Vox: Hey, Donald Trump and Bernie Sanders agree on a lot of stuff, huh?

posted at 2:01 pm on February 1, 2016 by Taylor Millard

There’s an interesting piece from Vox’s John B. Judis pointing out just how similar Donald Trump’s positions are with the ones of Bernie Sanders. There’s going to be a fair amount of consternation between both Trump and Sanders’ supporters, who really don’t want to be associated with each other, on this but Vox thinks there’s plenty of crossover between the two. The first is, you guessed it, populism but it goes even deeper than that:

Sanders is a left-wing populist. He wants to defend the “collapsing middle class” against the “billionaire class” that controls the economy and politics. He is not a liberal who wants to reconcile Wall Street and Main Street, or a socialist who wants the working class to abolish capitalism.

Trump is a right-wing populist who wants to defend the American people from rapacious CEOs and from Hispanic illegal immigrants. He is not a conventional business conservative who thinks government is the problem and who blames America’s ills on unions and Social Security.

Judis’ piece does go on its usual rabbit hole of blaming free markets for almost everything, and wishing the U.S. was some European-style social democracy. It’s rather eye-rolling, but when it gets into how Trump and Sanders almost agree on economics it’s quite interesting. The key factor is how the two believe government spending is the way to go:

Trump has also rejected the typical center-right view of government. He has opposed cuts to Social Security and Medicare, and he has not fretted about debt and deficits. Instead, he has advocated massive government spending on infrastructure. He attacked Obama’s health care plan for subsidizing insurance companies and drug companies, and has joined Sanders and Clinton in calling for curbing drug prices…

[ Sanders’ ] proposals, whether or not they are immediately feasible, challenge an approach that prioritizes the private market. He unblushingly favors huge government spending — $1 trillion worth — on infrastructure and would pay for that and for free public college tuition by tax hikes on speculation and the wealthy that Clinton, for one, opposes. He wants Medicare for all, which would mean eliminating private health insurers except as they might supplement government programs.

Judis also writes how this could be history repeating itself with what happened in the late 1930s with the advent of the New Deal in the U.S. and facism Europe. But it isn’t just Vox which noticed the similarities. Washington Free Beacon’s Andrew Stiles wrote last August how the two are pretty much the same on issues such as campaign finance and the Iraq War:

Campaign finance:

Sanders has repeatedly accused Republican politicians of being puppets of rich donors like the Koch brothers. So has Trump. Sanders believes that our campaign finance system must be reformed because rich individuals and corporations have too much sway in American politics. Trump not only agrees, he is a walking testament to that broken system. Trump recently explained how he was able to purchase the attendance of Bill and Hillary Clinton at his wedding in 2005, and has repeatedly bragged about how his personal wealth makes him immune to the interests of donors and special interests who might try to limit a candidate’s ability to “tell it like it is.”
Iraq war:

Unlike Hillary Clinton, neither candidate voted for the Iraq war.

The two also agree on trade and, at times, on immigration. Trump and Sanders have both criticized NAFTA, with Trump calling it a “disaster” to CBS, while Sanders wrote on his website it drove down wages and causes million of Americans to lose their jobs. Trump even acknowledged a crossover vote on trade between his supporters and Sanders’ supporters. As for immigration, both candidates discuss the desire to protect the American worker by changing how H-1B visas are handed out. They do disagree on border security, with Trump wanting to do the “Trump Wall,” while Sanders wants to use more cameras, thermal images, and movement sensors. They also disagree on DACA, but this might be because Sanders wants to avoid getting into another #blacklivesmatter incident like he did in Seattle.

It’s honestly a bit amusing seeing Vox try to paint candidates like Jeb Bush, John Kasich, Ted Cruz, and Marco Rubio as fiscal hawks because they’ve all supported increased government spending in one, shape, or form (Jeb on education; Kasich on Medicare; and Cruz and Rubio on military). It’s also hilarious to see Judis claim the GOP is full of a bunch of free marketers, when this is the same GOP which signed off on the bailouts and the Farm Bill. The GOP is far from fiscally conservative and free market-based, which is why the Tea Party started in 2009. But Judis’ Vox piece is making a key point: Trump and Sanders are similar in their candidacies and Judis believes it’s a good thing! This should really cause some of the people claiming to be “small government conservatives” or “Tea Party” to stop and think a minute. Trump (and probably Sanders) supporters are obviously going to say they’re just trying to “expand the tent,” but is this really the case? Is it really smart to select someone who believes in big government, whilst trying to quasi-pass off as a “conservative”? It also harks back to a question Jim Geraghty at National Review asked last month: Do Americans really want small government? It’s still disturbing, at least for me, to see the GOP frontrunner and the candidate a lot of Democrats would like to be the frontrunner, agreeing on so many issues.


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Separated at birth.

Oxymoron on February 1, 2016 at 2:06 PM

Gay

truerino on February 1, 2016 at 2:06 PM

The smell of your desperation is like an aphrodisiac. Tonight is going to be so fun.

Paperclips on February 1, 2016 at 2:06 PM

Vox now?

ok….

VOX, Salem one and the same

Garyinaz66 on February 1, 2016 at 2:06 PM

This should really cause some of the people claiming to be “small government conservatives” or “Tea Party” to stop and think a minute

We stopped and thought the last few elections, turns out the stopping and thinking only produced yet another wave of back-stabbing apparatchiks who couldn’t care less about the people who put them in their seats.

Trump can’t be any worse than the stiffs currently occupying D.C. unless you’re one of those who constantly mumble, “Just wait until 2032 when the GOP springs its trap on the demorats, be patient, this isn’t the hill to die on.”

Bishop on February 1, 2016 at 2:09 PM

It’s great that Vox is now being treated as a Serious Source.

Really, Bishop is right. The site is going down the drain.

Doomberg on February 1, 2016 at 2:09 PM

bwhaaaaaaaaaaaa vox bwhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa can’t breath bwhaaaaaaaaa

djohn669 on February 1, 2016 at 2:09 PM

Uh Oh.

portlandon on February 1, 2016 at 2:10 PM

A Trump-Sanders ticket would win the election.

everdiso on February 1, 2016 at 2:11 PM

Trump is a rightleft-wing populist who wants to defend the American people from rapacious CEOs and from Hispanic illegal immigrants. He is not a conventional business conservative who thinks government is the problem and who blames America’s ills on unions and Social Security.

FIFH

DethMetalCookieMonst on February 1, 2016 at 2:12 PM

Uniparty!!

Bitter Clinger on February 1, 2016 at 2:13 PM

Of course they do. Both are statists. Sanders is the left-wing kind and Trump is the right-wing kind. They both agree that Americans are too stupid to be allowed freedom.

TBSchemer on February 1, 2016 at 2:13 PM

Have you ever seen them together in the same place at the same time?

Clearly they’re one and the same. Bernie is Trump’s alter ego.

Carrying illegals across the border by day, performing abortions by night. It’s The Amazing BernTrump (pronounced Burnt Rump).

Oxymoron on February 1, 2016 at 2:13 PM

It’s not that they both see some things as a problem, but how to solve it that matters.
Trump and Sanders see a house on fire
Trump – calls 911
Sanders – does nothing but says “Tax the wealthy to increase the number of firefighters, employ 10k govt. workers to monitor fire-fighter performance, and then get teachers to indoctrinate children that using fire to cook food, the combustion engine, and reading Ayn Rand are products of a diseased mind.”

LincolntheHun on February 1, 2016 at 2:14 PM

Well, Trump did defend his support for government run healthcare yesterday. Repeal Obamacare, replace with Medicare for all. Isn’t that Sander’s plan too?

El_Terrible on February 1, 2016 at 2:14 PM

Simple comparisons for simple minds.

Meremortal on February 1, 2016 at 2:15 PM

…read Sanders biography and then tell me how similar they are…laughable bunch of nonsense pandering to FEEL THE BERN voters…anyone who reads Vox should be labeled a Left-Tard and immediately institutionalized…

Pelosi Schmelosi on February 1, 2016 at 2:18 PM

“I call him [Sanders] a socialist slash communist. Because that’s what he is.”
-Donald Trump

anotherJoe on February 1, 2016 at 2:19 PM

Well, Trump did defend his support for government run healthcare yesterday. Repeal Obamacare, replace with Medicare for all. Isn’t that Sander’s plan too?

El_Terrible on February 1, 2016 at 2:14 PM

No. He doesn’t support government run healthcare. He supports a primarily private insurance system, with reforms to the government run health care we already have, like Medicare AND Medicaid and the V.A.

JannyMae on February 1, 2016 at 2:20 PM

Salem-Vox-Millard…a three-way…

PatriotRider on February 1, 2016 at 2:22 PM

Hey man, like, mellow out.

https://youtu.be/vwiJnAtv1UU
https://youtu.be/vPRfP_TEQ-g

Seth Halpern on February 1, 2016 at 2:22 PM

Bernie will never be the nominee. Obama will not allow that

rik on February 1, 2016 at 2:24 PM

No. He doesn’t support government run healthcare. He supports a primarily private insurance system, with reforms to the government run health care we already have, like Medicare AND Medicaid and the V.A.

JannyMae on February 1, 2016 at 2:20 PM

Don’t know how many times he has to praise Canada’s system, and say that the government is going to pay for it, for the dots to connect. He says it’ll be private, but Obamacare is “private” too

El_Terrible on February 1, 2016 at 2:24 PM

Separated at birth.

Oxymoron on February 1, 2016 at 2:06 PM

LOL, or brothers from another mother.

VOX is still teaching people how to think?

tej on February 1, 2016 at 2:26 PM

Salem-Vox-Millard…a three-way…

PatriotRider on February 1, 2016 at 2:22 PM

hotvox….Donors unite

Oil Can on February 1, 2016 at 2:26 PM

laughable bunch of nonsense pandering to FEEL THE BERN voters

I’m pretty sure the last thing most of them want to hear is, “Hey – your guy is pretty similar to Trump!”

I’ve been making this comparison for months, though now that Vox has picked it up, I might have to rethink it….

calbear on February 1, 2016 at 2:27 PM

Some of you are foolish enough to think that you’ll have influence. That includes Millard.

Item 10,001 on “how to beat Trump”.

Schadenfreude on February 1, 2016 at 2:29 PM

I thought there was going to be no more Vox posting.

LoganSix on February 1, 2016 at 2:29 PM

HA now posts all the leftie and euroweenie sources :)

Schadenfreude on February 1, 2016 at 2:30 PM

Now the whole thing is starting to make sense.

butch on February 1, 2016 at 2:30 PM

Didn’t even read the article.

When you have to start linking to Vox to make a point, you are not worth reading.

Barred on February 1, 2016 at 2:30 PM

Why are some of you from the right displaying everditz attributes?

Schadenfreude on February 1, 2016 at 2:31 PM

Scary indeed

cmsinaz on February 1, 2016 at 2:33 PM

What’s that fungal-like growth on The Donald’s chin there?

DarkCurrent on February 1, 2016 at 2:34 PM

I’ve been making this comparison for months, though now that Vox has picked it up, I might have to rethink it….

calbear on February 1, 2016 at 2:27 PM

…they’re not even close…

Pelosi Schmelosi on February 1, 2016 at 2:37 PM

OT: Rush is in full-on anti-Trump mode today. It’s really bizarre to listen to.

Paperclips on February 1, 2016 at 2:37 PM

A Trump-Sanders ticket would will win the election.

everdiso on February 1, 2016 at 2:11 PM

DarkCurrent on February 1, 2016 at 2:37 PM

What’s that fungal-like growth on The Donald’s chin there?

DarkCurrent on February 1, 2016 at 2:34 PM

…probably from the last time he kissed That Skank…

Pelosi Schmelosi on February 1, 2016 at 2:38 PM

https://twitter.com/jamiedupree/status/694144064678039553

Jamie Dupree Verified account @jamiedupree

I met the Jackalope of Iowa politics yesterday –
someone deciding between Trump & Sanders
http://goo.gl/gV8jbw

ITguy on February 1, 2016 at 2:38 PM

Vox.

Hilarious. Did they find that bridge to Gaza yet?

M240H on February 1, 2016 at 2:40 PM

Hey Taylor, do you, Ezra, and Matt go to a lot of Broadway shows together?

M240H on February 1, 2016 at 2:42 PM

Don’t know how many times he has to praise Canada’s system, and say that the government is going to pay for it, for the dots to connect. He says it’ll be private, but Obamacare is “private” too

The Canadian health care system does work. In Canada. A country with less people in it than the state of California. There’s nothing wrong with saying that, nor does it mean you’re endorsing it as a solution to America’s health care woes. Maybe certain states can have single payer if they so choose but a national system wouldn’t work. The bottom line is that Trump doesn’t want to dispose of America’s private insurance industry and replace it with a government run system.

MidAtlantic Moderate on February 1, 2016 at 2:42 PM

Taylor Millard. Worse useful paid idiot on HA.

they lie on February 1, 2016 at 2:42 PM

(the wall is already built) open borders Millard. says it all about his motives.

Senator Philip Bluster on February 1, 2016 at 2:43 PM

In other news: Dr. Martin Luther King and Anne Frank were both born in the same year.

This information has about the same relevance as any Vox article.

DarthBrooks on February 1, 2016 at 2:43 PM

#singlepartysystem!

Can.I.be.in.the.middle on February 1, 2016 at 2:47 PM

Welcome back Bishop.. everyone has missed you..

dougmva on February 1, 2016 at 2:47 PM

Unmasked

Schadenfreude on February 1, 2016 at 2:48 PM

Is Donald Trump America’s Cao Cao?

DarkCurrent on February 1, 2016 at 2:49 PM

Eye-catching for Vox, but not very meaningful.

I conjecture that if you pick any two candidates, it would be possible to find a similar number of points on which the two agree.

For instance, one could write an article comparing a dozen or so similarities between Rand Paul and Hillary Clinton. But that doesn’t really mean the two are remotely alike in their core values.

s1im on February 1, 2016 at 2:51 PM

Don’t forget, they’re both from NY! That fearleness is definitely a common NY value. But Brooklyn and Queens are two VERY different places.

Can.I.be.in.the.middle on February 1, 2016 at 2:51 PM

Bloomberg’s Joshua Green: Donald Trump ‘Kicking Ass’ In Iowa

Senator Philip Bluster on February 1, 2016 at 3:01 PM

TPM: ‘This Is the Jeff Sessions Election and the GOP Is Just Along for the Ride’

Senator Philip Bluster on February 1, 2016 at 3:03 PM

After likening Trump to Hitler, calling him Bernie is a rather weak for the Weekly Millard Retardosity.

Mind you, Bernie is a bum, a failed carpenter and and an overall loser in life who never had a job outside of the government. Trump one of the most successful businessmen of this nation who never got a government paycheck.

Let us all guess which man’s life story is closer to Millard’s and other crony Salem losers.

Masih ad-Dajjal on February 1, 2016 at 3:05 PM

Let us all guess which man’s life story is closer to Millard’s and other crony Salem losers.

Masih ad-Dajjal on February 1, 2016 at 3:05 PM

What do you mean? Actually, what do you know about his life that leads you to that conclusion?

Mimzey on February 1, 2016 at 3:13 PM

Didn’t even read the article.

When you have to start linking to Vox to make a point, you are not worth reading.

Barred on February 1, 2016 at 2:30 PM

Don’t forget the whole slew of Slate and Salon articles as well. But it’s all good because they hate Trump you see.

Sugarbuzz on February 1, 2016 at 3:14 PM

Donald Trump at his last rally in Iowa speasking now, was introduced by Palin. In his first remarks he said security said someone was in audience with tomatoes. Trump said, if you see anyone in audience getting ready to throw tomatoes, knock the hell out of them. Knock the hell out of them. If you get arrested, I will pay your legal fees. Knock the hell out of them. They deserve it, right?

Is that not what any sane person who is not PC would say? That’s why Trump is winning.

they lie on February 1, 2016 at 3:15 PM

Sugarbuzz on February 1, 2016 at 3:14 PM

Slate and Salon hate Trump(PBUH)? Who else do they hate? I would imagine they would hate actual conservatives more.

Mimzey on February 1, 2016 at 3:17 PM

What do you mean? Actually, what do you know about his life that leads you to that conclusion?

Mimzey on February 1, 2016 at 3:13 PM

So you’d suppose a successful human being would work for a living writing embarrassing, autistic crapola (we already have a wall on Mexico border!) for an embarrassing, hacktastic propaganda apparatus named Salem?

Masih ad-Dajjal on February 1, 2016 at 3:19 PM

Is that not what any sane person who is not PC would say?

they lie on February 1, 2016 at 3:15 PM

No.
By what definition of “sane” to you find encouraging violent mob action against someone who doesn’t like you?
That is not at all sane. It’s Obama with his sheets off. “I want you to punish our enemies and reward our friends”, or the BLM thugs targeting white people.
What’s the difference in the level of “sanity”?

Mimzey on February 1, 2016 at 3:23 PM

Vox. Taylor Millard. Allahpundit. Hot Gas. H8Trump.

One and the same.

chuckh on February 1, 2016 at 3:26 PM

Mimzey on February 1, 2016 at 3:23 PM

Throwing a object at someone means whipping their ass, in a non PC world. Throw a “mater” at me, and I will whip your azz. Simple as that.

they lie on February 1, 2016 at 3:30 PM

I guess it makes no difference that Trump’s solutions happen to be based around capitalism and not government like Bernie the commie’s.

How does it fell to be the rumpswab of the left, Taylor? Because that is exactly what you and the rest of HA are.

earlgrey on February 1, 2016 at 3:39 PM

Is it really smart to select someone who believes in big government, whilst trying to quasi-pass off as a “conservative”?

If he’s serious about stopping Amnesty, yes. Yes it is.

Doesn’t matter what damage he does otherwise, we can vote to fix it later. Give 40 million criminal aliens the vote and a welfare check marked “courtesy of the DNC,” and we’ll never win a vote on anything again, EVER.

So yeah, it’s smart to vote in such a way so that big government shenanigans don’t become permanent. If I wanted to live in Mexico, I’d move there.

CapnObvious on February 1, 2016 at 3:45 PM

So you’d suppose a successful human being would work for a living writing embarrassing, autistic crapola (we already have a wall on Mexico border!) for an embarrassing, hacktastic propaganda apparatus named Salem?

Masih ad-Dajjal on February 1, 2016 at 3:19 PM

That makes little sense, imo.

What definition of the word “successful” are you using? Could that same definition be applied to you by someone else and you hold it to be valid?
It sounds like you’re simply talking about having an opinion.

Mimzey on February 1, 2016 at 3:48 PM

Of course they do. Both are statists. Sanders is the left-wing kind and Trump is the right-wing kind. They both agree that Americans are too stupid to be allowed freedom.

TBSchemer on February 1, 2016 at 2:13 PM

Funny, I always thought it was the Rand Paul crazies who thought that!

Trump and all of his supporters have convinced me that they are a greater threat to this country and its liberty than any Democrat. We need a leader who will use every power available to crush, destroy, and eliminate these people from this country.

TBSchemer on December 8, 2015 at 3:29 AM

dominigan on February 1, 2016 at 3:51 PM

Trump and Sanders have identified similar problems, but have far different views on how to solve them. Funny how the desperate pundits will latch onto the first part of that statement and totally ignore the second half.

dominigan on February 1, 2016 at 3:53 PM

If he’s serious about stopping Amnesty, yes. Yes it is.

CapnObvious on February 1, 2016 at 3:45 PM

And if he’s just using the tactics of “The Art of The Deal” to get what he wants?
What would he have to do, at this point, to have you question his honesty? Is there something, or is it “At this point, what difference does it make”?

Mimzey on February 1, 2016 at 3:57 PM

Throw a “mater” at me, and I will whip your azz. Simple as that.

they lie on February 1, 2016 at 3:30 PM

And that would be a crime, would it not? So Trump(PBUH) is advocating other people suffer the consequences of his being pissed at someone?
Very Presidential, and , in general, a positive addition to social order that should be encouraged??

Mimzey on February 1, 2016 at 4:01 PM

Stepped out for a while. Did fossen make it on Rush?

Mimzey on February 1, 2016 at 4:05 PM

Now I’m bloody well conflicted:

Poll: 25% of Federal Workers Would Consider Leaving Their Jobs if Trump Becomes Presidenthttp://www.weaselzippers.us/254178-poll-25-of-federal-workers-would-consider-leaving-their-jobs-if-trump-becomes-president/ via @WeaselZippers

Torcert on February 1, 2016 at 4:16 PM

Is Donald Trump America’s Cao Cao?

DarkCurrent on February 1, 2016 at 2:49 PM

Nah…he’s just an opportunistic, silver spoon frat boi, with a narcissistic personality disorder, who whines when someone offends him.
Like that teenager who blames everything that goes wrong on “affluenza”.
Thin skinned..self loving..angry douche.
Thats just my opinion…others may feel differently.

Mimzey on February 1, 2016 at 4:16 PM

Torcert on February 1, 2016 at 4:16 PM

Yeah right. Just like Alec Bladwin, Sally Kohn and all the others will leave if Bush was reelected. Childish whiners.

Mimzey on February 1, 2016 at 4:23 PM

And if he’s just using the tactics of “The Art of The Deal” to get what he wants?

Different “if’s” yield different “then’s”. This is logic 101.

What would he have to do, at this point, to have you question his honesty?

You assume I don’t already? You don’t know me, and when you assume you make an ass out of you and … well no, in this case, just you.

You can take the paranoid “what-if” hypotheticals as far down the rabbit hole as you want to go, but you’re still faced with one unassailable fact: You have a better chance of stopping amnesty with someone who might be lying about their opposition, than with any of the sorry sacks who honestly and publicly announce their treasonous complicity.

CapnObvious on February 1, 2016 at 4:29 PM

surprised Bernie wasn’t invited to the veterans event.
or maybe he was.

avi natan on February 1, 2016 at 5:34 PM

That smug, smarta$$ look on Trump’s face in the lead pic is priceless. LOL.

Dr. ZhivBlago on February 1, 2016 at 8:12 PM

Yeah, but GOPe and deportation!

Jaibones on February 1, 2016 at 9:58 PM

Trump is the right-wing kind.

TBSchemer on February 1, 2016 at 2:13 PM

Huh? In what way is Trump “right-wing”?

Jaibones on February 1, 2016 at 10:00 PM

Now I’m bloody well conflicted:

Poll: 25% of Federal Workers Would Consider Leaving Their Jobs if Trump Becomes President… http://www.weaselzippers.us/254178-poll-25-of-federal-workers-would-consider-leaving-their-jobs-if-trump-becomes-president/ via @WeaselZippers

Torcert on February 1, 2016 at 4:16 PM

Especially since most of them are Dems.
And they wonder why Trump is winning … well, still in the top three, anyway.

AesopFan on February 2, 2016 at 12:23 AM

Is it really smart to select someone who believes in big government, whilst trying to quasi-pass off as a “conservative”?

If he’s serious about stopping Amnesty, yes. Yes it is.

Doesn’t matter what damage he does otherwise, we can vote to fix it later. Give 40 million criminal aliens the vote and a welfare check marked “courtesy of the DNC,” and we’ll never win a vote on anything again, EVER.

So yeah, it’s smart to vote in such a way so that big government shenanigans don’t become permanent. If I wanted to live in Mexico, I’d move there.

CapnObvious on February 1, 2016 at 3:45 PM

This is part of the calculus, of course.
I don’t think any “hard numbers” have proven that other damage can be reversed later, but we KNOW that immigration’s effects on America, and consequential terrorism attacks, cannot be reversed.

AesopFan on February 2, 2016 at 12:25 AM

Exercise for political science doctoral students, if any are interested.

Eye-catching for Vox, but not very meaningful.

I conjecture that if you pick any two candidates, it would be possible to find a similar number of points on which the two agree.

For instance, one could write an article comparing a dozen or so similarities between Rand Paul and Hillary Clinton. But that doesn’t really mean the two are remotely alike in their core values.

s1im on February 1, 2016 at 2:51 PM

AesopFan on February 2, 2016 at 12:26 AM

It’s still disturbing, at least for me, to see the GOP frontrunner and the candidate a lot of Democrats would like to be the frontrunner, agreeing on so many issues.

All you have to do is remember that Trump is a Democrat in RINO clothing and then all of the similarities will make sense.

Theophile on February 2, 2016 at 1:34 AM