Great news: nearly half of all aliens left the US last year after their visas expired

posted at 2:41 pm on January 20, 2016 by Jazz Shaw

While it would be nice to get our borders under control and stem the tide of people who take the rather direct route into our country of jumping fences, such a move doesn’t do anything to address the question of people who obtain a visa to visit and simply never leave. Is that really much of a problem? Well, if you ask the Department of Homeland Security it is. Last year alone, more than half of the people who arrived with a valid visa failed to leave when their time was up. (Washington Free Beacon.)

More than half a million aliens overstayed their temporary visas in the United States in 2015, with more than 482,000 of those individuals believed to be still residing illegally in the United States, according to a new report by the Department of Homeland Security.

Around 527,127 aliens temporally granted U.S. business and tourist visas were found to have stayed in the United States longer than legally permitted, according to DHS’s 2015 entry and exit overstay report.

Of those who did not leave the United States on time, around 482,781 are believed to still be illegally residing in the United States, according to the report, which was issued by DHS amid debate in Congress over an Obama administration initiative to permit around 170,000 new immigrants from Muslim-majority nations in 2016.

Are you serious? Nearly half a million people came here “legally” with a visa last year and just stayed. (Illegally.) And that’s in a single year. A 2015 study concluded that 1.5 million to 1.7 million illegal immigrants arrived in the United States from 2009 through 2013. Even taking the outside number, that average will tell you, as the study concluded, that people using visas as a throwaway, safe method of getting inside the country is probably as great of a border control failure as those climbing fences, if not even more so.

Sure, everyone had a good laugh when Chris Christie suggested some sort of bio-metric monitoring scheme similar to FedEx package tracking for those arriving here on a visa, but we’ve obviously passed the point where some new options have to be considered. Yes, I realize that tagging people to track their movements sounds like something out of a dystopian future sci-fi film. And, of course, any suggesting of tracking people at all is automatically considered racist or xenophobic or what have you, but the alternative is essentially doing nothing.

In theory, if you overstay your visa there are serious consequences, including being barred from future entry to the United States for as long as ten years. That sounds great, but how likely is it that you’ll be caught? Do we even have anyone in charge of issuing bench warrants for every person who fails to leave the country at the end of their legal stay? I can’t even find any solid data on that question, but if we do then we should assume that there were nearly half a million new bench warrants issued last year alone. I’m sure they did it for some, but color me skeptical that every last one of them has been properly entered into the system.

As Washington once again wrestles with the President’s executive action on “immigration reform” this week, perhaps they could bring up this question. It’s certainly worth a look.

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Then that means the number of visas need to be cut in half.

So that this year 100% of them can be made to leave when they expire.

ConstantineXI on January 20, 2016 at 2:45 PM

How many of them had anchor babies?

Oil Can on January 20, 2016 at 2:46 PM

Ted Cruz- “Legal Status for 11+ Million Illegals, Double Legal Immigration, Raise H1B visas by 500%”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jDnuWLuAbCw

Garyinaz66 on January 20, 2016 at 2:48 PM

We need non-Americans to fundamentally transform America.

antipc on January 20, 2016 at 2:49 PM

With the market getting closer and closer to down 20% and economy head back to a major recession are the American voters going to support open candidates or Dems that want to give every illegal citizenship. Boy, the Dem party took a real bad position this election cycle and this issue. A Trump GOP nomination will exploit this weakness.

Oil Can on January 20, 2016 at 2:50 PM

How many of them had anchor babies?

Oil Can on January 20, 2016 at 2:46 PM

Ted Cruz 2011: The Constitution protects birthright citizenship for illegals and it’s a mistake for conservatives to spend time fighting it
http://hotair.com/archives/2015/08/20/ted-cruz-2011-the-constitution-protects-birthright-citizenship-for-illegals-and-its-a-mistake-for-conservatives-to-spend-time-fighting-it/

Garyinaz66 on January 20, 2016 at 2:50 PM

Garyinaz66 on January 20, 2016 at 2:48 PM

You read my mind, awesome post.

Oil Can on January 20, 2016 at 2:51 PM

Don’t worry. This won’t happen under a President Trump. How do you ask? Don’t ask questions stupid! Just know that it wont.

Politricks on January 20, 2016 at 2:51 PM

How many of them had anchor babies?

Oil Can on January 20, 2016 at 2:46 PM

If one did it was one too many.

Pregnant women should be ineligible for a visa.

And not becoming pregnant while here should be a condition for keeping a visa.

ConstantineXI on January 20, 2016 at 2:52 PM

That’s OK we have Top Men looking into this. Top. Men.

HumpBot Salvation on January 20, 2016 at 2:53 PM

If one did it was one too many.

Pregnant women should be ineligible for a visa NUMBER ONE on the deport list.

ConstantineXI on January 20, 2016 at 2:52 PM

FIFM

Garyinaz66 on January 20, 2016 at 2:54 PM

Don’t worry. This won’t happen under a President Trump. How do you ask? Don’t ask questions stupid! Just know that it wont.

Politricks on January 20, 2016 at 2:51 PM

Oh, I don’t know, let’s say by first enforcing existing laws number which are completely ignored.

Oil Can on January 20, 2016 at 2:56 PM

Ted Cruz- “Legal Status for 11+ Million Illegals, Double Legal Immigration, Raise H1B visas by 500%”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jDnuWLuAbCw

Garyinaz66 on January 20, 2016 at 2:48 PM

Exactly why I don’t support Cruz. On doubling legal immigration, Cruz wants the biggest increases to go to Mexico, India and China (a majority of whose immigrants vote Democratic,

What good is electing a “constitutional conservative” if he wants to flood the country with new immigrants who will vote for socialists?

bw222 on January 20, 2016 at 2:57 PM

Other than Jeff Sessions and perhaps Steve King, who amongst our current GOP elected leaders are willing to even talk about this? Where is the outrage, where is the call to action from our GOP elected officials? And the Republican establishment can’t understand why we’re ready to blow up the whole party.

Sammy on January 20, 2016 at 2:59 PM

Yes, I realize that tagging people to track their movements sounds like something out of a dystopian future sci-fi film.

On the contrary, who says new tech can’t be used to prevent a dystopian future?

Millions of Americans wear wrist bracelets that record, analyze and transmit their biometric data, such as Fitbits.

Require visa holders to wear one while in the country.

MichaelGabriel on January 20, 2016 at 3:00 PM

To see how this all ties together. After 9/11, the doj started putting warrants for overstayers into the NCIC database. That would allow state and local officers to be able to call the Feds is someone with an outstanding warrant for deportation was stopped for any reason. ACLU and Obama administration have worked to completely thwart that ability of local officers, arguing repeatedly that it is a fourth amendment violation for a state or local officer to detain an alien–WHI HAS A WARRANT FOR DEPORTATION AND ARREST–and either take the alien to dhs or to hold for dhs to get the alien. Similarly, they have repeatedly undermined the detainer program for aliens who are in jail and known or suspected to be removable.

Thus, to answer your question, yes ICE could institute removal proceedings immediately on each of these individuals and warrants could be issued for their removal. But Obama admin and ACLU would do everything they can to make sure these individuals are never detained to actually be removed.

Conservative in NOVA on January 20, 2016 at 3:00 PM

thanks, Jazz. I’m sure the other guys would not headline this.

It shows what a horrible problem this is, and it shows why Trump is way ahead.

don’t forget, a few of the 9/11 attackers were here on expired visas too.

so, it’s not just about COMING here legally, it is also about LEAVING here legally too.

Senator Philip Bluster on January 20, 2016 at 3:01 PM

Obama blasted food prices up a good bad 30% the first couple years in office and another 30% in the last few years, BenedictRobertsCare has blasted insurance rates and the ability to hire full time employees, IRS goons enforce the ObamaCare shakedown, Obongo is blasting the stock market, our allies, the Middle East situation and war, gummint openly disregards the 5th amendment, Killary evades prosecution, the EPA poisons three rivers in about as many months.

Sheesh, It’s less corrupt in Meh-hee-ko!… let’s go back, Rosita…

viking01 on January 20, 2016 at 3:05 PM

If one did it was one too many.

Pregnant women should be ineligible for a visa NUMBER ONE on the deport list.

ConstantineXI on January 20, 2016 at 2:52 PM

FIFM

Garyinaz66 on January 20, 2016 at 2:54 PM

Agreed. In fact, it should be a CRIME for a foreigner not attached to an embassy who lacks a green card to be pregnant in the United States, at minimum it should be a misdemeanor serious enough to prevent ever applying for citizenship.

ConstantineXI on January 20, 2016 at 3:08 PM

Did the Pilgrims have visas?

DarkCurrent on January 20, 2016 at 3:11 PM

Did the Pilgrims have visas?

DarkCurrent on January 20, 2016 at 3:11 PM

Did Alexander or Genghis Khan

RickB on January 20, 2016 at 3:13 PM

The Pilgrims had Diner’s Club…. turkey.

viking01 on January 20, 2016 at 3:16 PM

Ted Cruz- “Legal Status for 11+ Million Illegals, Double Legal Immigration, Raise H1B visas by 500%”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jDnuWLuAbCw

Garyinaz66 on January 20, 2016 at 2:48 PM

I saw this post from a Cruz, supporter, they are getting mad.

RUSH HAS ONLY SAID TRUMPS NAME ABOUT A THOUSAND TIMES THIS MORNING. :/

So, they are writing off Sessions, Palin, and now Rush. They can form the the Ted Cruz political party.

Oil Can on January 20, 2016 at 3:16 PM

Did the Pilgrims have visas?

DarkCurrent on January 20, 2016 at 3:11 PM

Did Alexander or Genghis Khan

RickB on January 20, 2016 at 3:13 PM

A whole lot of Japanese and Germans didn’t have visas in the 30’s and 40’s.

Oil Can on January 20, 2016 at 3:18 PM

Sure, everyone had a good laugh when Chris Christie suggested some sort of bio-metric monitoring scheme similar to FedEx package tracking for those arriving here on a visa,

Jazz, aren’t foreign nationals routinely fingerprinted upon arrival in the US?

DarkCurrent on January 20, 2016 at 3:22 PM

Very large Mexican owned and operated bus line operation in place.

We here in Texas call it El Taco Bus Line, El Gordo Bus Line.

Every day every hour both directions bus after bus load.

Any truck stop you can see them.

Then the pick up towing the older pick up.
Both loaded with stuff. One to sell, stuff for family.

They come and go at will.

The drug cartel owned and operated coyotes collect the fee or else.

The Mexican etal illegals must now mule in drugs or no go.

They self deport several times a year.

The Two Party Evil Money Cult in D C just wants their re election money share.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on January 20, 2016 at 3:23 PM

Did the Pilgrims have visas?

DarkCurrent on January 20, 2016 at 3:11 PM

Did Genghis Khan when he conquered China?

ConstantineXI on January 20, 2016 at 3:24 PM

Dark Current human without a country.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on January 20, 2016 at 3:26 PM

Did Alexander or Genghis Khan

RickB on January 20, 2016 at 3:13 PM

I was joking of course.

Often when I arrive at immigration and am asked for my passport I mutter ‘Did the pilgrims have passports?’ as I reach for my passport…

One time arriving late at night in Beijing I did that and the immigration officer smiled and said “No, that’s why we need to see yours” with a wink ;)

DarkCurrent on January 20, 2016 at 3:32 PM

DHS has no idea how many people overstay their visas, we do not have a tracking system

burserker on January 20, 2016 at 3:32 PM

Then the ” special” project illegals.

Speak Abaric , have guns want to travel.

The Mexican Drug cartels with operational control of the U S / Mexican border have ability and recive the price.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on January 20, 2016 at 3:33 PM

Great post, Jazz. Two years ago I never thought I’d be saying this, but you’re by far the best author at Hot Air.

bw222 on January 20, 2016 at 3:34 PM

And I notice none of the Iranian Prisoners that Barry freed in the ‘prisoner swap’ actually showed up at the plane that was chartered to take them back to Iran.

So, they are wandering around loose here in the USA, free to repeat the crimes (or worse) that got them put in prison in the first place.

LegendHasIt on January 20, 2016 at 3:36 PM

Did Genghis Khan when he conquered China?

ConstantineXI on January 20, 2016 at 3:24 PM

I guess not. Half of Mongolia is part of China now. I guess that wasn’t in his plans for the future…

Did you know the mother of Kublai Khan, grandson of Genghis Khan, was a Christian? Little known factoid. Probably why he went easy on the so-called ‘Eastern Roman Empire’

DarkCurrent on January 20, 2016 at 3:36 PM

Dark Current human without a country.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on January 20, 2016 at 3:26 PM

APACHEWHOKNOWS, mushroom without a stem.

DarkCurrent on January 20, 2016 at 3:37 PM

Top three censored countries.

China

N. Korea

Iran.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on January 20, 2016 at 3:38 PM

thanks, Jazz. I’m sure the other guys would not headline this.

Senator Philip Bluster on January 20, 2016 at 3:01 PM

Very true. Allahpundit wants hits over substance and Ed is, well, Amnesty Ed.

bw222 on January 20, 2016 at 3:39 PM

At least they aren’t providing marksmanship training:

Swedish Taxpayers Finance Sniper Training for Islamic “Refugees” https://shar.es/1hr3Sr via @sharethis

Torcert on January 20, 2016 at 3:39 PM

Country that has total fake financial reports China.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on January 20, 2016 at 3:43 PM

Did you know the mother of Kublai Khan, grandson of Genghis Khan, was a Christian? Little known factoid. Probably why he went easy on the so-called ‘Eastern Roman Empire’

DarkCurrent on January 20, 2016 at 3:36 PM

Fastest growing religion in China. 67 million. China is getting close to being 5% Christian, that’s pretty rapid change for a once closed country.

Oil Can on January 20, 2016 at 3:44 PM

Trump target for import duty , BS from Dsrk Current.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on January 20, 2016 at 3:46 PM

China

APACHEWHOKNOWS on January 20, 2016 at 3:38 PM

And yet here I am on HA. How could that be if your information is correct?

DarkCurrent on January 20, 2016 at 3:56 PM

Until all the visa overstayers leave, do not issue any more visas. PERIOD. When we can verify that all have left, isuue one visa per yr. and put a chip in his’her ass to track them. Put an explosive chip in the ass that will self detonate at the exact time the clock strikes midnight on the day the visa expires.

they lie on January 20, 2016 at 3:59 PM

Fastest growing religion in China. 67 million. China is getting close to being 5% Christian, that’s pretty rapid change for a once closed country.

Oil Can on January 20, 2016 at 3:44 PM

Maybe a few years ago. The Christian fad seems to be fading recently.

Christianity has been known here for at least as long as it has been in places like Sweden. In the long term it never really catches on.

DarkCurrent on January 20, 2016 at 3:59 PM

Until all the visa overstayers leave, do not issue any more visas. PERIOD.

they lie on January 20, 2016 at 3:59 PM

Excellent idea. Clearly well thought-out…

DarkCurrent on January 20, 2016 at 4:00 PM

Dark Current

Most likely you in the San Fransicko area and a member of Earth First.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on January 20, 2016 at 4:06 PM

And yet here I am on HA. How could that be if your information is correct?
DarkCurrent on January 20, 2016 at 3:56 PM

Well, Duh. Their propaganda agents, (even if voluntary rather than paid) get special permissions.

LegendHasIt on January 20, 2016 at 4:22 PM

Probably why he went easy on the so-called ‘Eastern Roman Empire’

DarkCurrent on January 20, 2016 at 3:36 PM

There was no Eastern Roman Empire from 1204 until it was restored by Michael VIII Palaiologos in 1261. Constantinople was ruled by the usurpers of the 4th Crusade in that period.

ConstantineXI on January 20, 2016 at 4:25 PM

…Unless you count the Byzantine states of Nicea, Trebizond, and Eprius that is. The Empire of Nicea was ruled by the Palaiologi and were the ones who re-established the Empire in 1261 by taking Constantinople back.

ConstantineXI on January 20, 2016 at 4:28 PM

Dark Current

Most likely you in the San Fransicko area and a member of Earth First.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on January 20, 2016 at 4:06 PM

Wrong twice in one sentence of only 14 words. How efficient!

Is that a new record for you? ;)

DarkCurrent on January 20, 2016 at 4:34 PM

Dark Current

Most likely you in the San Fransicko area and a member of Earth First.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on January 20, 2016 at 4:06 PM

Wrong twice in one sentence of only 14 words. How efficient!

Is that a new record for you? ;)

DarkCurrent on January 20, 2016 at 4:34 PM

He (or she, I don’t know which) lives in Communist China and is a major apologist for the Maoist Tyranny.

ConstantineXI on January 20, 2016 at 4:36 PM

There was no Eastern Roman Empire from 1204 until it was restored by Michael VIII Palaiologos in 1261. Constantinople was ruled by the usurpers of the 4th Crusade in that period.

ConstantineXI on January 20, 2016 at 4:25 PM

Damn, I should pay more attention to detail.

Btw, did you know that the Byzantine Empire’s economy was completely propped up by the theft of Chinese technology by your predecessor Justinian I?

DarkCurrent on January 20, 2016 at 4:41 PM

Btw, did you know that the Byzantine Empire’s economy was completely propped up by the theft of Chinese technology by your predecessor Justinian I?

DarkCurrent on January 20, 2016 at 4:41 PM

And China invented gunpowder too. But not firearms.

ConstantineXI on January 20, 2016 at 4:42 PM

He (or she, I don’t know which) lives in Communist China and is a major apologist for the Maoist Tyranny.

ConstantineXI on January 20, 2016 at 4:36 PM

No, I don’t think so. APACHE is mostly incoherent at best.

DarkCurrent on January 20, 2016 at 4:48 PM

And China invented gunpowder too. But not firearms.

ConstantineXI on January 20, 2016 at 4:42 PM

Firearms also. Study your history scholar.

DarkCurrent on January 20, 2016 at 4:49 PM

DarkCurrent on January 20, 2016 at 4:48 PM

Purely personal question: Why do you choose to live in the People’s Republuc of China (Communist China) instead of the Republic of China (actual Republic)?

ConstantineXI on January 20, 2016 at 4:50 PM

Really not difficult

“The firearm was originally invented in China during the 13th century AD, after the Chinese invented gunpowder during the 9th century AD.

These inventions were later transmitted to the Middle East, Africa, and Europe. The world’s first firearm in history was the fire lance, the prototype of the gun. The fire lance was invented in China during the 10th century and it is the predecessor of all firearms.”

Basic history

DarkCurrent on January 20, 2016 at 4:51 PM

Purely personal question: Why do you choose to live in the People’s Republuc of China (Communist China) instead of the Republic of China (actual Republic)?

ConstantineXI on January 20, 2016 at 4:50 PM

Before I answer you question, which I will, may I ask you one? Have you ever been to either or both?

DarkCurrent on January 20, 2016 at 4:53 PM

Firearms also. Study your history scholar.

DarkCurrent on January 20, 2016 at 4:49 PM

If they did to any practical extent, then why were their armies not equipped with them? Why didn’t they advance their design even into the flintlock era? Hence: made themselves unable to resist Europeans armed with flintlock and breech loading rifles in the 19th Century?

The advantage of Western Civilization is that we DEVELOP AND SPREAD technology.

Ironically one of the reasons why Constantinople fell in 1453 was that the Emperor didn’t hire a man who had designed a giant seige cannon cable of destroying the Theodosian Walls of Constantinople.

Instead he built them for the Turks… Those cannon were the difference maker between that and earlier Turkish sieges of the city.

ConstantineXI on January 20, 2016 at 4:55 PM

Before I answer you question, which I will, may I ask you one? Have you ever been to either or both?

DarkCurrent on January 20, 2016 at 4:53 PM

I have never been outside the United States even once.

In fact, I’ve only once ever been West of the Mississippi River.

ConstantineXI on January 20, 2016 at 4:56 PM

I have never been outside the United States even once.

In fact, I’ve only once ever been West of the Mississippi River.

ConstantineXI on January 20, 2016 at 4:56 PM

We’re kind of like mirror images… I’ve spent most of my adult life outside the US, and have only been on the surface of North America east of the Mississippi River once.

To answer your question:

First of all, Taiwan is an island you can drive across in a day. Roughly the size of Ireland. Too small for my taste.

Second of all, for most of history it’s been on the extreme edge of civilization. Really not much history there. I enjoy visiting historical sites. There are very few there.

Thirdly, it’s a boring place. The kind of place you might retreat to if you were on the losing end of a civil war, but would otherwise not bother with. You can survive there, but why would you want to?

(I’ve been to Taiwan a few times. I like it ok, but I’d rather live in Shanghai or Beijing)

DarkCurrent on January 20, 2016 at 5:09 PM

Great news: nearly half of all aliens left the US last year after their visas expired

I guess this explains the return of THE X FILES…

Bruno Strozek on January 20, 2016 at 5:28 PM

My sister worked for several years as the head of human resources at a large multinational corporation in Singapore. Naturally in Singapore there were many people on work visas (including her, of course). If someone lost his job, as part of a layoff or whatever, this had to be reported by the company to the government immediately, or else the company could get in big trouble. According to her, in the next day or two, there would be a government official at your residence to make sure you got out of the country.

You might be amazed how many people are here on work visas who lose their jobs and just stay. Or people on student visas who fail or just drop out of school. With technology today, this shouldn’t be that big a problem. Make the schools/businesses report this and punish them for not doing so.

Of course, ultimately, nothing gets done because no one is interested in actually enforcing our immigration laws.

Jingo95 on January 20, 2016 at 5:30 PM

I think we can call this one “having fun with numbers”. It might be safe to say that of the other half, maybe 20% could not comply with the law. They were either in jail, in a hospital, did not know their visa expired and or did not under stand the system or were dead. To me that means that the majority of the people try to comply with the law. If so then I think we spend two much time getting upset with those coming in on a valid visa.

jpcpt03 on January 20, 2016 at 5:36 PM

Maybe a few years ago. The Christian fad seems to be fading recently.

Christianity has been known here for at least as long as it has been in places like Sweden. In the long term it never really catches on.

DarkCurrent on January 20, 2016 at 3:59 PM

That’s one way to put it. Or the more general way would be they are being persecuted and pushed underground while their Churches are being vandalized by the government. Nice spin.

China is jailing and torturing its lawyers, demolishing churches, and driving Christians to worship underground,” Robinson said, calling for a frank discussion about human rights. “And let’s not forget that lawyers like Zhang Kai, who love their country, and simply want to use the law of the land to contest the legality of church demolitions are being treated like enemies of the state.”

Zhang’s father, who traveled to Wenzhou in hopes of news of his son, visited the church where Zhang lived and worked and where he was arrested. “Before my eyes, the tattered remnants from after the demolitions were strewn along the steps in front of the main gate and along the sides.”

His father remembered Zhang’s words about his goals and hopes for justice for the people who were being wrongly treated by the Chinese government.

“I am certain that I want to support the Lord’s impartial justice and work in accordance with the law,” Zhang said, according to his father. “Dad, be confident; your work cannot violate the law. More and more, I believe the government’s actions can be in accordance with the law. I believe that the government can support the Lord’s equitable justice.”
http://www.christianexaminer.com/article/persecuted-church-britian-should-seek-release-of-chinese-lawyer-christians-during-state-visit/49677.htm

Patriot Vet on January 20, 2016 at 5:43 PM

Damn, I should pay more attention to detail.

Btw, did you know that the Byzantine Empire’s Chinese Economy was is completely propped up by the theft of Chinese Ameircan technology by your their predecessor Justinian I current and former governments?

DarkCurrent on January 20, 2016 at 4:41 PM

FIFY

Patriot Vet on January 20, 2016 at 5:50 PM

This is a confusing article. There’s a difference between staying part the expiration of visas and being in the U.S. after status has expired. I really wish that people writing about these things could tell the difference.

NorthernCross on January 20, 2016 at 6:22 PM

To clarify, what people should be concerned about is not when a visa expires but when the permission to stay in the country expires. For example, someone can come to the U.S. with a tourist visa, be admitted on the visa, then change status that permits work. The tourist visa might expire, but as long as the person is in some other status then it doesn’t matter.

NorthernCross on January 20, 2016 at 6:25 PM

So, can we say that the ones remaining in the U.S. after any legal status has expired are just more loving than the ones who leave, like Jeb says?

de rigueur on January 20, 2016 at 6:37 PM

Is this based on the assumption that All aliens had visas? Or is this just another misleading headline from Hot Air to get clicks?

Old Country Boy on January 21, 2016 at 11:44 AM

That’s one way to put it. Or the more general way would be they are being persecuted and pushed underground while their Churches are being vandalized by the government. Nice spin.

Patriot Vet on January 20, 2016 at 5:43 PM

Nice spin, if you believe the Western propaganda. They aren’t being persecuted because they are Christians. Being Christian is perfectly legal. Some may be prosecuted for breaking the law however.

The fact is it was a fad, almost like a fashion trend, and is now fading.

DarkCurrent on January 21, 2016 at 12:28 PM

FIFY

Patriot Vet on January 20, 2016 at 5:50 PM

Heh. I guess you have no clue how much R&D by ‘American’ companies is now done in China. In any case America wouldn’t even exist if it weren’t for technologies pioneered in China.

DarkCurrent on January 21, 2016 at 12:31 PM