“By their fruit you will know them”: Ben Carson slams Team Cruz for deceit in Iowa — sort of

posted at 6:01 pm on February 3, 2016 by Allahpundit

What was the point of this press conference? When the statement announcing it went live online earlier, citing “deceptive Iowa caucus tactics” and referencing the Sermon on the Mount, everyone took it as a sign that Carson was about to parachute into the Trump/Cruz war over supposed “fraud” on caucus night and start tossing grenades. Watch Carson’s opening statement, though, which begins at around 1:40 of the clip, and you’ll find him … refusing to mention Cruz by name. Aren’t you talking about Ted Cruz here, ask the reporters? I’m speaking generally, Carson insists — we all need to be better, not any particular individual. It goes on that way for another 10 minutes, an unintentional self-parody of Carson as the “healer” who’s trying so hard to set a we’re-all-sinners moral example that he won’t specifically accuse anyone even when he thinks he’s been personally wronged.

His surrogates sure will, though:

Carson’s close friend and adviser Armstrong Williams told The Hill in an interview on Wednesdaythat the Cruz campaign’s tactics were “nasty, brutal and deceitful.”

“We’ve been told all along that Cruz’s operatives play dirty and were capable of this stuff, but Dr. Carson never believed it, he felt like they had a respectable operation,” Williams said. “Now we see firsthand that having integrity just doesn’t matter to them. It’s about honor and character, either you have it or you don’t.”…

“He’s a pure politician and will do anything to win,” Williams said. “It doesn’t matter who he does it to, friend or foe, whatever it takes to win. Cruz has been running as an outsider and calling Hillary Clinton dishonest. Well, Cruz is the one running without honor or integrity, and this shows he’s just like everyone else inside-the-beltway.”…

“After all the candidates worked so hard, and Dr. Ben Carson had a staff member lose his life working towards this day, to have someone like Cruz and his people deceive and spread falsehoods is unconscionable,” Williams said.

If that had come from Carson at the podium here, the media would be on fire right now. It would suggest a Trump/Carson alliance against Cruz, which won’t matter in New Hampshire but could matter in South Carolina. Instead it’s 15 minutes of cat and mouse about the Cruz campaign having circulated a Carson staffer’s announcement during the caucus that he was leaving the trail after voting ended to suggest that Carson was dropping out. About as far as he’ll go is to say that if someone passed along bad information, perhaps the candidate who that someone answers to — a.k.a. Ted Cruz — should take corrective action by firing people. Which, interestingly, led to this exchange at around 11:25 and noted by Leon Wolf:

Reporter: Do you regret, uh, announcing that that you were going to be going back to Florida and spurring some of this confusion?

Carson: Well, I didn’t make that announcement. Uh, I guess somebody talked to … other people…

Reporter: Well, your campaign told the press.

Carson: You know, *I* didn’t say it, so don’t blame me. [laughing]

Reporter: But you’re here telling us that people should know what’s going on in their campaign and hold people accountable, I mean that’s [crosstalk]

Carson: Well, let me ask you this question, is it okay after being on the road for after three weeks to go home to Florida and get a fresh change of cloths? Or is that a problem? Does that make someone into an evil, horrible person?

A Carson staffer whispered something that shouldn’t have leaked to CNN, a CNN reporter tweeted it, then Team Cruz drew an inference and beamed it out — and Cruz is the only candidate here who has trouble controlling his staff? Huh. And here’s double huh:

Yeah, remember that? Trump helped destroy Carson with attacks like that in November. Carson slid from 29 percent in RCP’s Iowa average on November 1 to 10 percent before Christmas and settled at high single digits for the final five weeks of the campaign. Arguably Trump did a better job of sinking Carson’s campaign by questioning whether he might be deranged than he did with the “low energy” attacks on Jeb Bush. Yet here’s Carson ignoring all that and zeroing in on an erroneous bulletin that the Carson campaign itself quickly corrected on caucus night. What’s the game here? Just trying to claw back some social conservative voters from Cruz before South Carolina? Eager to regain a foothold in the media?

Here’s some back-of-the-envelope math based on Carson finishing with 17,000+ votes on caucus night. If you assume, implausibly, that thousands of Carson supporters peeled off at the last second due to the erroneous bulletin about him dropping out, and if you further assume that those voters split 50 percent for Cruz, 25 percent for Trump, and 25 percent for Rubio and others, you’d need to believe that something like 24,000 Carson voters abandoned him at the last second to generate the 6,000-vote margin over Trump that Cruz ended up with. That is to say, you’d need to believe that Ben Carson’s “true” support in Iowa was something like 41,000 votes total — which would have put him neck and neck with Rubio for third place at around 22-23 percent. Carson’s final polling average in Iowa was 7.7 percent. He would, in other words, have had to nearly triple his expected take to make the “Cruz won because of the Carson bulletin” theory tenable. As bad as the polls were, none of them missed Cruz’s, Trump’s, or Rubio’s vote totals by anything close to that amount. Rubio did six points better than expected, Cruz did not quite four points better than expected, and Trump did nearly five points worse. Carson isn’t claiming that Cruz won because of him, do note, but that’s the theory that’s floating around in some quarters online today. It doesn’t fly. The best you can do here to indict Cruz is to claim, without hard evidence, that Carson would have finished several points higher if not for the bulletin, which would have left him better positioned in South Carolina than he currently is. Although even there, he’ll be on the far outside looking in at what’s likely to be a three-man race among an electorate that’s voting strategically.


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There Goes the Neighborhood on February 3, 2016 at 10:44 PM

Dr. Carson probably also made a calculated judgement not to name names because he could count on Trump to do it.

Cindy Munford on February 3, 2016 at 10:56 PM

Rove, not a Trump fan by any means,he wants a Trump/Cruz fight so Rubio can win.
btw.

Trump supporter: “Ted Cruz is a nasty, lying, cheating sleazebag!”
Cruz supporter: “I know! Isn’t he great?”

will13smith on February 3, 2016 at 10:56 PM

An aggressive team on the ground went after votes. A credible news source indicated that he may be dropping out. At the least going home right before the NH Primary. Any campaign worth its salt goes after those voters. If Trump did it you would be crowing. You don’t wear the righteous indignation well.

KCB on February 3, 2016 at 10:55 PM

+1000

melle1228 on February 3, 2016 at 10:56 PM

Reporter: Do you regret, uh, announcing that that you were going to be going back to Florida and spurring some of this confusion?

Carson: Well, I didn’t make that announcement. Uh, I guess somebody talked to … other people…

Reporter: Well, your campaign told the press.

Carson: You know, *I* didn’t say it, so don’t blame me. [laughing]

Reporter: But you’re here telling us that people should know what’s going on in their campaign and hold people accountable, I mean that’s [crosstalk]

Done. That’s where the story ends. It’s blatant hypocrisy to fault Cruz when you yourself will admit that a candidate shouldn’t be blamed for something that a staffer/aide put out. It’s whining and sore-loser behavior, which, to be fair, was egged on by thin-skinned Trump and his fragile ego. CNN put that rumor out there, and it came from a poorly-worded “announcement” from Carson’s campaign.

Aizen on February 3, 2016 at 6:29 PM

Very good point. If Carson can say it’s not his fault a staffer put out the wrong information, then he can’t blame Cruz for a staffer putting out the wrong information.

There Goes the Neighborhood on February 3, 2016 at 10:57 PM

I’m glad you are stating what you’ve been peddling.

NWConservative on February 3, 2016 at 10:50 PM

Don’t misunderstand. I was saying Bullshit to you. Just so we are clear.

KCB on February 3, 2016 at 10:57 PM

He never said he was dropping out.

Making a big announcement, taking time off, and asking people to let Carson supporters know is exactly what it means, he’s dropping from the race. Because almost every Cruz speaker took it that way. Stop playing stupid after the fact.

He said he was taking a break (see Chris Moody’s tweet that Carson was not going to SC or NH). He then asked people to vote for him in Carson’s place.
melle1228 on February 3, 2016 at 10:48 PM

And they never issued the follow up statement that he was not dropping from the race, so their supporters went into the caucuses armed with the knowledge that Carson is dropping.

NWConservative on February 3, 2016 at 10:58 PM

The evidence is that the Rubio was pushing this hard, but they mostly deleted the evidence.

But that might make Rubes uncomfortable. Especially if they think about what a corrupt operation it takes to do that.

widget on February 3, 2016 at 10:54 PM

Um. who apologized for it?

forgot to bid on February 3, 2016 at 10:58 PM

Now Carson can’t dr out for awhile or he looks like a COMPLETE fool….

By the way did he nod off during the Presser?

PappyD61 on February 3, 2016 at 10:58 PM

An aggressive team on the ground went after votes. A credible news source indicated that he may be dropping out.

CNN never stated that.

If Trump did it you would be crowing. You don’t wear the righteous indignation well.

KCB on February 3, 2016 at 10:55 PM

“MOMMY, MOMMY, THEY DID IT TOO!!”

NWConservative on February 3, 2016 at 11:00 PM

I don’t usually call out other posters on here but……

It’s tempting.

PappyD61 on February 3, 2016 at 11:02 PM

And they never issued the follow up statement that he was not dropping from the race, so their supporters went into the caucuses armed with the knowledge that Carson is dropping.

NWConservative on February 3, 2016 at 10:58 PM

Carson’s job. And I like him. His campaign made the mistake. His Campaign needed to clean it up. I have yet to see evidence that they didn’t. I see no harm in the numbers.

KCB on February 3, 2016 at 11:02 PM

It may be a case of all’s fair in love and war, and I would not complain about it because politics is itself unfair, but it does show that Cruz is a Nixonian creep, and not the good boy Christ follower that his supporters like to say he is.

He is as greasy on the inside as he is on the outside.

HugoDrax on February 3, 2016 at 6:47 PM

And yet you’re supporting Trump.

There Goes the Neighborhood on February 3, 2016 at 11:02 PM

Rove, not a Trump fan by any means,he wants a Trump/Cruz fight so Rubio can win.
btw.

Trump supporter: “Ted Cruz is a nasty, lying, cheating sleazebag!”
Cruz supporter: “I know! Isn’t he great?”

will13smith on February 3, 2016 at 10:56 PM

Yeah, we won’t fight for conservative principles anymore.

Dirty campaigning, excuse making, blame shifting, and general sleazbaggery is where it’s at now.

NWConservative on February 3, 2016 at 11:03 PM

MOMMY, MOMMY, THEY DID IT TOO!!”

NWConservative on February 3, 2016 at 11:00 PM

Are you a child?

KCB on February 3, 2016 at 11:04 PM

Trump supporter: “Ted Cruz is a nasty, lying, cheating sleazebag!”
Cruz supporter: “I know! Isn’t he great?”

will13smith on February 3, 2016 at 11:04 PM

And they never issued the follow up statement that he was not dropping from the race, so their supporters went into the caucuses armed with the knowledge that Carson is dropping.

NWConservative on February 3, 2016 at 10:58 PM

So what? Why should they. Carson’s campaign screwed the pooch, and CNN ran with the misunderstanding. Not Cruz’s camp resp. to clear up the miscommunication. Carson’s camp should have.

melle1228 on February 3, 2016 at 11:04 PM

Don’t misunderstand. I was saying Bullshit to you. Just so we are clear.

KCB on February 3, 2016 at 10:57 PM

Just to be clear, you’re up to your neck in it and topped it off with Kool-aid.

NWConservative on February 3, 2016 at 11:05 PM

Yeah, we won’t fight for conservative principles anymore.

Dirty campaigning, excuse making, blame shifting, and general sleazbaggery is where it’s at now.

NWConservative on February 3, 2016 at 11:03 PM

C’mon, you are better than that. You know darn well that Trump has been the poster boy for fighting dirty.

melle1228 on February 3, 2016 at 11:05 PM

Sorry, but as a conservative, I’m getting sick and tired of having the moral high ground argument shoved in my face while my country burns down. We’re always supposed to be better, more moral, nicer, gentler, whatever, because many of us are Christians or something; meanwhile, America whimpers into soft socialism and our leaders cower because they want to be nice and reasonable. I’m sick of it. What the heck did being nice ever get us? Trillions more in debt. Sorry, nice guys finish last. Didn’t Romney teach anyone that? This isn’t beanbag. Carson needs to stop whining and go home. If he can’t handle this little dustup, Hillary would slice him, dice him, and eat him for lunch the first time they square off. Crus is a fighter, and I like it. No more Mr. Nice Guy.

idalily on February 3, 2016 at 7:38 PM
He should stop holding prayer meetings with voters and proclaiming “To God be the glory” if he’s going to lie and threaten voters.

Blessed Assurrrrrrranccce, Jesus is Miiiiiiiinnne…

fossten on February 3, 2016 at 7:53 PM

And if Cruz lied to people you might have a point, but he didn’t, so you don’t.

idalily on February 3, 2016 at 11:05 PM

Just to be clear, you’re up to your neck in it and topped it off with Kool-aid.

NWConservative on February 3, 2016 at 11:05 PM

I have no response to that..

KCB on February 3, 2016 at 11:07 PM

Carson’s job. And I like him. His campaign made the mistake. His Campaign needed to clean it up. I have yet to see evidence that they didn’t.

Your God decided to twist words and outright lie about Carson dropping out. And so you blame the victim.

I see no harm in the numbers.

KCB on February 3, 2016 at 11:02 PM

And you know this because you peeked into the alternate reality where Carson didn’t get spiked.

NWConservative on February 3, 2016 at 11:10 PM

KCB on February 3, 2016 at 11:07 PM

What’s weird is the Cruz has been the only person to apologize.

Cindy Munford on February 3, 2016 at 11:10 PM

Remember like 48 hours ago when the Cruz folks were spiking the football and trying to dab like they were Cam Newton? And 48 hours later he’s a disaster.

Actually, since the moment Megyn Kelly said he was the winner it’s kind of been a disaster for Cruz. Rubio stole the spotlight, Trump showed the power of brevity, Cruz made a horrible long speech, Allah got totally plowed and posted waiting for the speech to end, Drudge shifted focus, Carson news started flying, Cruz started apologizing, Trump started tweeting, Rubio won accolades as the real winner, Trump took control anyways and Cruz, like he does in the Senate, has done nothing of value since he made a speech.

Glenn Beck is probably so mad.

forgot to bid on February 3, 2016 at 11:10 PM

And Dr. Carson doesn’t see how his folks could have been misundertood? I imagine that he thought Iowa was going to be his best chance at winning but he had fallen the polls and Donald Trump, for goodness sakes, was winning by a lot in the polls.

Cindy Munford on February 3, 2016 at 11:13 PM

Oh, please. The stupid move was on CARSON, not Cruz. He was weak and indecisive and unclear. He paid the price. Now he wants to blame the man who outmaneuvered him. Wah, wah, wah. He’s a whiner. Given what’s going on in the world, we need a street fighter, not a namby-pamby whiner.

idalily on February 3, 2016 at 9:08 PM
Yes. OWN this.

NWConservative on February 3, 2016 at 9:24 PM

I will, loud and proud, NW”Conservative”.

idalily on February 3, 2016 at 11:13 PM

Now while Huckabee and Santorum crashed after winning Iowa, nobody that I can think of has crashed after winning Iowa as hard as Cruz has.

forgot to bid on February 3, 2016 at 11:14 PM

What’s weird is the Cruz has been the only person to apologize.

Cindy Munford on February 3, 2016 at 11:10 PM

Yeah he actually called Ben Carson personally, and Ben Carson asked him to do it publically; and he complied with his request.

melle1228 on February 3, 2016 at 11:15 PM

So what? Why should they. Carson’s campaign screwed the pooch, and CNN ran with the misunderstanding. Not Cruz’s camp resp. to clear up the miscommunication. Carson’s camp should have.

melle1228 on February 3, 2016 at 11:04 PM

CNN never said he was dropping out, Cruz did. Cruz maliciously lied to manipulate voters.

NWConservative on February 3, 2016 at 11:15 PM

CNN never said he was dropping out, Cruz did. Cruz maliciously lied to manipulate voters.

NWConservative on February 3, 2016 at 11:15 PM

Cruz did not. He letter said he was “taking a break.” Totally in line with Moody’s tweet that he was skipping NH & SC.

melle1228 on February 3, 2016 at 11:19 PM

C’mon, you are better than that. You know darn well that Trump has been the poster boy for fighting dirty.

melle1228 on February 3, 2016 at 11:05 PM

He does it himself. Ted Cruz praises God while telling his supporters to stab Ben Carson in the back, manipulate, and threaten voters.

Name calling is petty BS to what Cruz did.

NWConservative on February 3, 2016 at 11:19 PM

melle1228 on February 3, 2016 at 11:15 PM

If Trump wins the nomination I will vote for him but it will be, as it was always going to be, a vote against the Republican party. At best, he will like being president enough not to break all his promises in the first four years. After that, all bets are off.

Cindy Munford on February 3, 2016 at 11:20 PM

Yeah he actually called Ben Carson personally, and Ben Carson asked him to do it publically; and he complied with his request.

melle1228 on February 3, 2016 at 11:15 PM

That’s why Cruz got BusTed. They were scared. They saw the entrance polls and reacted.

Still, fwiw, glad Trump didn’t win the Iowa curse.

forgot to bid on February 3, 2016 at 11:20 PM

If Trump wins the nomination I will vote for him but it will be, as it was always going to be, a vote against the Republican party. At best, he will like being president enough not to break all his promises in the first four years. After that, all bets are off.

Cindy Munford on February 3, 2016 at 11:20 PM

Not so sure. Jimmy Carter just said he wanted Donald Trump because he was mallable.

melle1228 on February 3, 2016 at 11:22 PM

Remember like 48 hours ago when the Cruz folks were spiking the football and trying to dab like they were Cam Newton? And 48 hours later he’s a disaster.

Actually, since the moment Megyn Kelly said he was the winner it’s kind of been a disaster for Cruz. Rubio stole the spotlight, Trump showed the power of brevity, Cruz made a horrible long speech, Allah got totally plowed and posted waiting for the speech to end, Drudge shifted focus, Carson news started flying, Cruz started apologizing, Trump started tweeting, Rubio won accolades as the real winner, Trump took control anyways and Cruz, like he does in the Senate, has done nothing of value since he made a speech.

Glenn Beck is probably so mad.

forgot to bid on February 3, 2016 at 11:10 PM

LOL.

That was great.

NWConservative on February 3, 2016 at 11:23 PM

nobody that I can think of has crashed after winning Iowa as hard as Cruz has.

Why because a handful of Trump supporters have their panties in a twist on the internet? Trumps whining about this has probably hurt him more then anything. But either way it’s isn’t all big of a deal.

lowandslow on February 3, 2016 at 11:23 PM

I will, loud and proud, NW”Conservative”.

idalily on February 3, 2016 at 11:13 PM

This.

KCB on February 3, 2016 at 11:24 PM

melle1228 on February 3, 2016 at 11:22 PM

I know but Congress doesn’t get you elected.

Cindy Munford on February 3, 2016 at 11:24 PM

Oh, please. The stupid move was on CARSON, not Cruz. He was weak and indecisive and unclear. He paid the price. Now he wants to blame the man who outmaneuvered him. Wah, wah, wah. He’s a whiner. Given what’s going on in the world, we need a street fighter, not a namby-pamby whiner.

idalily on February 3, 2016 at 9:08 PM

Yes. OWN this.

NWConservative on February 3, 2016 at 9:24 PM

I will, loud and proud, NW”Conservative”.

idalily on February 3, 2016 at 11:13 PM

I hope you do. Upholding the great Clinton tradition.

NWConservative on February 3, 2016 at 11:26 PM

But the bad half of the Cruz supporters are these misanthropic crazy people, and I really hate them. They don’t care about Rubio or illegal immigration, or even winning the presidency, they just care about attacking Trump.

Redstone on February 3, 2016 at 7:33 PM

This is true. The really nasty, evil ones were on here Monday night and Tuesday slinging profanities and saying truly vile things I won’t even repeat.

Kinda leaves a bad taste in your mouth.

Paperclips on February 3, 2016 at 7:35 PM

I only remember one who was being really obnoxious, and maybe one other who did a little gloating. I think if you really want to compare numbers, you’ll find there are more Trump supporters like that than Cruz supporters. There was certainly a lot of gloating about how Trump was going to walk away with Iowa, and how Cruz could never catch him, before the Iowa caucuses. That virtually guarantees retaliation when he turns out to lose solidly, and to barely hold Rubio to third place, who was thought to be a non-factor.

There Goes the Neighborhood on February 3, 2016 at 11:26 PM

This.

KCB on February 3, 2016 at 11:24 PM

The BS ensconced Kool-aid drinker concurs. LOL.

NWConservative on February 3, 2016 at 11:27 PM

I actually thought Trump took it too far with the Cruz is a nasty guy and nobody likes him. It didn’t seem plausible. I mean yeah he looks like a vampire on tv and yeah he still is a poltician but he is a professed Christian and so forth.

Then I started looking more into Cruz. Thinking back to the whole McConnell thing is a liar and how nobody rallied to his support. How Palin who helped him get elected chose Trump and said the choice was easy followed by the Iowa shenanigans and it makes me think Trumps remarks were not off the cuff but probably good intel and from a source that would be credible like a Sessions. Not to mention their weird Cruz initiated meeting at Trump plaza, Trump probably knows something.

So in the end, Trump was probably right from the beginning.

forgot to bid on February 3, 2016 at 11:29 PM

forgot to bid on February 3, 2016 at 11:10 PM
LOL.

That was great.

NWConservative on February 3, 2016 at 11:23 PM

Yeah nice work there.

Redstone on February 3, 2016 at 11:31 PM

The BS ensconced Kool-aid drinker concurs. LOL.

NWConservative on February 3, 2016 at 11:27 PM

You have the market on kool aid. Most Cruz guys I know hate Rubio. They want Trump to be their back up, but ass holes like you make it hard. Cultist. Trump has some good points and bad. Cultist.

KCB on February 3, 2016 at 11:33 PM

forgot to bid on February 3, 2016 at 11:29 PM

As long as he’s disliked by all the right people, it’s a feature not a bug. If you like D.C. as it is, Cruz is not your guy.

Cindy Munford on February 3, 2016 at 11:33 PM

forgot to bid on February 3, 2016 at 11:29 PM

Another great post.

People that should like Cruz don’t like him, for whatever reason. Palin, Mike Lee, Carson.

Only wacky Glenn Beck has endorsed him.

Redstone on February 3, 2016 at 11:34 PM

whatcat on February 3, 2016 at 7:44 PM

I don’t think this is a dirty trick and the Cruz campaign wasn’t the only people to misinterpret. If we are going to put the pure as the driven snow test on this or any election, we can all stay home in November.

Cindy Munford on February 3, 2016 at 7:47 PM

This is an important point. If Cruz played dirty politics, so did Rubio. And there are reports that Trump did the same. But we’re only hearing about Cruz.

I remember when Fred Thompson ran in 2008. I had high hopes for him. But he got in too late, and people were always pointing out that he didn’t seem to show the famous “fire in the belly” for the presidency. A lot of people argued that he had no business running for president if he wasn’t serious about it. And they argued you shouldn’t waste your vote on a guy who didn’t seem to be trying that hard.

So if Carson announces that he’s leaving the first caucus, going home for a couple of days, and going to the DC prayer breakfast before resuming the trail, I wouldn’t be a bit surprised to see campaign workers and caucus goers argue that you should vote for their candidate who was “in it for the long haul.” Which, I believe, was the substance of the direction given to the precinct captains.

The reason this is all about Cruz is that Cruz won. Just like the reason that Trump started attacking Cruz because of his eligibility “concern” was that Cruz was doing better in the polls, as Trump admitted.

There Goes the Neighborhood on February 3, 2016 at 11:35 PM

He does it himself. Ted Cruz praises God while telling his supporters to stab Ben Carson in the back, manipulate, and threaten voters.

Name calling is petty BS to what Cruz did.

NWConservative on February 3, 2016 at 11:19 PM

I know you won’t watch it, but this is the tip of trumpertantrum’s iceberg when it comes to his statements on Ben Carson when Carson was challenging in the polls in IOWA. Trump is a f*cking POS.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FI279UvRK9M

Garym on February 3, 2016 at 11:37 PM

Trump also hitting Cruz for being Canadian. Good rally so far. Crowd fired up.

Paperclips on February 3, 2016 at 7:59 PM

Someone left the irony on.

There Goes the Neighborhood on February 3, 2016 at 11:37 PM

There Goes the Neighborhood on February 3, 2016 at 11:35 PM

Exactly!

KCB on February 3, 2016 at 11:40 PM

The reason this is all about Cruz is that Cruz won. Just like the reason that Trump started attacking Cruz because of his eligibility “concern” was that Cruz was doing better in the polls, as Trump admitted.

There Goes the Neighborhood on February 3, 2016 at 11:35 PM

I know but ultimately it will hurt Cruz and elect Rubio. I thought this was the year we would finally make a change but we won’t. We’d rather stick with the devil we know. It’s depressing.

Cindy Munford on February 3, 2016 at 11:40 PM

As long as he’s disliked by all the right people, it’s a feature not a bug. If you like D.C. as it is, Cruz is not your guy.

Cindy Munford on February 3, 2016 at 11:33 PM

I feel the same way.

KCB on February 3, 2016 at 11:41 PM

Honestly guys, it’s pretty ridiculous for a Canadian anchor baby to come into our country and try to steal the election from a nice, gentle African American man like Dr. Carson.

How can anyone support this guy?

Paperclips on February 3, 2016 at 8:22 PM

Okay, this is really a parody account, right? Right?

There Goes the Neighborhood on February 3, 2016 at 11:42 PM

There Goes the Neighborhood on February 3, 2016 at 11:42 PM

Not a very funny one.

Cindy Munford on February 3, 2016 at 11:44 PM

I know but ultimately it will hurt Cruz and elect Rubio. I thought this was the year we would finally make a change but we won’t. We’d rather stick with the devil we know. It’s depressing.

Cindy Munford on February 3, 2016 at 11:40 PM

Trump and Cruz supporters should be able to unite to stop Rubio.

After Rubio there is no real GOPe threat and then the two can fight it out.

Redstone on February 3, 2016 at 11:49 PM

Oh Good Lord. Get a do over.

Cindy Munford on February 3, 2016 at 8:49 PM

I am making a list of every Cruz supporter who is making excusing his antics for later use. So where do you fall Cindy?

Uh oh, Cindy. You’re going on the list!

You’ll be sorry now!

Oh so now it’s election tampering? Where and what? Proof please?

bgibbs1000 on February 3, 2016 at 8:51 PM

He told his teams to lie about Carson in order to manipulate voters into voting for himself. People who were at the caucus were given fraudulent information.

Who knows what the result could have been if they, I don’t know, tried to win fair and square?

NWConservative on February 3, 2016 at 8:59 PM

Ooh! Another one on the list!

There Goes the Neighborhood on February 3, 2016 at 11:51 PM

Trump and Cruz supporters should be able to unite to stop Rubio.

After Rubio there is no real GOPe threat and then the two can fight it out.

Redstone on February 3, 2016 at 11:49 PM

That’s what I have been saying on and on and on. If TC takes out DT, or DT takes out TC, then we are stuck with Rubio, and all est. guns go blazing on TC or DT. Hell hath no fury like the establishment shills.

melle1228 on February 3, 2016 at 11:51 PM

Because not getting elected isn’t good enough for you? Nice.

Cindy Munford on February 3, 2016 at 9:02 PM

What are you talking about, their campaigns can burn in hell for manipulating voters. That election was so damn corrupt it’s not even funny.

This is the Iowa ballot:
http://media.breitbart.com/media/2016/02/Iowa-Caucus-Ballot-Michelle-Fields.jpg

The possibility for voter fraud is endless. There were thousands of voters at these locations. People on Twitter in Iowa said that they could have walked up and taken the form over and over again, there were so many people.

NWConservative on February 3, 2016 at 9:21 PM

I get this strange feeling that the supposed corruption wouldn’t have been noticed if Trump hadn’t lost….

There Goes the Neighborhood on February 3, 2016 at 11:56 PM

You have the market on kool aid. Most Cruz guys I know hate Rubio. They want Trump to be their back up, but ass holes like you make it hard. Cultist. Trump has some good points and bad. Cultist.

KCB on February 3, 2016 at 11:33 PM

Your support of lying to voters about another candidate to manipulate their votes is the very definition of a BS Kool-aid drinking cultist.

NWConservative on February 3, 2016 at 11:57 PM

I know you won’t watch it, but this is the tip of trumpertantrum’s iceberg when it comes to his statements on Ben Carson when Carson was challenging in the polls in IOWA. Trump is a f*cking POS.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FI279UvRK9M

Garym on February 3, 2016 at 11:37 PM

Ted Cruz praises God while telling his supporters to stab Ben Carson in the back, manipulate, and threaten voters and your whining about name calling.

NWConservative on February 3, 2016 at 11:59 PM

Since it’s a given that politicians are criminals, what does it matter at this point?

Besides Cruz already has one investigation to worry about:
Cruz Must Provide Information on 2012 Senate Loans, FEC Says

whatcat on February 3, 2016 at 9:42 PM

Campaign finance arcania. Yeah, that’ll sink him for sure.

There Goes the Neighborhood on February 3, 2016 at 11:59 PM

There Goes the Neighborhood on February 3, 2016 at 11:51 PM

I’ve always been up front about being a Cruz supporter but have never been anti-Trump. Think he has brought a lot to the table this election cycle in the form of voter dissatisfaction. But ultimately it looks like no lessons learned and the GOP will continue to keep enriching themselves on the backs of hardworking taxpayers. I am unlikely to lose any sleep over being on the list of any or every anonymous commenter on a blog. Although I am sure NWConservative is very scary.

Cindy Munford on February 4, 2016 at 12:01 AM

I get this strange feeling that the supposed corruption wouldn’t have been noticed if Trump hadn’t lost….

There Goes the Neighborhood on February 3, 2016 at 11:56 PM

BS.

NWConservative on February 4, 2016 at 12:02 AM

I’ve always been up front about being a Cruz supporter but have never been anti-Trump. Think he has brought a lot to the table this election cycle in the form of voter dissatisfaction. But ultimately it looks like no lessons learned and the GOP will continue to keep enriching themselves on the backs of hardworking taxpayers. I am unlikely to lose any sleep over being on the list of any or every anonymous commenter on a blog. Although I am sure NWConservative is very scary.

Cindy Munford on February 4, 2016 at 12:01 AM

Cruz could shoot someone in the street and Cruz supporters here would blame her for being there.

Just like they are attacking Carson for Cruz telling his people to lie about him dropping out.

NWConservative on February 4, 2016 at 12:05 AM

NWConservative on February 4, 2016 at 12:05 AM

Is there any possible way that you think you are convincing anyone other than Trump supporters of your argument? I am really sorry that the polls lied to you, I would have been happy if Trump had won Iowa as advertised. Maybe all your dreams will come true and Iowa’s AG will go after Cruz.

Cindy Munford on February 4, 2016 at 12:19 AM

They didn’t “slander” them. They made a calculated error based on erroneous CNN report. The pounced because it was the political thing to do. Remember me– all politicians are roaches. Politics is fair game.

melle1228 on February 3, 2016 at 10:38 PM

No. This is beyond the pale. Cruz’s campaign told their teams to lie about Ben Carson dropping out, even though it was clear that Carson was not and sent out a press release confirming it, they still had their people go along with it.

NWConservative on February 3, 2016 at 10:45 PM

For Cruz’s campaign to tell their teams to lie about Carson dropping out, you would have to know that a) they told them to lie, which would mean they told them that Carson was not dropping out, but to claim that he was b) that they knew Carson was not dropping out, and c) that they still spread the false information.

But what really happened was that Carson’s staff made an announcement that was widely interpreted as signaling he was about to throw in the towel, and that the Cruz campaign passed on that it looked like Carson was dropping out. Carson then sent out a clarification. The fact that he sent out a clarification proves that some people thought he was dropping out, and he had to clarify the record. It also means that the clarification was sent some time after the original report — in this case, after the caucuses had already started. So the only thing you can really rip the Cruz campaign for was not passing on that clarification to all their supporters.

Which is also what Cruz apologized for. I seriously doubt Trump would have apologized. Of course, mistakes were more likely to happen in the Cruz campaign, since he had more people working for him on the ground in Iowa, and more people means more potential errors.

Oh, and it was only clear that Carson was not dropping out after he sent out his clarification. His first complaint was that the media had the story wrong. If you want to claim the Cruz campaign made it all up, then you’re calling Carson a liar.

Unfortunately, this is politics, and the real reason this is getting so much play is that it’s a perfect chance for Trump, Rubio, and everyone else who doesn’t like Cruz to accuse Cruz of sleazy behavior. The story is being pushed primarily by the other campaigns and by the GOP establishment, even if they have to lie and exaggerate to make it sound worse than it was.

There Goes the Neighborhood on February 4, 2016 at 12:20 AM

Ted Cruz praises God while telling his supporters to stab Ben Carson in the back, manipulate, and threaten voters and your whining about name calling.

NWConservative on February 3, 2016 at 11:59 PM

*your*
Go to bed NW”Conservative” you’re drunk.

Garym on February 4, 2016 at 12:25 AM

Remember like 48 hours ago when the Cruz folks were spiking the football and trying to dab like they were Cam Newton?

Nope. I do remember Trump supporters expecting Trump to sweep Iowa, and then getting bent out of shape when he didn’t.

And 48 hours later he’s a disaster.

Don’t remember that either. I just see a whole bunch of accusations flying around. I do remember Trump claiming Cruz didn’t actually win, and that the vote should be nullified. That was kind of funny. I honestly didn’t think he would be that foolish.

Actually, since the moment Megyn Kelly said he was the winner it’s kind of been a disaster for Cruz. Rubio stole the spotlight, Trump showed the power of brevity, Cruz made a horrible long speech, Allah got totally plowed and posted waiting for the speech to end, Drudge shifted focus, Carson news started flying, Cruz started apologizing, Trump started tweeting, Rubio won accolades as the real winner, Trump took control anyways and Cruz, like he does in the Senate, has done nothing of value since he made a speech.

Glenn Beck is probably so mad.

forgot to bid on February 3, 2016 at 11:10 PM

There is an impressive level of bitterness in this. It’s almost like you are lashing out because Trump didn’t live up to expectations, and the only thing that will comfort you is to tear down Cruz and anyone who supported him.

But maybe I’m reading too much into it.

There Goes the Neighborhood on February 4, 2016 at 12:35 AM

There Goes the Neighborhood on February 4, 2016 at 12:35 AM

What I don’t understand is all this surprise that the polls were wrong. Haven’t they been wrong for the last few election cycles?

Cindy Munford on February 4, 2016 at 12:38 AM

C’mon, you are better than that. You know darn well that Trump has been the poster boy for fighting dirty.

melle1228 on February 3, 2016 at 11:05 PM

He does it himself. Ted Cruz praises God while telling his supporters to stab Ben Carson in the back, manipulate, and threaten voters.

Name calling is petty BS to what Cruz did.

NWConservative on February 3, 2016 at 11:19 PM

You’re not content to suggest Cruz lied, you add that he told all his supporters to lie, too. And not only did Cruz “stab Ben Carson in the back,” everyone who supports him, everyone who caucused for him in Iowa, did the same.

This is just incoherent. If Cruz was telling his supporters to lie, if he was telling them to “stab Carson in the back,” don’t you think a few would have refused to go along? Your accusations require every Cruz supporter to be a corrupt liar.

And Cruz “stabbing Ben Carson in the back” implies that Cruz somehow betrayed his trust. What trust did he betray? Or did you just choose the phrase “stab Ben Carson in the back” because it sounded so mean and treacherous?

There Goes the Neighborhood on February 4, 2016 at 12:43 AM

There Goes the Neighborhood on February 4, 2016 at 12:35 AM

What I don’t understand is all this surprise that the polls were wrong. Haven’t they been wrong for the last few election cycles?

Cindy Munford on February 4, 2016 at 12:38 AM

They’re usually wrong. I know I saw the polls suggesting Trump was going to run away with it, and decided that I really didn’t know how much to believe them, since they’re usually wrong.

It did look like there was substantial movement to Trump just before the caucuses, so I thought Trump might win after all. But I saw predictions from an expert in Iowa caucuses, and he suggested the polls were probably substantially wrong. So honestly, I figured the expert was probably right, and Cruz would probably win, but I wasn’t at all sure.

Everybody else seemed to think Trump was unbeatable. Trump was even bragging about how the GOP establishment was sucking up to him, and starting to move to the center as if he had effectively wrapped up the nomination. I knew that was premature, but I wasn’t at all sure he was wrong.

There Goes the Neighborhood on February 4, 2016 at 12:48 AM

Is there any possible way that you think you are convincing anyone other than Trump supporters of your argument?

I’m just validating that the conservative movement is about as morally bankrupt as the Democrats concerning their elections.

I am really sorry that the polls lied to you, I would have been happy if Trump had won Iowa as advertised. Maybe all your dreams will come true and Iowa’s AG will go after Cruz.

Cindy Munford on February 4, 2016 at 12:19 AM

I accepted the Cruz win on Monday and was going to move on. I came on to congratulate the Cruz people on their win and see the scorched earth comments from the Cruz people. And then the complete ignorance of what was going on with Rubio.

After finding out what he did, he tainted the results. He didn’t win fair and square, he only won by 6,000 votes. And then I get to see some of the very same Cruz people all day attacking Carson for expecting people to fight fair and not lie about him.

And then equivocate that name calling is the same thing as lying to and manipulating voters.

The true believers in the Cruz camp would blame the victim for being there if he shot someone.

NWConservative on February 4, 2016 at 12:52 AM

I actually thought Trump took it too far with the Cruz is a nasty guy and nobody likes him. It didn’t seem plausible. I mean yeah he looks like a vampire on tv and yeah he still is a poltician but he is a professed Christian and so forth.

Then I started looking more into Cruz. Thinking back to the whole McConnell thing is a liar and how nobody rallied to his support. How Palin who helped him get elected chose Trump and said the choice was easy followed by the Iowa shenanigans and it makes me think Trumps remarks were not off the cuff but probably good intel and from a source that would be credible like a Sessions. Not to mention their weird Cruz initiated meeting at Trump plaza, Trump probably knows something.

So in the end, Trump was probably right from the beginning.

forgot to bid on February 3, 2016 at 11:29 PM

Classic.

“So, as a Trump supporter, do you ever think Trump might be wrong?”

“Well, I did once. But then I realized he was right after all.”

There Goes the Neighborhood on February 4, 2016 at 12:53 AM

forgot to bid at 11:29m

Cruz called McConnell a liar because conservatives caught him with his hand in the cookie jar, and he was trying to divert. I’ve been on to this Cruz character for years. He followed the typical trajectory – run as real conservative, sell out during the term and then go back to conservative again at election time.

cimbri on February 4, 2016 at 12:54 AM

. I knew that was premature, but I wasn’t at all sure he was wrong.

There Goes the Neighborhood on February 4, 2016 at 12:48 AM

He’s not wrong. They want Rubio but will take Trump. And if the Democrats don’t get someone else in, they might buy into Trump also. Not out loud of course. I just don’t think Hillary or Bernie are going to get out the troops this time.

Cindy Munford on February 4, 2016 at 12:59 AM

I know but ultimately it will hurt Cruz and elect Rubio. I thought this was the year we would finally make a change but we won’t. We’d rather stick with the devil we know. It’s depressing.

Cindy Munford on February 3, 2016 at 11:40 PM

Yeah, you can’t really do the intense mud-slinging when there are still multiple candidates in the race. The one slinging mud and the one having it slung wind up taking each other out.

It happened to several candidates in 2012, leaving Romney to clean up. Romney slung mud too, but only by proxy, so it never got tied back to him.

In a three-way race, it’s very possible for the two leading candidates to destroy each other and watch while the other candidate comes from behind and cinches the win.

And in 2008, Huckabee and Romney supporters savaged each other, but John McCain got the nomination.

There Goes the Neighborhood on February 4, 2016 at 1:00 AM

You’re not content to suggest Cruz lied, you add that he told all his supporters to lie, too.

His campaign did. Yes. And there were several instances of them doing exactly that.

And not only did Cruz “stab Ben Carson in the back,” everyone who supports him, everyone who caucused for him in Iowa, did the same.

And I would like you to link that.

This is just incoherent.

Your conclusion is. But massaging the truth is a hallmark of the Cruz campaign isn’t it?

If Cruz was telling his supporters to lie, if he was telling them to “stab Carson in the back,” don’t you think a few would have refused to go along? Your accusations require every Cruz supporter to be a corrupt liar.

No it doesn’t and they all didn’t. But enough did that there have been several reports from precincts all over Iowa about this. Even from Carson’s wife.

And Cruz “stabbing Ben Carson in the back” implies that Cruz somehow betrayed his trust.

Yeah, he trusted that Cruz would ask his supporters to try to win on message and not on one that smears and twists another candidate’s words.

NWConservative on February 4, 2016 at 1:02 AM

Cruz called McConnell a liar because conservatives caught him with his hand in the cookie jar, and he was trying to divert. I’ve been on to this Cruz character for years. He followed the typical trajectory – run as real conservative, sell out during the term and then go back to conservative again at election time.

cimbri on February 4, 2016 at 12:54 AM

Cruz called it being a campaign conservative. Something he and Rubio know a lot about.

NWConservative on February 4, 2016 at 1:05 AM

forgot to bid on February 3, 2016 at 11:10 PM

forgot to bid on February 3, 2016 at 11:29 PM

Winner, winner, chicken dinner.

texacalirose on February 4, 2016 at 1:07 AM

You’re not content to suggest Cruz lied, you add that he told all his supporters to lie, too.

His campaign did. Yes. And there were several instances of them doing exactly that.

Repeating the charge doesn’t make it more true. I’ve seen exactly one claim that someone in the Cruz campaign said Carson was dropping out. I’ve also seen one claim that the supposed source of this lie, Steve King, made his whole presentation to the precinct without once mentioning Carson. Each of those is an anecdote. If you put the two of them together, you can’t even find a pattern.

And there was a tweet from a Rubio supporter saying that the Rubio campaign was pushing the same information. Strange that we only see the Cruz campaign being faulted.

And not only did Cruz “stab Ben Carson in the back,” everyone who supports him, everyone who caucused for him in Iowa, did the same.

And I would like you to link that.

That was your claim. Why would I have a link for it? But I believe you mentioned it here:

Ted Cruz praises God while telling his supporters to stab Ben Carson in the back, manipulate, and threaten voters and your whining about name calling.

NWConservative on February 3, 2016 at 11:59 PM

This is just incoherent.

Your conclusion is. But massaging the truth is a hallmark of the Cruz campaign isn’t it?

I notice you severed my conclusion from the paragraph supporting it, then accused me of massaging the truth, then claimed that was representative of the Cruz campaign.

On to the substance:

If Cruz was telling his supporters to lie, if he was telling them to “stab Carson in the back,” don’t you think a few would have refused to go along? Your accusations require every Cruz supporter to be a corrupt liar.

No it doesn’t and they all didn’t. But enough did that there have been several reports from precincts all over Iowa about this. Even from Carson’s wife.

Back to that singular anecdote.

And Cruz “stabbing Ben Carson in the back” implies that Cruz somehow betrayed his trust.

Yeah, he trusted that Cruz would ask his supporters to try to win on message and not on one that smears and twists another candidate’s words.

NWConservative on February 4, 2016 at 1:02 AM

Cruz and Carson are competitors, not colleagues sharing everything. You keep repeating that Cruz smeared and twisted Carson’s words, yet strangely a lot of people seemed to have the same understanding of what Carson’s staffer said.

And yet you’ve been arguing non-stop that Cruz may not be an American citizen, based on zero evidence, because he supposedly is hiding all his documentation, even though you can go online and find both Cruz’s birth certificate and his mother’s birth certificate.

It sounds like you’re just carrying Trump’s water while he tries to make the case that he was robbed of his rightful victory in Iowa.

There Goes the Neighborhood on February 4, 2016 at 1:17 AM

There Goes the Neighborhood on February 4, 2016 at 1:17 AM

Trump could have avoided all of this had he bothered to get a ground campaign organization. And then he wasn’t even smart enough to know that was his problem, he had to say right out loud that maybe he shouldn’t have skipped that debate. That, of course, reenforced Ms. Kelly’s belief that this whole election is about her. So this Carson thing, has really saved he day because now it’s not his fault he lost at all, Cruz stole it. From Carson. Make sense, right?

Cindy Munford on February 4, 2016 at 1:29 AM

There Goes the Neighborhood on February 4, 2016 at 1:17 AM

Trump could have avoided all of this had he bothered to get a ground campaign organization. And then he wasn’t even smart enough to know that was his problem, he had to say right out loud that maybe he shouldn’t have skipped that debate. That, of course, reenforced Ms. Kelly’s belief that this whole election is about her. So this Carson thing, has really saved he day because now it’s not his fault he lost at all, Cruz stole it. From Carson. Make sense, right?

Cindy Munford on February 4, 2016 at 1:29 AM

If Trump is a narcissist, it makes perfect sense. Nothing is ever his fault. He skips the final debate because he thinks he doesn’t need it. He holds a competing event, and claims that no one will watch the debate without him participating. He brags about how the GOP establishment is sucking up to him. Whenever someone gets close to him in the polls, he attacks. Ironically enough in this case, both Carson and Cruz, but at different times. He doesn’t bother trying to compete on the ground in Iowa.

Everything suggests a certain level of arrogance, and an assumption it would just all break his way. And the reaction after losing was the classic narcissist lashing-out reaction, complete with a demand for a do-over.

Of course, there’s the alternative theory: that he was never really serious about campaigning, and was just trying to run interference for Hillary. That’s too much of a conspiracy theory to suit me, but there are times I wonder why he’s not trying harder.

There Goes the Neighborhood on February 4, 2016 at 1:38 AM

There Goes the Neighborhood on February 4, 2016 at 1:38 AM

I could understand the lack of a ground game, rookie mistake. But why not just fix it and move on? I’m not a big fan of destroying people for fun and profit, no matter how embarrassed he is.

Cindy Munford on February 4, 2016 at 1:45 AM

Regarding the ground game and so on; guys, Trump got a lot of votes, but this is Cruz Country and he had a natural advantage. I 2nd guess myself too, when something doesn’t work out perfectly, but sometimes, it’s just not going to happen. Ground game, going to the debate etc probably wouldn’t have made any difference. He’s got 1 less delegate than Cruz and did it for a lot less money. Iowa is not worth it in the long run. We’ll see that soon enough.

cimbri on February 4, 2016 at 1:51 AM

cimbri on February 4, 2016 at 1:51 AM

I’m just saying that I think Trump could have won the state and it would have been YUGE given the make up of its citizens. Trump is selling himself as being a successful business man and instead of upping his game, he is demanding a do over. Doesn’t compute.

Cindy Munford on February 4, 2016 at 1:57 AM

He prob could have won it, but it’s the cost benefit analysis deal. I would have preferred he won, no doubt about it, but I’m not surprised at all. Cruz has been in Iowa for a long time, spent a lot of money there.

Cruz is being underestimated somewhat in these analyses that Trump could have pushed a button and won that state. Also Cruz may not go away as quickly as people think. Rubio isn’t Romney, he’s not as good a debater or organizer. All 3 guys will be in for a while.

cimbri on February 4, 2016 at 2:28 AM

Regarding the ground game and so on; guys, Trump got a lot of votes, but this is Cruz Country and he had a natural advantage. I 2nd guess myself too, when something doesn’t work out perfectly, but sometimes, it’s just not going to happen. Ground game, going to the debate etc probably wouldn’t have made any difference. He’s got 1 less delegate than Cruz and did it for a lot less money. Iowa is not worth it in the long run. We’ll see that soon enough.

cimbri on February 4, 2016 at 1:51 AM

That would be a sensible take on it. In practical terms, Iowa was not bad for Trump at all. Sure, he came in second, and it was a decisive second, but — he came in second. That may undercut the inevitability claims, but it’s not enough to stop him being the front-runner. And he’s well positioned to win in New Hampshire, which would offset the second-place finish in Iowa. If Cruz took second in New Hampshire, then Trump is still the front-runner based on polling. Cruz would have to beat Trump in New Hampshire to really take away Trump’s front-runner status — if then.

It was pumping up the expectations in Iowa and having egg on your face that made it look bad for Trump. Demanding a do-over was … odd, and did not make him look like a front-runner.

Ah well, it’s still early.

There Goes the Neighborhood on February 4, 2016 at 2:29 AM

KCB on February 3, 2016 at 10:55 PM

+1000

melle1228 on February 3, 2016 at 10:56 PM

+1000

Kenosha Kid on February 4, 2016 at 2:38 AM

Meh

Buh bye Dr Ben

cmsinaz on February 4, 2016 at 4:36 AM

“Well, I did once. But then I realized he was right after all.”

There Goes the Neighborhood on February 4, 2016 at 12:53 AM

Yep. Trump was right.

forgot to bid on February 4, 2016 at 8:26 AM

“Going to Florida for a fresh set of clothes”? I’m sure they have laundries in Iowa and NH, Dr., and you have someone on staff who knows how to use them. Life in the political fast lane is tough, get used to it if you’re staying in. Trump says he may sue Iowa for not voting for him. Maybe the voters in NH should pay attention.

Kissmygrits on February 4, 2016 at 9:05 AM

This campaign reminds me of back when my daughters were 8 or 9 and they would gossip and get into “little girl” arguments about who was fat, or ugly or who was liked or not liked by the cutest boy. All of the issues facing our nation today and our future leaders are arguing over something as silly as this. Damn disgusting.

Herb on February 4, 2016 at 9:30 AM

Cruz Must Provide Information on 2012 Senate Loans, FEC Says

whatcat on February 3, 2016 at 9:42 PM

Campaign finance arcania. Yeah, that’ll sink him for sure.

There Goes the Neighborhood on February 3, 2016 at 11:59 PM

You never know. I recall when the Watergate burglary was a Section C, page 14 , one paragraph news story.

whatcat on February 4, 2016 at 10:19 AM

This whole thing is Carson’s screwp-up.

The Carson staffer leaked information he should not have had. If you are asking people to come out in the snow to caucus for you, you don’t let it be known that you are taking the rest of the week off. If that was Carson’s plan, he should have kept that information very closely held.

Cruz’s people made a perfectly reasonable inference to a bizarre leak from the Carson camp.

gridlock2 on February 4, 2016 at 12:25 PM

It is altogether fitting that New Hampshire and the Super Bowl are falling in the same week. That way both the Sports and Political press can spend an entire week chasing around stupid stories that nobody cares about, because they are desperate to fill air-time and want to appear relevant.

gridlock2 on February 4, 2016 at 12:27 PM

I find all this talk about how Iowa did not hurt Donald Trump hilarious. Sure, he may survive his poor showing in Iowa, but that does not mean it did not hurt him. Kind of like President Obama saying we shouldn’t worry about ISIS because it is not an “existential threat to the United States”.

If you want to know how much Iowa hurt Donald Trump, look at the Delta. What is the difference between the stories that would have been written if Donald Trump had won Iowa, compared to what we are seeing this week?

If Trump had come in First in Iowa, we would be treated to a non-stop barrage of stories about how it is all over, that Trump will roll from Iowa, through New Hampshire, and into South Carolina, and that there is nothing anybody can do to stop him. Every other campaign would be feeling pressure to drop out, because Donald Trump would be inevitable. Instead, we are seeing a bunch of stories about Donald Trump whining about who leaked what to whom, and who reported on a CNN story in the caucus rooms in Iowa.

That is a big difference. It is YUUUUGE. Iowa hurt Donald Trump very badly.

gridlock2 on February 4, 2016 at 12:39 PM

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