Oh my: Plurality of Republicans believe New York’s values are as good as, or better than, the rest of America’s

posted at 7:21 pm on January 22, 2016 by Allahpundit

First Trumpmania, now this. I don’t know who conservatives are anymore.

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On a straight-up question about whether people view New York City favorably or unfavorably, Republicans split 54/35. Huh. I wonder what those numbers would look like if you could somehow control for the “solidarity effect” of 9/11. Here’s another surprising result, probably with a similar explanation. When people are asked whether NYC is more, less, or as “American” as other places, not only do a clear majority of Republicans say “more” or “as,” there are actually more Republicans who say so than independents.

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Again, there’s probably some small small but significant 9/11 effect there. It’s hard to deny a city’s “American-ness” when it’s perennially one of the two top targets for America’s jihadi enemies.

Rest easy, though, Cruz fans: This is a national poll. Iowa and the SEC states are, I’m guessing, firmly part of the minorities in both data sets above. Also, Republicans remain far more likely to see places like New York as “real America” than less populated parts of the country. Forty-two percent of GOPers say small towns are most like “real America” and 24 percent say so of rural areas. Just 13 percent combined say so of big cities or suburbs. On the flip side, when you ask which areas are least like “real America,” big cities win going away among Republicans with 58 percent. According to the 2010 census, fully 80.7 percent of America’s population lives in urban areas versus 19.3 percent who live in rural areas. What a strange place “real America” is, to have so few real Americans.

There’s one other strange result in this poll. When people are asked if they’ve ever lived in or visited NYC, the partisan group that’s most likely to say yes is … Republicans. Fifty-six percent of GOPers say so versus 52 percent of independents and 50 percent of Democrats. I’m chalking that up to margin-of-error differences in a poll with smallish subsamples, but it’s fascinating to speculate about why it might conceivably be true. Maybe, because Democrats are more likely to live in cities generally, they have less curiosity about NYC than rural-dwelling Republicans do and therefore are less likely to plan a trip? If you live in farm country and decide that you’re going to take a vacation to a big American city, New York’s probably at or near the top of your list. If you live in, say, Miami, maybe you’re less inclined to seek out other cities for vacation. That’s the best I can do for a theory.

If you missed it last week, read Kevin Williamson on why Ted Cruz’s minor “New York values” demagoguery is actually silly shortsighted politics for a would-be national leader.


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Keep your ideological purity and keep losing elections.

This is comical coming from people who’ve shouted “RINO!” for years at any Republican who was insufficiency “conservative” to them. The GOP keeps losing elections because it has no ideological consistency or “purity.” It has moderates, and it has a base of perpetually angry “nationalists” with unrealistic expectations.

In case you haven’t noticed we’re in a crisis. And in case you hadn’t noticed, most conservatives are disagreeing with you. I don’t mean the institutional Washington-bubble self-interested conservatives — I mean the real people, the rank-and-file.

Me, I’ll settle on priorities: Immigration, national security, jobs.

Anyone who thinks Trump won’t deliver in those areas has the predictive powers of mud.

If that’s you, get out of the way and let the men get to work.

Or you can keep rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic like a fool.

Younggod on January 23, 2016 at 10:23 AM

Yup. No reason to distrust a man who’s known for flip-flopping and lying.

Aizen on January 23, 2016 at 2:12 PM

The oppo research’s just beginning on Ted — but it may not be worth the time if he fails to win IA, a must-win state for Ted if for anything else, maintaining the illusion he has a chance to win the GOP. Besides his turf in the deep red south, can you imagine Ted prevailing in CA, NY, MI, IL, PA, OH, FL, and other nomination rich states?

I’m sorry but I don’t see that as a problem with Ted as much as I see it a problem with the GOP and CA, NY, MI, IL, PA, OH, FL, and other nomination rich states. If he can’t win those states I’d say it’s because they’re too far gone, as I suspect the entire country is, actually.

If a miracle does happen, and a Cruz campaign takes off, who knows what nuggets from Ted’s past might turn up as Trump and the Dems start mining his history.

Dan333 on January 23, 2016 at 2:04 PM

And my money’s on you not having a clue about what’s inherently disgusting about this statement.

Cleombrotus on January 23, 2016 at 2:24 PM

MMK on January 23, 2016 at 2:14 AM

Ask Cruz, he brought it up. There’s some good people there, and some jerks, like anywhere else.

cimbri on January 23, 2016 at 12:36 AM

The best I can come up with is derived from “Yankees” (LOL) that I’ve talked to over the years from Up North.

They tend to equate their ability to make a decent or better living with the ascendancy of the Democratic Party.

The way I see it, the North was where the bulk of American industry was set up going back to the early days of the Industrial Revolution, and no dearth of good farm land to boot. Then there were the numerous natural sea ports and rivers both of which helped industry/transportation of goods enormously.

The South has some great sea ports as well, but as their focus was directed by the plantation owners, they didn’t develop the ship-building industry like the North had-nor the canal systems, nor the road systems, nor the railroads, nor industry in general. Relying upon slavery meant that there were few opportunities for immigrants arriving in the Southern portion of the country.

The Southern aristocracy controlled a semi-feudal society where free enterprise could not thrive as in the North. Surely this bit them in the rear when the Civil War came along.

For the most part, these Northerners in cities have lived under Democrat mayors and Democrat congressmen, increasingly after the Civil war and especially since the early Twentieth Century, or in some cities since the 1950s. Many of the Republicans they have elected were not Conservatives but in fact RINOs/Liberals.

They have come to associate their higher pay and ability to find work with the Democratic Party. It’s a false cause and effect relationship. The Kennedys and others didn’t do squat to foster the economic strength of the North. If anything they detracted from it by forcing heavy taxation for their various Social Justice boondoggles and other assorted government-run schemes. But, the association is there, and is deeply entrenched in many of their minds.

I would go so far as to say that these cities thrived despite the eventual take over by the Democratic Party, but I don’t argue with them as I’m not going to change their perceptions on the matter.

I have never seen any evidence that either party, but more especially the Democrats since they work against free enterprise economics, have had anything to do with America’s economic success. But, you can’t tell the hard-heads that. You can’t erase a lifetime of false associations and the idea that the dominant political party in your life is at best ineffectual in fostering your high standard of living, or at worst has actually eroded it.

The Leftists are only capable of moving into and taking over areas where a successful infrastructure has already been set up.

True Conservatives are at a disadvantage in such areas, because a Conservative doesn’t do “programs”, and this is not what the majority of the denizens in these places are used to. They are convinced that “the government” will take care of them and make things better. And which party is the best at saying that? Hmmmm.

Dr. ZhivBlago on January 23, 2016 at 2:24 PM

If a miracle does happen, and a Cruz campaign takes off, who knows what nuggets from Ted’s past might turn up as Trump and the Dems start mining his history.

Dan333 on January 23, 2016 at 2:04 PM

And my money’s on you not having a clue about what’s inherently disgusting about this statement.

Cleombrotus on January 23, 2016 at 2:24 PM

Let me know when you find that live girl or dead boy in his bed.

Cleombrotus on January 23, 2016 at 1:49 PM

Re: NY, CA, OH, PA, FL, etc. Wasn’t referring to the general election Cleo, but the GOP nomination, and Ted will pick up few delegates in those big states. TX, AR, AL, LA, ND or other deep red states will not carry him over the top.

Re: My “inherently digusting” statement you claim I made. Cleo, oppo research is a fact of political campaigns; Ted does it, Trump does it, the Dems do it, get over it. If anyone has any skeletons, such as undisclosed G-S campaigns loans for example, the oppo research groups will find it. And while you raised the topic, you’re the one who alluded to “a dead girl or a live boy” earlier, so which statement is more “disgusting”, yours or mine.

Dan333 on January 23, 2016 at 2:47 PM

And while you raised the topic, you’re the one who alluded to “a dead girl or a live boy” earlier, so which statement is more “disgusting”, yours or mine.

Dan333 on January 23, 2016 at 2:47 PM

Yours is because it accepts corruption as a norm while mine was ironic.

Cleombrotus on January 23, 2016 at 2:50 PM

Cleombrotus on January 23, 2016 at 2:50 PM

Whatever you say Cleo. I’m weary of your evasive and “Tap-dancing for Ted” posts. God Bless.

Dan333 on January 23, 2016 at 2:57 PM

Ask a silly question, get a silly answer.

Cation on January 23, 2016 at 3:42 PM

Yikes. Glenn Beck needs a shrink..

SpongePuppy on January 23, 2016 at 4:48 PM

Keep your ideological purity and keep losing elections. . . . In case you haven’t noticed we’re in a crisis.

Younggod on January 23, 2016 at 10:23 AM

This is comical coming from people who’ve shouted “RINO!” for years at any Republican who was insufficiency “conservative” to them. The GOP keeps losing elections because it has no ideological consistency or “purity.” It has moderates, and it has a base of perpetually angry “nationalists” with unrealistic expectations. . . . No reason to distrust a man who’s known for flip-flopping and lying.

Aizen on January 23, 2016 at 2:12 PM

Nobody said anything about liking, agreeing with or trusting Trump, boiling frog. Only a belief in his necessity is required.

Let us know how it’s going at the Santorum kiosk.

Younggod on January 23, 2016 at 5:09 PM

And here is why the Republican Party is dead as a vehicle for restoring liberty or limiting government.

TBSchemer on January 23, 2016 at 5:31 PM

who took the poll-yougov–enough said–lotsa dems pretending to be repubs

jstan442 on January 23, 2016 at 7:34 PM

Who did they ask? I mean apparently none of them have lived under a Dem rule. #formerchicagoan

melle1228 on January 23, 2016 at 7:53 PM

“As good” is going to capture a whole lot of people who don’t want to say that someone is worse than anyone else. It’s the “don’t know” or “N/A” response.

Count to 10 on January 23, 2016 at 8:29 PM

5% of all people polled believe the value of New Yorkers is better than the values of most Americans while 24% of all people polled believe the values of New Yorkers is worse than the values of most Americans. Hmm….So what you’re saying is Ted was right!

pascal wager on January 23, 2016 at 9:36 PM

Cruz really meant that he was a social conservative when Trump was more liberal. This is true. The problem was he came across as insulting all NY voters (and their relatives and friends all over the country).

His actual charge was so mild it wasn’t worth making. He wasn’t hurt so much by Trump’s teary 911 rebuttal but by the awful sound of a candidate insulting voters. He had a chance to remove himself from the wreckage but didn’t take it. This is all Ted.

virgo on January 23, 2016 at 9:47 PM

Maybe, because Democrats are more likely to live in cities generally, they have less curiosity about NYC than rural-dwelling Republicans do and therefore are less likely to plan a trip? If you live in farm country and decide that you’re going to take a vacation to a big American city, New York’s probably at or near the top of your list. If you live in, say, Miami, maybe you’re less inclined to seek out other cities for vacation. That’s the best I can do for a theory- Allahpundit

We live a few counties outside of NYC in a pretty conservative area. I can’t think of anyone I know who hasn’t visited the city at some point.

hopeful on January 23, 2016 at 11:18 PM

I travelled 3000 miles to see The Big Apple my first time.

It was a quarter of the size I expected and twice as grimy.

They think they lead the world, but they’re only little people in a little bubble who love to talk about themselves.

Younggod on January 24, 2016 at 1:39 AM

New York Values (I live in NY)

Instead of the power of persuasion and substance of ideas, this is what we get.
From governor to mayor – power feels good doesn’t it.
http://www.weeklystandard.com/article/2000725/

One step away from martial law? It’s not difficult to envision.

diogenes on January 24, 2016 at 8:06 AM

I travelled 3000 miles to see The Big Apple my first time.

It was a quarter of the size I expected and twice as grimy.

They think they lead the world, but they’re only little people in a little bubble who love to talk about themselves.

Younggod on January 24, 2016 at 1:39 AM

Sounds to me like you did the blind man/elephant thing. New York is pretty huge, if you’re able to find your way out of Midtown tourist traps.

urban elitist on January 24, 2016 at 10:53 AM

…New York’s values are as good as, or better than, the rest of America’s

I guess it’s official. At 67 years of age I no longer understand 9/10 of the drivel I see in print.

E9RET on January 24, 2016 at 12:38 PM

Another BS poll to ignore.

ultracon on January 24, 2016 at 1:03 PM

Have you guys seen this yet?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vt-vG_TdOT4

SoulGlo on January 24, 2016 at 5:12 PM

I’m amazed more didn’t take my bait. Oh well.

But seriously, if there is any good to NYC values, it’s because we’re predominantly populated by mid-Westerners.

MMK on January 25, 2016 at 6:06 AM

Cruz is right on target. NYC is now about to reverse their laws against peeing in the streets (and other stuff even worse) because it is “racist”–I kid you not. Trump will probably negotiate with the homeless class allowing pee hors or something like that.

Don L on January 25, 2016 at 6:09 AM

There’s New York City values where they vote for a socialist like DeBlasio and then there is the outstate New York values. Big difference.

iamsaved on January 22, 2016 at 7:46 PM

True. NYC is the tail that wags the NY state dog. Anyone who lives in a state with super large city like NYC knows the truth of this. Denver does it to Colorado, Boston to MA (even though the entire state is a leftist fantasy land.) Etc.

earlgrey on January 25, 2016 at 12:27 PM

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