Second Amendment supporters remind Virginia lawmakers about one thing: ‘guns save lives’

posted at 9:21 pm on January 21, 2016 by Matt Vespa

January 18th was a special day in Richmond. It was when private citizens were able to speak with their local representatives to discuss the issues that matter to them most. While it was bitterly cold outside, it didn’t stop supporters of the Second Amendment from venturing into the state capitol to tell Virginia’s lawmakers one simple truth: guns save lives.

Around 11 a.m., members and supporters of the Virginia Citizens Defense League, a state-based gun rights organization, gathered near the clock tower in the shadow of the state capitol. At the rally, State Sen. Bryce Reeves thanked these patriots for their support of the Second Amendment, adding that he never felt safer on capitol grounds; a great many VCDL supporters were open carrying their firearms.


 
 

The sound system was a bit twitchy by this point, rendering many opening remarks difficult to hear. A survivor of the a 2008 mall shooting in Tukwila, just south of Seattle, Washington said he was a victim of gun violence who saw “first hand” what happens when the wrong people have guns, while the right people are left defenseless. He was in a gun-free zone and the only thought going through his head was where’s my gun?

As the sound system came alive, Delegate Rob Bell and Scott Taylor gave brief remarks as well. Bell, who is set to run against incumbent Democratic Attorney General Mark Herring, slammed his job performance, calling him hostile to Second Amendment rights. He pledged to work for the next 55 days to fix the damage he’s done; Herring recently altered the state’s concealed carry laws–stripping reciprocity with nearly 26 states starting in February. Bell mentioned that it’s time to give AG Herring “no more years” in office when 2017 rolls around.

Delegate Taylor, a former Navy SEAL, said he plans to put forward a bill that would allow National Guardsmen who have obtained a concealed carry permit to carry their firearms in the state; an appropriations bill that will roll back AG Herring’s anti-gun actions and a law that will bar Virginia from recognizing other anti-gun proposals implemented through executive action elsewhere in the country. Shak Hill, a U.S. Air Force veteran and co-chair for Sen. Ted Cruz’s Virginia Leadership Team, also thanked the crowd for all that they do to keep our gun rights safe and added that he’s “very pleased to be packing” at the event.

The special guest of the day was Shaneen Allen, who was incarcerated for 48 days after she accidentally brought her firearm into New Jersey. Allen had been robbed twice, prompting her to obtain a concealed carry permit and a handgun. Yet Allen is a Pennsylvania resident; there is no CCW reciprocity with the Garden State. Allen claims she was racially profiled during a traffic stop, where she ventured into Jersey to set up for a birthday party for one of her kids. While searching through her bag to hand the officer her driver’s license, she felt her handgun. In a panicked state, Allen told the officer that she had a permit and that her firearm was on her person. She was then placed under arrest. She faced a maximum 12-year jail sentence, with a minimum of serving three and half years for illegal possession of a firearm.

Allen thanked the crowd for getting involved after hearing her story. Gun rights activism is partially responsible for Gov. Chris Christie offering a pardon for Allen; she thanked him in her remarks. Yet, she had two very important rules for gun owners and CCW holders: don’t go into New Jersey or Maryland (which drew laughter) and learn the gun laws of any state that you might wander into while traveling.

She also learned something new about New Jersey’s firearms laws while in custody–you need to have the entire firearm disassembled and locked in a separate container while in transit, which leaves the driver absolutely defenseless if confronted with a self-defense situation. She quipped that in New Jersey, only the police and the criminals can be legally armed.

In another observation, Allen learned that every inmate she encountered had a probation officer, they knew each other, and were in jail for much more egregious offenses. Allen said that some had molested children and were being released sooner than her. She also mentioned that most of the inmates told her that she shouldn’t be in prison for her mistake.

Allen finally mentioned Jersey’s Pretrial Intervention Program (PTI), which allows a defendant to seek “opportunities for alternatives (usually rehabilitative services) to the traditional criminal justice process of ordinary prosecution.” It also prevents that person from having a criminal record. Ray Rice was afforded that opportunity because he had money; Allen was not as lucky. In New Jersey, wife beaters get off lightly, while ordinary, law-abiding citizens get put through the grinder for making honest mistakes. That’s not a winning narrative for anti-gun liberals. Yes, Allen broke the law, but the PTI is usually directed towards first-time offenders like her. How the state handled the situation was utterly ridiculous, and the crowd was enthused and moved by her story.

While in holding, Allen was locked up for 20 hours a day. Four hours was the only time she had to eat, wash up, and speak with her kids. She told the crowd that she hopes to establish a nationwide non-profit dedicated to guiding women who are interested in obtaining their concealed carry permits, along with firearm safety.

As the rally wound down, Congressman David Brat (R-VA), who booted Rep. Eric Cantor (R-VA) in the 2014 primary, spoke briefly saying that many get our Second Amendment rights wrong. He aptly noted that the Second Amendment doesn’t grant us the right to bear arms; it says that right shall not be infringed. Why? Because it is a natural, God-given right that precedes government. He also voiced his support for gun reciprocity legislation for all 50 states, especially in Washington D.C.

As Lobby Day for the VCDL came to a close, the organization’s president, Philip Van Cleave, offered a warning to the Democratic Party who he feels (and he’s probably right) is becoming the party of gun control. It’s already the party of abortion and it’s now trying to firmly entrench itself on another intense social issue. There are 48 gun control bills being introduced this session. Some are duplicates or triplets of what’s already been introduced. Van Cleave also reminded the attendees that this is a bipartisan issue. There are a lot of Democrats who are gun owners, who feel very much the same way as the VCDL on Second Amendment rights. He also noted that many in the Democratic Party establishment have worked hard to purge pro-gun Democrats from their elected positions.

Most importantly, gun control isn’t about safety, or saving kids–it’s about control. Van Cleave said that there are many other issues where the Democrats and Republicans can differentiate themselves to the electorate; the Second Amendment shouldn’t be one of them. On some things, we should stand together.

“This is our heritage,” he said. The Democratic Party should back away from gun control. Earlier that day, Van Cleave also mentioned that three Democrats–State Sens. John Edwards, Lynwood Lewis, and Chap Petersen–had signed onto SB 610, which would honor a concealed carry permit holder from any state as long as the person is at least 21 years of age. This total recognition piece of legislation is going to be vetoed by McAuliffe, but standing firm with these three pro-gun Democrats in the state senate is key to building support for an override.

Republicans just need two-thirds majority in both chambers to override. Those three Democrats in the Senate are key to fixing the concealed carry fiasco created by Herring.


Related Posts:

Breaking on Hot Air

Blowback

Trackbacks/Pings

Trackback URL

Comments

I’m looking forward to the day when all Americans start reminding politicians and their puppet masters of the real reason for the second amendment.

MMK on January 21, 2016 at 9:24 PM

He aptly noted that the Second Amendment doesn’t grant us the right to bear arms; it says that right shall not be infringed. Why? Because it is a natural, God-given right that precedes government.

This fundamental concept from the Founding of America is purposefully not being taught in public schools anymore, so that the next generation of citizens will not even be aware of the legacy of liberty bequeathed to them by their ancestors.

I think that in itself is a criminal act.

Brian1972 on January 21, 2016 at 9:34 PM

Mark Herring is a snake. I thought McAuful was going to be the bigger problems with 2A issues, but this Herring douche just undid decades of good work on reciprocity. I am LIVID!

bernzright777 on January 21, 2016 at 9:35 PM

A tyrannical gummint and judiciary fears an armed populace.

A tyrannical gummint and judiciary don’t fear a disarmed populace.

Any questions?

viking01 on January 21, 2016 at 9:42 PM

She also learned something new about New Jersey’s firearms laws while in custody–you need to have the entire firearm disassembled and locked in a separate container while in transit… [emphasis added}

I don’t know what New Jersey gun law says and I frankly don’t give a shit. Federal law protects lawful owners in transit from one place where they are in lawful possession of their firearms to another as the pass through jurisdictions that would otherwise make their possession of the firearm(s) unlawful. That law only requires the fireareams be unloaded, secured and inaccessible, not completely disassembled.

A provision of the federal law known as the Firearms Owners’ Protection Act, or FOPA, protects those who are transporting firearms for lawful purposes from local restrictions which would otherwise prohibit passage.

Under FOPA, notwithstanding any state or local law, a person is entitled to transport a firearm from any place where he or she may lawfully possess and carry such firearm to any other place where he or she may lawfully possess and carry it, if the firearm is unloaded and locked out of reach. In vehicles without a trunk, the unloaded firearm must be in a locked container other than the glove compartment or console. Ammunition that is either locked out of reach in the trunk or in a locked container other than the glove compartment or console is also covered.

novaculus on January 21, 2016 at 9:45 PM

Powerful vid…

OmahaConservative on January 21, 2016 at 9:47 PM

If the meeting in Richmond doesn’t teach the politicians to respect the 2nd Amendment a future meeting will probably be held at Manassas.

viking01 on January 21, 2016 at 10:04 PM

I don’t know what New Jersey gun law says and I frankly don’t give a shit. Federal law protects lawful owners in transit from one place where they are in lawful possession of their firearms to another as the pass through jurisdictions that would otherwise make their possession of the firearm(s) unlawful.

novaculus on January 21, 2016 at 9:45 PM

Yep, it sure does. Protected the hell out of her didn’t it. Think about how long she’d have been in jail if she hadn’t been protected by that wonderful, effective federal law. Also good thing Jersey understands the second amendment and what “Shall not be infringed” means and strictly adheres to it.

Oldnuke on January 21, 2016 at 10:07 PM

I sincerely hope that I don’t have to repost the short list of the myriad times the national Socialist Left has agitated for #Confiscation.

Torcert on January 21, 2016 at 10:10 PM

I don’t know what New Jersey gun law says and I frankly don’t give a shit. Federal law protects lawful owners in transit from one place where they are in lawful possession of their firearms to another as the pass through jurisdictions that would otherwise make their possession of the firearm(s) unlawful.

novaculus on January 21, 2016 at 9:45 PM

Yep, it sure does. Protected the hell out of her didn’t it. Think about how long she’d have been in jail if she hadn’t been protected by that wonderful, effective federal law. Also good thing Jersey understands the second amendment and what “Shall not be infringed” means and strictly adheres to it.

Oldnuke on January 21, 2016 at 10:07 PM

No one seriously thinks our constitutionally guaranteed rights mean anything in this day and age, do they?

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/21/nyregion/ex-marine-from-indiana-takes-plea-deal-on-new-york-gun-charge.html

MMK on January 21, 2016 at 10:11 PM

Oldnuke on January 21, 2016 at 10:07 PM

She wasn’t following the FOPA, my friend. She had the gun in her purse, loaded.

novaculus on January 21, 2016 at 10:17 PM

Oldnuke on January 21, 2016 at 10:07 PM

She wasn’t following the FOPA, my friend. She had the gun in her purse, loaded.

novaculus on January 21, 2016 at 10:17 PM

True, but she was in line with The Constitution wasn’t she, my friend. She has the God given right to keep and bear arms which shall not be infringed. Seems to me like Jersey infringed the crap out of her rights. I think the cop who arrested her, the judge who sentenced her and anyone else in between should be in jail right now for violating her rights.

Oldnuke on January 21, 2016 at 10:23 PM

NJ is a complete disgrace for gun rights. Why the supreme court refused to hear a challenge of them is beyond me. About 1500 people out of 6M or so have CC. Don;t even try to get it here. You might as well be the character in Franz Kafka’s book. The democrats in NJ are especially loathsome pieces of garbage.

scharlesc on January 21, 2016 at 10:37 PM

Nice clip. God Bless America

SansJeux on January 21, 2016 at 10:39 PM

Congressman David Brat (R-VA), who booted Rep. Eric Cantor (R-VA) in the 2014 primary, spoke briefly saying that many get our Second Amendment rights wrong. He aptly noted that the Second Amendment doesn’t grant us the right to bear arms; it says that right shall not be infringed. Why? Because it is a natural, God-given right that precedes government. He also voiced his support for gun reciprocity legislation for all 50 states, especially in Washington D.C.

Just thought I’d bump this.

AesopFan on January 21, 2016 at 11:17 PM

“…when police (NJ) located him, they searched his car and found two locked and unloaded (legally purchased in Colorado) handguns in his trunk”

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/12/02/new-jersey-gun-case-highlights-patchwork-state-gun-laws-relatives-experts-say.html

Novaculus, neither Federal law nor the Constitution apply to us that live in the Peoples Republik of NJ, yet to listen to Christie (spit) he’s made gun ownership and CC easy peasy, (while he takes time out from campaigning to grant clemency to already innocent, legal gun owning citizens.

AppraisHer on January 21, 2016 at 11:43 PM

This fundamental concept from the Founding of America is purposefully not being taught in public schools anymore, so that the next generation of citizens will not even be aware of the legacy of liberty bequeathed to them by their ancestors.

I think that in itself is a criminal act.

Brian1972 on January 21, 2016 at 9:34 PM

That’s because the entire concept of natural rights is idiotic. Nature doesn’t not give you the right to a gun. If it did everyone in the world would have such a right but they don’t. Yes I know you’ll claim they secretly do have the right but that’s again idiotic. Rights are defended and maintained by social structures. It is precisely that which makes them rights.

Tlaloc on January 22, 2016 at 12:30 AM

NJ is a complete disgrace for gun rights. Why the supreme court refused to hear a challenge of them is beyond me. About 1500 people out of 6M or so have CC. Don;t even try to get it here. You might as well be the character in Franz Kafka’s book. The democrats in NJ are especially loathsome pieces of garbage.

scharlesc on January 21, 2016 at 10:37 PM

Aww, you can’t go on a shooting spree. That must suck for you.

Tlaloc on January 22, 2016 at 12:31 AM

Aww, you can’t go on a shooting spree. That must suck for you.

Tlaloc on January 22, 2016 at 12:31 AM

Vile.

hillbillyjim on January 22, 2016 at 2:04 AM

Rights are defended and maintained by social structures. It is precisely that which makes them rights.

No they are maintained by people who value them and not the institutions charged with protecting them, ultimately because the institutions will fail.

nobar on January 22, 2016 at 2:29 AM

Democrats are all about the pacification of the indigenous population.

kurtzz3 on January 22, 2016 at 2:48 AM

Trollcott.

CurtZHP on January 22, 2016 at 7:24 AM

No they are maintained by people who value them and not the institutions charged with protecting them, ultimately because the institutions will fail.

nobar on January 22, 2016 at 2:29 AM

Don’t bother. He’d rather be a subject than a citizen. It requires less effort and personal responsibility.

CurtZHP on January 22, 2016 at 7:33 AM

That’s because the entire concept of natural rights is idiotic. —- Rights are defended and maintained by social structures. It is precisely that which makes them rights.

Tlaloc on January 22, 2016 at 12:30 AM

Thank you for admitting that you have a “narrow and naive view of government.”

You are on record as saying that humans have no natural rights other than to die, that all the rights we think we have are actually just legal constructs built and maintained by government, in other words by the threat and actuality of force.

That’s a narrow and naive view of government.

Tlaloc on January 13, 2016 at 8:21 PM

GrumpyOldFart on January 22, 2016 at 8:54 AM

That’s because the entire concept of natural rights is idiotic. Nature doesn’t not give you the right to a gun. If it did everyone in the world would have such a right but they don’t. Yes I know you’ll claim they secretly do have the right but that’s again idiotic. Rights are defended and maintained by social structures. It is precisely that which makes them rights.

Tlaloc on January 22, 2016 at 12:30 AM

Wow, this is an amazing display of thunderous ignorance. The time it would take to explain all the ways you are completely wrong is better spent elsewhere though.

Have fun in your little dum-dum world….

Hank_Scorpio on January 22, 2016 at 10:35 AM

Rights are defended and maintained by social structures.

Tlaloc on January 22, 2016 at 12:30 AM

Yes, correct.

It is precisely that which makes them rights.

Absolutely, totally, 100% wrong.

What makes them rights is their natural origin (for the Founders and so many since then, that would be our Creator), without which they are nothing more than privileges.

GWB on January 22, 2016 at 11:15 AM

He’d rather be a subject than a citizen.

CurtZHP on January 22, 2016 at 7:33 AM

Disagree, Curt. He’d rather be part of the tyranny than be a citizen. It’s his ignorance that won’t let him see he will be a subject and not one of the elite.

GWB on January 22, 2016 at 11:17 AM

Nature doesn’t not give you the right to a gun.

It’s not a right to “a gun”. It’s a right to bear arms, the right to defend yourself, your family and your property in a way you deem appropriate.

Rights are defended and maintained by social structures. It is precisely that which makes them rights.

Tlaloc on January 22, 2016 at 12:30 AM

Defended and maintained. Not bestowed or granted.

The only conceivable kind of right is a natural (read: inherent) one. Anything else is by definition not a right, only a privilege.

The Schaef on January 22, 2016 at 11:22 AM

Aww, you can’t go on a shooting spree. That must suck for you.

Tlaloc on January 22, 2016 at 12:31 AM

Nobody is arguing for the right to go on a shooting spree.

Again, you cannot refute a point without lying about the other person.

The Schaef on January 22, 2016 at 11:23 AM

I sincerely hope that I don’t have to repost the short list of the myriad times the national Socialist Left has agitated for #Confiscation.
Torcert on January 21, 2016 at 10:10 PM

Why not do it at every opportunity? It would be a community service, and it really doesn’t waste enough electrons to make a difference…!

RL on January 22, 2016 at 11:28 AM

The Schaef on January 22, 2016 at 11:22 AM

Heh. I beat you to it, this time. ;)

GWB on January 22, 2016 at 11:32 AM

Looks that way. Doesn’t matter. This article was published yesterday; Tlaloc will never return to this thread or acknowledge that anything appearing on here ever existed. It is dead to him.

The Schaef on January 22, 2016 at 11:34 AM

The only conceivable kind of right is a natural (read: inherent) one. Anything else is by definition not a right, only a privilege.

The Schaef on January 22, 2016 at 11:22 AM

And therein is the final comment on the moronic, smug, idiocy of those whose mindless drivel is probably not worth addressing [good try, though].

They simply do not have the ethical, moral, or educational background to distinguish between the concepts of rights and privileges, nor do they have the intellectual wherewithal to engage in meaningful discussion about them – only that their imagined, self-appointed godhood precludes anyone else from having a different point of view and thereby allows them to dismiss and denigrate – without any justification – those who do.

RL on January 22, 2016 at 11:38 AM

The Schaef on January 22, 2016 at 11:34 AM

RL on January 22, 2016 at 11:38 AM

True that Tlaloc won’t be swayed. But, it might help someone reading this who has never seriously considered the issue and still has the capacity to learn. So, don’t engage the trolls, but do engage their arguments in order to hone our own arguments and possibly teach others.

GWB on January 22, 2016 at 12:13 PM

Aww, you can’t go on a shooting spree. That must suck for you.

Tlaloc on January 22, 2016 at 12:31 AM

Why don’t the moderators ban this vile piece of crap?

Now he’s started accusing other commenters of being spree killers.

What’s not ban-worthy about that

(Other than being click-bait, of course. Thanks, Salem.)

Solaratov on January 22, 2016 at 12:58 PM

MMK on January 21, 2016 at 9:24 PM

Guillotines are cheap and very effective.

earlgrey on January 22, 2016 at 1:45 PM

Why don’t the moderators ban this vile piece of crap?

Solaratov on January 22, 2016 at 12:58 PM

Stop sounding like a leftist.

earlgrey on January 22, 2016 at 1:46 PM