Retiring Marine commander worried that women in combat roles will dilute standards

posted at 2:41 pm on January 18, 2016 by Jazz Shaw

The New York Post has an interview this week with someone weighing in on the whole women in combat question and it’s a person who should know a thing or two about the subject. Gen. John Kelly is a Marine and he’s the retiring head of the U.S. Southern Command. He’s been knocking around the service through a couple or three wars now and his greatest fear seems to deal less with the actual capabilities of any ladies volunteering to serve on the front lines and much more with the fickle and dishonest nature of our politicians.

Gen. John Kelly, USMC, is retiring after more than four decades as an active-duty Marine. His “greatest fear,” he says, is that the vast “equal opportunity” pressure for women in combat roles will lead the Pentagon to water down standards…

The reasons are obvious: On average, the two sexes simply have different physical virtues. Men will dominate when it comes to upper-body strength, which is generally vital in combat roles. And [Defense Secretary Ash] Carter has vowed not to alter the high standards for those roles.

But Kelly doubts that will last: “Whether it’s 12 months from now, four years from now…the question will be asked whether we’ve [truly] let women into these other roles.” Ideologues who don’t see the results they want will ask, “Why aren’t [women] staying in those roles? Why aren’t they advancing as infantry people?”

As supporting evidence, the article goes on to note that Navy Secretary Ray Mabus (who is in charge of the Marines at the cabinet level) already decided to override the recommendations of the Corps following several years of trials and study, telling them to get ready to fully integrate female riflemen on the front line in a period of only two weeks. Given the career civilian status of Mabus that doesn’t exactly inspire confidence in the politicians when it comes to making informed decisions.

The editorial draws a comparison to the watering down of standards at the New York City Fire Department in recent years after a similar gender equity policy was put in place.

The Fire Department of New York has bitter experience with the same drill. The Post runs regular exposés of the efforts to bend (already lowered) FDNY standards with an eye to a “better” gender balance.

Look, we admire the heck out of a woman who keeps trying even after she’s failed a key FDNY physical test six times. But it’s shocking to see her become a firefighter without ever passing.

I wrote about that case back in May of last year. There are less than fifty women in the NYFD (which is a massive organization) and that’s primarily because the physical standards to pass their training regimen are so grueling. (Not on the same level as Marine boot camp, mind you, but pretty rough nonetheless.) That story dealt with the tale of Rebecca Wax.

Rebecca Wax, 33, is set to graduate Tuesday from the Fire Academy without passing the Functional Skills Training test, a grueling obstacle course of job-related tasks performed in full gear with a limited air supply, an insider has revealed.

“They’re going to allow the first person to graduate without passing because this administration has lowered the standard,” said the insider, who is familiar with the training.

The training program she failed involved climbing in full gear while carrying heavy equipment, rescuing victims in zero visibility, breaking down doors, and doing it all while breathing oxygen from a tank on a limited timer. Sounds like just the sort of thing that a firefighter might have to do in an emergency situation, no? But once the politicians got involved and noticed that not enough women were able to complete the course, they started making exceptions. Is that really the sort of precedent you want to set for our riflemen on the front line going up against the Taliban?

General Kelly has legitimate grounds to be concerned because he’s spent enough time dealing with politicians to know that they can’t always be trusted in military matters. It would be nice if the Secretary of the Navy could slow his roll a bit and perhaps listen to somebody with the experience to know what he’s talking about.

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Magicjava on January 18, 2016 at 3:00 PM

Your sis wasn’t forced to register with Selective Service, so spare the rest of us your garbage about equality, breh.

Christien on January 18, 2016 at 7:00 PM

major dad on January 18, 2016 at 5:47 PM

It’s your position that if the CJCS resigned over a policy that put Marines lives in danger and significantly reduced combat readiness and effectiveness, it would have no bearing on the execution of that policy?

Do you equally agree that were the FBI recommends charges against Hillary Clinton and the AG refused to acknowledge, en masse career Justice Department lawyer resignations would have no effect on Hillary’s run for president?

Knowingly implementing bad policy is not leadership. It illuminates a lack of many of the following: jjdidtiebuckle

Oh, and this particular issue is the reason Ash Carter is threatening to demote Petreaus; the message is clear, “F**k with me and not only will I ruin your good name and tarnish your entire career, but I’ll take your pension.” You don’t salute such men.

BKeyser on January 18, 2016 at 7:00 PM

I’ve got one word to describe the “I told you so” of this who bad social experiment gone so horribly wrong…. Derp.

Voodoo Chile on January 18, 2016 at 8:20 PM

Women can push buttons to launch missiles just as well as men.

Magicjava on January 18, 2016 at 2:49 PM

PUT YOUR HAND ON THAT WALL!!!

BDavis on January 18, 2016 at 9:25 PM

major dad on January 18, 2016 at 5:47 PM

It’s your position that if the CJCS resigned over a policy that put Marines lives in danger and significantly reduced combat readiness and effectiveness, it would have no bearing on the execution of that policy?

Do you equally agree that were the FBI recommends charges against Hillary Clinton and the AG refused to acknowledge, en masse career Justice Department lawyer resignations would have no effect on Hillary’s run for president?

Knowingly implementing bad policy is not leadership. It illuminates a lack of many of the following: jjdidtiebuckle

Oh, and this particular issue is the reason Ash Carter is threatening to demote Petreaus; the message is clear, “F**k with me and not only will I ruin your good name and tarnish your entire career, but I’ll take your pension.” You don’t salute such men.

BKeyser on January 18, 2016 at 7:00 PM

Work within or work without?
There are always pros and cons for each choice.
But there is a certain visceral preference for the guy who finally says, “Hell no” – and walks out the door.

AesopFan on January 19, 2016 at 12:31 AM

The drones will fight as hard as ever, and that’s what matters.

David Blue on January 19, 2016 at 1:59 AM

Schadenfreude on January 18, 2016 at 3:22 PM

First Rule of Holes:

STOP DIGGING

BigSven on January 19, 2016 at 11:07 AM

Why not lower the standards? Natural Born standards have sure been lowered among many.

VorDaj on January 18, 2016 at 2:46 PM

Yes, Johnny One Note. Lowered so far from … 1790, when it was declared that the children of American citizens born abroad were natural born citizens.

There Goes the Neighborhood on January 19, 2016 at 1:07 PM

Most guys would not opt for a woman partner…most women would opt for a woman partner…

right2bright on January 18, 2016 at 4:16 PM

I’m a woman. If I was somewhere where I might be shot at, I would opt for a guy beside me.

cptacek on January 19, 2016 at 6:07 PM

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