Rubio: The establishment isn’t rallying behind Trump, they just don’t trust Cruz because he’s a calculating individual

posted at 4:01 pm on January 22, 2016 by Allahpundit

Via NRO, the key bit comes at 1:22. I think what he says is half true: Establishmentarians are “lining up behind Trump,” as Cruz claims, only if you accept Cruz’s self-serving premise that this is already a two-man race and he’s the sole alternative to Trumpmania. Rubio doesn’t accept it. In reality, the GOP leadership and most Republicans in Congress would probably prefer any Republican candidate except Cruz to Trump, starting with Jeb Bush and Rubio himself and on downward to Kasich, Christie, and the rest. The reason Rubio seems to be giving Trump some political cover here is because he thinks he still has more to fear from Cruz than Trump, both in New Hampshire and beyond. If Trump wins Iowa and New Hampshire but Rubio finishes a strong second in NH, that’s just fine. Cruz will have been effectively vanquished and Rubio will zoom into South Carolina as the only non-Trump game in town. Rightly or wrongly, every man in the field (starting with Jeb) thinks he’ll beat Trump head-to-head in a long race on the theory that the 65 percent or so of Republicans who aren’t supporting Trump right now have already made up their minds against him and will accept any alternative. So Rubio’s trying to do here to Cruz what Cruz has been doing to him — kill him early by blunting Cruz’s populist talking points against Trump. The truth, says Rubio (in so many words), is that Ted Cruz is a snake, a guy who puts his own political interests above all other considerations, starting with his party’s. If it helps him to push for work permits in 2013 and then claim now that that was just a poison pill, that’s what he’ll do. The more Rubio can weaken perceptions of Cruz as a conservative bulwark, the less of an argument Cruz has that he should be the nominee instead of Rubio if they square off later.

But as I say, this is only half true. The reason Cruz’s colleagues dislike him isn’t just that he’s conspicuously self-interested, it’s that his self-interest depends on pandering to conservatives. Does anyone think Orrin Hatch or Trent Lott or any of the other Beltway heroes who’ve knocked Cruz this week would hold it against him if he were “incredibly calculated” in pandering to special interests favored by the Republican leadership, like the Chamber of Commerce? Go re-read the quotes from lobbyists in yesterday’s WaPo story about Republican movers and shakers flirting with Trump. They admit openly that they oppose Cruz because he’ll make it harder for them to do business. In fact, I can think of someone who’s done some pretty impressive calculating himself in pandering to Team Hatch/Lott. Rubio ran for the Senate criticizing an “earned path to citizenship” as amnesty in 2010. When he got elected, he turned around and supported an immigration bill that included — ta da — an earned path to citizenship. Then he went on conservative talk radio to try to sell it to the right, wisely realizing that he’d preserve more goodwill in the aftermath by engaging conservatives than by ignoring them. And then, when the immigration thing blew up on him anyway, he began moving right by insisting that Obama had ruined any chance of comprehensive reform and that a “security first” bill of the sort preferred by many border hawks was the only option. Pretty calculating, and every turn was designed to maximize Rubio’s self-interest — he was anti-amnesty in 2010 in riding the tea-party wave to victory, then pro-amnesty in 2013 after the party started panicking about Romney’s electoral showing with Latinos (which was useful in introducing him to wealthy donors before this year’s presidential run), now he’s somewhere in between because he’s trying to be the guy who can unite the center and the right. Are Cruz’s calculations worse because he’s more obvious about it, or because he’s better at it? Or because they’re aimed at the wrong constituency?

Ben Domenech offers another reason why GOP senators look especially dimly on Cruz’s form of calculation. It’s not just that he’s pandered to the right by opposing the leadership. It’s that he’s been more politically successful with that strategy than anyone expected, which means there are bound to be copycats to come among ambitious young pols:

Yes, Cruz himself is an existential threat to the established order in Washington, someone with the potential to reorient a party coalition and blow up the existing gravy train. But everyone in Washington who depends on that order is convinced that he’s a general election loser. So why the palatable underlying fear for the disruption a Cruz nomination could bring? If they’re so certain he’s going to lose, why worry?

Because the threat smart members of the Washington political elite truly believe in is not Ted Cruz, but the model he represents: that the path for an ambitious freshman politician to achieve leadership of the Republican Party in this day and age is not the normal give and take and deference to leaders and precedent and the way we do things around here, but instead to take a flamethrower to this system from day one. Regardless of whether Cruz wins a general election, his nomination could fundamentally transform the political incentives of the Senate and change the internal dynamics of the Senate Republican Conference. It shows that you can get a shot at the presidency not by playing along, but by playing your own game.

Rubio’s dancing around that here in criticizing Cruz for “calculation,” just as he’ll dance around it when he eventually starts attacking Cruz for being “divisive.” But he can’t say what Domenech said explicitly or else it’ll be taken as criticizing Cruz for having obstructed Republican leaders, which is the same “establishment” argument Trump’s been making lately. Trump can afford to annoy Cruz fans by seeming to ally with Mitch McConnell; Rubio, who wants to be their second choice, can’t. So he’s going to go on arguing, in oblique terms, that Cruz doesn’t really believe any of this conservative populism he’s been selling and that this is essentially just a long con at the right’s expense designed to give him a foothold in the presidential primaries. This is a taste of that theory.


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It ain’t Trump who helped McConnell pass Obamatrade. That would be Señor Cruz.

xblade on January 22, 2016 at 5:18 PM

Minor point but, Trump hasn’t done anything procedural to pass a bill anytime, anywhere. Whether his money influences or not, hard to prove.

Neitherleftorright on January 22, 2016 at 5:26 PM

Well, that’s my theory – any thoughts????

sjoseph371 on January 22, 2016 at 5:17 PM

It’s workable. If Cruz loses Iowa, he’s finished. Might was well drop out the next day. Rubio-friendly states are later in the game.

My theory is GOP Inc. doesn’t want an “anti-Trump” candidate to win, per se. At this point, Trump is too strong, and is not going anywhere. Trick is to allow various candidates to win enough states to keep trump under the key delegate going into the convention, where the RNC can work its magic. I still think they’ve got Romney in the wings for the convention. They can’t toss the convention to any of the current losers because they are too tainted. They need Golden Boy.

Joseph K on January 22, 2016 at 5:27 PM

It ain’t Trump who helped McConnell pass Obamatrade. That would be Señor Cruz.

xblade on January 22, 2016 at 5:18 PM

Same with the Corker Kabuki.

Joseph K on January 22, 2016 at 5:28 PM

sjoseph371 on January 22, 2016 at 5:17 PM

That’s interesting. It’s possible some calculations like that are going on amongst the RINOs behind the scenes.

novaculus on January 22, 2016 at 5:29 PM

Isn’t it interesting that the people who most want to blow up the “political establishment” are running away from the one candidate most likely to do it?

There Goes the Neighborhood on January 22, 2016 at 5:30 PM

Harold Stassen/ Romney 2016

Senator Philip Bluster on January 22, 2016 at 5:31 PM

onlineanalyst on January 22, 2016 at 5:26 PM

I’m not sure that one understands these things work, but that back door stuff is a possible explanation for where Liberals/Progressives come from.

novaculus on January 22, 2016 at 5:32 PM

Kind of ironic that so many people who want to burn the system down hate Cruz because the system hates him for wanting to burn the system down.

I said early on, I support Cruz because he pisses all the right people off.

Cruz 2016.

trigon on January 22, 2016 at 4:18 PM

Very well put.

What politico isn’t a calculating individual?

wifarmboy on January 22, 2016 at 4:04 PM

Only the dumb ones. They don’t last long unless their constituents are equally stupid. For example, Sheila Jackson Lee, although to her credit she is doing some kind of calculating. It’s just that her calculating is on the level of single digit addition.

Rubio says “calculating” like that’s a bad thing, in and of itself. It isn’t. If you’re a principled Conservative and you’re not shrewd and calculating, the corrupt, self-serving, shrewd and calculating RINOs will chew you up and spit you out.

novaculus on January 22, 2016 at 4:41 PM

“He’s a calculating politician” translates to “I still haven’t been able to outsmart the bastard.”

There Goes the Neighborhood on January 22, 2016 at 5:41 PM

I’m trying to care about conservative politics. But liberals are coming for Bernie! Where can I go to wage war. Daily Kos?

libfreeordie on January 22, 2016 at 5:44 PM

Very sharp analysis here, Allah. Not sure I agree with all of it, but it’s great.

Keep it up.

rockmom on January 22, 2016 at 5:45 PM

Here’s my theory:
The establishment has pretty much given up on everyone but Rubio. In a 3 way race between T, C, and R, Rubio loses. How can they get their boy in? Eliminate 1 of them and go 1 on 1. Going after T is pretty much political suicide – nobody has lost from within the party yet. So, set your sights on C, and get him eliminated. How best to do it than by proxy via T? Have T do the dirty work, possibly leak some opposition research on C to T, and let T run with it. At this point in the race, C cannot just ignore anything T says about him, so he has to fight back, but he’s done it at his own peril and is starting to slide in the polls. T’s supporters are touting T as the best one to win the general elections since he can bring in both Republicans (they have no choice) AND some Democrats. They lambast C as unelectable, mean, etc who won’t bring enough votes from key states to win the general election. By this time, even the establishment joins on the T bandwagon, and on the outside, it looks like they’re doing so because they hate T less than C. . . . . .but wait, that’s what they want you to think. . . . .

Enough people join the T bandwagon to make C’s numbers really slide in just enough time to win the Iowa & NH primaries. C then runs out of steam and drops out of the race. Many of C’s supporters are so pi$$ed that they’d vote anyone but T. Re-enter R on his white horse as the “conservative” alternative to T and in any case, “the enemy of my enemy is my friend.” Many C supporters may flock to R, and the conservative media as well as the RINO types prop R up, enough for him to get traction in SC, NV and most of the other primary states, riding the wave and finally getting the official nomination, thereby getting rid of their T problem. . .. .

Remember when I said that they propped up T, making it look like they hated T less than C . . . .in reality, they did so because they knew it would eventually lead to his downfall, not just because he was less hated. All the while that this was happening, they knew that they would eventually get R at the end of the ride, and all of us fell for it lock stock, and barrel! They also get the added bonus of utterly humiliating C while unfortunately C pretty much burned all of his bridges in the process.

Well, that’s my theory – any thoughts????

sjoseph371 on January 22, 2016 at 5:17 PM

I think the missing question is: if they can’t get Rubio, would it be better to get stuck with Trump or with Cruz?

Imagine for a moment you’re an establishment GOPer like Paul Ryan, Thad Cochran, or Mitch McConnell. Your whole career is based on cutting deals with the Democrats in charge. Would you rather have to deal with President Trump or President Cruz? Who is more likely to make a deal with you?

There Goes the Neighborhood on January 22, 2016 at 5:48 PM

But liberals are coming for Bernie!

libfreeordie on January 22, 2016 at 5:44 PM

I would think you would be over there lapping that up.

wifarmboy on January 22, 2016 at 5:49 PM

libfreeordie on January 22, 2016 at 5:44 PM

HotAir

redridinghood on January 22, 2016 at 5:49 PM

Cruz is disliked because he would throw Ronald Reagan himself under the bus to further his own career.

ronval912 on January 22, 2016 at 4:18 PM

I don’t even know how you could throw Ronald Reagan under the bus, since he’s gone. I do know who’s quick to throw Reagan’s legacy under the bus.

a) The media
b) Progressives
c) RINOs
d) A growing number of Trumpeters

There Goes the Neighborhood on January 22, 2016 at 5:50 PM

You know, for years, I felt it was my duty to sell these shit sandwiches to readers for the Greater Good of winning elections.

I didn’t like doing it, but I thought that, for example, the War on Terror was too important to risk a rupture over other questions.

Although I’ve come to hate politics and I just despise reading the news now, the one good thing is that I’m liberated from splashing some ketchup on Sandwiches Made of Actual Shit and trying to sell them to people as tasty and healthful.

I feel liberated. I serve no “Greater Good,” as I don’t know that there’s a Greater Good to be served anymore. So I can just say exactly what I think.

And what I think is that the establishment has to be destroyed.

Equanimous

How true of the current “leaders” in the polls, who want to destroy each other with words and backstabbing, but to me how uncharacteristic of the rest of the field.
Fiorina, Huckabee, Santorum, Kasich and Paul who concentrate on what they would do, each from their own perspective and political beliefs. Oh, for a real “Margaret Thatcher” type character. Republicans really do need a woman, instead of these adolescent boys.

leader4hru on January 22, 2016 at 5:53 PM

Meanwhile

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/690641744287760384/photo/1

Schadenfreude on January 22, 2016 at 4:16 PM

There’s a reason almost nobody quotes the Reuters poll schad. It’s a strictly online poll that that goes to same people and has a tiny sampling size.

It’s like a Zogby poll. Worthless.

The voting will begin soon and we’ll see.

Our long national nightmare is almost upon us. :)

Charliecrown on January 22, 2016 at 5:57 PM

“He’s a calculating politician” translates to “I still haven’t been able to outsmart the bastard.”

There Goes the Neighborhood on January 22, 2016 at 5:41 PM

heh. Exactly.

novaculus on January 22, 2016 at 5:57 PM

I’m trying to care about conservative politics. But liberals are coming for Bernie! Where can I go to wage war. Daily Kos?

libfreeordie on January 22, 2016 at 5:44 PM

No, it’s not. It’s circling around like a stray dog looking for the right place to drop a turd on the sidewalk.

novaculus on January 22, 2016 at 5:59 PM

The truth, says Rubio (in so many words), is that Ted Cruz is a snake, a guy who puts his own political interests above all other considerations

Talk about “it takes one to know one”. Does that every apply here!

VorDaj on January 22, 2016 at 6:00 PM

My worry is that Trump will be schmoozing with Pelosi and the Dems.
Cruz 2016

redridinghood on January 22, 2016 at 6:03 PM

The truth, says Rubio (in so many words), is that Ted Cruz is a snake, a guy who puts his own political interests above all other considerations

Talk about “it takes one to know one”. Does that every apply here!

VorDaj on January 22, 2016 at 6:00 PM

It’s just Rubio carrying the establishment’s water. “Cruz’ political interests” just happen to match many of our own who would like to do away with the bloated establishment cronyism govt.

Just because “Cruz’ political interests” don’t jive with the establishment’s, doesn’t mean that they’re only his own.

Oxymoron on January 22, 2016 at 6:07 PM

It ain’t Trump who helped McConnell pass Obamatrade. That would be Señor Cruz.

xblade on January 22, 2016 at 5:18 PM

You are such an idiot, it is embarrassing. Cruz was not in office when Obamacare passed and no republican voted for it. Trump however did support Obamacare and gave money to Pelosi, Reid, Schumer and Obama at the time.

fight like a girl on January 22, 2016 at 6:08 PM

why does hotair keep posting stories about Mr Irrelevant (i.e. pro-amnesty rube)?

TRUMP 2016

Pragmatic on January 22, 2016 at 6:09 PM

It ain’t Trump who helped McConnell pass Obamatrade. That would be Señor Cruz.

xblade on January 22, 2016 at 5:18 PM

You are such an idiot, it is embarrassing. Cruz was not in office when Obamacare passed and no republican voted for it. Trump however did support Obamacare and gave money to Pelosi, Reid, Schumer and Obama at the time.

fight like a girl on January 22, 2016 at 6:08 PM

wifarmboy on January 22, 2016 at 6:10 PM

Well, that’s my theory – any thoughts????

sjoseph371 on January 22, 2016 at 5:17 PM

Cruzers would not stay mad for that long, unless some are just being unreasonable. If Cruz had been 20 percent plus, ahead of Trump for 7 months, I would just assume that Cruz was going to win. Why get mad, it’s almost a foregone conclusion.

cimbri on January 22, 2016 at 6:11 PM

fight like a girl on January 22, 2016 at 6:08 PM

Reading comprehension missing?

Barred on January 22, 2016 at 6:11 PM

Cruz has no principles. He just tells the audience what they want to hear.

Never trust a man born in Canada

weedisgood on January 22, 2016 at 6:13 PM

If only Marco could calculate or add one and two.

Cruz does not pander. He IS a conservative, always has been, always will be. Look at what the man has done. Rubio and Trump are the make believes.

Bet on January 22, 2016 at 6:16 PM

Actually I think DT is more calculating. He has been spending a fortune paying DNC for his businesses. If he becomes President, he will save a ton of money just paying with political favors.

melle1228 on January 22, 2016 at 6:21 PM

Marco better hurry back to Florida and run for re-election or he won’t have a job in 2017.

He’s pathetic. And we donated to that little weasels campaign in 2010.

Waste of money.

Go home little Jeb!

PappyD61 on January 22, 2016 at 6:23 PM

Kind of ironic that so many people who want to burn the system down hate Cruz because the system hates him for wanting to burn the system down.

I said early on, I support Cruz because he pisses all the right people off.

Cruz 2016.

trigon on January 22, 2016 at 4:18 PM

Why does it have to be either/or? I’ve got my reservations about the honesty of both, but I’ve picked a favorite, Trump, but I’ll vote for Cruz if he wins. Go vote in the primary and may the best of these two flawed candidates win, and whoever wins they will, hopefully, do a fine job.

DFCtomm on January 22, 2016 at 6:23 PM

Cruz has no principles. He just tells the audience what they want to hear.

Never trust a man born in Canada

weedisgood on January 22, 2016 at 6:13 PM

Are you high??!!??..:)

Dire Straits on January 22, 2016 at 6:23 PM

Rush captured the essence of the Trump movement today:


But beyond that, the Republican Party nominated somebody that essentially gave us Obamacare. You know, you can sit there and say, “But Trump is for single payer!” Well, the Republican Party didn’t stop Obama from doing Obamacare. I mean, what are these people supposed to do? Yeah, in the first term they didn’t have the votes to stop Obama, but then they ran for office in 2010, they ran for office in 2014 promising us that they would use the power of the purse, they would defund it, they would try to repeal it, and every effort they made was phony.

These people are not stupid. Why continue to invest in a Republican Party which has openly said it’s not gonna stop Obama? You can talk about Trump all you want. It’s not Trump that’s sidling up with the Democrats on amnesty. And if you don’t think that’s the number one issue that’s animating all of this, then you’ve got something really big to learn. That issue pretty much encompasses everything else people are supporting in Trump. It defines the massive change, the rejection of the two party status quo on all of this.

So at this stage, you know, whether somebody’s conservative or not conservative enough, we’re so far beyond that right now. I’m talking about Trump’s supporters. I’ve got my analyst hat here on, folks. I could be wrong. But this is what fascinates me, trying to understand why people do what they do. My whole career has been devoted to understanding the left and telling you who they are and passing it on to you so you’ll recognize it, be able to stop it. I have said for I don’t know how long, I don’t know how many years I’ve been saying, the single best thing we could do is educate everybody to ideology so they can spot liberalism ’cause it’s openly destructive.

We’re living seven years of the destruction of liberalism, undiluted, concentrated liberal destruction. We don’t have to speak theoretically. We don’t have to issue warnings. All we’ve got to do is explain to people why they can’t get a job, explain to people why open borders are happening, explain to people why the Iranians are getting a nuke, explain to people why 94 million Americans are not working and can’t find a job. There are demonstrative reasons, and you can trace every damn one of them to the Democrat Party and the American left, Barack Obama, Nancy Pelosi, Bernie Sanders, Hillary Clinton, Joe Biden, John Kerry, all of them. And we don’t get one syllable of that from the Republican Party.

So what are these people supposed to do? They understand immigration; it’s not hard. It’s called the law and people are breaking it, and the people breaking it are being rewarded and given things that the people who are not breaking the law are having to pay for. It’s not hard to understand this. “But Donald Trump, Donald Trump, he wants single payer.” Sorry, we’ve already got it, if you haven’t noticed. We’ve got Obamacare, and we’re heading down that road already. And who gave it to us? Barack Hussein Obama and the Democrats, not Donald Trump. And who didn’t try to singularly stop it or repeal it when they told us they would? GOP. What are people supposed to do?

“Well, Trump’s not a conservative. I don’t know.” They’re not even thinking about that. This is serious stuff to these people. In addition to their livelihood and their careers being destroyed, they’re being blamed for everything because they’re racist. They’re being told they’re bigots. They’re being told they’re sexists. They’re being told that they are the problem. They are being told by the Democrat Party and the American media that they have been the problem since the founding of this country, and they are openly told, “We’re taking it back from you. We’re taking it away from you.”

And so college educations are being perverted with this wacko studies and that wacko studies. This has been, for seven years, a sitting duck of an opponent waiting to be blown to smithereens for all time. American and worldwide liberalism. We’re living it. We don’t have to warn people. We don’t have to say: “if you’re not careful, we’re gonna end up,” ’cause it’s happening. So somebody comes along, gonna put the brakes on all of it or seems to, and massive change in direction. It’s not hard to understand this.

fossten on January 22, 2016 at 6:23 PM

Never trust a man born in Canada

weedisgood on January 22, 2016 at 6:13 PM

This from the who you complains about racism.

DFCtomm on January 22, 2016 at 6:24 PM

equanimous on January 22, 2016 at 4:10 PM

Thanks for posting that. If you didn’t, I would have.

Ace is right on the money.

Athos on January 22, 2016 at 6:25 PM

Never trust a man born in Canada

weedisgood on January 22, 2016 at 6:13 PM

This from the guy who complains about racism.

DFCtomm on January 22, 2016 at 6:24 PM

fixed

DFCtomm on January 22, 2016 at 6:26 PM

Oh, for a real “Margaret Thatcher” type character. Republicans really do need a woman, instead of these adolescent boys.

leader4hru on January 22, 2016 at 5:53 PM

Women probably shouldn’t be allowed to vote, must less run things. Look at Merkel in Germany.

cimbri on January 22, 2016 at 6:28 PM

To: fight like a girl

Barred said ‘Obamatrade’ and NOT ‘Obamacare’!

Pragmatic on January 22, 2016 at 6:29 PM

Obamacare passed and no republican voted for it. Trump however did support Obamacare and gave money to Pelosi, Reid, Schumer and Obama at the time.

fight like a girl on January 22, 2016 at 6:08 PM

Um… I believe he referenced Obamatrade not Obamacare. I think he means the TPP.

Neitherleftorright on January 22, 2016 at 6:31 PM

fossten on January 22, 2016 at 6:23 PM

And Thank You for posting that.

The challenge is – a number of us say the same things, we post similar thoughts from others, including influential pundits, but sadly – so many just refuse to get it or see it.

Then rather than getting it or seeing it, they use ‘populism’ as a pejorative. Just another in a long line of insults and denigration offered by the self-anointed elite and their sycophants and shills to try to revise history, spin things, and shout down the opposition by any means necessary. They don’t see the irony that they are openly embracing the same tactics, processes, and end goals as the progressives. And then they’re surprised when the people react as we do?

‘Sire, The peasants are revolting’
‘Yes, they certainly are’

Athos on January 22, 2016 at 6:32 PM

Are you high??!!??..:)

Dire Straits on January 22, 2016 at 6:23 PM

how much have you donated to Cruz?

Why do you insist on going down on a sinking ship?
Cruz is now employing the kitchen sink strategy. The momentum has shifted in Iowa and he knows it

weedisgood on January 22, 2016 at 6:32 PM

Email from Cruz:

Donald Trump may have Sarah Palin on his side, but rival Republican primary candidate Ted Cruz has a big personality up his sleeve too: Glenn Beck.

Will you help elect Ted Cruz to the White House? Please contribute $25, $50, $100, $250, $500, $1000, or more, to support Ted Cruz with voter outreach and advertising!

The conservative radio host and former Fox News personality will campaign with Cruz on Saturday in Iowa as the candidates scramble to secure an Iowa caucus victory. He’ll attend two events hosted by the Cruz-supporting Super PAC Keep the Promise.

Beck has long supported Cruz, and he urged his supporters to “fast and pray like you have never fasted and prayed ever before” for Cruz after he declared his candidacy, according to Politico. On Tuesday, Beck took to Facebook to attack Trump for changing his views on conservative issues and Palin for supporting him.

Will you help elect Ted Cruz to the White House? Please contribute $25, $50, $100, $250, $500, $1000, or more, to support Ted Cruz with voter outreach and advertising!

So we are suppose to send Cruz money and Go Hungry for Ted.

VorDaj on January 22, 2016 at 6:36 PM

Fightslikeagirl steps on her d!ck.

It ain’t Trump who helped McConnell pass Obamatrade. That would be Señor Cruz.

xblade on January 22, 2016 at 5:18 PM

You are such an idiot, it is embarrassing. Cruz was not in office when Obamacare passed and no republican voted for it. Trump however did support Obamacare and gave money to Pelosi, Reid, Schumer and Obama at the time.

fight like a girl on January 22, 2016 at 6:08 PM

Obamatrade ≠ Obamacare

owww

Dolce Far Niente on January 22, 2016 at 6:38 PM

Isn’t Rubio one of the candidates that wants a Constitutional Convention?

Proposed amendment:No one that has mishandled over 100 pieces of US classified information shall be eligible for the office of President.

C’mon Marco, at least put it out there.

talkingpoints on January 22, 2016 at 6:42 PM

“He’s a calculating politician” translates to “I still haven’t been able to outsmart the bastard.”

There Goes the Neighborhood on January 22, 2016 at 5:41 PM

Heh.

talkingpoints on January 22, 2016 at 6:49 PM

You are such an idiot, it is embarrassing. Cruz was not in office when Obamacare passed and no republican voted for it. Trump however did support Obamacare and gave money to Pelosi, Reid, Schumer and Obama at the time.

fight like a girl on January 22, 2016 at 6:08 PM

And if we’re talking about the EpicClusterFark, if this is support, I’d like to see opposition….

Obamacare can’t be reformed, salvaged, or fixed. It’s that bad. Obamacare has to be killed now before it grows into an even bigger mess, as it inevitably will. Obamacare takes full effect in 2014. If it’s not repealed before then, it will be more than just another failed government entitlement program–it will be the trillion-ton weight that finally takes down our economy forever.

Obamacare is a heat-seeking missile that will destroy jobs & small businesses; it will explode health-care costs; and it will lead to health care that is far less innovative than it is today. Every argument that you’d make against socialism you can make against socialized health care, and any candidate who isn’t 100% committed to scrapping Obamacare is not someone America should elect president. Repealing Obamacare may be one of the most important and consequential actions our next president takes.

Source: Time to Get Tough, by Donald Trump, p.121-122 , Dec 5, 2011

Athos on January 22, 2016 at 6:50 PM

So we are suppose to send Cruz money and Go Hungry for Ted.

VorDaj on January 22, 2016 at 6:36 PM

Is Beck bringing his blackboards?

Athos on January 22, 2016 at 6:51 PM

CPAs are calculating individuals….

viking01 on January 22, 2016 at 6:51 PM

You are such an idiot, it is embarrassing. Cruz was not in office when Obamacare passed and no republican voted for it. Trump however did support Obamacare and gave money to Pelosi, Reid, Schumer and Obama at the time.

fight like a girl on January 22, 2016 at 6:08 PM

The so called “idiot” you replied to said nothing about Obamacare. Care to revise your remarks?

Chomsky Dance Recital on January 22, 2016 at 6:57 PM

Im done arguing with hypocrite Trump supporters.

All i ask, is that someone write down the screen names of all the naive souls that continue to make fools of themselves defending that lying phony.

The minute it all goes sideways, these same people will come here and demand to have their opinions taken seriously. I want to know who to ignore, because you know darn well they arent going to preface their passionate pleas to be heard with-

“Before i tell you what i think, you should know i went to the mattresses for Donald Trump”

Trump is going to make idiots of a lot of people and very few of them will have the decency to warn us before opening their pie hole, in the future.

You might want to go to the Taj Mahal in Atlantic City and see what Trump project looks like before you throw your credibility away. (although you cant see the 3 Billion dollars in defaulted loans, or the lies Trump told to get them.)

What a travesty.

alecj on January 22, 2016 at 7:11 PM

Rubio running for VP now, he’s knows his campaign is over.

Meremortal on January 22, 2016 at 7:15 PM

All i ask, is that someone write down the screen names of all the naive souls that continue to make fools of themselves defending that lying phony.

alecj on January 22, 2016 at 7:11 PM

If Trump turns out to be the total fraud I think he is, I’ll make sure MANY here don’t forget it.

If Trump is who he claims to be, they will make sure WE won’t forget it.

I promise you this.

portlandon on January 22, 2016 at 7:16 PM

Never trust a man born in Canada

weedisgood on January 22, 2016 at 6:13 PM

So, xenophobia? Gee, you’re a nice guy.

/

Are you high??!!??..:)

Dire Straits on January 22, 2016 at 6:23 PM

He’s always high.

Aizen on January 22, 2016 at 7:18 PM

It ain’t Trump who helped McConnell pass Obamatrade. That would be Señor Cruz.

xblade on January 22, 2016 at 5:18 PM

How dare you say something bad about McConnell…
Trump defends and supports McConnell from evil people like you (and Cruz).

… you can’t call people liars on the Senate floor when they are your leaders – Donald Trump

Or was that not what he meant when he said exactly that?

gekkobear on January 22, 2016 at 7:19 PM

fossten on January 22, 2016 at 6:23 PM

I like Rush, but he is just covering for himself here. What he doesn’t say is that Trump was donating to the architects of Obamacare at the time it was being rammed through. Yeah, he said some things against Obamacare, but words are far cheaper than political donations if you ask me.

And, as Rush admits, Trump wants single-payer. “Well, we’ve already got it.” I guess that’s it. Let’s all just lick the boots of our masters now. While we’re at it, let’s just sell out on all of our principles. If we do that, a wall will get built (with a big door) and all the illegals will be gone (we’ll expedite a process to let them back in through the big door).

Furthermore, he ignores Cruz in all of these talks because Cruz completely invalidates his entire point.

Lastly, Trump is for the establishment…just a lighter version of it. If you think the GOPe is the entirety of the establishment, then you haven’t been paying attention. It’s the Wall Street/K Street cartel, of which Trump has always been a member.

Pattosensei on January 22, 2016 at 7:27 PM

If Trump turns out to be the total fraud I think he is, I’ll make sure MANY here don’t forget it.

If Trump is who he claims to be, they will make sure WE won’t forget it.

I promise you this.

portlandon on January 22, 2016 at 7:16 PM

Alright put me down for thinking Trump is a total fraud, but only slightly less fraudulent than Hillary and Sanders.

melle1228 on January 22, 2016 at 7:28 PM

Kind of ironic that so many people who want to burn the system down hate Cruz because the system hates him for wanting to burn the system down.

I said early on, I support Cruz because he pisses all the right people off.

Cruz 2016.

trigon on January 22, 2016 at 4:18 PM

THIS X 1,000,000

redridinghood on January 22, 2016 at 7:32 PM

Athos on January 22, 2016 at 6:50 PM

Trump doesn’t support Obamacare. It’s just not clear what he supports.

Gelsomina on January 22, 2016 at 7:41 PM

Cruzers would not stay mad for that long, unless some are just being unreasonable. If Cruz had been 20 percent plus, ahead of Trump for 7 months, I would just assume that Cruz was going to win. Why get mad, it’s almost a foregone conclusion.

cimbri on January 22, 2016 at 6:11 PM

A lot of once-sensible Cruzers have been brainwashed by anti-Trumpers into becoming anti-Trumpers themselves, unfortunately. Many have been convinced by anti-Trumpers that Trump is the next Stalin (or Hitler, depending on what day of the week it is).

If Trump turns out to be the total fraud I think he is, I’ll make sure MANY here don’t forget it.

If Trump is who he claims to be, they will make sure WE won’t forget it.

I promise you this.

portlandon on January 22, 2016 at 7:16 PM

There’s two kinds of people on the other side of the argument from me right now. There’s those who just want the best possible vehicle to deliver policy outcomes we want in Washington and think Cruz is that vehicle. I expect my side and that side to eventually “kiss and make up.” I consider you to be one of those folks.

Then there’s the “Stop Trump at any cost” side who are basically liberal Republicans. There are (mostly) the same people who opposed Palin in 2008, opposed the Tea Party in 2010, swore up and down that Boehner was playing ten dimensional chess, told us Romney was a sure winner in 2012 and blew our one real chance to stop Obama, insisted the GOP would reeeeeeeally get serious in 2014, and defended collaborating with the Democrats to destroy McDaniel in MS.

Those folks, I will make sure they never forget it. They are the origin of my comment that those who claim to be experts in politics almost invariably know the least about it.

Doomberg on January 22, 2016 at 7:43 PM

Doomberg on January 22, 2016 at 7:43 PM

Just curious which one am I?

melle1228 on January 22, 2016 at 7:51 PM

In reality, the GOP leadership and most Republicans in Congress would probably prefer any Republican candidate except Cruz…

Because Cruz is the only person, insider or outsider, who had the moxy to stand up to the Establishment and blow its cover, exposing for all the country to see exactly what kind of scam the GOP seniors have been pulling on the voters. Anyone who has seen that video will understand why the GOPe despises Cruz so vehemently:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aimgwzV-77U

No matter what all the hyper-micro-analyzing pundits say, Ted Cruz is the only candidate who has already held the feet of the Republican Establishment to the fire.

UPNorthWolf on January 22, 2016 at 7:53 PM

Just curious which one am I?

melle1228 on January 22, 2016 at 7:51 PM

One of the people I think we’re just having a disagreement with.

My issue is with people like KingGold, r2b, Meredith, etc.

Doomberg on January 22, 2016 at 8:04 PM

Coming from a member of the Gang of Eight, that’s laughable.

Sandbear on January 22, 2016 at 8:10 PM

Go re-read the quotes from lobbyists in yesterday’s WaPo story about Republican movers and shakers flirting with Trump. They admit openly that they oppose Cruz because he’ll make it harder for them to do business.

Cruz was a lobbyist himself. Aren’t you embarrassed peddling this crap?

ezspirit on January 22, 2016 at 8:32 PM

One of the people I think we’re just having a disagreement with.

My issue is with people like KingGold, r2b, Meredith, etc.

Doomberg on January 22, 2016 at 8:04 PM

You’d be right. Politics is a bloody sport, but when the quarterback you hates gets traded to your team; your root for him!

melle1228 on January 22, 2016 at 8:35 PM

No matter what all the hyper-micro-analyzing pundits say, Ted Cruz is the only candidate who has already held the feet of the Republican Establishment to the fire.
UPNorthWolf on January 22, 2016 at 7:53 PM

When has Cruz done this? He had a chance to try to persuade his colleagues to join him in opposing Obamacare by talking about the law itself and why it was bad for America. Instead he chose to read Green Eggs and Ham. He has gone along with every donor class pet project — TPP, amnesty, the Iran bill. Any opposition was token.

ezspirit on January 22, 2016 at 8:36 PM

You’d be right. Politics is a bloody sport, but when the quarterback you hates gets traded to your team; your root for him!

melle1228 on January 22, 2016 at 8:35 PM

Yes. I will vote for Cruz if it comes down to it, I just think Trump can do a better job.

Doomberg on January 22, 2016 at 9:05 PM

All i ask, is that someone write down the screen names of all the naive souls that continue to make fools of themselves defending that lying phony.

alecj on January 22, 2016 at 7:11 PM

If Trump turns out to be the total fraud I think he is, I’ll make sure MANY here don’t forget it.

If Trump is who he claims to be, they will make sure WE won’t forget it.

I promise you this.

portlandon on January 22, 2016 at 7:16 PM

I think you’re on really solid ground there.

There Goes the Neighborhood on January 22, 2016 at 9:14 PM

fossten on January 22, 2016 at 6:23 PM

I like Rush, but he is just covering for himself here. What he doesn’t say is that Trump was donating to the architects of Obamacare at the time it was being rammed through. Yeah, he said some things against Obamacare, but words are far cheaper than political donations if you ask me.

And, as Rush admits, Trump wants single-payer. “Well, we’ve already got it.” I guess that’s it. Let’s all just lick the boots of our masters now. While we’re at it, let’s just sell out on all of our principles. If we do that, a wall will get built (with a big door) and all the illegals will be gone (we’ll expedite a process to let them back in through the big door).

Furthermore, he ignores Cruz in all of these talks because Cruz completely invalidates his entire point.

Lastly, Trump is for the establishment…just a lighter version of it. If you think the GOPe is the entirety of the establishment, then you haven’t been paying attention. It’s the Wall Street/K Street cartel, of which Trump has always been a member.

Pattosensei on January 22, 2016 at 7:27 PM

I think Rush is just analyzing why Trump has so much support. And, as usual, he’s pretty much right.

That’s a far cry from approving or endorsing Trump.

I remember the run-up to the 2012 election, when the GOPe was pushing for Romney, that we discussed how they were damaging their own party by refusing to listen to their base, and people were saying they were done supporting the Republican candidate if the GOP was not going to listen to them.

Again in the Mississippi Senatorial race where the GOPe pulled out all the stops to keep Thad Cochran in place rather than let a conservative get elected, people were fed up with the GOPe because they couldn’t stand up to the Democrats, but would go scorched-earth against an actual conservative.

We talked seriously about the potential end of the Republican party. And now, people are talking about the potential end of conservatism in general.

I’ve taken a certain schadenfreude in watching them react to Trump and Cruz. Even though I think Trump is a mistake.

But if there’s any question about who the GOPe wants to keep out, just remember that they always hate the conservative. We’re seeing them react to the potential of President Cruz just like they reacted to the potential of Senator Chris McDaniel. They’d rather live with a President Trump who attacks them in the media but might be willing to cut a few deals than with a President Cruz who might turn their whole world upside down.

There Goes the Neighborhood on January 22, 2016 at 9:26 PM

The establishment is against Trump and Cruz? Well, I guess that explains why those two are my two choices.

If Romney II – I mean “Rubio” – gets the nomination, I’ll sit this one out, just like I did 2012. I refuse to vote for another establishment replubican who is not a conservative. Trump is not establishment, and Cruz is conservative, hence my only two choices for this time around on the merry-go-round.

I expect EVERY Romney voter to support the Trump/Cruz ticket, as they told us that “the alternative is worse” as the reason to support Romsquishney. Otherwise, they are just lying manipulators.

Wino on January 22, 2016 at 10:25 PM

Rightly or wrongly, every man in the field (starting with Jeb) thinks he’ll beat Trump head-to-head in a long race on the theory that the 65 percent or so of Republicans who aren’t supporting Trump right now have already made up their minds against him and will accept any alternative.

Wrongly. I think there are plenty of folks like me who have no interest in a President Trump, but will take him as a last resort to any other Democrat. He’s full of sh1t and seems to know almost nothing about anything other than how to rig the big-city real estate game through the leveraging of government stupidity and his billionaire friends.

But he’s not Hillary … I think.

As for the rest of the GOP field and politics in general — is there a single candidate out there who you admire as a person? Whose accomplishments are admirable and well demonstrated? Whose political philosophy is known to you and meets with your approval?

Yeah…me neither. Not one.

Jaibones on January 23, 2016 at 10:26 AM

he’s a calculating individual

And Rubio is not — ROFLMAO.

farsighted on January 23, 2016 at 12:12 PM

is there a single candidate out there who you admire as a person? Whose accomplishments are admirable and well demonstrated? Whose political philosophy is known to you and meets with your approval?

Yeah…me neither. Not one.

Jaibones on January 23, 2016 at 10:26 AM

No there is not and never will be a perfect person or candidate.

That being said, I would say that Ben Carson is one who I admire as a person, whose accomplishments are admirable and well demonstrated (non political, of course), whose political philosophy is known to me and primarily meets with my approval, and has a snowball’s chance of winning anything.

Neitherleftorright on January 23, 2016 at 1:52 PM

Imagine for a moment you’re an establishment GOPer like Paul Ryan, Thad Cochran, or Mitch McConnell. Your whole career is based on cutting deals with the Democrats in charge. Would you rather have to deal with President Trump or President Cruz? Who is more likely to make a deal with you?

There Goes the Neighborhood on January 22, 2016 at 5:48 PM

“Your whole career is cutting deals” thus Trump is your idol, and you both have the same soul. Principles and character are the enemy of both.

Don L on January 24, 2016 at 11:14 AM

Pat Caddell is wondering What the heck is wrong with Marco Rubio’s campaign? LOL

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8knz86nNSo4

LurkerDood on January 25, 2016 at 2:30 PM

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