How I Spent My Constitutional Rights: Massachusetts town to require essay for carry permits

posted at 5:21 pm on January 26, 2016 by Ed Morrissey

Update: The state of Massachusetts has two classes of carry permits — Class A and Class B. Neither appear to allow “open carry,” so I have amended the headline. Class A is probably the “unrestricted” license to which the Lowell Sun refers as it allows for carrying loaded weapons, while the Class B license is restricted to carrying only unloaded weapons. I have also amended the post below.

Original post follows:

If citizens in Lowell, Massachusetts want to carry a weapon in self-defense, they had better start sharpening their pencils. The city will now require anyone who wants an “unrestricted” gun license to explain in writing why they feel the need to exercise their constitutional rights publicly, with the police chief playing the role of schoolmarm in deciding who passes and who fails. On top of that, anyone wishing to carry at all must take a course that currently costs more than $1100:

The policy requires anyone seeking a license-to-carry to take a gun-safety course. Anyone applying for an unrestricted gun license must state in writing why they should receive such a license, and to provide additional documentation, such as prior military or law-enforcement service, a prior license-to-carry permit, or signed letters of recommendation.

Critics who spoke Tuesday, and who’ve blasted the policy before, made one last attempt at persuading Police Superintendent William Taylor to make it less onerous on applicants.

“I will never write an essay to get my rights as an American citizen,” resident Dan Gannon said.

Taylor did agree to work with one resident, a trained firearms-safety instructor, to help shape a training course applicants will be required to take. The trainer, Randy Breton, strongly criticized Taylor moments earlier for what he said was intentionally expensive training to dissuade anyone from applying for a gun permit.

“It’s beyond ridiculous,” Breton said of courses he looked into. One costs $1,100 over five days, and another doesn’t offer any sessions through the rest of the year in Massachusetts.

The Inquisitr’s Tara Dodrill mocks the requirement, and notes the camel’s-nose-in-the-tent dangers:

Some Second Amendment advocates wonder if the Lowell gun essay requirement to garner a concealed carry permit will one day be enhanced to mandate a written explanation to purchase a handgun, a shotgun, or popular semi-automatic rifles like the AR-15, which gun control advocates commonly refer to as an “assault rifle.”

Does spelling count on the gun essay? No one really seems to know exactly what criteria the Lowell police chief will be using when he reviews the written reports by gun owners. The gun essay will give Chief Bill Taylor “more time” to look at each concealed carry permit applicant more closely, city manager Kevin Murphy said during an interview with the Lowell Sun.

“We’re no longer taking a cookie-cutter approach to issuing firearms licenses,” Murphy added.

Instead, they’re taking a patronizing approach to gun rights. Massachusetts passed significant gun-control legislation two decades ago that already provides significant restrictions on firearm ownership in the commonwealth. This provides an insulting and arbitrary cherry on the top for the city of 110,000 residents who might have labored under the delusion that the Bill of Rights was not a government grant of privilege, but a recognition of natural law.

Will this stand up in court if challenged? Massachusetts does not have a “shall issue” permit law, which would put an end to such nonsense, so the local jurisdictions can restrict access to permits. However, they cannot make it so burdensome so as to block reasonable expression of constitutional rights. The essay may be too arbitrary, or it might not be, to a federal court — but requiring classes which cost $1100 and five solid days to complete would make for a good argument that the requirements were promulgated in bad faith from the outset. Any court case will be a crapshoot, although Lowell and Massachusetts should be nervous about those outcomes in the aftermath of Heller and McDonald.

The better option would be for citizens of Lowell and Massachusetts more generally to elect officials who don’t obsess over law-abiding citizens as dangers, and orient their priorities to targeting the criminals rather than attempting to create new ones through Byzantine regulation. Maybe they can force candidates for office and law-enforcement leadership positions to write 1000-word essays for the theme How I Will Defend Constitutional Liberty Rather Than Step All Over It.

Addendum: Hot Air has obtained exclusive video of the Lowell essay-requirement process.


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Time to reinstitute literacy tests for voting.

What’s good for the goose…..

CurtZHP on January 26, 2016 at 5:23 PM

Time to reinstitute literacy tests for voting.

What’s good for the goose…..

CurtZHP on January 26, 2016 at 5:23 PM

And $1000 fee to register..every 4 yrs.

Saints on January 26, 2016 at 5:28 PM

A right you need a license to exercise is not a right.

CurtZHP on January 26, 2016 at 5:30 PM

I would just transcribe the second amendment and turn that in.

Occams Stubble on January 26, 2016 at 5:33 PM

Time to reinstitute literacy tests for voting.

What’s good for the goose…..

CurtZHP on January 26, 2016 at 5:23 PM

Well if this fly’s why not.

signed letters of recommendation

Recommendation from whom, I wonder? How are these things adjudicated?

whbates on January 26, 2016 at 5:34 PM

AKA: if you’re too stupid so as to be unable to write a coherent essay, you’re too stupid to own a gun. I free a cottage industry in Lowell: gun application essay consultants—We’ll Guide You Through Five Paragraphs for Guns!

CivilDiscourse on January 26, 2016 at 5:35 PM

Massachusetts the birth place of the American Revolution. And the catalyst there was the British wanted to deprive them of their guns and gunpowder.

Seems they might need to start looking at a Version 2 possibly. Oh and get rid of the Police Chief and Mayor for starters.

Johnnyreb on January 26, 2016 at 5:35 PM

* I predict a cottage industry.

CivilDiscourse on January 26, 2016 at 5:36 PM

Just when I thought CD couldn’t get any dumber…

cozmo on January 26, 2016 at 5:36 PM

But it’s onerous for a person to have to get an ID for free in order to exercise the right to vote.

Why isn’t this Lowell nonsense racisss? Where are BLM? Sharpton? Jackson?

MistyLane on January 26, 2016 at 5:37 PM

If you’re too stupid to obtain an acceptable form of ID, you’re too stupid to vote.

CurtZHP on January 26, 2016 at 5:37 PM

My guess is they’ll reject virtually essay and application anyway. And as for electing representatives who value the Second Amendment? Hey, this is Massachusetts we’re talking about.

Ward Cleaver on January 26, 2016 at 5:38 PM

My guess is they’ll reject virtually every essay and application anyway. And as for electing representatives who value the Second Amendment? Hey, this is Massachusetts we’re talking about.

Ward Cleaver on January 26, 2016 at 5:38 PM

/pimf

Ward Cleaver on January 26, 2016 at 5:38 PM

My guess is they’ll reject virtually essay and application anyway. And as for electing representatives who value the Second Amendment? Hey, this is Massachusetts we’re talking about.

Ward Cleaver on January 26, 2016 at 5:38 PM

What Lowell and MA need are a good dose of rapefugees to change perspectives.

MistyLane on January 26, 2016 at 5:40 PM

Just when I thought CD couldn’t get any dumber…

cozmo on January 26, 2016 at 5:36 PM

If you can’t detect the tongue-in-cheek from my post, you might want to check yourself on that score, too.

CivilDiscourse on January 26, 2016 at 5:40 PM

It’s starting to look like the anti gun efforts are being financed by the Armed Criminals Union. And dontcha know that these liberal whacko bird politicians are big Union supporters?

NOMOBO on January 26, 2016 at 5:41 PM

Time to reinstitute literacy tests for voting.

What’s good for the goose…..

CurtZHP on January 26, 2016 at 5:23 PM

And $1000 fee to register..every 4 yrs.

Saints on January 26, 2016 at 5:28 PM

The $1100 is a small price to pay for a mandatory 5 day course on ‘American Values’, compiled and edited by Deborah Wasserman Schultz! What a bargain — LOL

But not to worry, anybody with income less than 400% of the poverty level will get a taxpayer provided subsidy, paid for with a Poll Tax on everybody else (which you have to pay whether you actually vote or not).

s1im on January 26, 2016 at 5:42 PM

Here’s MY essay…

Why do I want to buy a gun??? Cuz Eff You… that’s why…

Kuffar on January 26, 2016 at 5:42 PM

What next? An essay on why I deserve to be secure against unwarranted search and seizure?

CurtZHP on January 26, 2016 at 5:45 PM

Lowell, Mass=

illegal alien, don’t have to show us your papers.

American citizen wanting to exercise 2nd amendment rights, you gotta show us your papers

Senator Philip Bluster on January 26, 2016 at 5:49 PM

AKA: if you’re too stupid so as to be unable to write a coherent essay, you’re too stupid to own a gun vote.
CivilDiscourse on January 26, 2016 at 5:35 PM

AKA: if you’re too stupid so as to be unable to write a coherent essay, you’re too stupid to own a gun get an abortion.
CivilDiscourse on January 26, 2016 at 5:35 PM

AKA: if you’re too stupid so as to be unable to write a coherent essay, you’re too stupid to own a gun make $15 an hour.
CivilDiscourse on January 26, 2016 at 5:35 PM

Hey – this works great for lots of things.

dentarthurdent on January 26, 2016 at 5:52 PM

No blacks need apply — unless they are rick or connected.

Random Numbers (Brian Epps) on January 26, 2016 at 5:55 PM

Having been a cop for 30 years, and a strong supporter of the 2nd Amendment, I make the following observations:

1) Are you WILLING to take the life of someone else? Sounds like a stupid question. Until a crook you have at gunpoint walks up and takes your weapon from you. Firearms aren’t for bluffing.
2) If you ‘open carry’, you’re freaking FELONY stupid! If someone is bent on no good, your open carry means he/she will shoot you first! SURPRISE is on your side! USE IT!
3) If you are going to carry…..drop the macho crap! If nothing else, talk to a lawyer who will have no problem telling you what will happen if you dump some SOB. That POS’s kin-folk will come out of the woodwork to SUE YOU! Doesn’t matter how righteous the shooting, if the SOB is a minority, the family will try the case in the local press. Better be on good terms with the people who furnish your homeowner’s policy. Do you really want the headache?
4) If you aren’t familiar with the weapon you have – usage, care and maintenance…..you are a walking liability. Some lawyer is going to be asking “How often do you practice with that firearm?” A response of “I purchased it legally 4 years ago and put it in the closet” isn’t going to cover it.

You have a RIGHT….but you’d better educate yourself in the exercise of that right.

You read about cops dumping some POS that had it coming. What you NEVER read in the press in follow-up stories is the number of cops who quit the job after the shooting. Doesn’t matter how “justified” the shooting was.

You want to carry? Go head, but THINK ABOUT IT first.

GarandFan on January 26, 2016 at 5:55 PM

* I predict a cottage industry.

CivilDiscourse on January 26, 2016 at 5:36 PM

Ha ha…idiot. You’re dumber than phuck.

CWforFreedom on January 26, 2016 at 5:58 PM

Add this to what’s happening in Lexington, of all places….
http://bearingarms.com/skittish-coming-241-years-later-lexington-battles-gun-grabbers/

Massachusetts is turning full redcoat instead of Minuteman.

dentarthurdent on January 26, 2016 at 5:58 PM

You want to carry? Go head, but THINK ABOUT IT first.

GarandFan on January 26, 2016 at 5:55 PM

Thanks’ dad. You patronizing paternalistic piece of shit.

CWforFreedom on January 26, 2016 at 5:59 PM

AKA: if you’re too stupid so as to be unable to write a coherent essay, you’re too stupid to own a gun.

CivilDiscourse on January 26, 2016 at 5:35 PM

I don’t recall seeing that in the Bill of Rights.

antipc on January 26, 2016 at 6:00 PM

Thanks’ dad. You patronizing paternalistic piece of shit.

CWforFreedom on January 26, 2016 at 5:59 PM

Oh, I have no doubt whatsoever that he meant well. He’s just preaching to the choir; that’s all.

CurtZHP on January 26, 2016 at 6:01 PM

Everytime I see a story like this I can’t help but think:

“Gee, when a King like leader finally decides it’s time to seize power, I wonder which states he’ll take control of first…”

nextgen_repub on January 26, 2016 at 6:01 PM

With all this crap going on across Massachusetts, I may have to reconsider my interest in Smith & Wesson products (Springfield, MA for those of you who may not know)……

dentarthurdent on January 26, 2016 at 6:02 PM

AKA: if you’re too stupid so as to be unable to write a coherent essay, you’re too stupid to own a gun.

CivilDiscourse on January 26, 2016 at 5:35 PM

Civil war vets hardest hit.

antipc on January 26, 2016 at 6:03 PM

At this point, Trump could skate to the nomination. Hold two rallies a day at which he points out the most recent outrage occurring around the country.

BTW: That was the funniest fricking screen-cap evah! Any post incorporating something from A Christmas Story has to be great.

The video-clip was a great touch. Thanks.

BuckeyeSam on January 26, 2016 at 6:04 PM

Ha ha…idiot. You’re dumber than phuck.

CWforFreedom on January 26, 2016 at 5:58 PM

cf.

CivilDiscourse on January 26, 2016 at 6:04 PM

A true liberal would find such a requirement horrifying.

CWforFreedom on January 26, 2016 at 6:05 PM

CD…call us racist. Please.

CWforFreedom on January 26, 2016 at 6:06 PM

I don’t recall seeing that in the Bill of Rights.

antipc on January 26, 2016 at 6:00 PM

Tongue-in-cheek, don’t you know. He was just kidding (after he realized how badly he stepped in it…).

CurtZHP on January 26, 2016 at 6:06 PM

AKA: if you’re too stupid so as to be unable to write a coherent essay, you’re too stupid to own a gun.

CivilDiscourse on January 26, 2016 at 5:35 PM

Civil war vets hardest hit.

antipc on January 26, 2016 at 6:03 PM

*Cue* Ken Burns music

*Cue* Voice Over: “My dearest, darling Annabelle. If you’re reading this essay . . . “

CivilDiscourse on January 26, 2016 at 6:06 PM

CD…call us racist. Please.

CWforFreedom on January 26, 2016 at 6:06 PM

Be careful. You’re starting to attention-seek. It’s not becoming.

CivilDiscourse on January 26, 2016 at 6:08 PM

after he realized how badly he stepped in it…

CurtZHP on January 26, 2016 at 6:06 PM

Lolz. As if I’ve ever been worried about stepping in it with HA commenters.

CivilDiscourse on January 26, 2016 at 6:09 PM

My essay, I want one because go f**k yourself. Short and to the point.

bbinfl on January 26, 2016 at 6:10 PM

Lolz. As if I’ve ever been worried about stepping in it with HA commenters.

CivilDiscourse on January 26, 2016 at 6:09 PM

Well, that’s true. You step in it, and all over yourself all the time, and it doesn’t seem to matter.

dentarthurdent on January 26, 2016 at 6:11 PM

You want to carry? Go head, but THINK ABOUT IT first.

GarandFan on January 26, 2016 at 5:55 PM

Thanks’ dad. You patronizing paternalistic piece of shit.

CWforFreedom on January 26, 2016 at 5:59 PM

Hey! DUMB ASS!

You’d be surprised how many idiots think that all they need is the 2nd Amendment.

They’re the one’s you read about later in the newspaper. Because they’re in court IN DEEP SHIT!

Think about it.

GarandFan on January 26, 2016 at 6:11 PM

Well, that’s true. You step in it, and all over yourself all the time, and it doesn’t seem to matter.

dentarthurdent on January 26, 2016 at 6:11 PM

Knew someone like that. Used to say the dumbest things, get him self in deep kimchi over it, and then say he was just kidding. Didn’t hold it against him, though. He was only eleven.

CurtZHP on January 26, 2016 at 6:13 PM

Knew someone like that. Used to say the dumbest things, get him self in deep kimchi over it, and then say he was just kidding. Didn’t hold it against him, though. He was only eleven.

CurtZHP on January 26, 2016 at 6:13 PM

Apparently that 11 year old now posts here…….

dentarthurdent on January 26, 2016 at 6:16 PM

Time to reinstitute literacy tests for voting.

What’s good for the goose…..

CurtZHP on January 26, 2016 at 5:23 PM

And $1000 fee to register..every 4 yrs.

Saints on January 26, 2016 at 5:28 PM

Don’t forget the ten days (two business weeks) of calasses in Civics, Government, and one’s responsibilities as a voter and as a jury member.
With a four-hour exam at the end.

Solaratov on January 26, 2016 at 6:16 PM

That would, of course, be classes (in the real world).

Solaratov on January 26, 2016 at 6:17 PM

Fan…smd.

CWforFreedom on January 26, 2016 at 6:18 PM

They’re the one’s you read about later in the newspaper. Because they’re in court IN DEEP SHIT!
GarandFan on January 26, 2016 at 6:11 PM

Like this guy?
http://kwqc.com/2015/12/17/des-moines-county-sheriff-shoots-himself-in-the-hand/

dentarthurdent on January 26, 2016 at 6:18 PM

Apparently that 11 year old now posts here…….

dentarthurdent on January 26, 2016 at 6:16 PM

Knew someone like that. Used to say the dumbest things, get him self in deep kimchi over it, and then say he was just kidding. Didn’t hold it against him, though. He was only eleven.

CurtZHP on January 26, 2016 at 6:13 PM

OGL. You guys have GOT to get a better sense of humor. No wonder you’re so outraged at everything, all the time.

CivilDiscourse on January 26, 2016 at 6:19 PM

They’re the one’s you read about later in the newspaper. Because they’re in court IN DEEP SHIT!
GarandFan on January 26, 2016 at 6:11 PM

And this guy?
http://www.jsonline.com/news/wisconsin/marathon-county-sheriffs-captain-accidentally-shoots-self-b99353213z1-275355171.html

dentarthurdent on January 26, 2016 at 6:19 PM

CD…You’re too ignorant to know when you’re being mocked.

CWforFreedom on January 26, 2016 at 6:19 PM

CWforFreedom on January 26, 2016 at 6:19 PM

Oh, CW, don’t worry—I didn’t forget about you! I see you, too. I don’t want you to feel left out.

CivilDiscourse on January 26, 2016 at 6:22 PM

Think about it.

GarandFan on January 26, 2016 at 6:11 PM

How is it you know none of us here haven’t already thought about it?

You need to climb down from your high horse, fella.

Dick Richard on January 26, 2016 at 6:22 PM

CD….as expected…comprehension fail.

CWforFreedom on January 26, 2016 at 6:24 PM

How is it you know none of us here haven’t already thought about it?

You need to climb down from your high horse, fella.

Dick Richard on January 26, 2016 at 6:22 PM

I was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt, seeing as his points were valid.

But, upon further review, I see the same condescending attitude I’ve seen among a few of those who’ve carried weapons for a living. They tend to come across like they, and they alone, possess a Jedi-like mastery of firearms that plebes like us could never hope to attain; and we can’t possibly get our heads around the enormity of firing at another human being in a situation that calls for it.

To hear these guys tell it, bomber pilots whack off to footage of atom bomb tests.

CurtZHP on January 26, 2016 at 6:27 PM

With all this crap going on across Massachusetts, I may have to reconsider my interest in Smith & Wesson products (Springfield, MA for those of you who may not know)……

dentarthurdent on January 26, 2016 at 6:02 PM

IIRC, the only thing left of S&W in Mass. are a few offices and their museum. They moved South a while ago.

And, check out the new (at SHOT Show) Kimber K-6 revolver. I don’t even like Kimber and I’m going after one of these.

Solaratov on January 26, 2016 at 6:27 PM

They try so hard. If only anyone they actually know would take them seriously.

CurtZHP on January 26, 2016 at 6:29 PM

Every single ‘essay’ should consist of nothing more than the words, ‘A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.’

James on January 26, 2016 at 6:32 PM

You want to carry? Go head, but THINK ABOUT IT first.

GarandFan on January 26, 2016 at 5:55 PM

I normally like what you have to say – but this time you really did come off as horribly patronizing and condescending – and gave the impression you fully agree with what the leftists in Lowell are doing – as if us stupid gun nut peasants in HA don’t know what we’re doing.

dentarthurdent on January 26, 2016 at 6:32 PM

To hear these guys tell it, bomber pilots whack off to footage of atom bomb tests.

CurtZHP on January 26, 2016 at 6:27 PM

Yep. It would probably terrify both he and that moron Tlaloc to know I’ve had my carry permit for 8+ years now. For their sakes I won’t tell them the awful truth.

Dick Richard on January 26, 2016 at 6:36 PM

IIRC, the only thing left of S&W in Mass. are a few offices and their museum. They moved South a while ago.

And, check out the new (at SHOT Show) Kimber K-6 revolver. I don’t even like Kimber and I’m going after one of these.

Solaratov on January 26, 2016 at 6:27 PM

Nope – they added Missouri by way of a company they bought that makes accessories.

Smith & Wesson facilities are located in Massachusetts, Maine, Connecticut, and Missouri.

The S&W’s I’ve bought recently were made in Springfield and Houlton, Maine. They have a lot things produced across the locations I posted above.

BTW – Kimber is based in NY – I won’t buy any of those.

dentarthurdent on January 26, 2016 at 6:40 PM

GarandFan on January 26, 2016 at 5:55 PM

Back in ’94 the CCW permit the instructors spent the first 20 minutes (of an 8 hour class) offering reason and explanations as to why we shouldn’t be there and what challenges we faced to maintain such responsibility.
No doubt about it, if you shoot someone in self-defense your life will change FOREVER.

And to add to GrandFan’s admonition …
Just because you buy a piano doesn’t make you a musician.

Missilengr on January 26, 2016 at 6:43 PM

I propose we also stop people who can’t write an essay from voting…
Any Democrats with me? No? Why not?

https://web.archive.org/web/20130126102046/http://www.foxnews.com/politics/elections/2012-exit-poll

What was the last grade of school you completed?
No high school diploma
Obama 64% — Romney 35%

OH, that’s why. They’re your base.
So just keep them unarmed and uneducated and hope they never figure out you’re using them.

You’re lucky they’re not smart.
Well not “lucky” exactly, the abuse of the educational system was more deliberate than luck would account for.

gekkobear on January 26, 2016 at 6:44 PM

Seems like an undue burden against a constitutional right.

MH53J on January 26, 2016 at 6:48 PM

Isn’t this like the poll tax and literacy tests used to keep blacks from voting? Why should a public official be able to judge whether you are worthy of exercising your Constitutional rights based upon an arbitrarily judged test?

bartbeast on January 26, 2016 at 6:48 PM

“If Taxachusetts didn’t suck so mightily and the Kennedy mobsters, crooks and molesters were in jail this permit for self defense would be less necessary.”

End of essay.

viking01 on January 26, 2016 at 6:49 PM

while the Class B license is restricted to carrying only unloaded weapons.

And what is the point of doing that?

Torcert on January 26, 2016 at 6:51 PM

I believe Nanny Bloomberg is from Lowell but if not he should be.

Hey CD, keep up the good work, I always get a good laugh when the meek exhibit their subservient nature. The Man loves it when you drop your drawers and bend over for him. Other than that I think you are fine.

A.T. Tapman on January 26, 2016 at 6:53 PM

“If Taxachusetts didn’t suck so mightily and the Kennedy mobsters, crooks and molesters were in jail this permit for self defense would be less necessary.”

End of essay.

viking01 on January 26, 2016 at 6:49 PM

Oh, yeah, totally awful. The worst state. Top five in gross income per capita, number one in education level, number one in student outcomes, top ten in happiness index.

Totally sucks.

CivilDiscourse on January 26, 2016 at 7:04 PM

EXCELLENT idea about the essay, etc. for 2nd amendment rights.
May I also suggest an exam for voting and a modest poll tax?

philw1776 on January 26, 2016 at 7:14 PM

I normally like what you have to say – but this time you really did come off as horribly patronizing and condescending – and gave the impression you fully agree with what the leftists in Lowell are doing – as if us stupid gun nut peasants in HA don’t know what we’re doing.

dentarthurdent on January 26, 2016 at 6:32 PM

I didn’t see it that way at all. I can also name a few posters here who think they are Rambo. Having carried, and used, a self defense firearm for its intended purpose, I wholeheartedly agree with the gun nut (who else would put a gun in their handle).

It wasn’t shooting the scumbag that scared me. It was dealing with the police, lawyers and the grand jury that scared me.

cozmo on January 26, 2016 at 7:17 PM

Anyone with a brain who has been in Boston readily can see the enmity between the Brahmins and the Blacks…

viking01 on January 26, 2016 at 7:18 PM

Having been a cop for 30 years, and a strong supporter of the 2nd Amendment, I make the following observations:

1) Are you WILLING to take the life of someone else? Sounds like a stupid question. Until a crook you have at gunpoint walks up and takes your weapon from you. Firearms aren’t for bluffing.

Ummm. Yeah. You threaten me or mine I won’t hesitate. My dad didn’t have it in him to drop a deer when he had the perfect opportunity. I had no hesitation with that. Yeah, killing a person is different from putting steaks in the freezer. Still, I wouldn’t have a gun if I wasn’t mentally prepared.

2) If you ‘open carry’, you’re freaking FELONY stupid! If someone is bent on no good, your open carry means he/she will shoot you first! SURPRISE is on your side! USE IT!

Different strokes for different folks. We all take our chances every day. Armed or not. Concealed or open. Besides, when is the last time a criminal did that?

3) If you are going to carry…..drop the macho crap! If nothing else, talk to a lawyer who will have no problem telling you what will happen if you dump some SOB. That POS’s kin-folk will come out of the woodwork to SUE YOU! Doesn’t matter how righteous the shooting, if the SOB is a minority, the family will try the case in the local press. Better be on good terms with the people who furnish your homeowner’s policy. Do you really want the headache?

Lots of states now have immunity from civil litigation if you are found to have acted in self-defense or defense of another. Read up on the laws first please.

4) If you aren’t familiar with the weapon you have – usage, care and maintenance…..you are a walking liability. Some lawyer is going to be asking “How often do you practice with that firearm?” A response of “I purchased it legally 4 years ago and put it in the closet” isn’t going to cover it.

Was it a good shoot or a bad shoot? If a good shoot none of that is germain. If it’s a bad shoot you’re screwed anyway.

You have a RIGHT….but you’d better educate yourself in the exercise of that right.

You read about cops dumping some POS that had it coming. What you NEVER read in the press in follow-up stories is the number of cops who quit the job after the shooting. Doesn’t matter how “justified” the shooting was.

You want to carry? Go head, but THINK ABOUT IT first.

GarandFan on January 26, 2016 at 5:55 PM

I’ll worry about the psychological effects after the fact. I have to survive the encounter first though. Besides, I’m not a cop. Cops choose the job. If they turn out to not be able to hack it it’s better for everyone if they find another profession. There’s also a difference between dropping some POS because he decided to take you on because you’re a cop, and dropping some POS because he invaded your home and threated your family.

sumpnz on January 26, 2016 at 7:20 PM

Because f*** you, that’s why.

The end

levi on January 26, 2016 at 7:27 PM

“If Taxachusetts didn’t suck so mightily and the Kennedy mobsters, crooks and molesters were in jail this permit for self defense would be less necessary.”

End of essay.

viking01 on January 26, 2016 at 6:49 PM
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Oh, yeah, totally awful. The worst state. Top five in gross income per capita, number one in education level, number one in student outcomes, top ten in happiness index.

Totally sucks.

CivilDiscourse on January 26, 2016 at 7:04 PM
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Why the excellent outcomes? Demographics. More taxpayers and less taxeaters.

A.T. Tapman on January 26, 2016 at 7:31 PM

Thanks for visiting Boston’s Dorchester, Grove Hall, Warren Gardens and Maverick Gardens housing projects!

Enjoy the crossfires and crack territory disputes gone sour!

Enjoy a Roxbury wilding or a “payback” for Saint Trayvon!

Be sure to bring your dental records and a forwarding address for your body bag. You’ll be glad you did.

viking01 on January 26, 2016 at 7:35 PM

Oh, yeah, totally awful. The worst state. Top five in gross income per capita, number one in education level, number one in student outcomes, top ten in happiness index.

Totally sucks.

CivilDiscourse on January 26, 2016 at 7:04 PM

Boston – home of “the Combat Zone” – that says it all.

And BTW – both my parents were born and raised in Massachusetts, and I lived there more than a few years while growing up, and I still have lots of family all over the state – so I know it quite well.
But for being where the Revolution started, and how it started, a helluva lot has changed in that state – and given the topic of this thread – not for the better.

dentarthurdent on January 26, 2016 at 7:53 PM

Thanks for visiting Boston’s Dorchester, Grove Hall, Warren Gardens and Maverick Gardens housing projects!

Enjoy the crossfires and crack territory disputes gone sour!

Enjoy a Roxbury wilding or a “payback” for Saint Trayvon!

Be sure to bring your dental records and a forwarding address for your body bag. You’ll be glad you did.

viking01 on January 26, 2016 at 7:35 PM

Oh, I see what you did there—you reached into what you thought were the worst of the worst inner city areas of the largest city in the state in order to attempt to disprove whole statewide data. (Your info’s a bit out of date, though—gentrification happens!—you might want some up-to-date recon.)

Congratulations! Your Fallacy is Biased Sample. Now that you have a Biased Sample Fallacy, what will you do with it?

Like I said: best education system in the United States, most educated populace, top five income, top ten happiness index—oh, and I forgot to mention top five healthiest, too. But yeah, some scary housing projects in Mattapan (I gave you that one; see? I’m being generous—because you don’t know what the fvck you’re talking about!)

Yeah, Massachusetts is just the worst! Oh—did you want to talk about winningest city and regional sports teams? Get outta heyah.

CivilDiscourse on January 26, 2016 at 7:58 PM

Boston – home of “the Combat Zone” – that says it all.

dentarthurdent on January 26, 2016 at 7:53 PM

The “Combat Zone” no longer exists and is now known as the Theater District—since the late 90s/00s. You guys are killing’ me.

CivilDiscourse on January 26, 2016 at 8:00 PM

The “Combat Zone” no longer exists and is now known as the Theater District—since the late 90s/00s. You guys are killing’ me.

CivilDiscourse on January 26, 2016 at 8:00 PM

It existed for long enough.
Changed due to higher property values and redevelopment, and “adult entertainment” going to video and internet – but the crime didn’t go away – just moved around to other nearby neighborhoods.

dentarthurdent on January 26, 2016 at 8:07 PM

Like I said: best most overrated education system in the United States,
CivilDiscourse on January 26, 2016 at 7:58 PM

Regarding Haaaahhhhvaaaaahhhd anyway.

dentarthurdent on January 26, 2016 at 8:09 PM

And BTW – both my parents were born and raised in Massachusetts, and I lived there more than a few years while growing up, and I still have lots of family all over the state – so I know it quite well.
But for being where the Revolution started, and how it started, a helluva lot has changed in that state – and given the topic of this thread – not for the better.

dentarthurdent on January 26, 2016 at 7:53 PM

Also, my folks live in Acton, outside Concord. Know quite a few military re-enactors who march on both sides through Lexington/Concord on patriots day. Many of whom are direct descendants of the Revolution. Pretty upstanding/outstanding folks, former military the lot of them, from some of the most “liberal” towns you ever want to visit.

I’m sure you’re right to question their patriotism and whether they’re “as American” in their bonafides as you are. lol.

CivilDiscourse on January 26, 2016 at 8:10 PM

Regarding Haaaahhhhvaaaaahhhd anyway.

dentarthurdent on January 26, 2016 at 8:09 PM

Oh yeah; I’m sure your alma mater blows Harvard away in terms of success/gross income rate of grads. How simplistically predictable.

CivilDiscourse on January 26, 2016 at 8:20 PM

Touchy.

CurtZHP on January 26, 2016 at 8:22 PM

It existed for long enough.

dentarthurdent on January 26, 2016 at 8:07 PM

Did it exist long enough to negate all the particularly wicked awesome statewide facts and data I recounted for you, or did it exist exactly long enough to be one inner city neighborhood that gentrified in one city in the entire state.

And by the way, you lived there when you were growing up, and you spew crap about it, having known how many particularly awesome most of it is? The Cape—the North Shore—the Berkshires? I’d coin the term Masshole for you, if it wasn’t already in use elsewhere.

CivilDiscourse on January 26, 2016 at 8:25 PM

It existed for long enough.

dentarthurdent on January 26, 2016 at 8:07 PM

Did it exist long enough to negate all the particularly wicked awesome statewide facts and data I recounted for you, or did it exist exactly long enough to be one inner city neighborhood that gentrified in one city in the entire state.

And by the way, you lived there when you were growing up, and you spew crap about it, having known how many particularly awesome most of it is? The Cape—the North Shore—the Berkshires? I’d coin the term [email protected] for you, if it wasn’t already in use elsewhere.

CivilDiscourse on January 26, 2016 at 8:27 PM

^^ Will be duplicate comment for mods on [email protected] ;-)

CivilDiscourse on January 26, 2016 at 8:28 PM

Touchy.

CurtZHP on January 26, 2016 at 8:22 PM

Nope, just winning—like the Sox will do this year. Losers who trash their home state? SMH.

CivilDiscourse on January 26, 2016 at 8:29 PM

MIT is a vastly better school than Harvard for hard science.

Better yet go with JPL via Caltech or Marshall via UA & UAH or UT-Austin with TI and Johnson Space.

CD’s having a bad & angry day.

viking01 on January 26, 2016 at 8:31 PM

MIT is a vastly better school than Harvard for hard science.

viking01 on January 26, 2016 at 8:31 PM

LOL. Is that supposed to bolster your case that Mass sucks? Not bad and angry at all—don’t be salty for getting called out on something you clearly know just enough about to make stupid comments.

CivilDiscourse on January 26, 2016 at 8:39 PM

CivilDiscourse on January 26, 2016 at 8:39 PM

You’re schtruggling Moochelle, schtruggling….

…just alluding out how Obongo and appointees (freak Kagan etc.) have tarnished the Harvard sales pitch.

Vanity can fake it for you only so far “CD” or should it be “E.D.”?

viking01 on January 26, 2016 at 8:47 PM

Every single ‘essay’ should consist of nothing more than the words, ‘A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.’
James on January 26, 2016 at 6:32 PM

That would be a ” disqualified ” for sure

Mr Soames on January 27, 2016 at 8:06 AM

Also, my folks live in Acton, outside Concord. Know quite a few military re-enactors who march on both sides through Lexington/Concord on patriots day. Many of whom are direct descendants of the Revolution. Pretty upstanding/outstanding folks, former military the lot of them, from some of the most “liberal” towns you ever want to visit.
I’m sure you’re right to question their patriotism and whether they’re “as American” in their bonafides as you are. lol.
CivilDiscourse on January 26, 2016 at 8:10 PM

And I’m sure they all wonder what happened to you

Mr Soames on January 27, 2016 at 8:13 AM

A perfect opportunity to ask Democratic politicians “is this what you mean by common-sense gun control? And if it isn’t, what are you doing about it?”

PersonFromPorlock on January 27, 2016 at 9:43 AM

Eventually, someone will submit this:

“Greetings from the grave, to whatever worthless cubicle-farm apparatchik reads this essay. See, I need a gun, right now, because my ex is stalking me. But I don’t have $1,100 in my pocket for those safety classes, and I doubt I’ll have time to take them before my ex comes back to try to kill me. And so, by the time you find this essay in your stack of paperwork, and get around to reading it, chances are, I will probably be dead already. I hope you bureaucrats are happy with yourselves.”

Archangel Nation on January 27, 2016 at 2:35 PM

Oh yeah; I’m sure your alma mater blows Harvard away in terms of success/gross income rate of grads. How simplistically predictable.

CivilDiscourse on January 26, 2016 at 8:20 PM

Well, no, it doesn’t.
But that’s because my college produces military officers – not ambulance chasers and crony capitalists.
And yes – Hahvahd is very over-rated.
How very predictable of you……

dentarthurdent on January 27, 2016 at 6:00 PM