Video: Hillary’s declaration of victory could still be a “disaster”

posted at 7:21 pm on February 2, 2016 by Ed Morrissey

Could Hillary Clinton wind up with egg on her face after her “victory” speech last night? The egg may have missed, but not for lack of trying by Hillary. She won six precincts on coin flips, and only hours later did Democrats confirm what Hillary claimed before all the votes were tabulated:

To declare victory on that basis is to heavily rely on the literal meaning of the term. It could have been worse, though, as today’s Morning Joe panel notes. Had the final tally gone the other direction, it would have been just another data point to add to Hillary’s “disingenuousness,” and evidence of her cluelessness (via the Free Beacon):

Scarborough criticized Clinton on Morning Joe for announcing that she won Iowa while the race was deadlocked between her and Sen. Bernie Sanders (I., Vt), with no clear victor.

“It seems to me,” Scarborough began, “if you’re Hillary Clinton and you have trouble with people trusting you, trusting your honesty, trusting your integrity, if you go out and declare something that you [Chuck Todd] and Brian Williams and everybody else on TV is saying is nonsense, and then you go out on the stage and you pretend that you have won and you hug everybody and you go, ‘Thank you. Oh boy, that was close,’ while the political gun is pointed like right at the middle of your campaign, doesn’t that feed into the already existing perception that she’s disingenuous at best?”

“That’s what made the decision to declare before the networks did so risky,” Todd said in response. “It would have been a disaster, though, had the numbers gone the other way.”

Todd also said that Iowa caucus officials could still be double-checking the results, and it still may be possible for Sanders to be declared the winner.

“I get why they – well, I don’t get why they [Hillary Clinton’s campaign] did it,” Todd added. “I guess they thought Sanders was going to hurry up and declare victory before them. That’s the only thing I could think of.”

It would have been this cycle’s Dean Scream. Given Hillary’s curiously shouted speech last night, it came close anyway.

The speech still could backfire on Hillary anyway.  Matt Lauer called Iowa a “near death experience for the once presumptive nominee”:

NBC’s First Read team calls this more of a loss than a win. One big reason — winning campaigns don’t start talking about shake-ups:

Yes, a win is a win for the Clinton campaign. And yes, that razor-thin margin points to Sanders’ limitations in states other than Iowa, New Hampshire and Vermont. But there are three reasons why this apparent victory for Clinton feels more like a loss. One, there’s already controversy, with the Sanders camp alleging that due to Iowa Democratic Party mismanagement, reports were late coming in from about 90 precincts, per NBC’s Danny Freeman. And in an interview with NBC’s Kasie Hunt, Sanders didn’t rule out challenging the results. Two, winning essentially by one vote (err, five state delegate equivalents) instead of 1 percentage point, denied Clinton the opportunity to use ANY win as momentum heading into New Hampshire, where Sanders enjoys a sizable lead.

And three, if you don’t want to take our word for it, here’s the attitude inside Clinton Land. “Clinton advisers … said they did not know if a significant staff shakeup was at hand, but they said that the Clintons were disappointed with Monday night’s result and wanted to ensure that her organization, political messaging and communications strategy were in better shape for the contests to come,” the New York Times writes.

On the other hand, how much damage can Hillary do to herself by being disingenuous? To quote a party leader … What difference, at this point, does it make?


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Shrill.

Neitherleftorright on February 2, 2016 at 7:27 PM

To declare victory on that basis is to heavily rely on the literal meaning of the term.

Kinda like what the meaning of “is” is.

bgoldman on February 2, 2016 at 7:28 PM

Imagine had Uncle Joe thrown in… he would already be sweeping to victory. It sucks to be clueless.

Neitherleftorright on February 2, 2016 at 7:29 PM

One article… Pretty much seals Clinton candidacy death.

Next article… Pretty much seals Sanders candidacy death.

Meh. Flip a coin.

/

mankai on February 2, 2016 at 7:29 PM

If there ever was reason for the MUTE button, she and her shrill voice is one.

Missilengr on February 2, 2016 at 7:31 PM

Hillary↓

Neitherleftorright on February 2, 2016 at 7:31 PM

On the other hand, how much damage can Hillary do to herself by being disingenuous?

.
Shrillary is losing ground with key demographics – in some cases it’s into the “sucking chest wound” category.

Add in that SHE’S the problem (i.e. a product that is actively degrading before buyers’s eyes) who CAN’T be told she’s the problem …

… and I have to fall back on my best judgment …

this election season is like Christmas every single day!

PolAgnostic on February 2, 2016 at 7:32 PM

Did you see ol Bill doddering in the background? He looked like he just had a stroke and he was mouthing the words to her speech. Weird.

Neitherleftorright on February 2, 2016 at 7:33 PM

“That’s what made the decision to declare before the networks did so risky,” [Chuck Todd] Todd said in response. “It would have been a disaster, though, had the numbers gone the other way.”

There’s absolutely zero risk doing this when one knows the fix is in. And as much of an idiot as Todd is, he knows this too …

ShainS on February 2, 2016 at 7:33 PM

ShainS on February 2, 2016 at 7:33 PM

The fix is in… until Valerie looses the hounds.

Neitherleftorright on February 2, 2016 at 7:34 PM

Did you see ol Bill doddering in the background? He looked like he just had a stroke and he was mouthing the words to her speech. Weird.

Neitherleftorright on February 2, 2016 at 7:33 PM

Over/Under on the age at which Chelsea was first raped by her “father”?

ShainS on February 2, 2016 at 7:35 PM

The Clintons were disappointed with Monday night’s result and wanted to ensure that her organization, political messaging and communications strategy were in better shape for the contests to come

Still no recognition that some voters might be turned off be her thousands of felonies, which is a problem that is not likely to be solved by staff changes.

talkingpoints on February 2, 2016 at 7:35 PM

Did you see ol Bill doddering in the background? He looked like he just had a stroke and he was mouthing the words to her speech. Weird.

Neitherleftorright on February 2, 2016 at 7:33 PM

Can you imagine the degree of syphilitic rot in his brain?

ShainS on February 2, 2016 at 7:36 PM

If the FBI recommends charging Hillary, will the NYT retract their endorsement?

talkingpoints on February 2, 2016 at 7:37 PM

Winning all six coin flips is only slightly more believable than turning $1000 into $100,000 via cattle futures the first and only time you do it.

rbj on February 2, 2016 at 7:37 PM

ShainS on February 2, 2016 at 7:36 PM

He’s a weird dude… no denying that.

Neitherleftorright on February 2, 2016 at 7:37 PM

Did they get actual results from the 90 late precincts?

Or did they just “estimate” the results?

talkingpoints on February 2, 2016 at 7:39 PM

How far this mighty nation has fallen that this dishrag is even in the mix.

Bishop on February 2, 2016 at 7:42 PM

this shows that hillary can be just as ‘regular’ as any of us
nonpartisan on April 13, 2015 at 11:10 PM

…get a good look America…there is your Power Couple…

…they wear it so well, don’t you think..??

Pelosi Schmelosi on February 2, 2016 at 7:44 PM

I’m looking forward to Hillary having the complete support of Federal prison guards.

This woman needs to be dressed in orange until the day she is dressed in black.

turfmann on February 2, 2016 at 7:51 PM

Bill looks like one slip in the shower will do it. I just hope it’s in some sleazy hotel.

docflash on February 2, 2016 at 7:52 PM

Hillary is so desperate to win this office that she’s bordering on the pathological.

grumpyank on February 2, 2016 at 7:53 PM

Bernie is the uncle at Thanksgiving railing about the Koch Brothers (or Obama) while everyone else is watching the Lions.

His policies are lunacy. Still, there’s an integrity about the guy that’s absent in a political whore like Hillary, who seems incapable of being generous in either thought or action.

bobs1196 on February 2, 2016 at 7:54 PM

“this shows that hillary can be just as ‘regular’ as any of us”

No, I think she needs a strong laxative.

grumpyank on February 2, 2016 at 7:55 PM

Over/Under on the age at which Chelsea was first raped by her “father”?

ShainS on February 2, 2016 at 7:35 PM

Charming.

Tlaloc on February 2, 2016 at 7:56 PM

Landslide Hillary, the great victor of Iowa.

grumpyank on February 2, 2016 at 7:58 PM

…obligatory…

And the counter argument is that an intern is not really an employee since they suffer no undue hardship from leaving their position.
Tlaloc on December 29, 2015 at 4:05 PM

*shrug*

Pelosi Schmelosi on February 2, 2016 at 8:04 PM

Yes, a win is a win for the Clinton campaign. And yes, that razor-thin margin points to Sanders’ limitations in states other than Iowa, New Hampshire and Vermont. But there are three reasons why this apparent victory for Clinton feels more like a loss.

..oh horsesh*t! This c*nt will start racking up her inevitable primary victories like Saddam Hussein or Joseph Stalin or Pajama Boy used to win 100% of their electorate and all these “journalists” will become simpering sycophants on the night of the Dem conventions when the balloons descend from the rafters and they coronate this tree-trunked harridan, this hunk of rotting whale afterbirth.

The mantra will be how she overcame adversity to make it as the first wimmenzes to be a nominated POTUS candidate and how marvelous and perfectly dreamy she will be as a chief executive and they will all be orgazumming in the press box.

Pass the paper bag; I need to throw up.

The War Planner on February 2, 2016 at 8:07 PM

Billy Jeff’s Parkinson’s is really bad. The video with her shrieking and him disappearing was almost sad.

batterup on February 2, 2016 at 8:09 PM

http://theweek.com/articles/602929/sorry-bernie-tie-iowa-still-win-hillary

Tlaloc on February 2, 2016 at 7:53 PM

Peter Weber
SENIOR EDITOR
Peter Weber is a senior editor at TheWeek.com, and has handled the editorial night shift since the website launched in 2008. A graduate of Northwestern University, Peter has worked at Facts on File and The New York Times Magazine. He speaks Spanish and Italian and plays bass and rhythm cello in an Austin rock band.

*snort*

Keep digging.

bigmacdaddy on February 2, 2016 at 8:11 PM

Hillary is so desperate to win this office that she’s bordering on the pathological.

grumpyank on February 2, 2016 at 7:53 PM

She’s pathological for telling the truth?

Oh-kay…

Tlaloc on February 2, 2016 at 8:12 PM

She has this sort of back-handed thrust that she used to use to dismiss Republicans. Now it’s creeping in all the time. Definitely some sort of tell.

VistaBrook on February 2, 2016 at 8:18 PM

*snort*

Keep digging.

bigmacdaddy on February 2, 2016 at 8:11 PM

So, uh, you think playing cello invalidates his argument. I kind of suspect you may be desperate…

Tlaloc on February 2, 2016 at 8:20 PM

She’s pathological for telling the truth?

Oh-kay…

Tlaloc on February 2, 2016 at 8:12 PM

please list the truths. I bet I can list 10 lies for every one of them. if you can manage to find even one.

wolly4321 on February 2, 2016 at 8:23 PM

please list the truths. I bet I can list 10 lies for every one of them. if you can manage to find even one.

wolly4321 on February 2, 2016 at 8:23 PM

The post is about her declaration of victory in Iowa, and in fact she did win the caucus.

Tlaloc on February 2, 2016 at 8:29 PM

Bubba looks like he is about to keep over any day now.

Cecil Corn on February 2, 2016 at 8:31 PM


This!

scookam on February 2, 2016 at 8:32 PM

She’s pathological for telling the truth?
Oh-kay…
Tlaloc on February 2, 2016 at 8:12 PM

No, dear. She’s pathological for telling lies when the truth would have done just as well.

Maddie on February 2, 2016 at 8:32 PM

No, dear. She’s pathological for telling lies when the truth would have done just as well.

Maddie on February 2, 2016 at 8:32 PM

…but she told the truth, which makes your statement nonsense.

Tlaloc on February 2, 2016 at 8:35 PM

that should be keel over any day now.

Cecil Corn on February 2, 2016 at 8:35 PM

The post is about her declaration of victory in Iowa, and in fact she did win the caucus.
Tlaloc on February 2, 2016 at 8:29 PM

The scam works better when you refrain from declaring victory before the votes have been stolen counted.

Maddie on February 2, 2016 at 8:35 PM

So, uh, you think playing cello invalidates his argument. I kind of suspect you may be desperate…

Tlaloc on February 2, 2016 at 8:20 PM

No, uh, I think his utter lack of experience in anything concrete invalidates his argument. The fact that he plays rhythm cello in a rock band just makes him a douchebag.

And you, for one, would know desperation.

bigmacdaddy on February 2, 2016 at 8:36 PM

…but she told the truth, which makes your statement nonsense.
Tlaloc on February 2, 2016 at 8:35 PM

Read my later comment. And a broken clock being right twice a day does NOT rise to the level of “truth.” Even if you discount her habitual self-serving dishonesty, the best you can say is that this was a prediction.

Maddie on February 2, 2016 at 8:38 PM

The scam works better when you refrain from declaring victory before the votes have been stolen counted.

Maddie on February 2, 2016 at 8:35 PM

If only people were able to project a winner once the overall pattern of the election is known…

Oh, wait, yeah they can.

Tlaloc on February 2, 2016 at 8:39 PM

…rack up another $3.50 towards the Brainloc GED fund…

Pelosi Schmelosi on February 2, 2016 at 8:45 PM

Read my later comment. And a broken clock being right twice a day does NOT rise to the level of “truth.” Even if you discount her habitual self-serving dishonesty, the best you can say is that this was a prediction.

Maddie on February 2, 2016 at 8:38 PM

Because math is magic!

Tlaloc on February 2, 2016 at 8:46 PM

If only people were able to project a winner once the overall pattern of the election is known…
Oh, wait, yeah they can.
Tlaloc on February 2, 2016 at 8:39 PM

If only people would familiarize themselves with statistics, regression analyses and statistical probability, including the fact that 6 coin flips do not constitute an “overall pattern of the election” and 0.2% falls within a margin of error.

Maddie on February 2, 2016 at 8:47 PM

The post is about her declaration of victory in Iowa, and in fact she did win the caucus.

Tlaloc on February 2, 2016 at 8:29 PM

.Did she?..

pull a quarter out of your pocket, & Flip ut 6x predicting the outcome. let me know when you guess right six times..

I’m afraid I have to call bullshit.

wolly4321 on February 2, 2016 at 8:47 PM

Because math is magic!
Tlaloc on February 2, 2016 at 8:46 PM

I’m sure it appears that way way to you, but trust me–the rest of us understand.

Maddie on February 2, 2016 at 8:48 PM

…rack up another $3.50 towards the Brainloc GED fund…

Pelosi Schmelosi on February 2, 2016 at 8:45 PM

.. $1.50, the sum of 6 quarters.

wolly4321 on February 2, 2016 at 8:50 PM

Why, this vote count fiasco could by morning transmogrify into a “hanging chad” situation, with the coins taking the place of the chads.

Oh how horrible that would be.

(Snicker, snicker)

FlameWarrior on February 2, 2016 at 8:51 PM

Slick Willy should be careful. She may need his death to garner a sympathy vote.

Deadeye on February 2, 2016 at 8:51 PM

The post is about her declaration of victory in Iowa, and in fact she did win the caucus.

Tlaloc on February 2, 2016 at 8:29 PM

Didn’t Bern call for a recount/actual vote totals?

Also, she still “lost.” Missus Clinton should have blown him out since she was up by like, 30(?) … way back when (while having just about every advantage you could imagine). That she didn’t win significantly enough is why you’re now seeing these Clinton apologists coming out of the woodwork. They know Missus Clinton failed to blunt Bern’s momentum and she’ll likely get blown out in New Hampshire as a result.

Aizen on February 2, 2016 at 8:53 PM

She’s a f*cking liar, but you know that already.

Most of all, she’s a sh*tty politician.

Sting on February 2, 2016 at 8:58 PM

The problem with Dimocrat recounts is every time they try one they “find” a few hundred votes for Al Gore.

viking01 on February 2, 2016 at 9:01 PM

The resident tap dancer has arrived.

CurtZHP on February 2, 2016 at 9:07 PM

If Bill and Hillary get back in the White House, they’re going to need a full time emergency medical team.

On the bright side, the White House staff can start an office pool on which one croaks first.

MichaelGabriel on February 2, 2016 at 9:08 PM

Remember: Bill getting 48% of the popular vote in ’92 was widely hailed as a “landslide”.

Hucklebuck on February 2, 2016 at 9:13 PM

Dr. Ben Carson is a very talented brain surgeon. I have been hoping that he would give Bill and Hillary Clinton a prefrontal lobotomy. This would cut down on all of the criminal-activity they are constantly involved in. Any improvement in their behavior would be appreciated very much by the American citizens…? /sarc

Bugdust172 on February 2, 2016 at 9:31 PM

If there ever was reason for the MUTE button, she and her shrill voice is one.

Missilengr on February 2, 2016 at 7:31 PM

I wouldn’t describe Hillary’s voice as shrill, but it’s very strident and unpleasant much of the time. I really hope that I’m not going to have to listen to that voice for the next four years.

Although, in fairness, if a Republican woman were using the exact same tone of voice to convey conservative messages, they would probably sound somewhat better to me because at least I would like the content of what she was saying.

J.S.K. on February 2, 2016 at 10:39 PM

http://theweek.com/articles/602929/sorry-bernie-tie-iowa-still-win-hillary

Kenny Bania on February 2, 2016 at 7:53 PM

LOL!

Long before you were born, in the 2000 Presidential election in Florida, the initial results showed that Chimpy Bush won that state by 0.5% (that’s one half of one percent for you Democrats), which automatically triggered (as mandated by Florida state law) an automatic recount. Gore Cultists immediately claimed that Bush “lost” Florida, because he “won” by “only” 1/2 of 1 percent.

F-#1.

And at the same time, your parents claimed that Gore really “won” that Presidential election nationally, because he got “500,000 more popular votes nationally than Chimpy Bush did”.

2 problems with that Democrat Fantasy.

1. Popular vote does not decide Presidential elections.

F-#2.

2. That national popular vote margin for Gore was…1/2 of 1%. Meaning that if Florida’s and many other states’ vote counting triggers had applied to the national popular vote, an automatic recount was mandatory. But see #1.

F-#3.

3. Last night, your totally unqualified and unaccomplished Old Fat White Heroin was only able to beat her opponent by a “margin” of less than half of what would trigger automatic recounts in any other election. 0.2% isn’t an impressive win, it’s a Fantasy Win, except in sports, which Democrats hate to begin with.

Remember, the final Des Moines Register “poll” had her winning Iowa by 3%, but the margin of error in that “poll” was 4%, so even then they were conceding that she could easily tie or lose Iowa. As it turned out, they were wrong by 2.8%.

Had a “pollster” predicted the same margin of victory for a Republican with the same result, you would be screeching and ridiculing them, and you know it.

F-#4.

5. How did Hillario! suddenly get so Fat? She’s a bigger Mad Magazine Blimp than Chris Christie now!

Is she worried about how crappy she is on the stump, or is she worried about wondering when to unleash her Flying Monkeys 900+ FBI Files on DOJ to keep her out of jail?

F-#5.

By the way, I notice that your link is to “The Week”, which I assume you consider a “credible source”.

Does that mean you will also be quoting Hot Gas’ own Captain Ed Morrisey’s link from today from that very same site? No, I didn’t think so! LOL-

http://theweek.com/articles/602742/why-should-furious-over-hillary-clintons-email-scandal

(Starts world’s slowest Snowdial)

Del Dolemonte on February 2, 2016 at 10:44 PM

Remember: Bill getting 48% of the popular vote in ’92 was widely hailed as a “landslide”.

Hucklebuck on February 2, 2016 at 9:13 PM

When Meal Ticket was running for Re-Erection in 1996, here in NH in the primary the second place finisher (with 2+ percent of the NH vote!) was comedian (see “The Smothers Brothers TV Show”) Pat Paulsen, who had first run for President in 1968.

The Democrat Media never mentioned that Inconvenient Truth, either.

Del Dolemonte on February 2, 2016 at 10:52 PM

Del Dolemonte on February 2, 2016 at 10:44 PM

That was epic… thank you! LOL

dpduq on February 3, 2016 at 12:13 AM

And the counter argument is that an intern is not really an employee since they suffer no undue hardship from leaving their position.
Tlaloc on December 29, 2015 at 4:05 PM

Holy crap….you’re more of fluffer than I thought. You’re a master fluffer. Gold star for you..now swallow. Embarrassing to an epic level.

CWforFreedom on February 3, 2016 at 7:16 AM

If it wasn’t for “H” and the Trumpster, this would be a really, really boring election cycle!

BTW, I’m halfway to my prediction that there will be no one named “Bush” or “Clinton” on the November ballots.

cottontail on February 3, 2016 at 7:51 AM

.. $1.50, the sum of 6 quarters.

wolly4321 on February 2, 2016 at 8:50 PM

Herafter and forever at HotGas Hillary shall be known as “6-Quarter Hillster”.

Difficultas_Est_Imperium on February 3, 2016 at 9:22 AM

In 1992 Bill Clinton campaigned heavily in the New Hampshire counties that in the past reported their returns the earliest. When their results came in showing him doing better than the statewide polls predicted he made his “I’m the comeback kid” speech and created the perception that he was the winner in New Hampshire even though the eventually reported statewide result indicated otherwise.

Hillary declaring victory early was a repeat of Bill’s tactic.

agmartin on February 3, 2016 at 11:42 AM

Blue 2016

That Dog Don’t Hunt

GrumpyOldFart on February 3, 2016 at 11:56 AM