How the media continues to wave the bloody “nativist” flag

posted at 3:21 pm on January 25, 2016 by Jazz Shaw

In their latest unbiased, dispassionate look at the weighty issues of the day, the editorial board at the Washington Post has decided to tackle the illegal alien problem with a piece titled, Immigration in Reverse. This one was worth a peek, if only for the number of logical breakdowns which take place along the way, but also for the way they choose to once again label anyone who supports border control or has questions about Syrian “refugees” flooding the nation as “nativists.”

THE ANTI-ILLEGAL immigrant rancor and outright nativism afoot in the Republican primary field give rise to the impression that illegal immigration has soared to unprecedented levels and that the border is no more than a line in the sand, scarcely monitored and easily crossed. The truth diverges wildly from that rhetoric, as a pair of recent studies demonstrate.

Notwithstanding the demagoguery of Donald Trump and some of his GOP rivals, the number of illegal immigrants in this country, which has declined each year since 2008, is now at its lowest level since 2003, and the percentage of undocumented immigrants likewise is at its lowest point since the turn of the century.

The editorial relies on some data from two studies which purport to pin hard numbers on the volume of people engaged in illegal activity. It’s a sketchy bit of science on the best of days, but let’s assume that at least the trends are running in the correct direction. Perhaps there are fewer illegal aliens in the country (in total) right now than a few years ago. All that means is that some progress is being made, but even taking the WaPo’s numbers at face value you’re still talking about more than ten million criminals. How that’s supposed to make anyone sleep better at night or look differently at the illegal immigration battle is a mystery.

It’s also worth highlighting the great pains the editors go to and the hoops they jump through in order to avoid referring to these people in a legally correct fashion. Shockingly, they do manage to stutter out the phrase “illegal immigrants” in the second paragraph, but it skews wildly after that. Mexican immigration… undocumented immigrants… Mexican-born immigrants, roughly half of them undocumented. It’s almost painful to read.

But their final pitch in the article may be the most baffling. They want all of your nativists to know that if you keep up your shenanigans, we may run out of illegals before too long.

Republican rhetoric on immigration has not caught up to those numbers, nor to the reality that the U.S. economy, like other Western economies, cannot function without low-wage, low-skill labor, which Mexico has supplied. An estimate 7 million-plus undocumented immigrants, most of them Mexicans, are employed in this country. Mr. Trump’s fantasies of mass deportation notwithstanding, they will not be replaced by native-born Americans. At some point, Republicans will need to grapple with that reality.

Wait… you’re describing Mexicans as people with low skills who should be willing to work for peanuts? Isn’t that a little, er… racist?

This argument comes across as yet another parallel to the discussions we’ve been having here about the Syrian flood currently washing over the European Union. There’s nothing inherently “wrong” with having nationalist tendencies and valuing the culture of your nation. Some nations are a bit more homogeneous, such as Japan, while others are more diverse. America, for example, has a broad spectrum of cultures from the west coast to the northeast and the deep south. But you find Americans in all those places who will stand by their fellow citizens from other parts of the country rather than embracing some interloper with an ISIS flag showing up in the neighborhood.

The national temperature has been shifting on this question, with less and less tolerance for foreign threats and the undermining of our culture. The Washington Post’s editors are coming down on the wrong side of history on this one and may soon be left behind.

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Why do our elected representatives advocate for illegal immigrants?

JoeHanson on January 25, 2016 at 3:25 PM

The national temperature has been shifting on this question, with less and less tolerance for foreign threats and the undermining of our culture. The Washington Post’s editors are coming down on the wrong side of history on this one and may soon be left behind.

The Paleo media still doesn’t understand what is going on.

Oil Can on January 25, 2016 at 3:25 PM

Flags

Schadenfreude on January 25, 2016 at 3:26 PM

I’m a nationalist. I put America, her traditions, and her values first.

If that makes me a nativist, then fine. I’m a nativist, and I don’t really care if that makes you turn your nose up at me. Hell, call me a racist too! If I’ve learned anything in the last six months, answering people calling you names like that with “Ok, I’m a nativist. According to you, I’m a racist. So what?” gets sputtering responses that lead to a self-destruction by the other side.

They have no idea how to debate you on the issues when calling you nasty names (that used to get you to cower and fall in line) doesn’t work.

Paradol Ex on January 25, 2016 at 3:27 PM

Why do our elected representatives advocate for illegal immigrants?

JoeHanson on January 25, 2016 at 3:25 PM

Cheap labor for the RNC shills.

Votes for the DNC Rats.

portlandon on January 25, 2016 at 3:28 PM


How the media gop continues to wave the bloody “nativist”/ flag

FIFM

The Week: GOP Establishment Doesn’t ‘Care About the Economic Problems’ of Working Class

Michael Brendan Dougherty declares: “The conservative movement has become the GOP establishment” in view of National Review’s “symposium” of authors “against Trump.”
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/01/25/the-week-gop-establishment-doesnt-care-about-the-economic-problems-of-working-class/

They care more about imported slavewagers, illegal and legal and donor/owner bribes than their own citizenry.

Garyinaz66 on January 25, 2016 at 3:28 PM

Per the Media all Vietnam vets are “nativist” baby killers.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on January 25, 2016 at 3:28 PM

Knocking all the anti-American crony media on their dead azzes will be one of the best outcomes of this political season.

Seeing these two cry will just be the dot on the I.

Schadenfreude on January 25, 2016 at 3:29 PM

They care more about imported slavewagers, illegal and legal and donor/owner bribes than their own citizenry.

Garyinaz66 on January 25, 2016 at 3:28 PM

Trump:

Slavewager:CHECK
Imported Workers:CHECK
Bribing Officials:CHECK

Hey Gary, Trump doesn’t live up to your own standards!

portlandon on January 25, 2016 at 3:30 PM

Per the Media all Vietnam vets are “nativist” baby killers.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on January 25, 2016 at 3:28 PM

Jane Fonda now advocates against Trump.

Schadenfreude on January 25, 2016 at 3:30 PM

Watch out

Schadenfreude on January 25, 2016 at 3:31 PM

For fifty years before the 1965 Immigration Act legal immigration was nearly zero, and illegal immigration was repelled. Then the Dems pushed the 1965 Democratic Voter Act (or ‘US Cultural Disintegration Act’) and that all changed.

No, it’s not racist to want to keep our country from being taken over from the inside out by the third world.

anotherJoe on January 25, 2016 at 3:31 PM

Per the Media all Vietnam vets are “nativist” baby killers.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on January 25, 2016 at 3:28 PM

Anyone who thinks that about our vets should rot in hell.

And those who have 5 deferments to get out of Vietnam should rot too.

libfreesMom on January 25, 2016 at 3:31 PM

portlandon on January 25, 2016 at 3:30 PM

Sure, that’s why he is the only guy that brought it up. Hey, your comment only exist because of Donald Trump, I think that is funny.

Oil Can on January 25, 2016 at 3:33 PM

Jane Fonda now advocates against Trump.

Schadenfreude on January 25, 2016 at 3:30 PM

Trump attacks McCain: ‘I like people who weren’t captured’

Careful Schadenfraud. Trump’s views on POW’s isn’t very nice.

libfreesMom on January 25, 2016 at 3:33 PM

Nationalism doesn’t mean jingoism or xenophobia, especially when you’re talking about a country whose example as a free people is a beacon of light to the rest of the world, and the last line of defense against totalitarian tyranny.

LashRambo on January 25, 2016 at 3:33 PM

Jane Fonda now advocates against Trump.

Schadenfreude on January 25, 2016 at 3:30 PM

It must be due to his liberal support of the issues. /s

Oil Can on January 25, 2016 at 3:36 PM

Sure, that’s why he is the only guy that brought it up. Hey, your comment only exist because of Donald Trump, I think that is funny.

Oil Can on January 25, 2016 at 3:33 PM

In what sheltered world do you live in that bribery, illegal immigration, and imported workers hasn’t been brought up in an election cycle?

Are you for real?

portlandon on January 25, 2016 at 3:37 PM

The Washington Post’s editors are coming down on the wrong side of history on this one and may soon be left behind.

Very nice, Jazz. Use their own tactics against them.

jaime on January 25, 2016 at 3:37 PM

Republican rhetoric on immigration has not caught up to those numbers, nor to the reality that the U.S. economy, like other Western economies, cannot function without low-wage, low-skill labor, which Mexico has supplied.

…Left-Tard rhetoric on immigration can’t even get the numbers right…

An estimate 7 million-plus undocumented immigrants, most of them Mexicans, are employed in this country.

…not even close…as I said above, THEY’RE LYING…

Mr. Trump’s fantasies of mass deportation notwithstanding, they will not be replaced by native-born Americans. At some point, Republicans will need to grapple with that reality.

…Ms Merkel’s fantasies of mass IMPORTATION notwithstanding, Europe WILL be replaced by native-born Muslims. At some point…when all the remaining white women will have been groped and raped, and the white men murdered, Left-Tards will need to grapple with that reality…but they don’t deal in reality so…

Pelosi Schmelosi on January 25, 2016 at 3:37 PM

portlandon on January 25, 2016 at 3:30 PM

SENATOR Slick Teddy Cruz:
Ted Cruz- “Legal Status for 11+ Million Illegals, Double Legal Immigration, Raise H1B visas by 500%

Ted Cruz: The Constitution protects birthright citizenship for illegals and it’s a mistake for conservatives to spend time fighting it

Slavewager:CHECK
Imported Workers:CHECK
Bribing Officials:CHECK

then there is this….

PRIVATE CITIZEN Trump:
Donald Trump wants the illegals sent back NO AMNESTY!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vbx693Wn5oI

Garyinaz66 on January 25, 2016 at 3:37 PM

What bitter losers have become, and what hypocritical ‘conservatives’ now look like.

You’re so totally unaware of it all.

Keep this up and Cruz won’t be considered for anything at all.

Your regression is marvelous to observe.

Schadenfreude on January 25, 2016 at 3:40 PM

Oh dearie me, what shall I do- the globalists in both parties are calling me nasty names again. How *shall* I withstand the shame?

This must be a Monday. Yep, Monday. Or Tuesday, even Wednesday. Or Thursday or Friday…

Dolce Far Niente on January 25, 2016 at 3:42 PM

Why do our elected representatives advocate for illegal immigrants?

JoeHanson on January 25, 2016 at 3:25 PM

There are three reasons:

1) Cheap labor.
Business donors want cheap forfiegn labor, so they donate to polliticians to push this.

2) Votes
Places like California give illegals drivers licenses, making it easier to vote. The democrats benefit the most, but the republicans go along to grab whatever they can grab.

3) Social security is going broke in a few years
Social security is a ponzi scheme that requires new people coming into the system to pay for the benefits of those already in the system. With the baby boomers retiring and native populations leveling off, there are not enough new people entering the system to pay the bills. Immigration in general and amnisty in particular is an attempt to cover the gap.

Magicjava on January 25, 2016 at 3:43 PM

Careful Schadenfreude. Trump’s views on POW’s isn’t very nice.

libfreesMom on January 25, 2016 at 3:33 PM

You make the case for Fonda then?

Schadenfreude on January 25, 2016 at 3:43 PM

In what sheltered world do you live in that bribery, illegal immigration, and imported workers hasn’t been brought up in an election cycle?

Are you for real?

portlandon on January 25, 2016 at 3:37 PM

Name calling: check
Insulting: check

Yeah, this time it is the candidate that brought it. Not Oil Can on the Hot Air comment boards. And when idiot politicians talked about it, it was mostly address as comprehensive immigration reform. It took regular people calling Washington to stop it from happening between the election cycles.

You really think this is the same illegal immigration debate as other election cycles?

Oil Can on January 25, 2016 at 3:43 PM

The Washington Post’s editors are coming down on the wrong side of history on this one and may soon be left behind.

Well done. All that remains to be added is “That’s not who we are,” although…

na·tiv·ism
ˈnātiˌvizəm/
noun
noun: nativism

1.
the policy of protecting the interests of native-born or established inhabitants against those of immigrants.
“a deep vein of xenophobia and nativism”

2. a return to or emphasis on traditional or local customs, in opposition to outside influences.

That’s who I am.

Drained Brain on January 25, 2016 at 3:44 PM

Liberals love nativism if its Indians doing it. They say, We were here before you white people and the left cheers. But if it’s some white guy saying we were here before those ____ people, then the Left boos.

It’s all relative, like everything else about the Left.

HugoDrax on January 25, 2016 at 3:44 PM

Garyinaz66 on January 25, 2016 at 3:37 PM

Try to answer for Trump without dragging our your favorite Cruz doll to shield you.

“Private Citizen Trump” LOL.

Trump buys off politicians to do his bidding. You know, the same evil people you accuse GOPe & Dems of working for.

Your circle logic would be funny if it weren’t so sad.

Trump buys politician to do his will = GOOD
Politician being bought by Trump to do his will = BAD

Keep chasing Trumps tail. You’ll eventually get dizzy.

portlandon on January 25, 2016 at 3:44 PM

The national temperature has been shifting on this question, with less and less tolerance for foreign threats and the undermining of our culture. The Washington Post’s editors are coming down on the wrong side of history on this one and may soon be left behind.

lol.

anti-immigrant backlash is nothing new, has cropped up time after time in our nation’s history, and has always – ALWAYS – been left in the dustbin of history.

you guys are on the wrong side of history, on everything.

everdiso on January 25, 2016 at 3:46 PM

Name calling: check
Insulting: check

Oil Can on January 25, 2016 at 3:43 PM

In what sheltered world do you live in that bribery, illegal immigration, and imported workers hasn’t been brought up in an election cycle?

Are you for real?

portlandon on January 25, 2016 at 3:37 PM

Where is the “name” I called you?
Where did I insult you?

portlandon on January 25, 2016 at 3:47 PM

These stories always come up when illegal aliens are a hot issue during election season.

See! Illegals are no problem at all! Just go back to sleep stupid Americans! In fact, what we really need are muslims … the raping kind! Feminists love ’em!

Previously, we were at the mercy of DC politicians bleating the same crap about border enforcement and e-verify. This time we have one who actually spoke the truth.

darwin on January 25, 2016 at 3:49 PM

Careful Schadenfreude. Trump’s views on POW’s isn’t very nice.

libfreesMom on January 25, 2016 at 3:33 PM

You make the case for Fonda then?

Schadenfreude on January 25, 2016 at 3:43 PM

Deflection? Really?

Focus Schadenfraud. TRUMP’S VIEWS ON POW’S ISN’T VERY NICE.

“Trump attacks McCain: ‘I like people who weren’t captured'”

libfreesMom on January 25, 2016 at 3:50 PM

anti-immigrant backlash is nothing new, has cropped up time after time in our nation’s history, and has always – ALWAYS – been left in the dustbin of history.

you guys are on the wrong side of history, on everything.

everdiso on January 25, 2016 at 3:46 PM

^^^

Brain dead can’t tell the difference between legal and illegal.

darwin on January 25, 2016 at 3:50 PM

Why do our elected representatives advocate for illegal immigrants?

JoeHanson on January 25, 2016 at 3:25 PM

Because there’s money in it for them. The US Chamber of Commerce spent $23 million to defeat conservatives (primarily amnesty opponents) in 2014 GOP primaries and has announced it will spend $100 million to do the same in 2016.

bw222 on January 25, 2016 at 3:51 PM

The Dirty Little “Secret”: The reason that politician supporters of “Comprehensive Immigration Reform” want it is so that they and/or
their big money campaign contributors, such as the Chamber of Crony
Fascism and Serf Labor, can have low cost, to them, serf labor. They
would probably prefer actual out-and-out slaves but that is illegal. “Comprehensive Immigration Reform” Democrats, like Obama, also want it so that those who are now illegal can become legal and vote for them, if they aren’t voting for them already.

Does anyone think that any of these “Comprehensive Immigration Reform”
politicians actually care one wit otherwise for the illegals. Does anyone think that any of the “Comprehensive Immigration Reform” politicians are going to invite Mexican Indios and Mezclados to join their elite/exclusive golf clubs? Come to live in their gated communities, other than as low paid servants? Invite them to their yachts, other than as low paid deck hands and/or servants? Invite them to their cocktail parties? Introduce them to their daughters?

The big majority of the Mexicans who have come here/will come here are Mexico’s lower class Indios and Mezclados, not the Spanish descendant fair-skinned ruling class [people like Rubio, which is Spanish for blond] of Mexico. This is a form of ethnic cleansing by Mexico’s ruling class. So these “Comprehensive Immigration Reform” politicians are aiding and abetting and facilitating ethnic cleansing. If the U.N. were not such a joke, they would all be standing trial for trying to reintroduce a form of latter-day-slavery in the United States and for the mass ethnic cleansing of Mexico of their lower class Indios and Mezclados.

VorDaj on January 25, 2016 at 3:52 PM

you guys are on the wrong side of history, on everything.

everdiso on January 25, 2016 at 3:46 PM

…you “guys” constantly re-write history so…

Pelosi Schmelosi on January 25, 2016 at 3:53 PM

the reality that the U.S. economy, like other Western economies, cannot function without low-wage, low-skill labor,

Mow your own $#@&^! lawn.

corona79 on January 25, 2016 at 3:53 PM

Liberals love nativism if its Indians doing it. They say, We were here before you white people and the left cheers. But if it’s some white guy saying we were here before those ____ people, then the Left boos.

It’s all relative, like everything else about the Left.

HugoDrax on January 25, 2016 at 3:44 PM

Good point. It’s even extend to absurd examples. Like Stacy Dash is no longer black because she doesn’t to the liberal narrative for her race. Which some are navitist.

Oil Can on January 25, 2016 at 3:53 PM

Perhaps there are fewer illegal aliens in the country (in total) right now than a few years ago.

B$, it does not make a difference. We tolerate, no, we as a Country encourage over 20,000,000 people to live here illegally. Each and every one of them has broken the law to come and live here. What other country tolerates that?

Johnnyreb on January 25, 2016 at 3:55 PM

Like using the “racist” or “sexist” card, “Nativism” is a liberal construct and a sign of desperation. Only those running out of rope rely on it.

sad.

WestportSC on January 25, 2016 at 3:57 PM

you guys are on the wrong side of history, on everything.

everdiso.

Says the slavery party guy, lol.

xblade on January 25, 2016 at 3:57 PM

the U.S. economy, like other Western economies, cannot function without low-wage, low-skill labor,

The only reason they work for low wages is because of the collusion between corporate america and government to allow them to come here, but only illegally, which forces them to accept low wages, if they were allowed to come here legally they could compete for the same wages as everyone else, which would, of course, negate the entire reason for hiring non-americans. So that’s why government is just fine with doling out amnesty every few decades for the illegals that have been here a while, but they won’t actually change the system, it’s also why building a wall is pointless, we can secure the border now, we just don’t because corporate america wants it that way and we won’t no matter how high a wall is built. If you want illegal immigration solved, go after the people hiring them, anything else is pointless.

clearbluesky on January 25, 2016 at 3:58 PM

Off Topic

Dow drops 200 pts. The Obama facade continues to fall off. I think the got the timing wrong through, they were trying to delay until a Republican President.

Oil Can on January 25, 2016 at 4:00 PM

3) Social security is going broke in a few years
Social security is a ponzi scheme that requires new people coming into the system to pay for the benefits of those already in the system. With the baby boomers retiring and native populations leveling off, there are not enough new people entering the system to pay the bills. Immigration in general and amnisty in particular is an attempt to cover the gap.

Magicjava on January 25, 2016 at 3:43 PM

That’s Paul Ryan’s claim and it makes about as much sense in his plan for a balanced budget in about 40 years.

The problem is that today’s immigrants (both legal and illegal) are far more likely to be on welfare (and taking more than they contribute) than native born. There are many other problems – school districts in which students speak more than 20 different languages, hospitals that are forced to close because illegals skip out on emergency room bills, etc.

bw222 on January 25, 2016 at 4:01 PM

Schadenfreude on January 25, 2016 at 3:29 PM

AAAARRRGGGGHHHH! It’s Medusa!

(*pant*”calm down**pant*)

You could at least put a warning on that thing, Schad ;-)

lineholder on January 25, 2016 at 4:02 PM

Mow your own $#@&^! lawn.

corona79 on January 25, 2016 at 3:53 PM

My lawn care company employs college and high school students.

bw222 on January 25, 2016 at 4:03 PM

Per the Media all Vietnam vets are “nativist” baby killers.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on January 25, 2016 at 3:28 PM

I helped deliver one there. Snipped the cord myself.

docflash on January 25, 2016 at 4:03 PM

“Trump attacks McCain: ‘I like people who weren’t captured’”

libfreesMom on January 25, 2016 at 3:50 PM

That wasn’t a shot at all POWs, it was a shot at McCain. And if you knew anything about McCain’s circumstances, then you would understand the context of the remark. But some people can’t be bothered with facts when they only listen to one-liners.

So tell me why I should support McCain acting like a traitor, with the constant backstabbing of conservatives, just because this low-grade reckless jackass got himself captured? McCain graduated at the bottom of his class, only making it where he was because he was the son of an admiral, and got himself captured because he was a reckless SOB who acted stupidly. His fellow airmen couldn’t stand him, and with good reason. He acted reckless, endangering others and the missions, and eventually his stupidity caught up with him. Not all POWs were like that, but McCain was.

dominigan on January 25, 2016 at 4:04 PM

The Washington Post’s editors are coming down on the wrong side of history on this one and may soon be left behind.

Libtards and their enablers in the media are ALWAYS on the wrong side of history.

Tell us something we don’t know!

txdoc on January 25, 2016 at 4:04 PM

nativism

noun
1.the policy of protecting the interests of native inhabitants against those of immigrants.

2.the policy or practice of preserving or reviving an indigenous culture.

Better to protect American interests rather than try and revive it when it is too late.

tej on January 25, 2016 at 4:05 PM

Oil Can on January 25, 2016 at 4:00 PM

Wall Street whiners praying for Bloomberg now that Hillary and GOPe getting flushed. But Trump can make everyone happy again if he follows through and cuts taxes…

WestportSC on January 25, 2016 at 4:05 PM

VorDaj on January 25, 2016 at 3:52 PM

Everything he said ^

clearbluesky on January 25, 2016 at 4:05 PM

Nationalism doesn’t mean jingoism or xenophobia, especially when you’re talking about a country whose example as a free people is a beacon of light to the rest of the world, and the last line of defense against totalitarian tyranny.

LashRambo on January 25, 2016 at 3:33 PM

Exactly. Much like making deals, it depends on what sort of nation you’re standing up for.

GWB on January 25, 2016 at 4:08 PM

anti-immigrant backlash is nothing new, has cropped up time after time in our nation’s history, and has always – ALWAYS – been left in the dustbin of history.

you guys are on the wrong side of history, on everything.

everdiso on January 25, 2016 at 3:46 PM

So would you like to explain why thinking a government should concern itself with the welfare of its own citizens, rather than those who got here by breaking the law, is a bad thing?

GrumpyOldFart on January 25, 2016 at 4:10 PM

That’s Paul Ryan’s claim and it makes about as much sense in his plan for a balanced budget in about 40 years.

The problem is that today’s immigrants (both legal and illegal) are far more likely to be on welfare (and taking more than they contribute) than native born. There are many other problems – school districts in which students speak more than 20 different languages, hospitals that are forced to close because illegals skip out on emergency room bills, etc.

bw222 on January 25, 2016 at 4:01 PM

The government uses a special kind of accounting called “fund accounting”. Money is placed into different funds and the money in each fund can only be spent on things that fund is meant to cover.

For example, social security money can only be spent on social security and monies in other funds cannot be spent on social security.

This means that while there may be numerous other costs associated with immigration, the social security fund still increases because the immigrants are paying social security and social security doesn’t have to pay for the other types of costs.

Magicjava on January 25, 2016 at 4:14 PM

Flags

Schadenfreude on January 25, 2016 at 3:26 PM

There is so much there worth discussing….that really deserves its own thread.

Deafdog on January 25, 2016 at 4:14 PM

Jane Fonda now advocates against Trump.

Schadenfreude on January 25, 2016 at 3:30 PM

Chalk up another reason to vote for Trump!!

Solaratov on January 25, 2016 at 4:16 PM

For example, social security money can only be spent on social security and monies in other funds cannot be spent on social security.

This means that while there may be numerous other costs associated with immigration, the social security fund still increases because the immigrants are paying social security and social security doesn’t have to pay for the other types of costs.

Magicjava on January 25, 2016 at 4:14 PM

…huh..??…payroll taxes go into the General Fund…have been for decades…

Pelosi Schmelosi on January 25, 2016 at 4:18 PM

(The GOP) care(s) more about imported slavewagers, illegal and legal and donor/owner bribes than their own citizenry.

Garyinaz66 on January 25, 2016 at 3:28 PM

True words. We are going to end it this year.

earlgrey on January 25, 2016 at 4:22 PM

Careful Schadenfraud. Trump’s views on POW’s isn’t very nice.

libfreesMom on January 25, 2016 at 3:33 PM

I’m pretty sure that’s just his view of McCain…not all POWs.

And I’m pretty fed up with McCain using his POW status as a meal ticket every time we turn around.

Solaratov on January 25, 2016 at 4:23 PM

…huh..??…payroll taxes go into the General Fund…have been for decades…

Pelosi Schmelosi on January 25, 2016 at 4:18 PM

FICA is only for social security and medicare.

Magicjava on January 25, 2016 at 4:23 PM

Magicjava on January 25, 2016 at 4:14 PM

You have no idea what you are talking about. After the SS checks are paid, any leftover money is put in the general fund. SS is bankrupt and has been for at least 70 years. There is no “trust fund”. That was just another federal mafia lie frequently used by our elected criminal class when running for re-election.

earlgrey on January 25, 2016 at 4:24 PM

FICA is only for social security and medicare.

Magicjava on January 25, 2016 at 4:23 PM

Right, and it all dumps into the general fund. I don’t know when the change was made.

darwin on January 25, 2016 at 4:25 PM

Both parties (The GOP) care

(s)

more about imported slavewagers, illegal and legal and donor/owner bribes than their own citizenry.

Garyinaz66 on January 25, 2016 at 3:28 PM

It’s not just a republican party problem….the chamber of commerce has very long tentacles, and the democrats love that cheap domestic help….it’s amazing to me, too, how revered Apple remains even though they built their profits off of slave labor and tax avoidance.

Deafdog on January 25, 2016 at 4:27 PM

Regardless of illegal workers, we need the fortified fence to keep out the Muslim terrorists. The Border Patrol has caught quite a few, but we don’t know how many others have slipped in. I also like the fence, because it keeps the open borders president of the future from easily undermining it. Granted a future president could try and with hold maintenance funds but that’s hard to do – there is no prosecutorial discretion involved.

cimbri on January 25, 2016 at 4:29 PM

You have no idea what you are talking about. After the SS checks are paid, any leftover money is put in the general fund. SS is bankrupt and has been for at least 70 years. There is no “trust fund”. That was just another federal mafia lie frequently used by our elected criminal class when running for re-election.

earlgrey on January 25, 2016 at 4:24 PM

I think you’re confusing “fund accounting” with “trust fund”. They are not the same thing and I never said social security was a trust fund. In fact, I said it was a ponzi scheme.

Money from the social security fund can be moved to another fund if congress authorizes it. This was done during the Clinton years. His “budget surplus” was actually money borrowed from social security.

Magicjava on January 25, 2016 at 4:30 PM

Magicjava on January 25, 2016 at 4:23 PM

The real governmental costs of the illegal immigrants are at the state and local levels. Given that illigals gravitate to low income hoods, they tend to make already failing schools even worse.

Sad, really, that – regardless of their rhetoric – the democrats don’t give a hoot about the American born poor, but they don’t. They just want the votes

Deafdog on January 25, 2016 at 4:30 PM

Careful Schadenfreude. Trump’s views on POW’s isn’t very nice.

libfreesMom on January 25, 2016 at 3:33 PM

McCain is not liked by the POWs and you don’t speak for them, nor does McCain.

Grow up. You used to be fun to read.

Schadenfreude on January 25, 2016 at 4:30 PM

2016 is shaping up as the Maslow’s Hierachy of Needs election, the most basic need being:

SAFETY & SECURITY OF: body, employment, resources, morality, the family, health and property.

Yup.

Rocket science.

I can see why the GOP Ruling Class needs consultants.

Bruno Strozek on January 25, 2016 at 4:50 PM

It’s not just a republican party problem….the chamber of commerce has very long tentacles, and the democrats love that cheap domestic help….it’s amazing to me, too, how revered Apple remains even though they built their profits off of slave labor and tax avoidance.

Deafdog on January 25, 2016 at 4:27 PM

no its not just a republican problem, but republicans lie about it and are also creating a permanent imported democrat voting majority.

saying democrats do it too is a nothing burger,I dont care if democrats do it too, unless you look at as they get stronger and grow their base with it, for them its a positive

Garyinaz66 on January 25, 2016 at 4:51 PM

the disgusting, pathetic media in this country are beyond scorn.

no, LSM jerks, being pro-America, America first, is good.

you don’t like it? shove it, inkstained idiots.

better yet, go back to your “non-nativist” shiitehole.

Senator Philip Bluster on January 25, 2016 at 4:55 PM

saying democrats do it too is a nothing burger,I dont care if democrats do it too, unless you look at as they get stronger and grow their base with it, for them its a positive

Garyinaz66 on January 25, 2016 at 4:51 PM

it’s a positive – maybe – for their politicians, but for working people, and poor people (folks the dems claim to care about), it’s a disaster. It’s a disaster for the environment, which the dems claim to care about. It’s a disaster for income inequality, which the dems claim to care about. It’s a disaster for education, which the dems claim to care about. It’s a disaster for healthcare providers, which the dems claim to care about. It’s a disaster for fiscal responsibility, which the dems claim to care about, etc., etc., etc.

BTW – I’m not making any excuses for the elephants, either. I get your point that they are all in the hip pocket of their paymasters.

Deafdog on January 25, 2016 at 5:07 PM

What would America look like if Space Aliens (the good ones) removed all of the white people, from America, and replaced them with third worlders? What would America look like in 10 or 20 years? I for one embrace my nativism! Trumpocalypse Now!

A.T. Tapman on January 25, 2016 at 5:26 PM

Someone wondered how Amazon’s Jeff Bezos’ purchase of the WaPo would change anything. Well I started getting unsolicited emails about WaPo stories all done up in Amazon-style emails. With no opt-in. I had to explicitly opt-out of this new Amazon News “feature.”

I really like Amazon, but not when the nut-ball founder starts buying a old-media dinosaur newspaper and starts to spam me with utterly biased “news” story emails in the guise of a shopping mall’s pamphlet.

I cant wait for election season to be over with, lets just vote NOW!

Here’s a sample subject line from one of the emails.

Most Read from The Washington Post: Sarah Palin’s son Track arrested at her home, girlfriend ‘concerned’ he ‘would shoot himself’

Here’s another fun item (from the Nanny State section):

No food is healthy. Not even kale.

At least people generally knew how crazy Howard Hughes was, but no one seems to get how wacko the Liberal Elite are these days. Oh well.

Neo on January 25, 2016 at 6:08 PM

Definition of nativism: a policy of favoring native inhabitants as opposed to immigrants.

Proud nativist here.

Nomennovum on January 25, 2016 at 6:22 PM

Watch out

Schadenfreude on January 25, 2016 at 3:31 PM

Damn! They’re just begging for some sh!t to hit the fan.

Hill60 on January 25, 2016 at 7:02 PM

…the number of illegal immigrants in this country, which has declined each year since 2008, is now at its lowest level since 2003…

Yeah, a nasty recession will do that.

wagnert in atlanta on January 26, 2016 at 12:51 PM