Kitchen sink time: NH foes slam Rubio as an unelectable “lightweight” career politician who’s achieved nothing

posted at 4:01 pm on February 4, 2016 by Allahpundit

Thought you’d want to see what’s flying around New England and online today as Bush, Cruz, Kasich, and Christie (but not Trump, oddly) empty the chamber at Rubio to try to deny him another momentum-boosting showing in New Hampshire on Tuesday. Four clips for you below, in order: A new ad from a pro-Cruz Super PAC comparing the “lightweight” to Peter Pan; a “Rubio = Obama” compilation clip being touted by Kasich advisor John Weaver; a snippet from MSNBC this morning of Christie hinting that Rubio’s no-exceptions position on abortion makes him unelectable; and an interview with Jeb Bush in which Bush laments that Rubio is a “career politician” and that “his whole life has been around his ambitions.” Because if there’s anyone you want leading the charge against career politicians, it’s … a scion of the Bush dynasty. Good lord.

The “career politician” and “Republican Obama” attacks are fair enough and you can judge for yourself whether Rubio’s a lightweight (ahem), but Christie’s being a bit too cute with the abortion attack. Rubio’s never said that he opposes an exception for abortion when a mother’s life is threatened; last week, in fact, he said he does support one. He opposes exceptions for rape and incest, though, and that will be a liability for him in the fall. (He’s tried to finesse that by noting that he’s voted for bills before that have had those exceptions built in on the theory that half a loaf is better than none in reducing abortions.) That doesn’t mean he’s less electable than Cruz or Trump, but it does mean he’s less electable than his ardent fans would have you believe.

One thing curiously missing in all this: No one’s attacking Rubio for being “establishment.” The thought of that complaint coming from Christie, Bush, or Kasich may seem silly, but the first two have attacked Rubio for supporting “amnesty” despite their own centrist records on immigration. Consistency is worth nothing during kitchen-sink time. Maybe they think there are no votes to be had in more moderate New Hampshire by hitting Rubio for his popularity inside the Beltway, especially with Trump sucking up most of the populist votes, but “Rubio is a tool of special interests” seems like it’d be more effective in suppressing votes for Rubio than chanting “boy in the bubble” 50 times a day would. Remember, even if Rubio finishes ahead of them, the other center-righties need him to finish poorly so that they have an excuse to soldier on to South Carolina. The “special interests” attack might not shift any votes from Rubio to Jeb Bush, but it could shift them somewhere. And that’s job one right now for Jeb and company.

At a time like this, a man who’s being battered could use a friend. Where are you when he needs you, Mitt?

And as recently as the past 48 hours, Romney has told associates in at least two of the GOP campaigns that he has no plan to endorse before New Hampshire votes.

But close Romney allies do not rule out a last minute change of heart. In saying that, they acknowledge a shift in his thinking about the race post-Iowa, and these sources tell CNN that should Romney decide to drop his neutrality before Tuesday, the all-but-certain recipient of that blessing would be Marco Rubio.

CNN is told there is a fresh Rubio effort to win Romney’s endorsement based on his third place showing in Iowa. The Florida senator’s team makes the case that now is the time to coalesce around Rubio as the strongest alternative to Trump and Texas Sen. Ted Cruz…

Romney, according to sources close to the former Massachusetts governor, has a trademark reaction to such talk: Is there data to support the argument that Rubio is in play to defeat Trump in New Hampshire?

Is that the key question right now, whether Rubio can beat Trump next week? I thought the question was whether Rubio will beat Bush, Christie, Kasich, and (ideally) Cruz, preferably by a lot, which would all but eliminate the first three and make South Carolina a three-man race. If the kitchen-sink attacks weaken Rubio to the point where he underperforms, we may end up with a muddle on the center-right in SC, which raises the chance of a Trump/Cruz two-man race over the next month. If Romney wants to stop Trump, his best play is to go all-in for Rubio right now knowing that a likely worst-case scenario is that Rubio finishes a strong second in New Hampshire and the best-case scenario is that he stuns Trump and effectively eliminates him from the race. What are you waiting for, Mitt?






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I guess we will see how Rubio does. And whether Cruz’s cheating will matter long term.

I have no ability to change anything.

Go! Rubio.

petunia on February 4, 2016 at 7:25 PM

I will tell you where Rubio is not a Republican Obama. Rubio doesn’t need a tele-prompter

jstanley54 on February 4, 2016 at 7:09 PM

True, he is really quick on his feet. And for all the talk about Cruz’s debate skills… harvard debate team… Cruz beat him. It’s impressive.

petunia on February 4, 2016 at 7:27 PM

Trump needs to win NH and it shouldn’t be close or he’s in trouble.

BoxHead1 on February 4, 2016 at 7:19 PM

I mentioned it this morning. It is the one way I am identifying the paid GOPe trolls on this blog.

They are all peddling some version of “Trump should win by a huge margin in NH or he still loses…”

What type of nonsense is that? Cruz won Iowa by what margin? Romney won NH by what margin?

If Trump wins huge, it gives him added momentum to sweep the slate on the rest. But winning by a small margin is still a win. Might make SC a close contest but Trump can still win there too.

I find your type of arguments against Trump infantile and lacking any cogent analysis. Get back to Politics 101. You still have a lot to learn.

TheRightMan on February 4, 2016 at 7:30 PM

Why isn’t HA reporting the poll released TODAY by the Morning Consult? Showing:
Trump: 38%
Cruz: 14%
Rubio: 12%

But also another poll was released yesterday from Reuters … which I don’t see HA reporting on …showing:

Trump: 36%
Cruz: 16%
Rubio: 14%.

VorDaj on February 4, 2016 at 6:43 PM

What, and wreck the Rubio ‘surge’ narrative?

TheMadHessian on February 4, 2016 at 7:30 PM

I mentioned it this morning. It is the one way I am identifying the paid GOPe trolls on this blog.

They are all peddling some version of “Trump should win by a huge margin in NH or he still loses…”

What type of nonsense is that? Cruz won Iowa by what margin? Romney won NH by what margin?

If Trump wins huge, it gives him added momentum to sweep the slate on the rest. But winning by a small margin is still a win. Might make SC a close contest but Trump can still win there too.

I find your type of arguments against Trump infantile and lacking any cogent analysis. Get back to Politics 101. You still have a lot to learn.

TheRightMan on February 4, 2016 at 7:30 PM

Institutionalized is spamming that particular argument. He’s so easy to ignore.

fossten on February 4, 2016 at 7:34 PM

TheRightMan on February 4, 2016 at 7:30 PM

As you clearly see, they are simply prepping the battlefield by setting false expectations, in order to manipulate voters’ opinion like little children.

If Manning doesn’t throw at least 15 TDs in the 2nd Quarter, the Broncos lose. If Newton doesn’t dab eleventy times or hand a football to at least 50% of the kids in attendance, Panthers lose.

Christien on February 4, 2016 at 7:37 PM

Institutionalized is spamming that particular argument. He’s so easy to ignore.

fossten on February 4, 2016 at 7:34 PM

So easy that you always seem to be responding to me.

That is great. Your 7 day self ban up already? Man not of your word.

Constitutionalist on February 4, 2016 at 7:40 PM

Many times the truth is very marginal at best.

So in effect, what you are complaining about is a politician campaigned where he was strongest and his opponent was weakest… Is this what you are complaining about? Seriously?
Carson should have had 1500 plus captains, and then he could have fought back. He is weak, he gets what he gets.

Constipationalist on February 4, 2016 at 5:13 PM

Lying sack of shit.

Constipationalist on February 4, 2016 at 7:20 PM

Caucuses are a contested voting event. It is fair game to campaign there. They are not like primaries or the general election.

Cruz was right to take advantage of Ben Carson doing stupid stuff. The fact that Ben Carson refused to reprimand the staffer who started the whole event, Ben Carson cannot complain that other people have poor character. The fault of the event lies at the feet of Ben Carson.

Constipationalist on February 4, 2016 at 5:52 PM

The Sociopath Next Door…

Your looking at only about 5% of the population, but there out there. Notice the long – very long – responses in his posts after he’s been challenged….classic Narcissistic injury response.

Yeah, we got a real one here. From his posts yesterday I think it’s pretty likely we’d find some real sicko images on his home computer.

WestportSC on February 4, 2016 at 7:52 PM

The one good thing I can say about Rubio, is that he’d make a better president than Hillary or Bernie.

One could only hope that with a republican president, the GOPe would feel less of a need to bow down to the whims of the liberals.

I’m afraid that Trump would be to “malleable” (to quote one of his biggest fans) and eager to make the “big deals” with the liberals. And in so doing, pulling the GOPe along for more of the same.

Oxymoron on February 4, 2016 at 7:57 PM

The Sociopath Next Door…

Your looking at only about 5% of the population, but there out there. Notice the long – very long – responses in his posts after he’s been challenged….classic Narcissistic injury response.

Yeah, we got a real one here. From his posts yesterday I think it’s pretty likely we’d find some real sicko images on his home computer.

WestportSC on February 4, 2016 at 7:52 PM

I see your bet and raise you.

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/guybenson/2015/11/13/trump-carsons-incurably-and-pathologically-diseased-kind-of-like-a-pedophile-n2080044

Trump cannot handle it. He is weak and a brat. My 4 year old handles failure better than this loser.

Donald J. [email protected]
Ted Cruz didn’t win Iowa, he stole it. That is why all of the polls were so wrong and why he got far more votes than anticipated. Bad!
8:47 AM – 3 Feb 2016

Donald J. [email protected]
During primetime of the Iowa Caucus, Cruz put out a release that @RealBenCarson was quitting the race, and to caucus (or vote) for Cruz.
8:56 AM – 3 Feb 2016

Donald J. [email protected]
Many people voted for Cruz over Carson because of this Cruz fraud. Also, Cruz sent out a VOTER VIOLATION certificate to thousands of voters.
9:07 AM – 3 Feb 2016

Donald J. [email protected]
The Voter Violation certificate gave poor marks to the unsuspecting voter(grade of F) and told them to clear it up by voting for Cruz. Fraud
9:10 AM – 3 Feb 2016

Donald J. [email protected]
And finally, Cruz strongly told thousands of caucusgoers (voters) that Trump was strongly in favor of ObamaCare and “choice” – a total lie!
9:21 AM – 3 Feb 2016

Donald J. [email protected]
Based on the fraud committed by Senator Ted Cruz during the Iowa Caucus, either a new election should take place or Cruz results nullified.
9:28 AM – 3 Feb 2016

Donald Trump was a good friend of convicted pedophile Jeffry Epstein who it is rumored loaned out his little girls to rich powerful men in the hopes of having blackmail-level information against them for his future use.

He was turned on by 12-year-old Paris Hilton and was happy to watch her porn tape when it surfaced.

Donald Trump may even give some pedophiles the creeps when he talks about his daughter in sexual ways, even hinting that he would be dating her if he was not married and her daddy and all.

I am guessing Trump would have much worse stuff on his hard drives.

Constitutionalist on February 4, 2016 at 7:59 PM

Redstone on February 4, 2016 at 6:50 PM
To quote my mother in-law: “Go lie to someone else”. Dude, you have a nasty habit of trying to mobley your way in these threads. You and the other Trump supporters are going to have to own it, if you want any commenter’s on this blog to take you seriously. Look, the coin of the realm on blogs is good manners. Sure, there are sharp elbows thrown, but at the end of day, there is no harm done. A hard core of pro Trump supporters launched bitter personal attacks on this blog without thinking. That does not go away. You reap what you sow. Suddenly sliding over to Rubio will not get you and other Trump supporters a do over. But most people will look the other way if you stop. Or simply say ‘I sorry, I screwed up, lets move on.'(Which Trump is doing today in N.H.) So I urge you Redstone, and every pro and anti Trump hard core to think about what you writing. And for God’s sake, act like adults.

flackcatcher on February 4, 2016 at 8:14 PM

I mentioned it this morning. It is the one way I am identifying the paid GOPe trolls on this blog.

They are all peddling some version of “Trump should win by a huge margin in NH or he still loses…”
I find your type of arguments against Trump infantile and lacking any cogent analysis. Get back to Politics 101. You still have a lot to learn.

TheRightMan on February 4, 2016 at 7:30 PM

You first say I’m a troll creating expectations and then you say I have a lot to learn. Which is it? Are you saying I’m not trolling well and I need to learn how??

1st off FU dbag. I come here to enjoy the horserace and express my opinions. Unlike you I’m not a shill for anybody. Unlike you I don’t have some inflated idea about the value of my posts to change minds. You can play wizard propaganda master if you want. I’m playing the horse race. Grown men don’t play master of the internet or inspector Rightman exposing the secret agents in their midst.

Now, to my opinion about Trump winning decisively.

Trump was up 25 point with 8 days to go. He doesn’t want to fall 20 points in a week. Coulter said AT HIS RALLY that NH was Trump country. Trump has no real GOTV organization so close elections will not favor him. If Trump wins by just 5 points over Rubio everyone and their cousin will say the same thing – Rubio won – just like IA. And in SC the whole state apparatus will be backing Rubio. Trump has hinted about the financial burden to him.

I’m for Trump because of immigration and trade. I’m not a slave to Trump though. I’m not your type. I’m not a shill. I’ll keep an open mind until I cast a vote.

BoxHead1 on February 4, 2016 at 8:24 PM

Trump cannot handle it. He is weak and a brat. My 4 year old handles failure better than this loser.

Constitutionalist on February 4, 2016 at 7:59 PM

Branstad says Cruz employed ‘unethical and unfair’ tactics Monday night

I see that 4 year old failure every time someone from the Cruz campaign is trotted out and gets beat down from CNN while defending their lies. At least the Cruz campaign could man up and admit it they’re unethical. Talk about weak.

TheMadHessian on February 4, 2016 at 8:25 PM

’m for Trump because of immigration and trade. I’m not a slave to Trump though. I’m not your type. I’m not a shill. I’ll keep an open mind until I cast a vote.

BoxHead1 on February 4, 2016 at 8:24 PM

Not inserting myself in this, just thought you did a good job expressing your feelings about Trump..not that my opinion matters a lick.

WestportSC on February 4, 2016 at 8:30 PM

Trump cannot handle it. He is weak and a brat. My 4 year old handles failure better than this loser.

Constitutionalist on February 4, 2016 at 7:59 PM

Branstad says Cruz employed ‘unethical and unfair’ tactics Monday night

I see that 4 year old failure every time someone from the Cruz campaign is trotted out and gets beat down from CNN while defending their lies. At least the Cruz campaign could man up and admit it they’re unethical. Talk about weak.

TheMadHessian on February 4, 2016 at 8:25 PM

Branstad is a biased agent. Cruz refused to kiss King Ethanol’s Ring, and King Ethanol will get his revenge any way he can.

The Carson team blundered, showed their leader with his pants down, Cruz used it to his advantage, as a good General should.

You know who is not ethical in this. Ben Carson who is not reprimanding his employee who started this whole event in motion. A huge failure in accountability.

Campaigns say things about each other all the time. Many times the truth is very marginal at best. It is incumbent upon the candidates to be able to fight back against these attacks, that is what separates the wheat from the chaff. Cruz did his homework, used his money and campaign prowess to place over 1500 captains at the caucuses. Those captains are a powerful tool. Caucuses are a place where the campaign continues, unlike primary votes where campaigning is illegal.
So in effect, what you are complaining about is a politician campaigned where he was strongest and his opponent was weakest… Is this what you are complaining about? Seriously?
Carson should have had 1500 plus captains, and then he could have fought back. He is weak, he gets what he gets.

Constitutionalist on February 4, 2016 at 8:31 PM

Not inserting myself in this, just thought you did a good job expressing your feelings about Trump..not that my opinion matters a lick.

WestportSC on February 4, 2016 at 8:30 PM

Thanks. I’m not trying to fight with inspector pr*ck above – just stating my opinion.

BoxHead1 on February 4, 2016 at 8:38 PM

TheRightMan on February 4, 2016 at 7:30 PM
BoxHead1 on February 4, 2016 at 8:24 PM

Looks to me like it was a misunderstanding.

I agree that he just needs to win, probably.

NH has democrats that can vote too, so who knows what sorts of shenanigans that the GOPe will pull or what happened in Iowa.

The GOPe isn’t going to roll out the red carpet for Trump or Cruz, they will have to take it.

Redstone on February 4, 2016 at 9:00 PM

Constitutionalist on February 4, 2016 at 8:31 PM

Why won’t Cruz admit they’re unethical, is he really that much of a b*tch? I mean seriously, what a punk to not even have the balls to admit it and sit there on CNN and act like cȕcks why they browbeat you. Sad..

TheMadHessian on February 4, 2016 at 9:09 PM

You and the other Trump supporters are going to have to own it, if you want any commenter’s on this blog to take you seriously. Look, the coin of the realm on blogs is good manners. Sure, there are sharp elbows thrown, but at the end of day, there is no harm done. A hard core of pro Trump supporters launched bitter personal attacks on this blog without thinking. That does not go away. You reap what you sow.

flackcatcher on February 4, 2016 at 8:14 PM

Donald Trump was a good friend of convicted pedophile Jeffry Epstein who it is rumored loaned out his little girls to rich powerful men in the hopes of having blackmail-level information against them for his future use.

He was turned on by 12-year-old Paris Hilton and was happy to watch her porn tape when it surfaced.

Donald Trump may even give some pedophiles the creeps when he talks about his daughter in sexual ways, even hinting that he would be dating her if he was not married and her daddy and all.

I am guessing Trump would have much worse stuff on his hard drives.

Constitutionalist on February 4, 2016 at 7:59 PM

You are in good company, flakcatcher. Keep up the moralistic tirades – I’m always inspired by those who set a good example and take the high road.

Jose K on February 4, 2016 at 10:04 PM

Paris Hilton was 12 years old in her porn tape?

Or are you just lying like you usually do?

blink on February 4, 2016 at 10:04 PM

Careful, blink, or flakcatcher will lecture you for that bitter personal attack.

Jose K on February 4, 2016 at 10:06 PM

Carson is still mad that his superPAC people all quit to join the Cruz campaign.

Random Numbers (Brian Epps) on February 4, 2016 at 10:08 PM

Looks to me like it was a misunderstanding.

I agree that he just needs to win, probably.

NH has democrats that can vote too, so who knows what sorts of shenanigans that the GOPe will pull or what happened in Iowa.

The GOPe isn’t going to roll out the red carpet for Trump or Cruz, they will have to take it.

Redstone on February 4, 2016 at 9:00 PM

I understood him.
Anyway, I disagree. Trump needs to win convincingly. He was up 25 and Rubio was at 8. If , in one week, Rubio makes it close in a small state that doesn’t even need as much GOTV as IA then that’s the sign of a trend.

So here is the other side of my opinion – so a few of them here can super sleuth about how I’m paid to do a double fake(what total poser c__ts) – the other side is I believe Trump will clear that hurdle. I think he’s going to win by >10. I don’t think Rubio will move much more. Of course, in a few days we’ll know and it will be academic.

BoxHead1 on February 4, 2016 at 10:45 PM

Where’s the RightMan response? I’m not done with that muffin-top.

Here’s cogent ahole. I never talk about myself here but I’ll give you a hint. I was head IT for a multimillion dollar political campaign in a previous life. What’s your history in politics? I’ve seen the sausage made. And you? just comment at HA , right? That’s your expertise.

BoxHead1 on February 4, 2016 at 11:55 PM

I guess I am done with him.

BoxHead1 on February 4, 2016 at 11:56 PM

Why won’t Cruz admit they’re unethical, is he really that much of a b*tch? I mean seriously, what a punk to not even have the balls to admit it and sit there on CNN and act like cȕcks why they browbeat you. Sad..

TheMadHessian on February 4, 2016 at 9:09 PM

+1000

And LOL.

NWConservative on February 5, 2016 at 12:06 AM

Anyway, I disagree. Trump needs to win convincingly. He was up 25 and Rubio was at 8. If , in one week, Rubio makes it close in a small state that doesn’t even need as much GOTV as IA then that’s the sign of a trend.

So here is the other side of my opinion – so a few of them here can super sleuth about how I’m paid to do a double fake(what total poser c__ts) – the other side is I believe Trump will clear that hurdle. I think he’s going to win by >10. I don’t think Rubio will move much more. Of course, in a few days we’ll know and it will be academic.

BoxHead1 on February 4, 2016 at 10:45 PM

I have now seen three polls showing him with at least a twenty point edge over the nearest competitor. Cruz and Rubio (The Real Winner of Iowa ;) ) are not enjoying the ten point bump Santorum got after winning/tying Iowa in New Hampshire.

NWConservative on February 5, 2016 at 12:10 AM

Has anyone researched whether a Mitt Romney endorsement would actually help Rubio ? Not in my neck of the woods.

Tonynoboloney on February 5, 2016 at 12:54 AM

Awww, is the flood of ads disrupting the planned flood of endorsements?

The Cruz ad is funny, but not all that original. Still, I guess it hits his two main competitors pretty well.

I actually liked the Kasich ad. Very substantive. Unfortunately, it’s still Kasich.

The knock on Rubio for executive experience is true enough, but the only competitors in the race who can take advantage of it are the former governors, and neither Jeb nor Kasich are going anywhere. Trump’s business executive skills are unlikely to do him much good in the Oval Office. And Cruz has better executive experience in the government than Rubio — from working in the Bush administration, and being director of policy planning for the FTC — but is certainly not a governor.

There Goes the Neighborhood on February 5, 2016 at 1:07 AM

In related news.

Total scumbag.

Paperclips on February 4, 2016 at 4:04 PM

Those would be the “total scumbag” voicemails that caught the Cruz campaign saying … that Carson was taking a break from campaigning, just as CNN said, but NOT that Carson was dropping out.

There Goes the Neighborhood on February 5, 2016 at 1:10 AM

Those would be the “total scumbag” voicemails that caught the Cruz campaign saying … that Carson was taking a break from campaigning, just as CNN said, but NOT that Carson was dropping out.

There Goes the Neighborhood on February 5, 2016 at 1:10 AM

Shut UP hack.

Hello, this is the Cruz campaign with breaking news: Dr. Ben Carson will be [garbled] suspending campaigning following tonight’s caucuses. Please inform any Carson caucus goers of this news and urge them to caucus for Ted instead. Thank you. Good night.

NWConservative on February 5, 2016 at 1:30 AM

My point is that people less likely to look at it as “cheating” when the truth of that claim seems to be a forgone conclusion only 3 days removed from Iowa.

anuts on February 4, 2016 at 4:42 PM

The Iowa Secretary of state said those flyers were cheating (probably a different word). But dishonest. And he tried to steal Carson’s votes, the evidence was clearly laid out on O’Reilly last night. He only needed 4 votes per caucus and Trump won not Cruz. We won’t ever know the outcome, but we do know Cruz cheated. The timing was clear, they lied after they knew the information was false. They purposely stole votes with lies.

It probably wasn’t illegal. But since he is supposed to be the honest one, it matters. You can’t set your self up to be the Sheriff or priest, then cheat.

petunia on February 4, 2016 at 4:47 PM

Trump won? Maybe in his own mind. He lost, as he should have, considering he made no real effort to be competitive and just hoped his larger-than-life personality would give him the win.

It was Carson who said he was taking a break from campaigning, which was widely interpreted as a prelude to dropping out. Not just Cruz, but the Rubio and the Rand Paul campaign both went after Carson’s voters on the assumption he was throwing in the towel. You can go to http://www.trevorloudon.com/2016/02/cnn-not-cruz-staff-responsible-for-ben-carson-campaign-suspension-rumor/ and see a collection of tweets from various CNN reporters suggesting it was weird or bizarre for a candidate to say such a thing during the caucuses. Everyone knew the Carson campaign was in trouble, and this seemed to confirm that he was getting ready to quit.

For example, this tweet was from a Rand Paul supporter:

Word on the street Ben Carson done!Grab them voters!!!Look at @CNN

https://twitter.com/shupe_laura/status/694323748003012608

Trump lost Iowa. It would have been a respectable loss, if he hadn’t acted like it was in the bag, and then had to backtrack.

There Goes the Neighborhood on February 5, 2016 at 1:31 AM

In related news.

Total scumbag.

Paperclips on February 4, 2016 at 4:04 PM

Those would be the “total scumbag” voicemails that caught the Cruz campaign saying … that Carson was taking a break from campaigning, just as CNN said, but NOT that Carson was dropping out.

There Goes the Neighborhood on February 5, 2016 at 1:10 AM

Except that, inconveniently for you, they were telling voters something else entirely, that they should vote for Cruz who is “in it for the long haul.” That was long after Carson’s team had clarified what they meant.

You’re not going to spin this one to get Cruz coming out an innocent, little lamb, no matter how hard you try.

JannyMae on February 5, 2016 at 1:32 AM

Those would be the “total scumbag” voicemails that caught the Cruz campaign saying … that Carson was taking a break from campaigning, just as CNN said, but NOT that Carson was dropping out.

There Goes the Neighborhood on February 5, 2016 at 1:10 AM

Shut UP hack.

Hello, this is the Cruz campaign with breaking news: Dr. Ben Carson will be [garbled] suspending campaigning following tonight’s caucuses. Please inform any Carson caucus goers of this news and urge them to caucus for Ted instead. Thank you. Good night.

NWConservative on February 5, 2016 at 1:30 AM

First voicemail: “taking a break from campaigning.” Second voicemal: “suspending campaigning.” Neither voicemail: dropping out.

You’re so invested in your narrative that you jump on “proof” that doesn’t actually prove your claim at all.

Hack.

There Goes the Neighborhood on February 5, 2016 at 1:34 AM

NWConservative on February 5, 2016 at 1:30 AM

Thank you.

Now he’s taking the “everyone knew Carson was dropping out anyway” tack.

There Goes the Neighborhood on February 5, 2016 at 1:31 AM

You didn’t read what he said, from the beginning. He didn’t say “Trump won.” He said …if Cruz got extra votes because of the lie Cruz’ campaign told about Carson…

You’re another (color me surprised!) dishonest Cruzite hack.

Maybe your name should be “There Goes My Credibility.”

JannyMae on February 5, 2016 at 1:38 AM

Except that, inconveniently for you, they were telling voters something else entirely, that they should vote for Cruz who is “in it for the long haul.” That was long after Carson’s team had clarified what they meant.

You’re not going to spin this one to get Cruz coming out an innocent, little lamb, no matter how hard you try.

JannyMae on February 5, 2016 at 1:32 AM

Because he along with the other true believers are now supporters of corruption and dirty politics.

NWConservative on February 5, 2016 at 1:43 AM

In related news.

Total scumbag.

Paperclips on February 4, 2016 at 4:04 PM

Those would be the “total scumbag” voicemails that caught the Cruz campaign saying … that Carson was taking a break from campaigning, just as CNN said, but NOT that Carson was dropping out.

There Goes the Neighborhood on February 5, 2016 at 1:10 AM

Except that, inconveniently for you, they were telling voters something else entirely, that they should vote for Cruz who is “in it for the long haul.” That was long after Carson’s team had clarified what they meant.

You’re not going to spin this one to get Cruz coming out an innocent, little lamb, no matter how hard you try.

JannyMae on February 5, 2016 at 1:32 AM

They said “don’t waste a vote on Carson. Vote for a candidate who is in it for the long haul.”

Have you never observed politics before? That’s typical rhetoric from pretty much all players.

Politics ain’t beanbag. Politicians question each other’s commitment, rhetoric, state of mind, honesty, etc.

The voicemails only confirm what we already knew:
1) That Carson’s staff made an announcement that was interpreted by many as “he’s getting ready to drop out.”
2) That Cruz’s campaign passed on that news to precinct captains as part of their “get out the vote” effort. There’s where your voicemails come in.
3) That Carson issued a clarification that leaving the campaign trail did not mean he was dropping out permanently
4) That Cruz’s campaign did NOT pass on that message. Which was the only thing he apologized for. Which is a little unfair, since it’s not really his job to pass on such information for the Carson campaign. But it should have been passed on, anyway, just so all precinct captains would know they had bad information previously.

And this last clarification was issued shortly after the caucuses began.

Go to http://www.trevorloudon.com/2016/02/cnn-not-cruz-staff-responsible-for-ben-carson-campaign-suspension-rumor/ and read the CNN tweets. How many of them specifically said Carson was not dropping out. I think I saw a couple. Most either said nothing beyond “he’s leaving the campaign trail for a while” or added a comment that it was a weird thing for a candidate to do in the middle of primary season.

Of course, most of these are tweets, which means 140 characters or less. It’s no surprise that they don’t offer a lot of details, like what else Carson had to say about continuing his campaign.

The Cruz campaign, the Rubio campaign, and even the Rand Paul campaign thought Carson was dropping out, and were all salivating over picking up his voters.

But Cruz won, so now they act like it was only Cruz.

There Goes the Neighborhood on February 5, 2016 at 1:46 AM

Hello, this is the Cruz campaign with breaking news: Dr. Ben Carson will be [garbled] suspending campaigning following tonight’s caucuses. Please inform any Carson caucus goers of this news and urge them to caucus for Ted instead. Thank you. Good night.

NWConservative on February 5, 2016 at 1:30 AM

First voicemail: “taking a break from campaigning.”


You are a lying hack that supports corruption and fraud.

Second voicemal: “suspending campaigning.”

Under election law, the phrase “suspending a campaign” has no formal meaning. It’s used most frequently by candidates when they drop out of their primary race. There’s a reason for that: If a candidate “ended” his campaign instead of merely “suspending” it, then he might lose eligibility for federal matching funds that would help pay off his debts. The phrase has been employed at least as far back as the 1970s and continues to serve as the most popular way for candidates to end their primary bids without closing down their campaign committees.

Hello, this is the Cruz campaign with breaking news: Dr. Ben Carson will be [garbled] suspending campaigning following tonight’s caucuses. Please inform any Carson caucus goers of this news and urge them to caucus for Ted instead. Thank you. Good night.

so it is very important that you tell any Ben Carson voters that for tonight, uh, that they not waste a vote on Ben Carson, and vote for Ted Cruz.

You are a lying hack that supports corruption and fraud.

Neither voicemail: dropping out.

You are a lying hack that supports corruption and fraud.

You’re so invested in your narrative that you jump on “proof” that doesn’t actually prove your claim at all.

Liar.

You are a lying hack that supports corruption and fraud.

Hack.

There Goes the Neighborhood on February 5, 2016 at 1:34 AM

Liar.

You are a lying hack that supports corruption and fraud.

NWConservative on February 5, 2016 at 2:01 AM

Armstrong Williams @Arightside

Carson is not suspending his campaign? outright lie and poison being spread by liars that are threatened by his sudden Iowa surge.
5:03 PM – 1 Feb 2016

Armstrong Williams
[email protected]

There is a never ending desire to end @RealBenCarson campaign. Reporters embedded with rival candidates compromise their journalistic ethics
5:28 PM – 1 Feb 2016


Carson advisor, that Ted Cruz’s campaign just couldn’t be bothered to look up and verify the information, stating ONE HOUR AND A HALF BEFORE THE CAUCUS THAT THEY WERE NOT SUSPENDING THE CAMPAIGN.

Ted Cruz and his campaign decided to run with his made up smear campaign and lie to voter’s faces at the caucuses.

NWConservative on February 5, 2016 at 2:13 AM

NWConservative on February 5, 2016 at 1:30 AM

Thank you.

Now he’s taking the “everyone knew Carson was dropping out anyway” tack.

There Goes the Neighborhood on February 5, 2016 at 1:31 AM

You didn’t read what he said, from the beginning. He didn’t say “Trump won.” He said …if Cruz got extra votes because of the lie Cruz’ campaign told about Carson…

You’re another (color me surprised!) dishonest Cruzite hack.

Maybe your name should be “There Goes My Credibility.”

JannyMae on February 5, 2016 at 1:38 AM

That’s good. LOL.

NWConservative on February 5, 2016 at 2:14 AM

You are a lying hack that supports corruption and fraud.

NWConservative on February 5, 2016 at 2:01 AM

Why, that might sting. If it was coming from someone that didn’t shop around every little rumor and innuendo about Trump’s competitors.

Like when you spent all that time saying that Cruz must be hiding something about his birth, and was probably not even a US citizen, because he had “sealed” his records. Of course, he had released both his birth certificate and his mother’s to the Dallas Morning News weeks before, and they were easily found on line.

But hey, as long as calling Cruz a Canadian might hurt his support, what’s a little lie, right?

I no more believe you’re worked up about Cruz “cheating,” than I believe Trump is worked up about Cruz’s eligibility. It’s nothing more than an attack line for you, and an applause line for Trump.

I looked at the evidence for Cruz cheating, and the most I can find is that he passed on a misinterpretation of a statement from the Carson campaign, and failed to pass on the following clarification while the caucuses were ongoing. Which is exactly what he apologized for.

And one way I know you’re not really worked up about the “cheating,” is that you’re only blaming Cruz for it. If cheating actually bothered you, you’d be spreading the blame to the Rubio campaign at the very least.

But apparently it’s only enemy #1 that is ‘cheating.’

There Goes the Neighborhood on February 5, 2016 at 2:30 AM

You are a lying hack that supports corruption and fraud.

NWConservative on February 5, 2016 at 2:01 AM

There Goes the Neighborhood on February 5, 2016 at 2:30 AM

BTW, I’m done answering your diatribes politely piece by piece. This is what passes for a discussion with you: a repetition of name calling.

There Goes the Neighborhood on February 5, 2016 at 2:33 AM

Why, that might sting. If it was coming from someone that didn’t shop around every little rumor and innuendo about Trump’s competitors.

It’s not innuendo just because you say it so “There Goes My Credibility.”

Like when you spent all that time saying that Cruz must be hiding something about his birth, and was probably not even a US citizen, because he had “sealed” his records.

Like when you spent all that time saying the matter is settled because he did. ROTFLMAO.

Of course, he had released both his birth certificate and his mother’s to the Dallas Morning News weeks before, and they were easily found on line.

That was not what we were talking about, “There Goes My Credibility.”

But hey, as long as calling Cruz a Canadian might hurt his support, what’s a little lie, right?

Cruz is a Canadian or is that another spurious lie that must be defused by “There Goes My Credibility”?

I no more believe you’re worked up about Cruz “cheating,” than I believe Trump is worked up about Cruz’s eligibility. It’s nothing more than an attack line for you, and an applause line for Trump.

You are a lying hack that supports corruption and fraud.

I looked at the evidence for Cruz cheating,

And promptly dismiss it when found.

and the most I can find want to find is that he passed on a misinterpretation of a on telling the truth about the statement from the Carson campaign,

and failed to pass on the following clarification while the caucuses were ongoing.

Not only did he fail, he purposely passed on lies to every precinct in Iowa after the Carson campaign and CNN plainly stated he was not dropping out.

And he did it three times. Once with the press release three minutes after Carson stated he was not dropping out, and twice more during the caucus.

Which is exactly what he apologized for.

Oh that’s nice. It’s a good thing we let bank robbers keep their winnings too.

And one way I know you’re not really worked up about the “cheating,” is that you’re only blaming Cruz for it.

There is evidence that Cruz’s campaign made his lying ass claims three separate times. Cruz is running as a Christian Conservative praising “Glory to God” after sliming Carson.

Rubio didn’t send out threatening mailers, and there is not evidence that there was widespread Rubio people pressing the Cruz meme all over Iowa. Show me the dozens of incidents and the voicemails and the press releases that Rubio did.

If cheating actually bothered you, you’d be spreading the blame to the Rubio campaign at the very least.

I stated it last night that both those campaigns can go to hell.

But apparently it’s only enemy #1 that is ‘cheating.’

There Goes My Credibility on February 5, 2016 at 2:30 AM

Excusing dirty politics and defending it is pathetic.

But it has been fun watching you “conservatives” squirm.

NWConservative on February 5, 2016 at 2:59 AM

BTW, I’m done answering your diatribes politely piece by piece. This is what passes for a discussion with you: a repetition of name calling.

There Goes the Neighborhood on February 5, 2016 at 2:33 AM

Please, you left that station a long time ago.

Definition of lying

1. marked by or containing falsehoods

Definition of hack

1. a writer or journalist producing dull, unoriginal work.

corruption

1. dishonest or fraudulent conduct by those in power, typically involving bribery.
2. the process by which something, typically a word or expression, is changed from its original use or meaning to one that is regarded as erroneous or debased.

fraud

1. wrongful or criminal deception intended to result in financial or personal gain.
2. a person or thing intended to deceive others, typically by unjustifiably claiming or being credited with accomplishments or qualities.

ERGO:

You are a lying hack that supports corruption and fraud.

NWConservative on February 5, 2016 at 3:10 AM

Rubio=Romney =mccain =dole

NYCMike on February 5, 2016 at 5:18 AM

I’m still for Cruz, but Rubio’s not bad.
He made a major f-up with the Gang of Eight crap, but I bet that he’s learned from that.

Anyways, as a diehard conservative, here’s my own current preference list:

1.Cruz
2.Rubio = Trump

Christie would absolutely destroy Hillary in a debate, which would be totally worth the price of a ticket, and is actually pretty good overall. I wouldn’t be at all upset, if he were the nominee, but that isn’t likely to happen.

Kasich remains really annoying. I’ll be glad when he drops out.

Sadly, Carson is going nuts right before our very eyes. He needs to drop out for his own good.

Jeb is just being a pri¢k at this point and needs to drop put.

I like Fiorina, but she needs to go.

Gilmore needs to go and just enjoy his retirement.

Hillary and Sanders need to join the Rope and Lamppost Club.

justltl on February 5, 2016 at 6:44 AM

Mitt wasting his time to get Fiorina on the stage would be better used endorsing Rubio.

timoric on February 5, 2016 at 8:03 AM

I think one of the biggest liabilities the Republicans are going to have against Hillary is that she knows where she wants to go and it resonates with virtually everything in the mainstream media, popular culture, and with young people.

1. Universal Health Care
2. Climate Change
2. College Debt
3. Gay, women, voting, immigrant rights
4. Gun control

What are the 4 things a Republican will do?
1. Repeal/replace Obamacare
2. Reform the tax code
3. Education Reform
4. Reduce the Deb

Which vision most fits what most people hear and tacitly accept as normal?

timoric on February 5, 2016 at 8:15 AM

Constitutionalist. Calling somebody a “lying sack of sh!t”????? My fears about you have been confirmed. Youre nothing but a vulgar, rude, abrasive individual…..

Indiana Jim on February 5, 2016 at 11:08 AM

Finally…..A Hotair headline I can agree with 100% (at least)

TRUMP/CRUZ 2016

Because America needs an Alpha Dog in the White House to MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!
by the way, rubio is a pro-amnesty runt puppy

Pragmatic on February 5, 2016 at 1:01 PM

runt – an undersized or weak person

Pragmatic on February 5, 2016 at 1:02 PM

NWConservative on February 5, 2016 at 3:10 AM

I got to hand it to you Bud those are some mad copy/paste skills you have there. Man you got that copy/paste shit down pat.
The copy/paste master. The king of copy/paste.
Too bad there isn’t a lot of demand of copy/paste specialists in the IT industry or you could get job and leave your mama’s basement someday.

Buttercup on February 6, 2016 at 11:06 AM

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