forums do a pretty good job at masking humanity, unfortunately. I respect and honor your honesty. But you should get to know me better. I’m only contrarian in this context because of the prevailing political philosophy of this blog—and I’m hardly ever a d!ck unless provoked. True story.

And good vibes for your little bro.

CivilDiscourse on February 8, 2016 at 3:58 AM

Madeleine Albright: There’s a Special Place in Hell For Anyone Who Don’t Support Marco Roboto.

will13smith on February 8, 2016 at 3:58 AM

I would just like to add that it’s important that we dispel this notion that Barrack Obama doesn’t know what he’s doing. Obama knows exactly what he’s doing.

Magicjava on February 8, 2016 at 4:20 AM

oscarwilde on February 8, 2016 at 3:47 AM

Ha. Well, you’re welcome. Internet forums do a pretty good job at masking humanity, unfortunately. I respect and honor your honesty. But you should get to know me better. I’m only contrarian in this context because of the prevailing political philosophy of this blog—and I’m hardly ever a d!ck unless provoked. True story.

And good vibes for your little bro.

CivilDiscourse on February 8, 2016 at 3:58 AM

Nobody is a dick all the time. Even people like you, who go places with the intention of being a dick and picking fights aren’t a dick all the time. Most people, you included, are usually good decent people most of the time.

People who go places with the intention of being a contrarian, do so because something in their life is bothering them. Your being a contrarian isn’t because of this places prevailing political philosophy, that is just an excuse.

You choose to be a dick, because something is bothering you. I do believe that in your real life you are hardly ever a d!ck unless provoked. You don’t have to be a dick here just because you disagree with the prevailing political philosophy, you can disagree with people and not be a contrarian or a dick.

My life right now is so full of pain anguish and turmoil it is crazy. But I make an effort to not take that out on other people. That is a decision that I make. Do I fall short of that goal and sometimes get rude and be a dick with some people, yes, sadly I do.

But it is not because I intend to do so, it is simply because what I am going through is so damned difficult that sometimes my frustration gets the better of me. I try not to allow that to happen, but sometimes it does.

There is an old saying, “Character is not what you do when everyone is watching, its what you do when nobody is watching”. I want my personal character to be that of an individual who does noble things especially when nobody is watching.

A lot of people come to Hot Air to vent their frustrations in a manner that does not create real life problems. I understand that this is what you are doing. You do not have to be a dick to do that.

Here on the QOTD, we are a very accepting group, all you have to do is treat people with common courtesy and a little respect and that is exactly how you will be treated.

It would be very nice to see the compassionate cheerful side of you that you are showing right now here more often. Honestly, we really can disagree about political philosophies without being mortal enemies.

You do not have to be a contrarian dick, that is a choice you make, it is not one you have to make, nobody here really is your enemy, we may disagree with you politically, but that does not make us enemies, nor does it mean that we cannot engage in civil enjoyable conversations even about things we disagree about.

Your choice, it would be nice to have a voice that disagrees with us/me but who doesn’t need to be a dick doing it.

oscarwilde on February 8, 2016 at 4:30 AM

Morning y’all
Disappointed with the superbowl ads….yawners

M6 favorite was the doritos baby in the womb

Panthers looked like rookies last night….dang it, and my cardinals lost to that team

cmsinaz on February 8, 2016 at 4:37 AM

Oscar at 3:22am

That must be very rough and stressful, and I’m sure it’s a grinding kind of stress that doesn’t go away. Vent away, maybe the campaign will give you a little diversion. One of my brothers had the big c a few years back and he survived and is okay. It’s pretty dicey. I wish the hell they would cure it. Prayers for your brother.

cimbri on February 8, 2016 at 4:44 AM

Panthers looked like rookies last night….dang it, and my cardinals lost to that team

cmsinaz on February 8, 2016 at 4:37 AM

We need to dispel this notion that the Sheriff doesn’t know what he’s doing. The Sheriff knows exactly what he’s doing.

Magicjava on February 8, 2016 at 4:44 AM

Magic at 4:44am

Yeah I think they choked some, and also Denver’s defense was good.

cimbri on February 8, 2016 at 4:51 AM

That must be very rough and stressful, and I’m sure it’s a grinding kind of stress that doesn’t go away. Vent away, maybe the campaign will give you a little diversion. One of my brothers had the big c a few years back and he survived and is okay. It’s pretty dicey. I wish the hell they would cure it. Prayers for your brother.

cimbri on February 8, 2016 at 4:44 AM

Politics used to be a hobby, now it seems so trivial. In January of last year my sister was diagnosed with lung cancer, she was dead by March 12th 2015. Now my little brother has been diagnosed with the same thing. I do not know how much longer he will live.

He is one year younger than me, but our relationship has always been much more like we were twins. He has always been one of the most energetic charismatic people I have ever known. He and his 12 year old son live with me. Not only am I watching him die, I am also watching that impact his 12 year old son.

What is killing me the most, is that for the first time in my life, there is absolutely nothing I can do to about what is happening to him. I will give him and his son every bit of support that I am able. I will fight this with him as much as I am able.

I do thank you guys for letting me ramble on and rant and vent. I thank you for your prayers and kind support.

oscarwilde on February 8, 2016 at 4:59 AM

MJ, I see what you did there

cmsinaz on February 8, 2016 at 5:01 AM

oscarwilde on February 8, 2016 at 4:30 AM

Again, props to your thoughtfulness. I absolutely agree that I’d like to see more people having political discussions without acting like mortal enemies. It’s generally silly. But people do get passionate about politics. I will humbly and without rancor submit that I think your perception of me as a commenter is a little slanted. I do actually enjoy many civil conversations with commenters here. Maybe you haven’t seen those threads. Often though, a simple neutral, non-di!ckish first comment from me in disagreement on any given thread results in the most invective ad hom. I just don’t shrink from that, is all, and tend to hit back.

I invite you to check it out for yourself in past threads, or future ones, too, I’d imagine. I don’t call other commenters insulting names, for instance—I actually can think of maybe only four times that I felt that someone had become so out-of-hand insulting toward me to warrant my using such base name calling.

Even here, on this thread, is a good example: I jumped on to say something rather silly and of no consequence, and you said something insulting. It didn’t bother me enough to hit back (I found it rather funny, tbh), so I continued to be lighthearted. Thankfully, after a few posts, you dropped it, and I didn’t feel like responding in kind.

I’ve kind of accepted the fact that if you have a contrary opinion here at HA, you’re going to be cast in the role of troll and insulted—even some of the most conservative commenters on here who have found themselves in the minority opinion have confirmed that this happens to them in those moments, as well. So, if you’re cast in the role, why not have fun with it from time to time? But I do enjoy the moments of sincere dialog the most; thank you for this one.

CivilDiscourse on February 8, 2016 at 5:02 AM

Besides, have you seen the things that the Trumpers and anti-Trumpers say to each other on here? I’m not sure my commentary merits being called out as d!ckish over any of that vitriolic mess. ;-P

CivilDiscourse on February 8, 2016 at 5:09 AM

In a universe of constant flux and irresistable change, we all seem to long for the good times that have slipped away.

Loan Me a Dime

bobthm3 on February 8, 2016 at 5:13 AM

SelfDiscourse

APACHEWHOKNOWS on February 8, 2016 at 6:11 AM

The type of people sticking with Rubio are the type of women who stay with serial abusers.

You the guy isn’t good enough. You know he’s gonna do it again. But you’ve spent so much time in the relationship that you’re afraid to let go.

But let’s dispel with this fiction that . . .

Skipity on February 8, 2016 at 6:17 AM

Good morning everybody.

Racistanyway on February 8, 2016 at 6:21 AM

CivilDiscourse on February 8, 2016 at 5:09 AM

Yea, when I first joined a few roughed me up a tad and I responded in kind. That lasted abut five or so comments and I was welcomed by Schade, Bmore, and Hawkdriver. I then settled into my drunken pervert dirty old man role a groove and have never looked back.

I do cross the line from time to time and Jazz removes some of my more flavorful comments without banning me. So far so good.

HonestLib on February 8, 2016 at 6:36 AM

Morning SL, cmsinaz, esr1951, Fallon, INC–32F with a high of 50F and snow showers tonight with no accumulation.

Came home Friday to an almost empty house and it stayed that way all weekend. Two kids and 8 pets greeted me and them promptly ignored me. Who am I to complain! Chuckle. I did notice that Big Girl had cut her hair very short, like about 20 inches shorter. Then an older daughter popped in to say hello and her hair was short. Hmmm.

I then tried to face time some of the other girls who are with The Wife and they would only text me back. Something is up and they were all grins and giggles. Time will tell.

Took Big Girl to see The Finest Hour and we both liked the movie. She was wearing a USMC Tee-Shirt and I decided to not ask what that was about as she usually wears some sort of Air Force shirt/sweater from her grand-dad. Kids.

Funny the different reactions between Big Girl and I after watching the movie. I enjoyed the movie and admired the courage of the Coasties and Big Girl was motivated to save the world. To be young and full of ideals. My time has passed and her’s is starting. I have the best set to watch her grow, that being seated in the “Dad Chair”.

The movie was a period piece (1952) and I explained life at that time to Big Girl on the way back home. She has heard some of the stories of me being away in another time and life with little to no contact back home. She actually got a hint that folks back then did not fill isolated, but just did their thing. She still can’t understand not having instant communication.

See will learn that silence and not being plugged in can be a wonderful thing. Being an old fart, one can hope she finds out.

It was a good and slow day and anytime spent with a child is a great day in my life.

All me luv, SL and good wishes to all the fine folks here. Chin up OW, just words I know, but a lot of folks here, including me of course, are wanting a miracle for your bother and family.

HonestLib on February 8, 2016 at 6:58 AM

If it is the dreading three in the row then I must take the time and ask if U2 was a rip off band of REM!!!

HonestLib on February 8, 2016 at 6:59 AM

Good Morning everyone, no I did’t get banned.

This is my second laptoppy death,
which occured after Rand Paul quit!

Ugh!

canopfor on February 8, 2016 at 7:06 AM

Glad to see you back here HL
:)

cmsinaz on February 8, 2016 at 7:10 AM

Morning HL, everyone.

Did I hear a rumor that you are moving, HL?

esr1951 on February 8, 2016 at 7:11 AM

HonestLib
U2 came first. :-)

CivilDiscourse on February 8, 2016 at 7:16 AM

CivilDiscourse on February 8, 2016 at 3:58 AM

You’re always a d!ck.

Now tell all HA readers how they’re racist.

CWforFreedom on February 8, 2016 at 7:31 AM

Morning HA-

I was happy to see Chris Christie call out Rubio for something that I’ve been saying for months. Ask Rubio a question and hear a set focus-group-tested elevator speech.

Rubio’s not ready for being a general election candidate.

Happy Nomad on February 8, 2016 at 7:41 AM

It’s best not to comment before your morning meds, CW.

CivilDiscourse on February 8, 2016 at 7:43 AM

Lolo mentioned this on page 2, last night:

NARAL taking the odd position that human
fetuses aren’t human.

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Lolo on February 7, 2016 at 10:10 PM

Then Rix posted a SUPER (I thought, anyway) response to it:

Lolo on February 7, 2016 at 10:10 PM

.
I am waiting for NAMBLA to officially disagree.
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Rix on February 7, 2016 at 10:12 PM

.
Then I saw this at theblaze.com, this morning:

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2016/02/07/naral-pro-choice-america-slams-super-bowl-commercial-for-using-antichoice-tactic-wait-until-you-see-what-it-is/

listens2glenn on February 8, 2016 at 7:46 AM

no, no, no to the pro-amnesty anti-American robotic runt puppy rubio

runt – an undersized weak person

no more beta dogs in the white house!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Pragmatic on February 8, 2016 at 7:48 AM

Good morning everybody.

Racistanyway on February 8, 2016 at 6:21 AM

Good morning, RA!

Who is John Galt on February 8, 2016 at 7:56 AM

Good Morning, y’all!

THIS is “not who we are”.

My take: http://bit.ly/1Q4VkWo

Syrian Muslim “Refugees” Accepted, Syrian Christians Not…While Obama Decides If Their Mass Murder is “Genocide” Or Not

kingsjester on February 8, 2016 at 7:58 AM

Morning HL, everyone.

Did I hear a rumor that you are moving, HL?

esr1951 on February 8, 2016 at 7:11 AM

I guess so, but I need The Wife to let me know when and where! We are currently selling five homes and during that time we will figure out our resting spot. Right now it is the Middle Keys, but who knows? Today real estate contracts, tomorrow divorce agreement for all I know. Chuckle.

HonestLib on February 8, 2016 at 8:17 AM

We are all going to die.
Many of us are going to die in very awful circumstances.
Some of us will be lucky enough to die in comfortable and familiar surroundings in the presence of family or friends who actually care about us and who will do whatever things they can, small or large, to help alleviate our suffering and help us to maintain some measure of dignity.
Just knowing that they are there to seek help for us if needed can be a great relief and comfort. And just their presence will help in a large way to allay the fear and loneliness of dying.
And that is all about as good as it gets.

justltl on February 8, 2016 at 8:17 AM

.
Then I saw this at theblaze.com, this morning:

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2016/02/07/naral-pro-choice-america-slams-super-bowl-commercial-for-using-antichoice-tactic-wait-until-you-see-what-it-is/

listens2glenn on February 8, 2016 at 7:46 AM

Frito-Lay to soon issue an apology/clarification. The online version of the ad may even be pulled. Already Hillary is staking out her position with respect to Rubio’s remarks at the debate — her position being essentially that government cannot, should not, protect a fetus on the morning of the day of birth.

Lolo on February 8, 2016 at 8:18 AM

Now tell all HA readers how they’re racist.

CWforFreedom on February 8, 2016 at 7:31 AM

I ain’t a racist, I love everybody.

HonestLib on February 8, 2016 at 8:20 AM

Frito-Lay to soon issue an apology/clarification. The online version of the ad may even be pulled. Already Hillary is staking out her position with respect to Rubio’s remarks at the debate — her position being essentially that government cannot, should not, protect a fetus on the morning of the day of birth.

Lolo on February 8, 2016 at 8:18 AM

Of course, I should have said that’s my own wild speculation.

Lolo on February 8, 2016 at 8:30 AM

y to allay the fear and loneliness of dying.
And that is all about as good as it gets.
justltl on February 8, 2016 at 8:17 AM

Actually…no… that is not as good as it gets.

Spent yesterday with a small group of friends at the bedside of a dying friend. This guy had spent the majority of his adult life destroying himself with drugs and alcohol but somehow, by some fortune of God’s grace, through the fog of hitting bottom came to a realization of his need and accepted salvation and has spent the remaining two and a half years living up to that commitment. Yeah, he still has to deal with the consequences of his debauched life and is dying much too young, but he has that calm assurance that the best is yet to come.

Cleombrotus on February 8, 2016 at 8:37 AM

I should add… he has that calm assurance that his sins are forgiven…and the best is yet to come.

Cleombrotus on February 8, 2016 at 8:49 AM

Choices:

Jeff Roe
Glenn Beck
David Barton
Goldman Sacks
CITI
Roger Mercer
H1-B visas

APACHEWHOKNOWS on February 8, 2016 at 8:55 AM

Ferris and Dan Wilks

Huge brick construction company, made by use and low pay of illegal wage slaves.

$15 million of this blood money to the vote buying.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on February 8, 2016 at 8:56 AM

Don’t mess with Texas.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on February 8, 2016 at 8:59 AM

So, here I am, all by myself, rambling on like a nutter to people who don’t even know me, most of whom don’t even care about what I am going through let alone like me at god only knows what hour in the morning.

oscarwilde on February 8, 2016 at 3:22 AM

I hope you are finally sleeping, OW. You’ve been through a lot. It’s easy to get exhausted at the constant trials. Reminds me of an old Melissa Manchester song (can’t find a clear recording) with the lyrics:

We got one more mountain to climb
Say, we got one more mountain to climb

And, just when I think I’ve arrived I find
I’m standing at the foot of another hill
There’ll be one more mountain to climb

Keep putting one foot in front of the other. (((OW))) People do care.

Fallon on February 8, 2016 at 9:05 AM

We need to dispel this notion that the Sheriff doesn’t know what he’s doing. The Sheriff knows exactly what he’s doing.

Magicjava on February 8, 2016 at 4:44 AM

You watched a different game…the “sheriff” did nothing, it was the defensed that did it all…and the incompetent Panthers, for this one game.

And one major turning point…the horrible “no catch” call by the officials.

It was the sloppiest Super Bowl game called by officials I can remember…both sides got reamed.

The face mask tackle on the Panthers, one of the most flagrant fouls I have seen…

right2bright on February 8, 2016 at 9:20 AM

Rubio’s a cut-out. He get’s directions from someone but doesn’t know most of the players. He passes on the message to us the poor schlump voters. We’re not supposed to see that he is only a face, not a real player. We’re not supposed to reason that far.

Rubio is like the guy in class that can’t really grasp the whole of subject. He’s the guy who memorizes the pieces that will get him through the class, but I don’t think he can really reason from the pieces to a real reasoned, independent conclusion. This dangerous. It means he will have to be given his policy conclusions or come up with possibly completely erroneous ones..

I don’t think that Rubio is fully programmed the way Obama is, but both are not the kind of material you want in the front office.

claudius on February 8, 2016 at 9:21 AM

right2bright on February 8, 2016 at 9:20 AM

Shorter version.

My team lost.

HonestLib on February 8, 2016 at 9:48 AM

Pretty Movie Star East Coast QB Got No Gut It Out Game.

Would not get down and dirty for his own fumble.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on February 8, 2016 at 10:33 AM

Another way to look at it is that Chris Christie is Two for Two. He is very good at sabotaging the Republican’s chances of winning elections first by hugging Obama the weekend before the election (after not campaigning for Romney much, and only talking about himself when he did) and now using his proprietorial experience to hurt Marco Rubio (the person with the best chance to win in a general election because he is likeable and has some charisma among other things.)

I wouldn’t trust Chris Christie to nominate conservative judges, reign in aggressive governmental regulation, or fight a single battle in the culture wars. He is from a Blue State and is only comfortable cutting taxes and going up against teachers unions – nothing else.

timoric on February 8, 2016 at 12:19 PM