El Chapo found with Fast and Furious .50 caliber as exec-privilege claim quashed

posted at 10:01 am on January 20, 2016 by Ed Morrissey

Remember Operation Fast and Furious? The scandal over the ATF’s botched straw-man sting has long hung over the Department of Justice and the Obama administration, thanks in large part to a bogus claim of executive privilege over the communications relating to the operation. Thousands of weapons went across the border into Mexico without sufficient tracking capabilities to retrieve them, and they wound up in the hands of the cartels. Hundreds have been found at murder scenes in Mexico, and at least one Border Patrol agent (Brian Terry) has been killed with Fast and Furious weapons.

Just how far did those weapons go? Fox News reports that they went all the way to the top of the cartels:

A .50-caliber rifle found at Joaquin “El Chapo” Guzman’s hideout in Mexico was funneled through the gun-smuggling investigation known as Fast and Furious, sources confirmed Tuesday to Fox News.

A .50-caliber is a massive rifle that can stop a car, or as it was intended, take down a helicopter. …

When agents from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives checked serial numbers of the eight weapons found in his possession, they found one of the two .50-caliber weapons traced back to the ATF program, sources said.

Federal officials told Fox News they are not sure how many of the weapons seized from Guzman’s house actually originated in the U.S. and where they were purchased, but are investigating.

Out of the roughly 2,000 weapons sold through Fast and Furious, 34 were .50 caliber rifles that can take down a helicopter, according to officials.

Jeff Dunetz reminds us of the context for OF&F:

Emails released in 2011 revealed that ATF big shots wanted to use the illegal gun sales in operation Fast and Furious to justify a new gun regulation called “Demand Letter 3”. The new rule would require  U.S. gun shops to report the sale of multiple rifles or “long guns.” The fancy name, Demand Letter 3 comes from the fact that it would be the third ATF program demanding gun dealers report tracing information. If that’s how then name projects, why didn’t they name Fast and Furious, “Asinine Project 1?

Fast and Furious was a sick attempt to deprive Americans of their Second Amendment rights by selling guns to Mexican Gun cartels. The program was a train wreck whose effects are still being discovered.

So why hasn’t Congress done more in the past five years to hold officials accountable for the lethal attempt to create anti-gun hysteria and pave the way for more gun regulation? In part, it’s because Congress can’t access all of the evidence from the government operation. In 2012, then-Attorney General Eric Holder requested a claim of executive privilege from Barack Obama, who granted it after e-mails showed “extensive” communication with the White House on the operation. The case has been in the courts ever since.

Yesterday, a judge denied executive privilege after more than three years of stonewalling by the Obama administration, calling their claim a little too selective, although it’s not a complete victory for Congress:

The very information that the administration sought to deny investigators with the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reformhad been made public in 2012 by the Justice Department’s inspector general’s review of a Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco Firearms and Explosives operation known as “Fast and Furious,” U.S. District Judge Amy Berman Jackson wrote in a 32-page opinion.

The trafficking operation allowed hundreds of firearms to fall into the hands of Mexican drug cartel enforcers and prompted numerous investigations and a protracted political fight in which the House voted in 2012 to hold then-Attorney General Eric Holder in contempt of Congress for refusing to turn over documents related to the ATF operation to the committee. The dispute prompted the committee’s court challenge

“There is no need to balance the need against the impact that the revelation of any record could have on candor in future executive decision making, since any harm that might flow from the public revelation of the deliberations at issue here has already been self-inflicted,” Jackson wrote. “The emails and memoranda that are responsive to the subpoena were described in detail in a report by the Department of JusticeInspector General that has already been released to the public.”

House Oversight chair Jason Chaffetz noted that the order didn’t give access to all of the documents sought in House subpoenas, but that “it is an important step forward.” The discovery of a .50 caliber in El Chapo’s lair provided courtesy of the Department of Justice might be another step forward in galvanizing public opinion to finally bring the sordid history of Fast and Furious completely into the light.


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I’m gonna go out on a limb and declare that nothing ever will come of this…

Establishment is busy with the Vulgarians at their gate…

mjbrooks3 on January 20, 2016 at 10:06 AM

U.S. District Judge Amy Berman Jackson

An Obama appointee.

Lolo on January 20, 2016 at 10:07 AM

Is this where it starts to completely unravel for the Zero?

dogsoldier on January 20, 2016 at 10:07 AM

Not surprised at all

ConservativePartyNow on January 20, 2016 at 10:08 AM

The benefits of electing Obama just never cease.

Bitter Clinger on January 20, 2016 at 10:10 AM

The discovery of a .50 caliber in El Chapo’s lair provided courtesy of the Department of Justice might be another step forward in galvanizing public opinion to finally bring the sordid history of Fast and Furious completely into the light.

Never going to happen, the Fifth Column Treasonous Marxist Media is far to invested in both the Obamanation Administration and disarming the American people for them to ever report honestly on anything that would imperil their agenda.

oscarwilde on January 20, 2016 at 10:11 AM

MeanWhile,…:

Gun Grabber HALT:
———————____________

FBI official: ‘Perfect storm’ imperiling gun background checks
Kevin Johnson, USA TODAY 7:49 p.m. EST January 19, 2016
*******************************************************

CLARKSBURG, W.Va. — The surge of criminal background checks required of new gun purchasers has been so unrelenting in recent months

that the FBI had been forced to temporarily halt the processing of thousands of appeals from prospective buyers whose firearm purchase attempts have been denied.

Since October, the bureau’s entire cadre of appeal examiners— about 70 analysts — was redeployed here to help keep pace with waves of incoming background investigations that continued through December when a record 3.3 million firearm sales were processed.
(More…)
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http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2016/01/19/fbi-guns-background-checks/78752774/

canopfor on January 20, 2016 at 7:40 AM

canopfor on January 20, 2016 at 10:11 AM

This is what the Hussein regime calls keeping guns out of the hands of criminals……..American criminals.

antipc on January 20, 2016 at 10:12 AM

Individuals have a right to keep and bear arms under the 2nd Amendment.

Guess who doesn’t?

The government… Except as individuals.

ConstantineXI on January 20, 2016 at 10:12 AM

This is why we need government control.

NotCoach on January 20, 2016 at 10:12 AM

So Team Hopey was gun running the Cartels and Benghazi!!

canopfor on January 20, 2016 at 10:12 AM

I’m gonna go out on a limb and declare that nothing ever will come of this…

mjbrooks3 on January 20, 2016 at 10:06 AM

I’m joining you out on that limb.

MMK on January 20, 2016 at 10:13 AM

So when do the trolls show up to yell something about faux scandal and witch-hunt while ignoring the 3+ years of stonewalling from the obama administration?

HumpBot Salvation on January 20, 2016 at 10:15 AM

Obama spokesperson in 3…2…1 “This is old news. It is time to move on…”

AverageJoe on January 20, 2016 at 10:20 AM

I’m gonna go out on a limb and declare that nothing ever will come of this…

mjbrooks3 on January 20, 2016 at 10:06 AM

I’m joining you out on that limb.

MMK on January 20, 2016 at 10:13 AM

Hope you got room out there for me…

Rogue on January 20, 2016 at 10:21 AM

Disarm the GOVERNMENT.

Only the military should have arms.

ConstantineXI on January 20, 2016 at 10:23 AM

So Team Hopey was gun running the Cartels and Benghazi!!

canopfor on January 20, 2016 at 10:12 AM

….you’re righty!

JugEarsButtHurt on January 20, 2016 at 10:25 AM

So why hasn’t Congress done more in the past five years to hold officials accountable for the lethal attempt to create anti-gun hysteria and pave the way for more gun regulation?
==================================================

The same Administration that helped Iran flood the market with oil,
from de-sanctions, that will play havoc on the worlds economies!!

canopfor on January 20, 2016 at 10:25 AM

Only the military militia should have arms.

ConstantineXI on January 20, 2016 at 10:23 AM

Gratis.

CurtZHP on January 20, 2016 at 10:28 AM

Remember Operation Fast and Furious?

Dude! That was like seven years ago.

A .50-caliber is a massive rifle that can stop a car, or as it was intended, take down a helicopter. …

Betcha El Chapo never passed an FBI background check before he got it. Probably used the gun show loophole. I mean the other alternative is that our very own government from the President on down was letting helicopter-killing weaponry to fall into the hands of Mexican drug cartels so that they could attack the Second Amendment.

Happy Nomad on January 20, 2016 at 10:30 AM

Weird that the news of the 50 caliber and the court decision came out on the same day.

Cindy Munford on January 20, 2016 at 10:31 AM

Only the military militia should have arms.

ConstantineXI on January 20, 2016 at 10:23 AM

Gratis.

CurtZHP on January 20, 2016 at 10:28 AM

I agree. Most of the military should be militia, except the full time personnel needed to keep the equipment in good order supplemented by active duty militia undergoing their training rotations.

We shouldn’t have a standing army, though we need a standing NAVY…

ConstantineXI on January 20, 2016 at 10:32 AM

Tlaloc

“Don’t care”

“Yawn”

APACHEWHOKNOWS on January 20, 2016 at 10:33 AM

These RINO committees will do nothing! Issa did NOTHING, and Chafetz and Gowdy will do NOTHING. They will continue to cover for obama.

hardrock230 on January 20, 2016 at 10:38 AM

AP Politics ✔ @AP_Politics
Attorney General Lynch says Obama executive actions curbing guns are legal: http://apne.ws/1Kr0qV4

CoffeeLover on January 20, 2016 at 10:39 AM

AP Politics ✔ @AP_Politics
Attorney General Lynch says Obama executive actions curbing guns are legal: http://apne.ws/1Kr0qV4

CoffeeLover on January 20, 2016 at 10:39 AM

Which has the same credibility as Jeffery Dahmer’s defense attorney claiming he was innocent.

ConstantineXI on January 20, 2016 at 10:41 AM

Do we now have to refer to .50-caliber rifles as the gun that can bring down a helicopter?

Eleven on January 20, 2016 at 10:42 AM

Operation Slow and Underhanded. Unfortunately, Bubble Boy will be long gone making his millions elsewhere before the whole truth comes out, if it ever does.

vnvet on January 20, 2016 at 10:43 AM

So why hasn’t Congress done more in the past five years to hold officials accountable …

for anything. F&F, IRS, VA, Ben Ghazi, the list goes on.

Congress has proven that they do nothing but investigate with NO actions from the investigations. Ever.

TerryW on January 20, 2016 at 10:43 AM

The constitutional question in danger is not only a president’s so called privilege, but more importantly, the rights of the citizens to bear arms. Rights my friends trump privilege every time and they come from “nature’s God “and thus cannot be reduced to judgment (control) by any earthly power.

Don L on January 20, 2016 at 10:44 AM

LIVE
Live video: Senate lawmakers hold hearing on Justice Department’s role in implementing gun control exectuive actions- NBC News

Watch Live: AG Lynch Speaks at Senate Hearing on Gun Control

Wed, Jan 20

Senate lawmakers hold hearing on Justice Department’s role in implementing new executive actions related to gun control. Attorney General Loretta Lynch speaks.
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http://www.nbcnews.com/video/watch-live-ag-lynch-speaks-at-senate-hearing-on-gun-control-322519619939

canopfor on January 20, 2016 at 10:44 AM

Attorney General Lynch says Obama executive actions curbing guns are legal: http://apne.ws/1Kr0qV4

CoffeeLover on January 20, 2016 at 10:39 AM

Shocker. Given that her people told her boss just how to gut the Second Amendment.

Happy Nomad on January 20, 2016 at 10:44 AM

Wait for the democrat spin on this is why we need more gun control..”even drug smugglers can get their hands on helicopter assault weapons!!! eleventy!!!”

HumpBot Salvation on January 20, 2016 at 10:45 AM

Bump.

Still waiting on an answer to these questions. If CD won’t answer, maybe some other of our resident leftists would like to take a shot:

What evidence suggests that leftists can be trusted to deal with their opponents honestly?

What evidence suggests that leftists’ gun control proposals are based in reality?

What evidence suggests that the NRA’s position is not based in reality?

I have been asking these questions for 12 days now. No takers?

GrumpyOldFart on January 20, 2016 at 10:45 AM

Do we now have to refer to .50-caliber rifles as the gun that can bring down a helicopter?

Eleven on January 20, 2016 at 10:42 AM

Just the assault-style .50 cals. /

Happy Nomad on January 20, 2016 at 10:46 AM


AP Politics ✔ @AP_Politics
Attorney General Lynch says Obama executive actions curbing guns are legal: http://apne.ws/1Kr0qV4

CoffeeLover on January 20, 2016 at 10:39 AM

Molon Labe

HomeoftheBrave on January 20, 2016 at 10:47 AM

. . . though we need a standing NAVY…

ConstantineXI on January 20, 2016 at 10:32 AM

Umm, don’t we need a floating Navy? :-)

Lammo on January 20, 2016 at 10:48 AM

Lol. Another tree falls in the forest. Liberalism is truly a mental disorder….

Indiana Jim on January 20, 2016 at 10:50 AM

Uncivil intercourse to scream racism in 4….3…2…1…

Indiana Jim on January 20, 2016 at 10:51 AM

I’m olde enough to remember when the left treated Bush/Cheney claims of executive privilege as the coming of fascism to America.

gwelf on January 20, 2016 at 10:51 AM

Sharyl Attkisson is what a reporter should be like.

Haven’t heard much from her as late. Anybody following her?

I’m trying to be optimistic. It’s been a long road and some credit is due for hanging in there exposing the scam.

plutorocks on January 20, 2016 at 10:52 AM

A .50-caliber is a massive rifle that can stop a car, or as it was intended, take down a helicopter. – FOX News

Typical journalistic stupidity.

earlgrey on January 20, 2016 at 10:53 AM

The ATF should ave been abolished as soon as prohibition was repealed. We don’t need no stinkin ATF. What good are they other than to harass innocent law abiding gun owners.

they lie on January 20, 2016 at 10:58 AM

Hey Uncivil Discourse. If obama is responsible for low gas prices because hes such a genius, then hes also responsible for the stock market crashing. Lol!! You are so precious, however….a truly special kind of stupid.

Indiana Jim on January 20, 2016 at 10:58 AM

Arm the drug cartels through Fast & Furious, instruct South American & Mexican citizens to claim asylum.
Team Hopenchange’s plan all along.

Jason58 on January 20, 2016 at 11:03 AM

Ive got a .50 desert eagle that can take down a helicopter… If you can shoot like jimmy stewart that is……

Indiana Jim on January 20, 2016 at 11:04 AM


Violent Crime:
—————-

FBI Releases Preliminary Semiannual Crime Statistics for 2015
Washington, D.C. January 19, 2016
*********************************

Statistics released today in the FBI’s Preliminary Semiannual Uniform Crime Report revealed overall declines in the number of property crimes reported and overall increases in the number of violent crimes reported for the first six months of 2015 when compared with figures for the first six months of 2014. The report is based on information from 12,879 law enforcement agencies that submitted three to six months of comparable data to the FBI’s Uniform Crime Reporting (UCR) Program for the first six months of 2014 and 2015.

Violent Crime
(More….)
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https://www.fbi.gov/news/pressrel/press-releases/fbi-releases-preliminary-semiannual-crime-statistics-for-2015

canopfor on January 20, 2016 at 11:04 AM

We’ve got a corrupt justice system! We need to do something about this!
/ lefties whenever the cops shoot someone

Ha ha! This is a fake scandal, no way this goes anywhere!
/ lefties when lefty politicians obviously corrupt

gwelf on January 20, 2016 at 11:09 AM

I’m gonna go out on a limb and declare that nothing ever will come of this…
mjbrooks3 on January 20, 2016 at 10:06 AM

I’m joining you out on that limb.
MMK on January 20, 2016 at 10:13 AM

Hope you got room out there for me…
Rogue on January 20, 2016 at 10:21 AM

Anyone know the weight limit for this limb we’re all on?

dentarthurdent on January 20, 2016 at 11:09 AM

Soooooo, .50 sniper rifles (assuming since they don’t say exactly what it was) are now “designed” to take down helicopters?

dentarthurdent on January 20, 2016 at 11:11 AM

What good are they other than to harass innocent law abiding gun owners.

they lie on January 20, 2016 at 10:58 AM

Nothing – that IS their primary mission, now.

dentarthurdent on January 20, 2016 at 11:13 AM

Soooooo, .50 sniper rifles (assuming since they don’t say exactly what it was) are now “designed” to take down helicopters?

Well, yeah, Browning developed the .50 round about the same time the Petroczy-Karman-Zurovec PKZ 2 came out. Coincidence ? I think not…

F X Muldoon on January 20, 2016 at 11:22 AM

Attorney General Lynch says Obama executive actions curbing guns are legal: http://apne.ws/1Kr0qV4

CoffeeLover on January 20, 2016 at 10:39 AM

Lynch is nothing like the slimeball Holder.

Thanks republicans.

Mimzey on January 20, 2016 at 11:31 AM

When agents from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives checked serial numbers of the eight weapons found in his possession, they found one of the two .50-caliber weapons traced back to the ATF program, sources said.

Sounds like a “Mission Accomplished” moment to me. This is exactly what Holder and the BATFE wanted when they began smuggling arms across the Mexican border. Well done, gentlemen, well done!

Spurius Ligustinus on January 20, 2016 at 11:35 AM

Thank you Sean Penn for catching El Chapo

SpongePuppy on January 20, 2016 at 11:40 AM

Holder said “Hillary would be best to protect obama’s legacy”.

What he meant was “obama and his crooks, incl. her”.

Schadenfreude on January 20, 2016 at 11:40 AM

Now that the “Executive Privilege” claim by obummer has been rejected in federal court will the DOJ turn over those docs now?

jake49 on January 20, 2016 at 11:41 AM

. . . though we need a standing NAVY…

ConstantineXI on January 20, 2016 at 10:32 AM

Umm, don’t we need a floating Navy? :-)

Lammo on January 20, 2016 at 10:48 AM

Yes. One that doesn’t SURRENDER to bass boats.

ConstantineXI on January 20, 2016 at 11:41 AM

Now that the “Executive Privilege” claim by obummer has been rejected in federal court will the DOJ turn over those docs now?

jake49 on January 20, 2016 at 11:41 AM

Obama doesn’t obey courts that defy him.

ConstantineXI on January 20, 2016 at 11:42 AM

How many examples are there of public officials in this administration escaping any punishment whatsoever for even their most egregiously corrupt behaviors, not to mention their gross incompetence?
The political elite and their cronies in the public and private sector are now revealed to be well above the law.
It would be poetic justice if those responsible for the destruction of the rule of law in this country suffer the harshest consequences of its absence.

justltl on January 20, 2016 at 11:42 AM

Lynch is nothing like the slimeball Holder.

Thanks republicans.

Mimzey on January 20, 2016 at 11:31 AM

Since the republicans are starting to claim to be progressive lite you think that they want us to have our guns?

wifarmboy on January 20, 2016 at 11:43 AM

Oath Keepers Warn Feds Not to “Waco” Oregon Occupation — or there Will be Civil War
Jay Syrmopoulos | January 20, 2016 at 4:30 amURL: http://www.dcclothesline.com/?p=56109
Washington, D.C. – A “critical warning” has been issued by Oath Keepers founder Stewart Rhodes “to the entire U.S. military, but especially to the military Special Operations Command and community” with it secondarily being “addressed to federal LEOs, and especially to their SRTs, such as the FBI HRT (many of whom are former military special operations).”

The “warning” indicates that the escalation the situation in Oregon from a simple occupation of an empty federal building by ranchers and U.S. veterans to a use of force situation could risk pushing the nation into another civil war.

“If you do it ‘Waco’ style here, you risk pushing this nation over the edge into a Civil War, because there are “no more free Wacos,” Rhodes wrote.

Making a plea directly to the military and federal operators that would carry out such an order, the Oath Keepers make clear that this situation “must be handled as a normal, non-crisis, law enforcement matter, and preferably by Oregon Sheriffs (who are organized as the Oregon State Sheriffs’ Association), and their deputies, together with the local community there in Harney County, OR.”

Rhodes notes in his “Warning” letter :

This is not an emergency situation, unless you turn it into one. Ammon Bundy’s occupation of an empty building is essentially the same as civil-disobedience sit-ins that the political left has engaged in for decades, from anti-war and civil rights protesters in the 60s and 70s (including a nineteen month occupation of Alcatraz by American Indian activists), to Occupy Wall Street Movement and Black Lives Matter activists today.

These ranchers, cowboys, and veterans just happen to be armed, as westerners tend to be. Get over it. There are no hostages, there are no close-by neighbors at risk, there is nobody there except those who want to be.

Rhodes notes that the Obama administration previously considered using military forceagainst the Bundy Ranch protesters under Directive No. 3025.18, “Defense Support of Civil Authorities,” as reported by the Washington Times. He also indicates that intelligence received by the organization suggests that forces within the Obama administration are considering using military assets and military rules of engagement to conduct a dynamic raid:

“Despite that reality of there being no emergency here, we have very good reason to believe that ideologue leftist bureaucrats within the Obama Administration – such as within the D.O.J., and their politically minded “perfumed prince” puppets within the D.O.D. – are pressuring you to prepare to use military assets and military rules of engagement to conduct a dynamic raid. We are an organization of current serving and retired military, police, fire-fighters and other first responders, and we have contacts at every major military installation in America (including Joint Base Lewis-McChord), and at the Pentagon. We hear things. We’ll just leave it at that,” Rhodes wrote.

The Oath Keepers claim to be a non-partisan association of current and formerly serving military, police, and first responders, who pledge to fulfill the oath all military and police take to “defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic,” according to the organizations website.

The current situation has the potential to devolve into a much wider and larger violent conflict if the Americans occupying the federal building are killed or injured in a violent government sponsored operation to reclaim the facility. Even if you disagree with the Oregon protesters, the potentially highly combustible situation calls for diplomacy and principled discussion, not violent actions against fellow Americans.

Courtesy of The Free Thought Project.

Laura J Alcorn

fossten on January 20, 2016 at 11:46 AM

Well, a Walther PPK .380 pistol was used to take down a helicopter in Spectre last year. I guess a .50 cal would work too. But that’s not what .50 cal rifles are designed and marketed for.

overheard on January 20, 2016 at 11:47 AM

Yes. One that doesn’t SURRENDER to bass boats.

ConstantineXI on January 20, 2016 at 11:41 AM

Iranian navy uses Boston Whalers, the boats designed to bring down whales. Seriously, there is a lot more to that story than we are being told.

Eleven on January 20, 2016 at 11:57 AM

Iranian navy uses Boston Whalers, the boats designed to bring down whales. Seriously, there is a lot more to that story than we are being told.

Eleven on January 20, 2016 at 11:57 AM

Which could be sunk by one burst from the multiple M2 Browning .50 machine guns each of the Navy boats were armed with.

Except that Queen Barry ordered them to surrender and not fight.

ConstantineXI on January 20, 2016 at 12:02 PM

Which could be sunk by one burst from the multiple M2 Browning .50 machine guns each of the Navy boats were armed with.

ConstantineXI on January 20, 2016 at 12:02 PM

Nope, wouldn’t work – .50s are made for helicopters, and maybe cars dontchaknow….. so I don’t think you can use them for boats…..

dentarthurdent on January 20, 2016 at 12:12 PM

Do we now have to refer to .50-caliber rifles as the gun that can bring down a helicopter?
Eleven on January 20, 2016 at 10:42 AM

Hey, never miss a chance to demonize any gun in particular, or all guns in general.

Haven’t you seen movies where the star fires a .50 cal in the direction of a helicopter and it explodes in a gigantic Michael Bay fireball? Happens all the time…

Marcola on January 20, 2016 at 12:13 PM

But there have been no scandals during the Obama years – those memes on FB tell me so.

Ward Cleaver on January 20, 2016 at 12:14 PM

Which could be sunk by one burst from the multiple M2 Browning .50 machine guns each of the Navy boats were armed with.

Except that Queen Barry ordered them to surrender and not fight.

I think those boats were even equipped with GAU-17 or equivalent miniguns. It’s also a 40knot boat…

Eleven on January 20, 2016 at 12:15 PM

Haven’t you seen movies where the star fires a .50 cal in the direction of a helicopter and it explodes in a gigantic Michael Bay fireball? Happens all the time…

Marcola on January 20, 2016 at 12:13 PM

But the fireball is much bigger for the guys who hold a gatling gun in one hand and the ammo belt in the other……

dentarthurdent on January 20, 2016 at 12:18 PM

Let’s have an awards show devoted entirely to honoring Sean Penn for catching El Chapo.

Awareness needs to be more aware

SpongePuppy on January 20, 2016 at 12:19 PM

Sean Penn needs to be given a ticker tape parade for outing Chapo. The whole world needs to know he outed Chapo.

they lie on January 20, 2016 at 12:38 PM

Nope, wouldn’t work – .50s are made for helicopters, and maybe cars dontchaknow….. so I don’t think you can use them for boats…..

dentarthurdent on January 20, 2016 at 12:12 PM

Really? I’m looking at the Barret M82…

ConstantineXI on January 20, 2016 at 12:40 PM

Really? I’m looking at the Barret M82…

ConstantineXI on January 20, 2016 at 12:40 PM

That’s obviously a “Copter Killer” – so it wouldn’t work on boats.
For boats, I think you need something with a back thingy that goes down, or floats…….

dentarthurdent on January 20, 2016 at 12:45 PM

Haven’t you seen movies where the star fires a .50 cal in the direction of a helicopter and it explodes in a gigantic Michael Bay fireball? Happens all the time…

Marcola on January 20, 2016 at 12:13 PM

Hmmm… off the top of my head, I’m not sure. Seen that from an Uzi or Mac-10 of course, and pretty sure I’ve seen it from a pistol more than once.

.50? Can’t swear to that one. Let’s see, in Lethal Weapon he actually shot the operators, didn’t he?

But you see, handguns and “assault weapons” are what they’re focused on, and “anti-helicopter rifles” isn’t part of the narrative.

Maybe they need to put more scenes in movies where the bad guys shoot down aircraft with AR-15s.

GrumpyOldFart on January 20, 2016 at 12:51 PM

For boats, I think you need something with a back thingy that goes down, or floats…….

dentarthurdent on January 20, 2016 at 12:45 PM

Personally, I think if I was going into danger from small boats, I’d want this.

Although in fairness, I note that the Somalis who hijacked Maersk Alabama are unavailable for comment on the effectiveness of sniper rifles against small boats. ‘Nuff said.

GrumpyOldFart on January 20, 2016 at 12:57 PM

Here in California they now want to restrict sales of “long guns” by quantity as they do with handguns.

Instead of, you know, stopping terrorists (middle-eastern immigrants) who get other people to buy “long” guns for them.

Neo on January 20, 2016 at 1:00 PM

So if Obama’s executive privilege hides his putting guns in the hands of drug lords, what else does it hide?

itsspideyman on January 20, 2016 at 1:01 PM

Remember way back when people on the right actually suggested that Fast and Furious was intended to create a crisis, then exploit it to support more gun control?

What a bunch of crackpots!

/sarc

There Goes the Neighborhood on January 20, 2016 at 1:05 PM

So if Obama’s executive privilege hides his putting guns in the hands of drug lords, what else does it hide?

itsspideyman on January 20, 2016 at 1:01 PM

His transcripts for one.

ConstantineXI on January 20, 2016 at 1:25 PM

Do we now have to refer to .50-caliber rifles as the gun that can bring down a helicopter?

Eleven on January 20, 2016 at 10:42 AM

Only if they’re loaded with CopKiller™ bullets.

DarthBrooks on January 20, 2016 at 1:41 PM

Only if they’re loaded with CopterKiller™ bullets.

DarthBrooks on January 20, 2016 at 1:41 PM

Minor typo…..

dentarthurdent on January 20, 2016 at 1:44 PM

Holder should be impeached… Yes, he’s already been removed from office – the other penalty in impeachment is barring him from EVER holding a federal office again.

HBowmanMD on January 20, 2016 at 2:04 PM

I’m glad some of you folks have already attacked the helicopter meme that Faus is trying to sell

But…
Typical of the Faux fuques, they are all aghast over a long range sniper rifle that doesn’t even have a scope mounted on it, but no one seems to notice or care about the RPG and RPG rounds sitting right next to it, that could take down a commercial airliner on approach or takeoff, taxiing or at the gate …. or a bus, or a school room full of children, etc.

LegendHasIt on January 20, 2016 at 2:43 PM

Sniper rifles are not intended to take down a helicopter. Have you ever actually tired to look at a moving target, in the air, through a 25lb 5′ long rifle sitting on a bipod, while looking through the scope??!!??

Lol… I love reporters, they’re just so dumb that they’re actually cute.

KMC1 on January 20, 2016 at 3:30 PM

through a 25lb 5′ long rifle sitting on a bipod, while looking through the scope??!!??

KMC1 on January 20, 2016 at 3:30 PM

I think you need a lesson on where to mount the scope. ;)

no one seems to notice or care about the RPG and RPG rounds sitting right next to it

LegendHasIt on January 20, 2016 at 2:43 PM

Well, that’s just 3rd-world cartel stuff. It’s not like those could ever cross the border from Mexico to the US, you know. They’re illegal and stuff.

GWB on January 20, 2016 at 3:54 PM

RIP Border Patrol Agent Brian A. Terry.

HornetSting on January 20, 2016 at 5:03 PM

And this news is surprising because … ?

Fortyback on January 20, 2016 at 5:29 PM

For the umpteenth time, Ed, Fast and Furious wasn’t “botched”.

It was never a “sting” operation. The BATFE agent-in-charge Bill Newell and his US Attorney co-conspirator Dennis Burke made no attempt to track the guns. They ordered dealeers to complete illegal sales of thousands of guns and intentionally allowed those guns to go across the border to Mexican drug criminals.

There was no possible way to build any kind of criminal case against anyone based on those tactics.

What they were really attempting to do is open to conjecture, but what they were doing was clearly unlawful, in violation of long-standing DOJ policy, and the only plausible explanations all have corrupt political implications.

It wasn’t “botched”. It was a corrupt, criminal political enterprise from the beginning.

novaculus on January 20, 2016 at 5:39 PM

Which has the same credibility as Jeffery Dahmer’s defense attorney claiming he was innocent didn’t order that case of A1 Steak sauce.

ConstantineXI on January 20, 2016 at 10:41 AM

Pain Train on January 20, 2016 at 6:55 PM

Thank you Sean Penn for catching El Chapo

SpongePuppy on January 20, 2016 at 11:40 AM

Wouldn’t it be funny if Spicoli turned up as fish food.

Especially if he was hanging at the time with fellow Marxists Glover and Belafonte.

Pain Train on January 20, 2016 at 7:00 PM

. though we need a standing NAVY…

ConstantineXI on January 20, 2016 at 10:32 AM

Umm, don’t we need a floating Navy? :-)

Lammo on January 20, 2016 at 10:48 AM

Not all of the Navy needs to float (as long as you can still surface at the end of your patrol). :)

SubmarineDoc on January 20, 2016 at 8:23 PM

El Crappo sells arms to El Chapo!

geesoy on January 20, 2016 at 9:51 PM

Not all of the Navy needs to float (as long as you can still surface at the end of your patrol). :)

SubmarineDoc on January 20, 2016 at 8:23 PM

True, but at least with a submarine the lack of floating is, hopefully, under control.

Lammo on January 21, 2016 at 1:37 AM

When I saw that Barrett I said out loud “that’s a Fast and Furious gun”! and I’m just a dumbass hillbilly. Sure am glad that the ‘smart’ people knew what they were seeing. Holder has the the blood of inocents on his hands, EVERYONE involved in this is a criminal.

Of the weapons sold through Fast and Furious, 34 were $13,000 each, .50 caliber rifles that can take down a helicopter.

HOW COULD THEY EVER JUSTIFY DOING THIS!?

Pole-Cat on January 21, 2016 at 4:52 PM