Trump: “When I’m president, I’m a different person”

posted at 7:21 pm on January 25, 2016 by Allahpundit

Toronto Star reporter Daniel Dale got more than 600 retweets for beaming out this Trump quote on Saturday, although when I googled it, I came up empty.

I tweeted Dale this morning and asked for the source. You’ll find it in the clip below, from a Q&A after Trump’s most recent rally in Pella, Iowa, at around the 1:48:00 mark. (There should be an ellipsis between the two sentences in Dale’s tweet but nothing was omitted that would change the meaning of what Trump said.) He’s talking about tone here, and he’s made this point about tone before. He’s aggressive and anti-PC on the trail, in a knife fight with 15 other candidates, because that’s what it takes to win, but if winning at the job of the presidency requires a different tone, then that’s the tone he’ll take. This must be the first time in American history where it’s impossible to predict not only what a major-party frontrunner would do as president — given Trump’s volatile political history, all we can count on is that there’ll be “deals” — but how he would sound. And that’s bound up in the other money Trump quote from this weekend:

Glenn Beck, a Cruz supporter, called that sentiment “dangerous” this weekend. Trump obviously meant it as a joke, an exaggerated statement of how loyal his fans are. But it’s striking even as a joke because it proves that not only is he aware of the cult of personality around him, he’s counting on it to increase his freedom of political movement — and that is a little dangerous. Try to imagine the reaction among Cruz fans if he went out onstage today in Iowa and promised he’d be a “different person” as president with forays into political correctness as circumstances require. They’d be mortified. If you like Cruz, you like him because of what he stands for and the fact that he’s not afraid to piss off the right people in doing so. The instant he ceases to fill that role, he’s disposable. What Trump’s telling you in these two quotes is that those rules don’t apply to him. Barring some truly core betrayal, like signing a new amnesty into law, he thinks he can count on his fans to follow him anywhere. And if he decides that he needs to dispense with the tone, or the policies, that he’s been pushing on the trail and become the most politically correct person you’ve ever seen as president, then he, in his wisdom, must have his reasons. (Relatedly, Obama cultists started off as anti-war and anti-drone and anti-“unitary executive” in 2008 and have been shrugging at Obama’s deviations from that line ever since.) The amazing thing about the “Fifth Avenue” quote is that it’s a joke at his own followers’ expense. A friend called it his “Lonesome Rhodes moment,” in which a populist hero ends up laughing at the devotion of his own fan base. Judging from Twitter this weekend, the reaction to it from fans actually proves Trump’s point: Even though they’re the butt of the joke, they defended him on grounds that he was kidding, it’s hyperbole, and so on. Meanwhile, if Obama had made the same joke in 2008 at the height of his own cult of personality, conservative media would have needed smelling salts. It would have been treated as an ominous sign of arrogance and intoxication with power in a would-be commander-in-chief. But I guess we’re already past any illusions about that double standard.


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CanofSand on January 25, 2016 at 8:44 PM

Schadenfreude on January 25, 2016 at 10:07 PM

Yeah, what other kind of different person will he be?

Meanwhile, if Obama had made the same joke in 2008 at the height of his own cult of personality, conservative media would have needed smelling salts. It would have been treated as an ominous sign of arrogance and intoxication with power in a would-be commander-in-chief

Well it would have been hard to meld with all the pictures with photoshopped halos.

Cindy Munford on January 25, 2016 at 10:35 PM

Schadenfreude and Joseph K, what’s going on in here?

Same pablum from this morning about the 5th Ave crap?

NWConservative on January 25, 2016 at 10:38 PM

Guys, as we know, I am not anti-Trump but please stop acting as if there is zero chance of his disappoint you. Things are never as you think they are until you actually live with them and he still will have to work with the liberal in Congress. All of them.

Cindy Munford on January 25, 2016 at 10:38 PM

The difference between Trump believers and Justin Biebers “belibers”.
Discuss.

Mimzey on January 25, 2016 at 10:39 PM

Schadenfreude on January 25, 2016 at 10:07 PM

Well, if you’re a troll, at least you have seniority, I’ve never hear of CanofSand.

Cindy Munford on January 25, 2016 at 10:39 PM

hear is heard for normal people.

Cindy Munford on January 25, 2016 at 10:41 PM

Mimzey on January 25, 2016 at 10:39 PM

Can Trump sing?

Cindy Munford on January 25, 2016 at 10:42 PM

The difference between Trump believers and Justin Biebers “belibers”.
Discuss.

Ditzey on January 25, 2016 at 10:39 PM

Can’t you go dust or something?

Joseph K on January 25, 2016 at 10:42 PM

Can Trump sing?

Cindy Munford on January 25, 2016 at 10:42 PM

I believe he can. I’ve heard there is a demo record of him singing when he was 18. That may be very damning if it turns up.

Mimzey on January 25, 2016 at 10:47 PM

Schadenfreude and Joseph K, what’s going on in here?

Same pablum from this morning about the 5th Ave crap?

NWConservative on January 25, 2016 at 10:38 PM

Usual suspects, typical posts. A couple of extras from Session 9 offering their thoughts.

Joseph K on January 25, 2016 at 10:48 PM

Can’t you go dust or something?

Joseph K on January 25, 2016 at 10:42 PM

Why are liberals so angry or easily annoyed all the time? It’s like PMS is their perennial state of mind.
Poor things.

Mimzey on January 25, 2016 at 10:49 PM

Guys, as we know, I am not anti-Trump but please stop acting as if there is zero chance of his disappoint you. Things are never as you think they are until you actually live with them and he still will have to work with the liberal in Congress. All of them.

Cindy Munford on January 25, 2016 at 10:38 PM

Well then he won’t be any different than every other disappointment running.

NWConservative on January 25, 2016 at 10:50 PM

Mimzey on January 25, 2016 at 10:47 PM

Nothing is damning for Trump. Until he gets the nomination.

Cindy Munford on January 25, 2016 at 10:50 PM

NWConservative on January 25, 2016 at 10:50 PM

Absolutely right. In the end, he will be just like everyone else.

Cindy Munford on January 25, 2016 at 10:51 PM

Usual suspects, typical posts. A couple of extras from Session 9 offering their thoughts.

Joseph K on January 25, 2016 at 10:48 PM

LOL. Alright, I am not up to wading back through this thread as it looked exactly like the same thing from this morning.

NWConservative on January 25, 2016 at 10:51 PM

Nothing is damning for Trump. Until he gets the nomination.

Cindy Munford on January 25, 2016 at 10:50 PM

I agree.

Mimzey on January 25, 2016 at 10:54 PM

Absolutely right. In the end, he will be just like everyone else.

Cindy Munford on January 25, 2016 at 10:51 PM

I disagree, in the end, he MAY just be like everyone else.

But the rest of those running have already voted to confirm it.

NWConservative on January 25, 2016 at 10:54 PM

LOL. Alright, I am not up to wading back through this thread as it looked exactly like the same thing from this morning.

NWConservative on January 25, 2016 at 10:51 PM

Yeah, don’t bother. The dim bulb anti-Trumpers will be posting all the same crap tomorrow anyway.

Joseph K on January 25, 2016 at 10:56 PM

NWConservative on January 25, 2016 at 10:54 PM

We live to dream.

Cindy Munford on January 25, 2016 at 10:59 PM

I disagree, in the end, he MAY just be like everyone else.

But the rest of those running have already voted to confirm it.

NWConservative on January 25, 2016 at 10:54 PM

This is the key. We KNOW the other candidates, including Cruz, will fail.

We are willing to believe in the POSSIBILITY that Trump will succeed, if only partially, regarding the two issues we see as fundamental, immigration and trade.

It’s really not more complicated than that.

Joseph K on January 25, 2016 at 11:00 PM

damn. me too.

WryTrvllr on January 25, 2016 at 11:16 PM

Yeah, don’t bother. The dim bulb anti-Trumpers will be posting all the same crap tomorrow anyway.

Joseph K on January 25, 2016 at 10:56 PM

I know right?!

NWConservative on January 25, 2016 at 11:38 PM

This is the key. We KNOW the other candidates, including Cruz, will fail.

We are willing to believe in the POSSIBILITY that Trump will succeed, if only partially, regarding the two issues we see as fundamental, immigration and trade.

It’s really not more complicated than that.

Joseph K on January 25, 2016 at 11:00 PM

We know they will fail because they have already failed. Trump hasn’t yet.

And I agree, it’s not more complicated than that.

NWConservative on January 25, 2016 at 11:41 PM

believe Hitler said the same about himself: “is a very great man. “Fuhrer” is the proper name for him, for he is a born leader, yes, and statesman.”

mathewsjw on January 26, 2016 at 12:41 AM

Donald Trump, troll extraordinaire.

Kenosha Kid on January 26, 2016 at 12:59 AM

believe Hitler said the same about himself: “is a very great man. “Fuhrer” is the proper name for him, for he is a born leader, yes, and statesman.”

mathewsjw on January 26, 2016 at 12:41 AM

Hitler promised to make Germany great again.

Hitler offered the masses Hope and Change.

What they got in reality was quite different.

People still admire Hitler, Stalin, Mussolini, FDR and the others. Of course, if one puts Roosevelt into that mix, many will cringe. “Our Socialist despots are OK, dammit-it’s the other guy’s despot that sucks.”

The programming and arrogance is almost impossible to reverse even in the face of cold hard reality.

Dr. ZhivBlago on January 26, 2016 at 3:09 AM

Obama part deux

cmsinaz on January 26, 2016 at 4:40 AM

I find it amazing that Allah is still writing this way about Trump. He’s not that hard to understand, if you’re interested. Hint: he’s not getting support because he’s the shrill blowhard that America always wanted.

He’s getting support because he makes good deals.
Let me repeat: he makes good deals. Unlike the GOPe that makes bad deals, or Cruz who stonewalls, he can make deals with the left that will actually be good.

In context, this comment makes perfect sense. Cruz is an extremist that has trouble making things happen; Trump can go into a room of PC-types, speak their language, and get what he wants.

Show me another candidate with the history of negotiating skills that he has– in politics or business– and I’ll be happy to consider them. Until then, I think we’ve got a winner in Trump.

ChicagoJewishGuy on January 26, 2016 at 8:10 AM

He’s getting support because he makes good deals. Let me repeat: he makes good deals.

Geopolitical negotitations area tad more complex than negotiating payments with your ex spouses, or the terms of your BK in court. That said, his bluster didn’t work out too well in either of those situations, despite the way above average amount of practice he’s had at both. I think there’s more than a bit of wishful thinking in your sentiment. But hey, what does ‘reality’ know anyway…here, I refilled your sippy cup. Have some more koolaid. President Don is gonna be fantastic. You’ll see.

Abiss on January 26, 2016 at 8:26 AM

The amazing thing about the “Fifth Avenue” quote is that it’s a joke at his own followers’ expense. A friend called it his “Lonesome Rhodes moment,” in which a populist hero ends up laughing at the devotion of his own fan base.

I’m really going to try to give the author the benefit of the doubt, because if I don’t I’m going to have to think this site is no longer an accurate and trustworthy source of information, so I’ll just say you’re showing what a lousy hand you’ve got and think this analysis could be reflecting what’s called “tilt” in poker…. when you can’t make rational decisions at the poker table because your emotional state has gotten the better of you. When you go “on tilt” sometimes it’s best to just recognize it and step away from the game.

lynncgb on January 26, 2016 at 8:32 AM

This is the key. We KNOW the other candidates, including Cruz, will fail.

We are willing to believe in the POSSIBILITY that Trump will succeed, if only partially, regarding the two issues we see as fundamental, immigration and trade.

It’s really not more complicated than that.

Joseph K on January 25, 2016 at 11:00 PM

Isn’t it amazing that Trump walking back his “heartless” comment about Romney’s self-deportation back in 2013 is a sign that he’s completely untrustworthy on immigration, while Cruz’s abandonment (at the behest of Trump)of his “legalize everyone and hand out H1B visas like candy” stance that he’s held for years is ironclad and inviolate and you’re Satan’s own minion if you bring it up?

ebrown2 on January 26, 2016 at 8:37 AM

I find it amazing that Allah is still writing this way about Trump. He’s not that hard to understand, if you’re interested. Hint: he’s not getting support because he’s the shrill blowhard that America always wanted.

He’s getting support because he makes good deals. Let me repeat: he makes good deals. Unlike the GOPe that makes bad deals, or Cruz who stonewalls, he can make deals with the left that will actually be good.

In context, this comment makes perfect sense. Cruz is an extremist that has trouble making things happen; Trump can go into a room of PC-types, speak their language, and get what he wants.

Show me another candidate with the history of negotiating skills that he has– in politics or business– and I’ll be happy to consider them. Until then, I think we’ve got a winner in Trump.

ChicagoJewishGuy on January 26, 2016 at 8:10 AM

Can we learn all about it at Trump University?

ebrown2 on January 26, 2016 at 8:39 AM

I disagree, in the end, he MAY just be like everyone else.

But the rest of those running have already voted to confirm it.

NWConservative on January 25, 2016 at 10:54 PM

Especially– Cruz

ebrown2 on January 26, 2016 at 8:40 AM

Geopolitical negotitations area tad more complex than negotiating payments with your ex spouses, or the terms of your BK in court.

Abiss on January 26, 2016 at 8:26 AM

Real estate, particularly in New York, is an insane, cutthroat business. If you can hack it there you can make it anywhere.

Source: I work with investors from New York who do work in Chicago because it is so much easier here.

But go ahead, tell me about all those important bills that Cruz got through the Senate. I’m waiting.

ChicagoJewishGuy on January 26, 2016 at 8:41 AM

Can we learn all about it at Trump University?

ebrown2 on January 26, 2016 at 8:39 AM

If I had my way TU would have long replaced Haaavaaad Law, but no one asked my opinion…

ChicagoJewishGuy on January 26, 2016 at 8:44 AM

Well does this then change the model of trump being like another Obama –only somewhere on the right-wing) because, at least Obama honestly told us he was going to “fundamentally change America” which he did.
What then does trump intend to do, now that he promises to become a different politically correct president–i.e. different than he is now or it could be called the chameleon syndrome? We really don’t know–do we?
How many people that would never get on a bus without a labeled destination will get on the Trump bus, not caring really where it will take them?

Don L on January 26, 2016 at 9:06 AM

The actual similarities between DT and dear leader are growing by leaps and bounds. Didn’t dear leader say something about how he gets to kill people and now DT says he could do it on 5th Ave. Narcissists like to show us who they are. It must be thrilling to their egos.

Kissmygrits on January 26, 2016 at 9:10 AM

AP – even when he does amnesty – and he has already signaled he will – his followers will not deviate from their devotion.

He can do no wrong. He is in a great spot for a politician. And if you think the congress will be in any position to temper him, not a chance. They wouldn’t with Obama – not even his own party who after a time begged him to stop – and certainly won’t with Trump.

He will get stuff done alright.

I just imagine most of it will suck big time.

Zomcon JEM on January 26, 2016 at 9:48 AM

–Especially– Cruz

ebrown2 on January 26, 2016 at 8:40 AM

HOW DARE YOU CRITICIZE TED CRUZ! HIS POSITIONS ARE UNQUIESTIONABLE AND WILL REMAIN SO TODAY, TOMORROW, AND WHENEVER HE DECIDES IT’S NO LONGER POLITICALLY CONVENIENT!!

NWConservative on January 26, 2016 at 10:26 AM

The actual similarities between DT and dear leader are growing by leaps and bounds. Didn’t dear leader say something about how he gets to kill people and now DT says he could do it on 5th Ave. Narcissists like to show us who they are. It must be thrilling to their egos.

Kissmygrits on January 26, 2016 at 9:10 AM

It’s amazing the ASSumptions and points people make when they use things out of context.

NWConservative on January 26, 2016 at 10:28 AM

Then McConnell will destroy Cruz next.

But, Trump gave to McConnell and to Cruz.

Merry Christmas America.

Schadenfreude on January 26, 2016 at 10:47 AM

could argue with you all night, but to what end? Trump is not a perfect candidate, but he’s articulated well on the stuff that matters:

– illegal immigration
– cutting taxes
– better negotiators working our trade deals
– stronger military
– taking the gloves off with ISIS

to dismiss him out of hand suggests to me that it’s something else at work with you. from your comments i read you well enough, the same thing at work with Krauthammer, Will and the rest of them. Perhaps i am wrong, but I think not.

WestportSC on January 25, 2016 at 8:55 PM

He’s articulated well?? Really?

So his written immigration plan only mentions deporting illegals with a criminal record, no others. But he says he’ll deport them all – in one to two years, which is literally impossible (he’d have to find, catch, detain, put through deportation trials when the courts are already backed up 3 to 5 YEARS, and deport between 16,500 to 55,000 illegals EVERY DAY for 730 days starting the day he’s inaugurated). He’s going to create a “massive deportation force” to do all this – but somehow still do it “humanely” whatever that means. Then he’s going to create an expedited system to RE-IMPORT almost all we just paid to deport, giving them permanent legal residence status and maybe even citizenship – putting them ahead of all the people who’ve been trying to get here legally. So this is nothing more than a massive and insane touchback amnesty from the guy who supposedly won’t do amnesty – and that will likely give democrats their massive new voting block too.

Oh, and he’ll build the wall across the entire 2,300 miles of southern border, only nope, it’ll only be in certain locations not the entire border, and he won’t even start building it for TWO YEARS – e.g., after he’s supposedly deported all the illegals in the nation already. Which means large numbers who we pay to deport will just come right back in again – how many times will we need to pay to deport ’em?

And on Syria, well we HAVE to take those refugees “because it’s he!! over there.” Oh, wait, no, maybe we’ll take some but not as many as Obama wants. Oh, wait, no, we won’t take ANY Muslims period – temporarily. Until we can figure out why they hate us. Like we can actually do that and that would somehow change things. Who knows what “temporarily” even means. And how will we implement this? Why, just “ASK them if they’re Muslims.” I’m sure the terrorists who want to kill us will be honest, right? Oh, wait, another goof, of course he’d let Muslims who are citizens back in. What about those from nations that have NO Muslim terrorist problems? Nope. What about those from nations that are our allies against ISIS, the Taliban, Al Qaeda? Nope.

You call that “articulating his position well?

How about his tax plan? Well, it will ONLY increase our federal debt about as much as Obama has. And he’s got about zero chance of ever getting anything close to what he’s suggesting through Congress. But you’re ok with that and he’s “articulated his position well” on that?

“Better negotiations on trade deals.” Which means WHAT, exactly? Well, BETTER. Because: Trump. Oh, and he’ll slap a 45% tariff on ALL Chinese goods – which WE consumers will pay. But he’s all for free trade – with massive protectionism and tariffs, which of course isn’t free trade at all. But he articulated that well, right? Never mind the blatant contradictions and obvious unintended consequences.

“Stronger military.” How? No details there either, just stronger, bigger. Yeah, he “articulated that well” too.

“Take the gloves off with ISIS.” Of course at first he said “I have a great plan that will wipe them out, but it’s secret, just trust me, it’ll be GREAT, because: Trump.” Then just a few weeks ago he was saying that he’ll wipe them out – but that meant do NOTHING, and let Russia, Assad, and ISIS duke it out. Yet he still claimed HE’D be wiping them out by taking no action at all. Then he said take their oil – but still hasn’t said HOW. Boots on the ground? Bombing? HOW? That’s secret – which of course means he hasn’t got a clue and refuses to say anything further.

And you think this utter mess of blatant contradictions, impossible promises, often no details, and flip flops is somehow “articulating his positions well”????

Rational Db8 on January 26, 2016 at 3:52 PM

If you, or anyone, is so wound up about this manufactured Trump quotation, why are you no wound up when Ted Cruz tells a group of New York donors that he’s “not all that conservative”, and uses Ronald Reagan to illustrate his point?

“I don’t think I’m all that conservative,” he said. “And it’s interesting. Reagan never once beat his chest and said ‘I’m the most conservative guy who ever lived.’ Reagan said, ‘I’m defending commonsense principles.’”

Joseph K on January 25, 2016 at 9:18 PM

Your problem with that statement is WHAT, exactly? He didn’t say he would change his policies, action, or behavior at all. He just knows many people who are MORE conservative than he is, so he doesn’t think he’s that hard right in comparison. Trump is saying that he WILL change one of the primary things people say they like about him and won them as supporters. Nothing in Cruz’s statement in any way suggests any change or flip flop.

And how is Cruz’s comparison to Reagan in any way a problem? It’s both true, and a good analogy. So what’s the problem?

Rational Db8 on January 26, 2016 at 4:02 PM

I have criticised Cruz when he has deserved it and I do not believe that he is the second coming of Christ or Coolidge.

In other words, he’s my preferred candidate, but not my saviour. I’d rather someone who has been against Progressivism his entire life than someone who was giving money to Reid, Pelosi, Schumer, and, hell, even Mitch McConnell in his race against Matt Bevin.

Cruz is far from perfect…and so is Donald Trump. At least, I can see and admit that about both men. Too many Trump supporters excuse everything he does even if it flies in the face of everything for which they have ever stood. It’s flat-out creepy.

Lime in the Coconut on January 25, 2016 at 9:45 PM

Well said, and I feel exactly the same way.

Rational Db8 on January 26, 2016 at 4:11 PM

I have criticised Cruz when he has deserved it and I do not believe that he is the second coming of Christ or Coolidge.

In other words, he’s my preferred candidate, but not my saviour. I’d rather someone who has been against Progressivism his entire life than someone who was giving money to Reid, Pelosi, Schumer, and, hell, even Mitch McConnell in his race against Matt Bevin.

Cruz is far from perfect…and so is Donald Trump. At least, I can see and admit that about both men. Too many Trump supporters excuse everything he does even if it flies in the face of everything for which they have ever stood. It’s flat-out creepy.

Lime in the Coconut on January 25, 2016 at 9:45 PM

Well said, and I feel exactly the same way.

Rational Db8 on January 26, 2016 at 4:12 PM

Trump is an embarrassment.

There are virtually LIMITLESS stories of his douchebaggery, and once he wins the nomination, the media will unload on him with both barrels.

Just wait until the news starts covering witnesses of him bragging about sleeping with married women. Every channel will get in on it. They’ll spend hours on the Golf Channel telling about how Trump cheats and then lies about it…..to his “friends” Im serious…Trump is famous for dishonesty even on the golf course.

What will be Trump’s selling point?

What does he stand for….this week? Making deals? In Washington DC? Thats stellar.

Hope and deals….that should be his slogan.

What a joke.

alecj on January 26, 2016 at 4:33 PM

I didn’t see you get wound up about this Trump quote on video from Meet The Press:

‘I am a conservative. What I say to people is this, Ronald Reagan; he was a somewhat liberal Democrat and over the years he evolved and became a fairly conservative — not overly — but fairly conservative Republican. Now, he became a great president also.‘

– Trump

Lime in the Coconut on January 25, 2016 at 9:57 PM

Why should I?… Joseph K on January 25, 2016 at 10:02 PM

How about because it’s grossly deceptive and dishonest? Reagan didn’t change his values all that much – the Dem. party moved so far left, as did the Republicans, that he was more aligned with Republicans than Dems. when he hadn’t changed his views all that much at all.

The biggest deception is claiming that Reagan was a liberal Democrat, when he knows full well (or he’s ungodly willfully ignorant) that Reagan was NOT a liberal as the term is used today. Reagan was a CLASSIC liberal, which meant small government, individual responsibility, free trade, low taxes, etc., etc. In other words, the same thing all TEA party members are – fiscal and Constitutional conservatives are CLASSIC liberals. Decades ago progressives had become almost a dirty word, so they appropriated the term “liberal” in a most Orwellian fashion and rebranded themselves “liberals” without changing their ideological position at all. Reagan was NEVER what the current use of the word “liberal” generally means.

Yet Trump is trying to pretend that Reagan was all over the map and flip flopped just like Trump has. It’s grossly dishonest. What’s more, Reagan had been a strong conservative for over 20 YEARS when he ran for president. Trump holds a number of liberal/progressive/Democrat/socialist positions to this day, and didn’t even register as a Republican until 2011. He’s changed party at least 5 times since 1987 – an average of once every five or six years!

So yeah, that bit by Trump ought to bother every honest person, because it’s a false analogy Trump is using solely for his personal political gain – he’s pandering to voters yet again with another deception.

Rational Db8 on January 26, 2016 at 4:38 PM

–Especially– Cruz

ebrown2 on January 26, 2016 at 8:40 AM

Really? Exactly how is that? Cruz gets an incredibly high 97% “liberty score” on Conservative Review (Mark Levin’s site) for his entire Senate voting record, which is higher than almost all Senators (the higher the more conservative). . He’s also rated as one of the most consistent conservatives in the entire Senate by the annual National Journal vote rankings. He gets a 100% on the Heritage scores. He gets an A- from Numbers USA on immigration – the SAME score Trump gets, while the vast majority of candidates are far worse. Cruz also got the highest score, an “EXCELLENT” from them on border control and stopping the surges, while Trump only got a “very good.” Cruz’s tax plan is pretty much the best out of all the candidate tax plans according to the Tax Foundation – it would result in very high GDP growth, excellent job creation, and a very minimal increase in debt, etc. While Trump’s would drastically increase our federal deficit and debt.

ANY way you cut it Cruz has been a strong lifelong fiscal and Constitutional conservative. You guys get on this ideological purity kick that NO candidate can possibly pass, all to smear the most conservative one we’ve got!!

Meanwhile, many who are smearing Cruz this way ignore the fact that Trump is far to the left of Cruz. Trump still supports several liberal/progressive/Democrat/socialist positions. What’s more, here you are picking at nits and wording for Cruz, while Trump has said he’d create an expedited system to RE-IMPORT almost ALL of the ones he deports (talk about utter insanity!) AND he’d give them all immediate permanent legal resident status, AND consider giving them citizenship too. Just last year he was saying he’d let all the DREAMERS stay and said his businesses totally rely on illegal aliens to do the lawns,keep up the golf courses, and clean the hotel rooms. He’s said that ALL foreign students that get a degree here ought to be able to stay legally FOR LIFE. Those are the ones that a few of them typically get temporary H-1b visas – Trump says that ALL of them ought to be able to stay – that’s about 900,000 per YEAR, and about 2/3rds of them get STEM degrees – not to mention it would be wide open to fraud. Talk about a massive increase AND he’d turn them all into citizens allowing them to stay here forever. PLUS Trump wants a huge increase in H-2b visa holders too! e.g., low wage workers. He’s also hired over 1,000 H-1b visa holders over the past decade or so too.

It’s far more than Trump simply having “walked back” his condemnation of Romney for “self deportation” supposedly being mean and heartless – Trump contradicts himself left and right on immigration. His own written plan doesn’t even mention deportations for any other than those with criminal records. He claims he’ll do things that are literally impossible time and again. So who knows what he’d actually try to do or not do.

In comparison, Cruz has been a rock with really consistent positions overall and only a very few things that might be questionable, but nothing compared to Trump’s contradictions, flip flops, and so on.

Rational Db8 on January 26, 2016 at 4:56 PM

We know they will fail because they have already failed. Trump hasn’t yet.

And I agree, it’s not more complicated than that.

NWConservative on January 25, 2016 at 11:41 PM

Trump hasn’t failed yet?”

He lies about everything. I’d call that a failure. Then of course there are the reams of huge blatant failures too:

This one courtesy of “Vennoye:” “When Trump was talking about running against Obama in 2011, the left did a ton of opposition research on him. It is all still out there, and some of it is brutal. This is an example….just remember it is from the left. If Trump should become the nominee, it will be one mass data dump!!” 10 Stories About Donald Trump You Won’t Believe Are True

Trump guarantees the WORLD’s GREATEST STEAKS, because he knows great steaks! Sold mail order by an appliance and gadget company – and were a total failure: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LyONt_ZH_aw

Trump’s bad bet: How too much debt drove his biggest casino aground – a massive failure that also included a blatantly illegal hidden transaction he was caught at:

…Another crisis came to a head in November when Trump was unable to pay interest on the Taj’s massive debt and defaulted. In December 1990, when Trump did not have enough money to pay the interest on the Castle’s debt, he turned to his father, a successful development tycoon. On Dec. 17, a lawyer representing Fred Trump went to the Castle’s casino cage, handed over a check for $3.35 million as “front money,” filled out several forms and walked out with an equivalent amount of $5,000 chips in a briefcase, commission documents show. The lawyer repeated the procedure the next day, this time the exchange was worth $150,000. Trump used the money to pay the interest, and the casino recorded the exchange as an outstanding gaming liability, documents show. But state officials later ruled it was a surreptitious loan and said it violated casino regulations. The state Division of Gaming Enforcement fined the Castle $65,000.

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Worse Odds Than Roulette: Buying Trump Casino Stock

Donald Trump’s Companies Filed for Bankruptcy 4 Times Should be titled “Trump lies – a lot” – be sure to watch the brief video with it too.

Donald Trump’s Eminent Domain Love Nearly Cost an Elderly Widow Her Lifelong Home — at a fraction of it’s market value, along with several others over the years. Fortunately he lost in court and Vera Coking got to keep her home – after millions were wasting fighting it for years in court.

Or as John L. wrote about the eminent domain issue:

Take the time to read about “The Donald” and the case where the Institute for Justice(Note the name) defeated him. Study it closely before you give him a A, B, or even a C grade.http://www.cato.org/blog/donal…And here’s National Review on the topic: http://www.nationalreview.com/… . Note the last sentence.Can Republicans support someone with so little regard for the property of others? Let’s hope not.

Then there are the numerous class action lawsuits against him in multiple states for cheating average Americans out of their life savings: ‘They’re a bunch of frauds’: Former Trump University students say The Donald shouldn’t be president, school was a scam [N.Y. attorney general called it a scam too] — multiple lawsuits in several states are ongoing over it.

Trump University: Why the N.Y. attorney general called it a scam

In the 80’s he was widely criticized for pressuring tenants to leave a building he wanted to redevelop by threatening to house homeless people there.

Trump has been threatening all sorts of groups and people with legal action for all sorts of things that are utterly bogus – including trying to shut down 1st Amendment free political speech. Worse, apparently he’s been using his corporation lawyers to do it – and that’s illegal. He’s also been taking gifts of free use of venues for some of his rallies and so on, which is also illegal because it’s essentially a campaign donation that entirely undeclared. See: http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2015/12/09/fec-complaint-trump-uses-corporate-money-campaigns-dirty-work/77066596/

Who, for all his supposed business acumen doesn’t appear to actually perform particularly well: Donald Trump Is A Mediocre Businessman, And His Record Proves It.

Or see: The 1 Easy Way Donald Trump Could Have Been Even Richer: Doing Nothing By putting his inheritance into the stock market back in the 1970s, Trump might have been “really rich” without all the drama

But he also con­sist­ently pushes for a high­er net worth—es­pe­cially when it comes to the value of his per­son­al brand,” For­bes re­port­er Erin Carlyle wrote this June, ex­plain­ing the magazine’s as­sess­ment that Trump was worth $4.1 bil­lion, less than half of his claimed net worth. A sub­sequent re­view by Bloomberg found he was worth $2.9 bil­lion….

• While many Trump sup­port­ers be­lieve he is a self-made man, it was ac­tu­ally his fath­er, Fred Trump, who built the real-es­tate em­pire that Don­ald Trump took over in 1974.

• If he’d in­ves­ted the $200 mil­lion that For­bes magazine de­term­ined he was worth in 1982 in­to that in­dex fund, it would have grown to more than $8 bil­lion today. (That $8 billion) ex­ceeds by bil­lions re­cent es­tim­ates of Trump’s worth by fin­an­cial publications.

• Co­in­cid­ent­ally, there was a self-made busi­ness­man who was also worth about $40 million in 1974: War­ren Buf­fett. Had Trump al­lowed Buf­fett to man­age his for­tune, too, Trump might also be worth what Buf­fett is today: about $67 bil­lion — or about 22 times bet­ter than what the stock mar­ket would have pro­duced.

The Problem With Donald Trump’s One-Page Summary On His Wealth Claims $8.7 Billion, but billions of that in serious question.

Then shortly after Trump Files Disclosure, Touts $10 Billion Net Worth but statement is $9 billion, and again, huge amounts in question.

Rational Db8 on January 26, 2016 at 5:19 PM

He’s getting support because he makes good deals. Let me repeat: he makes good deals. Unlike the GOPe that makes bad deals, or Cruz who stonewalls, he can make deals with the left that will actually be good.

In context, this comment makes perfect sense. Cruz is an extremist that has trouble making things happen; Trump can go into a room of PC-types, speak their language, and get what he wants.

Show me another candidate with the history of negotiating skills that he has– in politics or business– and I’ll be happy to consider them. Until then, I think we’ve got a winner in Trump.

ChicagoJewishGuy on January 26, 2016 at 8:10 AM

Really? You mean like when Trump set a record for a major publicly traded company being forced into bankruptcy four times, and him being effectively fired from his own company, being allowed to stay as a figurehead only? Were really good deals involved in those massive failures?

Or the failed Trump airlines with golden toilets built on bad credit?

Failed Trump steaks?

The bogus Trump Ocean Resort Baja fiasco? That one was great for lining his own pockets, not so great for everyone else.

The fraudulent Trump Universities that has multiple states suing him on behalf of thousands of people right now? Again, great for lining his own pockets, a disaster for everyone who trusted that he makes good deals.

How about his failed deal with the 9/11 “ground zero Mosque” that wasn’t a Mosque, and wasn’t on ground zero?

How about when he demanded a 25% tariff on Chinese goods, would that have been a good deal for all of us? Oh, never mind, now he’s saying it would be a 45% tariff – that of course WE would be the ones paying, and that would be illegal under current laws, and that if he could even do it, would start a doozy of a trade war. You think that would be a good deal for us?

The list of BAD Trump “deals” is nearly endless.

Rational Db8 on January 26, 2016 at 5:46 PM

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