DMR: Man, that Democratic caucus process smells, doesn’t it?

posted at 8:01 pm on February 4, 2016 by Ed Morrissey

Yes it does — and the aroma may force Democrats to recast Hillary Clinton’s bragging rights into an outright loss. Did enough human error and potentially more malicious activity skew the final results of the Iowa caucuses? The influential Des Moines Register called for an audit of the Democratic caucuses after Bernie Sanders complained over a number of irregularities in the conduct and the counting of the event:

First of all, the results were too close not to do a complete audit of results. Two-tenths of 1 percent separated Bernie Sanders and Hillary Clinton. A caucus should not be confused with an election, but it’s worth noting that much larger margins trigger automatic recounts in other states.

Second, too many questions have been raised. Too many accounts have arisen of inconsistent counts, untrained and overwhelmed volunteers, confused voters, cramped precinct locations, a lack of voter registration forms and other problems. Too many of us, including members of the Register editorial board who were observing caucuses, saw opportunities for error amid Monday night’s chaos.

The Sanders campaign is rechecking results on its own, going precinct by precinct, and is already finding inconsistencies, said Rania Batrice, a Sanders spokeswoman. The campaign seeks the math sheets or other paperwork that precinct chairs filled out and were supposed to return to the state party. They want to compare those documents to the results entered into a Microsoft app and sent to the party.

If this sounds familiar, it should. Republicans had a similar problem with counting the caucuses in 2012, with Mitt Romney initially declared the narrow winner over surging Rick Santorum. Later, the GOP ended up reversing that conclusion, but Santorum lost the opportunity to increase his momentum in the race from an outright win … at least theoretically, anyway. On top of that, Ron Paul’s supporters ended up with most of the delegates anyway, after they organized through the caucuses to take control of the state convention. The embarrassment forced the Iowa GOP to reform the process, taking better care of caucus counts and requiring their convention delegation to vote proportionally by the results of the caucus.

Reviewing the GOP caucus results was difficult to do, in large part because the votes got cast on what was essentially scrap paper with no retention requirements in place. That would still be easier than an audit of the Democrats’ process, which takes multiple rounds of votes to eliminate candidates who can’t get to 15% in each round. Which votes went to which round? How many votes did each candidate get? Unlike in Republican caucuses, Democrats do not release popular vote totals. They only report the final results in delegates elected. Doing a recount would be impossible under the circumstances, and auditing the results almost as impossible. Oh, and also unlike the Republican caucuses (now), the Democratic caucus results are still non-binding.

If the Democratic caucuses smell, it’s only somewhat stronger than the aroma from caucuses in general. There are no private ballot protections in caucuses, and the lack of the paper trail that primaries and general elections provide means that issues like those seen in this razor-thin outcome can never be properly resolved. Furthermore, caucuses are by their nature not very representative of the electorate within the states. Most of the time, they get dominated by “establishment” forces, and occasionally by small but well-organized activist movements; Ron Paul’s group is a perfect example of the latter, both in Iowa and Minnesota, as well as a few other caucus states. State-run primaries and elections aren’t perfect, but they are much less susceptible to shenanigans, and at least have processes for built-in accountability.

If the DMR editorial board wants to actually fix this process, then they should demand primaries for both parties when it comes to presidential nominations. And the rest of the states should put aside these 19th-century circuses for a process that allows for much broader inclusion.


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Iowans will cry bu**hurt tears if they aren’t allowed to COME FIRST!!!

ladyingray on February 4, 2016 at 8:05 PM

Fortunately Her Royal Clintoness is well known for her honesty and integrity so an audit will find nothing.

I crack myself up.

rbj on February 4, 2016 at 8:07 PM

…the aroma may force Democrats to recast Hillary Clinton’s bragging rights into an outright loss

No need. That Hillary lost is already patently obvious to all.

FlameWarrior on February 4, 2016 at 8:07 PM

Hey – Hillary Clinton is “a terrific woman” …

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xM8jfZTC6Mo

Pork-Chop on February 4, 2016 at 8:12 PM

flip side however is that true LIVs look like the idiots they are and stay home.

WryTrvllr on February 4, 2016 at 8:13 PM

It would interesting if Bernie was found to have won and it was due to Hillary’s folks at each of the caucus places in question. I recall them saying the candidate or representative could attend the caucus meetings which I fund very odd and an opening for fraud.

tej on February 4, 2016 at 8:15 PM

Got in disagreement with Mr. Points about the likelihood of multiple D precincts coming out exactly even so they had to be decided by coin toss. He said he couldn’t believe 6 precincts came out exactly even. That was too many. I said out of 1500 caucuses, if the vote is split almost exactly 50/50, there will be many caucuses that have exactly 50% of votes for each candidate if there are an even number of voters present. If there is a normal distribution of caucuses with 50% for each candidate in the middle and half the caucuses have an even number of voters there should be many that got decided by coin toss, right?

Yes, I know this is a dumb thing to argue about.

Some news website had a different number of precincts decided by coin toss with Sanders winning some.

Is there anything close to an official answer?

talkingpoints on February 4, 2016 at 8:16 PM

Dump the caucuses altogether.

I’ll leave that to Iowa. Seriously, who cares? Everyone pisses ans moans about Iowa, but the only point that is of interest to us nationally is when Iowa has their caucus. Not whether they caucus or not. That’s Iowa’s problem.

NotCoach on February 4, 2016 at 8:16 PM

I recall them saying the candidate or representative could attend the caucus meetings which I fund very odd and an opening for fraud.

tej on February 4, 2016 at 8:15 PM

I think that is the tradition-ergo the strong Paul ground game.

There were reports that Hillary was using underage reps. They’re allowed in. I don’t know if there was a mechanism for preventing underage illegal votes from being counted.

talkingpoints on February 4, 2016 at 8:19 PM

In Iowa’s defense – this is the only time they are in the news. Any publicity is good publicity … or so they say.

smokeyblonde on February 4, 2016 at 8:21 PM

Smells Like Queen Spirit.

Christien on February 4, 2016 at 8:25 PM

Selected Not Elected!

rob verdi on February 4, 2016 at 8:28 PM

It reeks almost as badly as Hustler Loretta Lynch’s JustUs Department and quisling Benedict Roberts’ Supremes.

viking01 on February 4, 2016 at 8:33 PM

The Republican caucus isn’t exactly smelling like roses after the Cruz campaign’s disgraceful behavior.

MidAtlantic Moderate on February 4, 2016 at 8:35 PM

Hey they are easy to span. Just call one of the precinct chairpeople and tell them everyone is dropping out of the race except your guy.

SpongePuppy on February 4, 2016 at 8:38 PM

The Republican caucus isn’t exactly smelling like roses after the Cruz campaign’s disgraceful behavior.

MidAtlantic Moderate on February 4, 2016 at 8:35 PM

SpongePuppy on February 4, 2016 at 8:39 PM

The Republican caucus isn’t exactly smelling like roses after the Cruz campaign’s disgraceful behavior.

MidAtlantic Moderate on February 4, 2016 at 8:35 PM

I’d say some R candidates might be in some dispute between themselves but at least they have a count of the votes and aren’t relying on the D process where no one knows what goes down except we’re told who won. The D process is highly flawed when the public is only shown the winner.

tej on February 4, 2016 at 8:49 PM

DMR: Man, that Democratic caucus process smells, doesn’t it?

…I think Hillary farts a lot!

JugEarsButtHurt on February 4, 2016 at 8:51 PM

Kind of puts Iowa in a tough spot.

If they proceed to validate the integrity of their caucus, it could look bad for Hillary. Then what happens if she makes to the white house?

Poor Iowa. If you don’t, you’re the laughingstock of the electoral process. If you do, you could end up facing the wrath of the Hilldabeast.

I’d suggest getting your crap together for next time, to avoid such a conundrum.

Oxymoron on February 4, 2016 at 8:55 PM

The Republican caucus isn’t exactly smelling like roses after the Cruz campaign’s disgraceful behavior.

MidAtlantic Moderate on February 4, 2016 at 8:35 PM

1) Neither Cruz or his people (or Rubio) created the “lie”, nor were they aware that the information was incorrect.

2) Any candidate that does not make use of available information that helps his campaign, is a fool (see Trump).

3) What’s lacking in morality and character is spreading the notion that Cruz (or Rubio) created, and then knowingly, spread a lie.

CNN created the news item, any issue of it’s accuracy should be directed towards them.

Oxymoron on February 4, 2016 at 8:58 PM

So … is there no DNC Debate open thread?

smokeyblonde on February 4, 2016 at 9:03 PM

Is this the debate thread?

newportmike on February 4, 2016 at 9:06 PM

So … is there no DNC Debate open thread?

smokeyblonde on February 4, 2016 at 9:03 PM

America isn’t a Socialist Nation…Yet.

ToddPA on February 4, 2016 at 9:07 PM

Kind of puts Iowa in a tough spot.

If they proceed to validate the integrity of their caucus, it could look bad for Hillary. Then what happens if she makes to the white house?

Poor Iowa. If you don’t, you’re the laughingstock of the electoral process. If you do, you could end up facing the wrath of the Hilldabeast.

I’d suggest getting your crap together for next time, to avoid such a conundrum.

Oxymoron on February 4, 2016 at 8:55 PM

Six of the precincts for the Dems were determined by a coin flip–that’s right– a coin flip The Pantsuit won all six. Odds are 1.5% of that happening. This was a self inflicted would by the Iowegians. Stop with the integrity of the caucus..yes they are a deserved laughingstock–Hell even the Pork Congress doesn’t caucus–it stinks too much.

HatfieldMcCoy on February 4, 2016 at 9:13 PM

So … is there no DNC Debate open thread?

smokeyblonde on February 4, 2016 at 9:03 PM

America isn’t a Socialist Nation…Yet.

ToddPA on February 4, 2016 at 9:07 PM

Are you sure? I would call it Socialism-lite, but definitely well on the road where reversing the current trajectory is going to be nearly impossible.

Besides … unless there is discussion where the trolls can try to make their case, how can we (non-Socialists) debunk them?

smokeyblonde on February 4, 2016 at 9:15 PM

Is this the debate thread?

newportmike on February 4, 2016 at 9:06 PM

Sure! Why not? Someone needs to make an executive decision around here! :)

smokeyblonde on February 4, 2016 at 9:16 PM

Must say … the very words used by Sanders is educational in and of itself.

Learning tons regarding differences between Moderates and Progressives and Conservatives …

smokeyblonde on February 4, 2016 at 9:17 PM

HatfieldMcCoy on February 4, 2016 at 9:13 PM

I was being nice, I’ve got nothing generally against Iowa.

But if they’ve sold out their integrity to Hillary Clinton, then they surely deserve whatever consequnces.

My suggestion for them to improve their process would only benefit Iowa and America in the future.

Oxymoron on February 4, 2016 at 9:22 PM

OT: Obama proposes $10 per barrel oil tax.

Once again, he’s doing all he can to make energy costs “necessarily skyrocket.”

GrumpyOldFart on February 4, 2016 at 9:22 PM

♫ Ooo-oooh that smell… The smell of Clintons around you…..♫

viking01 on February 4, 2016 at 9:28 PM

OT: Obama proposes $10 per barrel oil tax.

Once again, he’s doing all he can to make energy costs “necessarily skyrocket.”

GrumpyOldFart on February 4, 2016 at 9:22 PM

Apparently the Saudi’s didn’t get the detailed memo as to how to destroy the US economy, just the Cliff Notes version.

smokeyblonde on February 4, 2016 at 9:42 PM

Oh snap! Sanders just called out Warren as good on economy! See a VP nomination on her horizon …

smokeyblonde on February 4, 2016 at 9:43 PM

What difference at this point, does it make?

the_moll on February 4, 2016 at 9:49 PM

Sanders at least seems somewhat principled as compared with Hillary! and the GOPe … may God help help … must be time for another beer when those are the choices for POTUS …

smokeyblonde on February 4, 2016 at 9:52 PM

Sanders at least seems somewhat principled as compared with Hillary! and the GOPe … may God help help me … must be time for another beer when those are the choices for POTUS …

smokeyblonde on February 4, 2016 at 9:52 PM

Or maybe not …

smokeyblonde on February 4, 2016 at 9:54 PM

Sanders on Foreign Policy: We learn lesson from Iraq that the US cannot do it alone. Cannot be policemen of the world. Need coalitions with Muslim countries.

smokeyblonde on February 4, 2016 at 10:04 PM

Clinton rebuttal: Concerns with inviting Iran into ME conflict. Wrong to ask Saudi’s and Iran to work together. Cannot predict national threats. One has to be ready from Day One.

Clinton has more foreign affairs experience. But she lacks judgement.

Sanders flattering Kerry.

Hillary – exercising judgement that Obama should go after Obama? What?!? Like that is even a question?!?

smokeyblonde on February 4, 2016 at 10:07 PM

Oh My! Hillary! Claiming stake to the Iranian nuke deal!!!!!!

smokeyblonde on February 4, 2016 at 10:08 PM

BUT … Iran is BBAAAADDD! per Hillary!

Leverage for influencing Iranian behavior? Like releasing $1.7 billion in frozen funds?

smokeyblonde on February 4, 2016 at 10:09 PM

Sanders: Cuba is no longer an enemy!

Sanders to Hillary: obama naive to talk to enemies.

ME: Just who are the government’s enemies nowadays? Anyone know?

smokeyblonde on February 4, 2016 at 10:10 PM

Oh good lord but anyone have any Everclear on hand? The Shiner Bocks aren’t cutting it …

smokeyblonde on February 4, 2016 at 10:11 PM

So … Sanders agrees with Trump regarding China and their interests?

Here we go! PUTIN! The Devil!!!! Bwwwaaahhhaaahhhaaaahhhaaa!

Nowadays … Russians doing the jobs America doesn’t want to do …

smokeyblonde on February 4, 2016 at 10:13 PM

Holy crap but I think blew HonestLibs rule out the window!

Sorry all … :(

smokeyblonde on February 4, 2016 at 10:13 PM

♫ Ooo-oooh that smell… The smell of Clintons around you…..♫

viking01 on February 4, 2016 at 9:28 PM

THAT was a Great song. You just ruined it.

ToddPA on February 4, 2016 at 10:13 PM

THAT was a Great song. You just ruined it.

ToddPA on February 4, 2016 at 10:13 PM

It’s still a great song about the perils of drugs and nose candy could explain the Clintoon’s behavior and decline.

Especially Slick’s impersonation of a ghost lately.

viking01 on February 4, 2016 at 10:18 PM

VA: The RNC is trying to convince American’s no VA necessary.

Hillary: will “fight that as hard as she can”. (yes – direct quote)

Sanders: Tried legislation to fix VA but only TWO RNC voted for it.

Sanders promoted comprehensive VA change … KOCH!!!!!!! DESTROYING!!!! EVERYTHING!!!!

Understanding waiting lines???? WTF was the issue the past few years BUT the waiting line???

Good lord but am a masochist for watching and then hijacking this thread! :)

smokeyblonde on February 4, 2016 at 10:19 PM

Sanders: Win the White House, get back Governorships, take back State legislatures.

Clinton: Strongest to take to RNC.

ME: Clinton is right if the candidate is GOPe.

smokeyblonde on February 4, 2016 at 10:28 PM

ME: Hillary! really needs to do something about the bag under her left eye. Quite distracting!

And just HTF do they think INCREASING taxes is good for lower and middle-class?

smokeyblonde on February 4, 2016 at 10:30 PM

Oh My! Email issue!

Before email it was Benghazi! “It was all political ploy!”

Rice and Powell did the same thing!!!! Retroactively classifying information! “No concerns whatsoever.”

100% confidant FBI investigation will come to nothing. “Retroactive Classifitaions” beggar the imagination.

Sanders: Very serious issue. Will not politicize it. **applause***

smokeyblonde on February 4, 2016 at 10:33 PM

She’s a horrible candidate.

newportmike on February 4, 2016 at 10:39 PM

She’s a horrible candidate.

newportmike on February 4, 2016 at 10:39 PM

Oh my Good Lord, but the WORST!!!!

And thank you for breaking my posting-streak! :)

Hello! Tim McVeigh was killed in a prison shower, not by the State!

smokeyblonde on February 4, 2016 at 10:41 PM

Uh Oh! Hillary for death penalty in certain circumstances. Sanders is never for Death Penalty.

smokeyblonde on February 4, 2016 at 10:43 PM

It’s still a great song about the perils of drugs and nose candy could explain the Clintoon’s behavior and decline.

Especially Slick’s impersonation of a ghost lately.

viking01 on February 4, 2016 at 10:18 PM

O.K. WTH, I’ll play along.

Whiskey bottles and Wiped servers…pantsuit, you’re in my way..

there’s too much Huma..too many Tacos…look what’s going
on inside you!!

Oooooohh that SMELL!!

ToddPA on February 4, 2016 at 10:44 PM

Sweet – if only a GOPe on panel as hitting Flint, MI water issue!

Totally Dem owned, but that will NEVER come out here.

smokeyblonde on February 4, 2016 at 10:44 PM

OK – Just WTF does a president have to do with a municipal water supply? Especially when the PRESIDENT’S EPA is partially responsible for the crisis?

AND .. let us not forget who ruled Flint and Michigan in general when this decision was made!

Bloody amazing …

smokeyblonde on February 4, 2016 at 10:46 PM

Hello! Tim McVeigh was killed in a prison shower, not by the State!

smokeyblonde on February 4, 2016 at 10:41 PM

One in the same in her world.

Deadeye on February 4, 2016 at 10:46 PM

Sanders: Very protectionist of US workers! Feelin’ the Bern! :)

smokeyblonde on February 4, 2016 at 10:50 PM

If they try to rule against Hillary
she can just appeal to the Florida Supreme Court.

halfbaked on February 4, 2016 at 10:51 PM

Hello! Tim McVeigh was killed in a prison shower, not by the State!

smokeyblonde on February 4, 2016 at 10:41 PM

One in the same in her world.

Deadeye on February 4, 2016 at 10:46 PM

But Gen Pop was McVeigh’s decision, not the States. Would that be a form of “suicide by cop” since a cop is an agent of the state?

smokeyblonde on February 4, 2016 at 10:52 PM

<blockquotesmokeyblonde on February 4, 2016 at 10:52 PM

Just noting that Clintons have a reputation among many for reaching out and “touching” someone.

Deadeye on February 4, 2016 at 10:58 PM

Immigration or Gun Control or Income Inequality: which is most important

Hillary: talk with Congress on alt energy and immigration and health care and family leave and health care. No answer from Hillary! – jusr “have to work with congress”.

Sanders: Comprehensive immigration reform (amnesty). Campaign finance reform. Overturn Citizen United SCOTUS decision via SCOTUS appointees.

Sanders wants protests on South Lawn protesting Congress.

smokeyblonde on February 4, 2016 at 10:59 PM

BTW smokeyblonde is the debate of the reprobates over or did you reach the limits of your endurance?
Appreciate your posts.

Deadeye on February 4, 2016 at 11:01 PM

Hillary: Will not eliminate nor create new agencies. Basically: remove waste and fraud.

Sanders: blah blah blah

Hillary: “with us every step of the way”

aka Buying the Votes … lovely

smokeyblonde on February 4, 2016 at 11:02 PM

OK – Just WTF is Bernie doing sucking up to Hillary!?!

smokeyblonde on February 4, 2016 at 11:02 PM

God just shot me for for not only watching but completely hijacking this thread!

Now where is the official QoTD?

smokeyblonde on February 4, 2016 at 11:04 PM

Sanders: Loves this country?!? Really?!? Could have fooled me as DoI and Constitution are an anathema to Socialism.

smokeyblonde on February 4, 2016 at 11:06 PM

I’m surprised those two didn’t go running to the bathroom.

newportmike on February 4, 2016 at 11:09 PM

I’m surprised those two didn’t go running to the bathroom.

newportmike on February 4, 2016 at 11:09 PM

Maybe bathrooms closer than last debate?

Or unlimited supply of Depends on hand?

smokeyblonde on February 4, 2016 at 11:10 PM

Try watching the debate on the radio with the sound turned down. So peaceful.

Deadeye on February 4, 2016 at 11:12 PM

Try watching the debate on the radio with the sound turned down. So peaceful.

Deadeye on February 4, 2016 at 11:12 PM

I was trying to capture the innate “b!tch” expression as not good at it (people at work call me Mary Poppins, for God’s sake – really?!?)

smokeyblonde on February 4, 2016 at 11:18 PM

Now where is the official QoTD?

smokeyblonde on February 4, 2016 at 11:04 PM

It only appears once the beer goggles are donned. Ever time Clinton says “I” or “me” take a swig.

Difficultas_Est_Imperium on February 4, 2016 at 11:20 PM

Supercalifragilisticexpialidocious

Deadeye on February 4, 2016 at 11:26 PM

QOTD was replaced by a thread on latest NH polls. Has now morphed in to discussion about cheese.

Deadeye on February 4, 2016 at 11:28 PM

It only appears once the beer goggles are donned. Ever time Clinton says “I” or “me” take a swig.

Difficultas_Est_Imperium on February 4, 2016 at 11:20 PM

Am there, doing that and still at a loss .. but then, never got the EverClear requested an hour ago! :)

smokeyblonde on February 4, 2016 at 11:28 PM

Am there, doing that and still at a loss .. but then, never got the EverClear requested an hour ago! :)

smokeyblonde on February 4, 2016 at 11:28 PM

Everything tastes like Everclear if you just keep going. That is to say, so numb everything goes flavorless.

Difficultas_Est_Imperium on February 4, 2016 at 11:31 PM

It only appears once the beer goggles are donned. Ever time Clinton says “I” or “me” take a swig.
Difficultas_Est_Imperium on February 4, 2016 at 11:20 PM

She’s still an amateur compared to O in that regard.

Exception: “You’re likable enough, Hillary.”

Marcola on February 4, 2016 at 11:33 PM

Hillary- “I’m good enough, I’m smart enough, and doggone it, people like me.”

Deadeye on February 4, 2016 at 11:38 PM

My good Lord but absolutely not enough alcohol in the universe to vote her Hillary or a GOPe.

smokeyblonde on February 4, 2016 at 11:41 PM

My good Lord but absolutely not enough alcohol in the universe to vote her Hillary or a GOPe.

smokeyblonde on February 4, 2016 at 11:41 PM

When pickled, vote for Super Pickle!

Difficultas_Est_Imperium on February 4, 2016 at 11:55 PM

Some news website had a different number of precincts decided by coin toss with Sanders winning some.

Is there anything close to an official answer?

talkingpoints
on February 4, 2016 at 8:16 PM

I saw video of one precinct flipping a coin earlier on Iowa Caucus night that Bernie won.

I can’t remember the location of this coin toss.

I was following the #IowaCaucus Twitter feed on caucus night, so you could probably find the Sanders coin flip victory there.

I assume the 6 Hillary coin flips must have been at end of the evening when Hillary and Bernie were apart by .02% and everybody was anxiously awaiting reports from the last few precincts.

wren on February 5, 2016 at 12:00 AM

1) Neither Cruz or his people (or Rubio) created the “lie”, nor were they aware that the information was incorrect.

2) Any candidate that does not make use of available information that helps his campaign, is a fool (see Trump).

3) What’s lacking in morality and character is spreading the notion that Cruz (or Rubio) created, and then knowingly, spread a lie.

CNN created the news item, any issue of it’s accuracy should be directed towards them.


Oxymoron
on February 4, 2016 at 8:58 PM

I absolutely agree, Oxymoron!

Anybody (even if you don’t have a Twitter account) can review the #IowaCaucus Twitter feed to see the timing of the tweets from this whole episode.
https://twitter.com/hashtag/iowacaucus?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Ehashtag

When I saw the original CNN tweet, I couldn’t believe how long it took for other campaigns to respond with tweets about the very relevant and accurate info about Carson’s plans to go to Florida rather than New Hampshire or even South Carolina.

In this world of instant Tweets, a ton of people following the caucus in Iowa had already seen the CNN tweet long before Ted Cruz’s campaign tweeted about it.

wren on February 5, 2016 at 12:12 AM

Must say … the very words used by Sanders is educational in and of itself.

Learning tons regarding differences between Moderates and Progressives and Conservatives …

smokeyblonde
on February 4, 2016 at 9:17 PM

THANK YOU for covering the Democrat Debate on this thread, Smokeyblonde!

I searched in vain for a debate thread here during the debate and didn’t find you until after it ended.

I ended up splitting my screen with the debate threads over at FreeRepublic.com which were quite funny.

Just wanted to let you know you were not alone in watching the debate. We must know our competition! And I agree this debate provided a great education! Sanders is not kidding when he says he wants a “political revolution.”

See you online on Saturday during the GOP debate!

wren on February 5, 2016 at 12:27 AM

Put Iowa dead last if they retain their stupid caucus system. Washington state, too.

HiJack on February 5, 2016 at 1:16 AM

I absolutely agree, Oxymoron!

Anybody (even if you don’t have a Twitter account) can review the #IowaCaucus Twitter feed to see the timing of the tweets from this whole episode.
https://twitter.com/hashtag/iowacaucus?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Ehashtag

When I saw the original CNN tweet, I couldn’t believe how long it took for other campaigns to respond with tweets about the very relevant and accurate info about Carson’s plans to go to Florida rather than New Hampshire or even South Carolina.

In this world of instant Tweets, a ton of people following the caucus in Iowa had already seen the CNN tweet long before Ted Cruz’s campaign tweeted about it.

wren on February 5, 2016 at 12:12 AM

Basically Cruz was the only one with the ground organization and preparation in place to make effective use of last minute breaking news information.

Trump and anyone else complaining about it is just sour grapes because they were not prepared to do the same. We all know he’s not morally above doing so.

If Carson’s team had been paying attention and was robust enough, he could’ve done more to nip the whole thing in the bud.

Even Rubio’s team had started spreading the info (later scrubbed) but he too was not in a position to take full advantage of it.

To me the whole episode speaks volumes regarding organizational skills and preparedness when it comes to the 4 candidates mentioned. The rest were just asleep at the wheel.

Oxymoron on February 5, 2016 at 1:33 AM

Utah has a caucus system that the powers that be are pushing very, very hard to change into a primary system.

Why? Because the Powers that Be are GOPe and the caucuses are where the Tea Party strength comes from. It’s why Mike Lee rather than Bob Bennett is in the Senate; Lee upset Bennett and took him out in the Caucuses. So now we’ve had a sustained push to eliminate the system and move to a Primary system where the local Democrat party can send their voters to. Perfectly fine with the GOPe.

Miraculously, the Republican party of Utah is fighting the changes and trying to preserve the grass roots caucus system.

Ed’s take on letting Ron Paul people organize and take over the convention is well taken, but that just means that conservatives have to, you know, show up and prevent the Luap Nor revolution.

Vanceone on February 5, 2016 at 1:01 PM