Don’t be surprised if NATO goes after ISIS in Libya

posted at 2:41 pm on February 5, 2016 by Taylor Millard

It looks like the U.S.-led fight against ISIS is probably moving to Libya. AFP reports there are plenty of people in the Defense Department worried about ISIS’ movement into the North African country.

About 5,000 IS jihadists are now in Libya, the defense official said, approximately double earlier estimates, while the number of IS extremists in Iraq and Syria has dropped.

The updated tallies come as the administration of President Barack Obama faces growing calls for the US military to step up action against the IS group in Libya, where the jihadists have already seized the city of Sirte and an adjoining length of Mediterranean coastline.

NATO defense ministers are meeting in Brussels next week to evaluate the ongoing US-led coalition campaign against the IS group and to discuss ways of redoubling efforts.

It doesn’t appear President Barack Obama is interested in getting militarily involved in Libya, but that doesn’t mean the Pentagon isn’t pushing him. One thing The New York Times points out is not on the table is “ground troops” (emphasis mine).

But Mr. Obama, wary of embarking on an intervention in another Muslim country, has told his aides to redouble their efforts to help form a unity government in Libya at the same time the Pentagon refines its options.

Those include airstrikes, commando raids or advising vetted Libyan militias on the ground, as Special Operations forces are doing now in eastern Syria.

 Covert C.I.A. paramilitary missions are also being considered, but the use of large numbers of American ground troops is not on the table.

Defense Secretary Ashton B. Carter and Gen. Joseph F. Dunford Jr., the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, among others, say some kind of American and allied military force will be needed. But Mr. Obama has not yet made a decision, nor have the size or contours of any possible American military involvement been determined.

“The White House just has to decide,” said one senior State Department official, who spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss internal deliberations. “The case has been laid out by virtually every department.”

The “wary of embarking on an intervention in another Muslim country” line is beyond hilarious (or #headdesk) because Obama’s administration has intervened in more countries than George W. Bush’s administration. The U.S. has militarily attacked three countries (Iraq, Syria, and Libya) under Obama versus Bush’s two (Iraq and Afghanistan). The Afghanistan surge also happened on Obama’s watch. The type of military involvement may have been different (random bomb strikes and “advisers” vs. full scale invasion) but the fact all the Left’s anti-war activists from 2003 and 2004 don’t seem to be so anti-war these days, shows how they’re willing to sacrifice their own “principles” if “their guy” is in the White House. The fact Obama appears a little hesitant on attacking Libya (which it shouldn’t have gotten involved in in the first place) could be a sign Obama is hoping it won’t become a campaign issue for the Democrats. If Hillary Clinton is the nominee, the GOP candidate could bring up the fact Libya is a mess and remind the people Clinton was the one who pushed for involvement in the first place. If Bernie Sanders is the nominee, the GOP candidate could point out Sanders has no real strategy on ISIS and supports the current Administration’s efforts which would just drag things down even more. This depends on who the GOP nominee is to begin with. The only one who really believed in non-interventionism was Rand Paul, and he dropped out earlier this week.

But it certainly looks like the U.S. is going to do something in Libya, which brings up the question, “why did we get involved in the first place?” Yes, Muammar Gaddafi was a bad guy and it’s great he’s no longer breathing. At the same time, Libya has gone to Hel because NATO decided to unilaterally get involved in something they had no business doing so. That falls on both Obama and Clinton’s shoulders, and they have to take responsibility for it (which is laughable). If the U.S. hadn’t gotten involved in Libya, then Benghazi wouldn’t have happened and Chris Stevens, Tyrone Woods, Glen Doherty, and Sean Smith might still be alive. If the U.S. hadn’t gotten involved in Libya, ISIS wouldn’t be growing in power in Northern Africa. This should also cause people to really consider whether it’s worth to militarily get involved in a war against a country which hasn’t attacked the U.S. Would ISIS be as big of a problem as it is because America decided to flex it’s military muscles and get involved in Iraq and Syria? Would there be such a refugee crisis in Europe if Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama, and John McCain hadn’t pushed for foreign involvement in a civil war (with Marco Rubio pushing for more involvement and Bernie Sanders supporting Obama and Clinton’s actions)? It’s just things to consider as the U.S. appears to be ready to get involved in another war it shouldn’t be.


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Oh darn… how are we gonna call each other names and stuff on this thread?

Neitherleftorright on February 5, 2016 at 2:44 PM

…what’s Hillary’s comment?

JugEarsButtHurt on February 5, 2016 at 2:44 PM

Two questions; When will Obama return his Peace Prize and where has Code Pink been for the last 7 years?

Mr. Arrogant on February 5, 2016 at 2:45 PM

Oh darn… how are we gonna call each other names and stuff on this thread?

Neitherleftorright on February 5, 2016 at 2:44 PM

…for $25… I would pick on Taylor.

JugEarsButtHurt on February 5, 2016 at 2:47 PM

Two questions; When will Obama return his Peace Prize and where has Code Pink been for the last 7 years?

Mr. Arrogant on February 5, 2016 at 2:45 PM

To be fair Cindy is doing what she’s always done, from what I’ve heard, but now she is of no use to the media.

DFCtomm on February 5, 2016 at 2:48 PM

‘Nobel Peace Prize’

TheMadHessian on February 5, 2016 at 2:50 PM

“We came, we saw, we got him killed” and really, at this point, what difference does it make??

Remember when the slogans were “smart power”, “get in the back of the bus and drink your slurpee while we take the keys” and “launch”?

Good times, good times…

KMC1 on February 5, 2016 at 2:50 PM

Kinetic, scope-limited, time-limited military action?

Christien on February 5, 2016 at 2:53 PM

Have they printed up the leaflets yet?

IDontCair on February 5, 2016 at 2:53 PM

Puny airstrikes, stat!

rob verdi on February 5, 2016 at 2:56 PM

First things first: Turn Raqqa into a smoking crater. Squeeze any of these savages that have been captured for information then execute them. Kill them all without hesitation or compassion.

Rinse

Repeat

Hank_Scorpio on February 5, 2016 at 2:57 PM

But Mr. Obama, wary of embarking on an intervention in another Muslim country,

What do they mean another Country? Obama and Hillary led NATO in destroying the Libyan government that led to this mess in the first place. This would just be a repeat.

Johnnyreb on February 5, 2016 at 3:00 PM

Just send Kerry over there to talk to them. He will solve it. We won’t have to give up much. Maybe Puerto Rico or something.

Neitherleftorright on February 5, 2016 at 3:00 PM

Whacking Kadaffy was supposed to be Hillary’s Signature Achievement. Blumenthal was pushing her to brag about it at every occasion. and unlike the dribs and drabs or airstrikes against ISIS, the attack on Libya was a full scale air campaign.

We ended up with Libya in Islamist anarchy, Christians being beheaded on a Mediterranean beach and the Benghazi disaster with the subsequent lying. As usual, Hillary’s judgement was awful. Tragically awful. The Libya fiascoes alone should disqualify that horrible person.

forest on February 5, 2016 at 3:01 PM

To be fair Cindy is doing what she’s always done, from what I’ve heard, but now she is of no use to the media.

DFCtomm on February 5, 2016 at 2:48 PM

She most certainly is not. I have not seen one report of her camped out in front of Obamas house or following him on vacation.

Johnnyreb on February 5, 2016 at 3:01 PM

Wait! Did the European Islamic Council approve this????

darwin on February 5, 2016 at 3:03 PM

NATO goes after ISIS in Libya

With what? Air power won’t do the trick and NATO’s air power is limited unless they mean U.S. airpower and even then as Syria shows, airstrikes limited to strict ROE are not very effective in ousting the enemy. Unless NATO wants to send in ground troops, and that ain’t happening, the airstrike will not end ISIS in Libya.

major dad on February 5, 2016 at 3:04 PM

NATO, aren’t those the guys who run around foreign countries committing sex crimes? That ought to keep ISIS busy killing rape victims.

antipc on February 5, 2016 at 3:04 PM

How did Libya get like this?

Hold on there’s a black van outside and someone’s at the d

Bishop on February 5, 2016 at 3:04 PM

NATO, aren’t those the guys who run around foreign countries committing sex crimes?

Naw, that’s the UN “peacekeepers”.

major dad on February 5, 2016 at 3:05 PM

NATO United Nations troops, aren’t those the guys who run around foreign countries committing sex crimes? That ought to keep ISIS busy killing rape victims.

antipc on February 5, 2016 at 3:04 PM

FIFY

Mr. Arrogant on February 5, 2016 at 3:06 PM

Naw, that’s the UN “peacekeepers”.

major dad on February 5, 2016 at 3:05 PM

We think alike. I would be concerned if I were you.

Mr. Arrogant on February 5, 2016 at 3:07 PM

Naw, that’s the UN “peacekeepers”.

major dad on February 5, 2016 at 3:05 PM

FIFY

Mr. Arrogant on February 5, 2016 at 3:06 PM

Thank you.

antipc on February 5, 2016 at 3:13 PM

OK, I won’t. Thanks.

Galtian on February 5, 2016 at 3:21 PM

When will Obama airlift in the brigades of Muslim Brotherhood organizers?

albill on February 5, 2016 at 3:24 PM

Marco Rubio was, and by far and away, the biggest cheerleader for that mess that Hillary started. Maybe she will choose him as her VP as on FP they think so much alike.

VorDaj on February 5, 2016 at 3:24 PM

“The White House just has to decide,” said one senior State Department official, who spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss internal deliberations. “The case has been laid out by virtually every department.”

Even as we speak, Obama and his minions are vigorously trying to figure out what they can do in Libya that would cause the most harm to the United States.

justltl on February 5, 2016 at 3:25 PM

Don’t count on Germany – soon the military (what little there is) will be attacking German citizens who disagree with Merkel and her Muslims.

albill on February 5, 2016 at 3:25 PM

The kind of major strategic blunders that Obama has made in the Middle East and North Africa are the kind which could cost the West much of Europe. It’s hard to think of any parallels in history. These were completely unforced errors. The endpoint may be a nuclear and biological horror show.

claudius on February 5, 2016 at 3:26 PM

Just running out the clock. Personal legacy comes before national security and coddling his Muslim brethren is crucial to his long game of hope and change.

butch on February 5, 2016 at 3:30 PM

Marco Rubio was, and by far and away, the biggest cheerleader for that mess that Hillary started. Maybe she will choose him as her VP as on FP they think so much alike.

VorDaj on February 5, 2016 at 3:24 PM

Unfortunately much of the electorate sees Rubio and Hillary as the two most sensible candidates, Trump being a clown and Cruz a mean religious nut.

claudius on February 5, 2016 at 3:34 PM

Obama, Clinton, Power and Rice = Smart Power

RickB on February 5, 2016 at 3:42 PM

First things first: Turn Raqqa into a smoking crater. Squeeze any of these savages that have been captured for information then execute them. Kill them all without hesitation or compassion.

Rinse

Repeat

Hank_Scorpio on February 5, 2016 at 2:57 PM

Hand the ISIS fighters over to the Kurds. They’ll know what to do.

The Kurds are getting stronger in eastern Turkey & Syria, northern Iraq.
The Russians are in Syria.
The Israelis are, well, the Israelis.
The Saudis and Iranians are being weakened by proxy wars and low oil prices.
European nationalism is growing in strength.

If NATO seizes control of the North Mediterranean coast, the muslim strategic position will be increasingly tenuous.

If you view this as a game of RISK, Obama has inadvertently weakened the hand of the muslims. Of course, Obama even sucks at checkers…….

MichaelGabriel on February 5, 2016 at 3:45 PM

I just want to add that Qaddafi was killed not because his defense against rebels within his own nation, but because he had gotten his country off of all debt to the IMF and that he was going to sell his oil no longer using US currency or any other world currency, but rather accepting only gold. French president sarkozy at the time stated that he was a threat to the entire world economic system. Libya at the time of the invasion had the highest standard of living of any African nation. their citizens had to pay for no medical, no electricity. if you got married and wanted to do a farm it would be provided for you by the state. it was a successful functioning state but because they threaten the world banking system, he had to be eliminated. he even stated in the last address to the world at the UN that they would come after him and kill him very soon. this information is out there, you can Google it, you have the ability to find this information. Here is a video with some info
Qaddafi was not bad for a Muslim dictator

19thgenamerican on February 5, 2016 at 4:12 PM

How did Libya get like this?

Hold on there’s a black van outside and someone’s at the d

Bishop on February 5, 2016 at 3:04 PM

Stop it Bishop, you are scaring me.

Lord Whorfin on February 5, 2016 at 4:16 PM

Nato? Really?

The Europeans can’t even figure out a way to give Greece the finger and Taylor you think Nato is going to jump into Libya? Maybe with three old hand grenades and seven bags of rice.

Limerick on February 5, 2016 at 5:07 PM

Is Hillary going to lead the way?

TfromV on February 5, 2016 at 5:16 PM

Excellent opportunity for the Republican candidates to mention this repeatedly: ISIS isn’t “contained” and in fact they’re growing in Libya. You all remember Libya – the place that Obama had us leading from behind, and Secretary Clinton encouraged the overthrow and subsequent instability in the region? Well my fellow Americans, we’ve got to go back there and clean up their shit.

Hill60 on February 5, 2016 at 7:02 PM

As they say in government, “what difference does it make”.

It all goes back to the first liberal Bush to run for president back in 1980. He was the last liberal Republican standing in 1980 against Reagan, George H W Bush. He started a war with Iraq which had invaded our friend, Kuwait. The aristocrats in Kuwait and Saudi Arabia have been funding Al-Qaida and Islamic State ever since.

burt on February 5, 2016 at 7:28 PM

Not only they and Hillary, Rubio, Lindsey and McCain did too.

Schadenfreude on February 5, 2016 at 7:45 PM

Don’t be surprised if NATO Putin goes after ISIS in Libya

Dr. ZhivBlago on February 6, 2016 at 5:40 AM

Don’t be surprised if ISIS goes after NATO in Brussels, then.

PersonFromPorlock on February 6, 2016 at 3:44 PM