NFL divisional round Sunday open thread

posted at 12:31 pm on January 17, 2016 by Jazz Shaw

Jazz: The (post) season of .500 continues, I’m afraid. The Packers game went as expected (sorry, Green Bay) but my fears about the zombie that is New England came to pass. Kansas City should have won that game but the Pats just dominated them. That adds up to a 3-3 record for me thus far in the post season and inspires some real questions about one of the games today. Still, it is what it is and we have a couple more playoff contests to deal with.

Ed: It’s a brisk -10 out here in Minnesota, with a wind chill of -34. The NFL should be very, very grateful that the Vikings blew a chip-shot field goal last week to avoid coming to the Great Frozen North. I went 1-1 yesterday to run my playoff record to 4-2, which isn’t exactly hot but isn’t -10 either. I was actually rooting for the Packers yesterday (even though I had picked the Cardinals) and thought they had to win after that Hail Mary TD at the end of regulation. Larry Fitzgerald had other ideas. Great game. Let’s hope we have a couple more of those today.

Jazz: The Seahawks visit the Panthers (1:05 pm, FOX) and Vegas is sticking with Carolina as a slim, 2.5 point favorite, which could basically just come down to home field advantage. There’s something to be said for that argument since Seattle was one of the fifteen teams that the Panthers beat in their remarkable season. But Seattle has been to this rodeo before and they’ve been awesome on the road. Their defense has only given up a single touchdown during the last six away games. Carolina looks stronger on offense and Seattle will have to find a way to contain tight end Greg Olsen, but it seems to come down to offense vs. defense here for a pick and I usually side with the defensive side. I’ll go with the upset and take the Seahawks in a close, 20-17 victory, possibly even in overtime.

Ed: Seattle has a great defense, #2 in the league, but so does Carolina, 6th-ranked. Seattle’s offense is ranked 4th and Carolina’s 11th, but the Panthers average about five more points a game over the Seahawks. Seattle gets Marshawn Lynch back today in a warmer-weather site, and that might make the Seattle offense a little more capable than they looked last week in Minnesota against the 13th-ranked defense of the Vikings. Sometimes having a week off dulls a team, but I doubt that will be the case with Cam Newton, who has been ebullient all season. I’ll take the same score as Jazz but the other way around, 20-17 Panthers.

Jazz: Now for the biggie, at least as far as I’m concerned, and obviously for Ed. The Steelers are on the road in Denver to face the Broncos. (4:40 pm, CBS) I’m mostly invested in this game because the winner will be the team with the last chance to stop the gods forsaken Patriots before they get to the Superbowl yet again. Pittsburgh is the sentimental favorite since I’d rather see them win it all if the Jets can’t go to the show. But the betting line has Denver up by more than a touchdown for several reasons. Big Ben is playing hurt, as is DeAngelo Williams, with Antonio Brown riding the bench. Denver is well rested and healthy with all of their starters back on the line. While it pains me to do it, I’m going to have to go with the Broncos 28-17.

Ed: Let’s face it — I can rationalize my choice all I want, but in the end I’m picking the Steelers because I never pick against them. Today is one of those days where it’s more on loyalty than anything else. However, Peyton Manning doesn’t do well in cold playoff environments; as ESPN points out this morning, the future Hall of Famer is 0-5 in postseason starts when the temperature drops below 40 degrees. This will be Manning’s first start in two months, and he’s only played part of a half since then. It’s a thin reed, but I’ll grasp it and predict a 28-23 win for the Steelers today. Martavis Bryant has to step it up big time, but expect to see a lot of Heath Miller with Big Ben’s sore shoulder.

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Go Lions!

Flange on January 17, 2016 at 12:33 PM

GO SEAHAWKS!!!

portlandon on January 17, 2016 at 12:33 PM

Over/under on how many players the Steelers take out with cheap shots? They took out one the last time these two played, not to mention all the others they’ve taken out this year.

I say they go for two this time, they’re desperate.

Buckeye Conservative on January 17, 2016 at 12:38 PM

Panthers and Broncos.

TXUS on January 17, 2016 at 12:39 PM

Neither Seattle nor Pittsburgh deserves to be playing today. The football gods will correct those errors. Carolina and Denver advance.

BKeyser on January 17, 2016 at 12:42 PM

Until Ben throws a ball deep at least twice Denver will fill the box

gerrym51 on January 17, 2016 at 12:42 PM

Of course Jazz picks Seattle.

Carolina is the least respected 15-1, #1 seed ever. I’ll never forget on Thanksgiving Day, the Vegas line installed the lowly Cowboys (4-12) as favorites over the then undefeated Panthers.

The Panthers have Jonathan Stewart and Ted Ginn back. I’m hoping they can prove themselves in today’s game.

TarheelBen on January 17, 2016 at 12:45 PM

The Steelers are the dirtiest team in the NFL by far, and that includes their cheating coaching staff. I hope the Broncos knock the molester Roethliswhatever out of the game.

fossten on January 17, 2016 at 12:49 PM

Neither Seattle nor Pittsburgh deserves to be playing today. The football gods will correct those errors. Carolina and Denver advance.

BKeyser on January 17, 2016 at 12:42 PM

Really? REALLY??!?

#1 defense.

#4 QB.

Really???!??!?

Shepherd Lover on January 17, 2016 at 12:52 PM

Until Ben throws a ball deep at least twice Denver will fill the box

gerrym51 on January 17, 2016 at 12:42 PM

They’ll stack the box because of the strength of their secondary, but they’ll expect Ben to throw deep. It’s well known outside of Pittsburgh that Ben is a drama queen. He’ll act like he’s dying, and easily throw a deep ball or evade pressure. Most of the time it’s an act, and Denver is expecting it.

Buckeye Conservative on January 17, 2016 at 12:53 PM

Oh, and…

GO ‘HAWKS!!

Shepherd Lover on January 17, 2016 at 12:53 PM

Shepherd Lover on January 17, 2016 at 12:52 PM

Pittsburgh beat Cincy thanks to the officials.

fossten on January 17, 2016 at 12:54 PM

The Steelers are the dirtiest team in the NFL by far, and that includes their cheating coaching staff. I hope the Broncos knock the molester Roethliswhatever out of the game.

fossten on January 17, 2016 at 12:49 PM

There’s a reason that team’s name comes up so often when you Google “dirty NFL teams.” But the revenue they bring in is incredible. The NFL came out against the antics on display against Cincinnati, yet focused most of the hate against the victims, not the instigators. Meanwhile, they were slapping each other on the backs over the ratings the game received. It was a low-scoring, ugly, and “football boring” game. The ratings came from the drama surrounding the dirty hits, hair-pulling, etc.

Buckeye Conservative on January 17, 2016 at 12:56 PM

Carolina is the least respected 15-1, #1 seed ever.
TarheelBen on January 17, 2016 at 12:45 PM

This will go a long way to proving if they’re legit. I know they can only play who they’re scheduled to play, but you have to admit, that schedule was a cake walk. And Tedd Ginn is highly underrated. Sure, he’s had drop issues, but he’s also gotten open in situations few other receivers could.

Buckeye Conservative on January 17, 2016 at 12:58 PM

Pittsburgh beat Cincy thanks to the officials.

fossten on January 17, 2016 at 12:54 PM

Shep is a Seahawks fan, seemed to only take exception to mention of them not deserving the win.

I wasn’t sold on them early, but Wilson was on a complete tear to end the season. Dangerous team to play, and they have the experience at this level. I like them in the Super Bowl again with a rematch against the Pats or Broncos. I think the NFL tries to rig the storyline, so I’m putting money on Hawks v. Pats rematch and Goodell exacting revenge on Brady.

Buckeye Conservative on January 17, 2016 at 1:01 PM

Speaking of cold, Blair Walsh has rededicated himself to improving his kicking game.

‘I’ve hired a licking coach with Super Bowl experience’ he said. ‘Scott Norwood is going to help me get it right next time’ he explained.

Jag909 on January 17, 2016 at 1:02 PM

but you have to admit, that schedule was a cake walk.

Buckeye Conservative on January 17, 2016 at 12:58 PM

They did beat Seattle – in Seattle. And they whipped other playoff teams like Green Bay, Washington and Houston.

And as I type, they already scored. Carolina 7 Seattle 0.

TarheelBen on January 17, 2016 at 1:11 PM

Panthers 14, ‘Hawks 0 only 3:30 into the 1st quarter.
My prediction of an ass-wiping looks pretty prescient now, eh?

Tard on January 17, 2016 at 1:16 PM

Buckeye Conservative on January 17, 201

Keep whining. This Steeler fan feasts on your tears.

Bengals out…again.

pittsburgh beat Cincy thanks to the officials.

fossten on January 17, 2016 at 12:54 PM

Heh..now that is funny. Funny, you little babies see what you want to see.

You don’t see Bengals coaches and players on the field when they shouldn’t be. You don’t see AJ Green NOT called for movement on his TD play. You don’t see Gilberry intentionally run into Porter’s back leading to YOUR meltdown.You seem to forget that Shazier was not fined and his play was not dirty. And that he should have a TD on that play. You forget that
Burfict was kneeing BR after he tackled him . I wonder is Pecko dirty??
Where was the flag on the Bengals for several players running off the field with the ball after that INT?

You guys are worse than liberals.

fossten , not sure whose tears taste better….

Go Steelers!

CWforFreedom on January 17, 2016 at 1:16 PM

molester Roethliswhatever out of the game.

fossten on January 17, 2016 at 12:49 PM

I missed that. ES you piece of garbage.

CWforFreedom on January 17, 2016 at 1:17 PM

Lightning strikes! Luke Kuechly picks off Wilson, scores, and it’s 14-0!

TarheelBen on January 17, 2016 at 1:18 PM

Of course Jazz picks Seattle.

Carolina is the least respected 15-1, #1 seed ever. I’ll never forget on Thanksgiving Day, the Vegas line installed the lowly Cowboys (4-12) as favorites over the then undefeated Panthers.

Clearly the rapid start that the Seahawks are off to has shown you the error of your ways.

Jazz Shaw on January 17, 2016 at 1:20 PM

Go Lions!

Flange on January 17, 2016 at 12:33 PM

What he said.

307wolverine on January 17, 2016 at 1:20 PM

Panthers 14, ‘Hawks 0 only 3:30 into the 1st quarter.
My prediction of an ass-wiping looks pretty prescient now, eh?

Wow. Very impressive so far.

Buckeye Conservative on January 17, 2016 at 1:23 PM

You seem to forget that Shazier was not fined and his play was not dirty. And that he should have a TD on that play.
CWforFreedom on January 17, 2016 at 1:16 PM

It’s not dirty to lead with the crown of your helmet and hit another player in the jaw? Despite the rules saying otherwise. Enjoy seeing the entire Steelers’ offense taken out on “clean” hits next year ;-)

And you forgot to mention the Bryant TD that was only good per NCAA rules, or the Blake headhunting on a defenseless Eifert, or the “manly” hair pulling, DeCastro throwing Burfict down after the whistle, etc.

In a fairly called game, including Green’s false start, the Steelers lose. A few of them are honest enough to know that, the rest are delusional. No tears, just facts, and it’s always great to see the meltdowns and name-calling in response.

Buckeye Conservative on January 17, 2016 at 1:28 PM

Well that went bad quickly.

portlandon on January 17, 2016 at 1:28 PM

the winner will be the team with the last chance to stop the gods forsaken Patriots before they get to the Superbowl yet again

Yep, I feel exactly the same way. I’m sick of the Patriots.

cat_owner on January 17, 2016 at 1:31 PM

You guys are worse than liberals.
CWforFreedom on January 17, 2016 at 1:16 PM

Hmmm…more dirty hits than any team in the NFL, but blame everyone else. Overwhelming media bias ignores head-hunting, ankle twisting by Mike Mitchell but pushes the narrative that other teams are out of control. Team will do anything it takes to win, even if it’s unethical. Ownership is a bunch of liberals.

Sounds like classic projection, CW, another liberal tactic.

Buckeye Conservative on January 17, 2016 at 1:32 PM

Jonathan Stewart!

Ducks.

Christien on January 17, 2016 at 1:34 PM

Ed Dickson!

Ducks.

Christien on January 17, 2016 at 1:36 PM

Seahawk (Rino)strategy: We’ll show them in the second half.

diogenes on January 17, 2016 at 1:38 PM

21 – 0 Carolina.

Not exactly a first quarter score I would have bet on. And the quarter isn’t over yet.

cat_owner on January 17, 2016 at 1:43 PM

Wow. All the Steelers haters.

People really do tell you who they fear….

ladyingray on January 17, 2016 at 1:47 PM

I guess the Hawk strategy is get the Panthers all tuckered out from scoring all those points and get ’em in the 2nd Half.

307wolverine on January 17, 2016 at 1:48 PM

It looks like my cards are heading to Carolina if this keeps up

Geez

cmsinaz on January 17, 2016 at 1:49 PM

At this rate the final score will be about 192 – 0 Panthers.

diogenes on January 17, 2016 at 1:52 PM

Carolina’s defensive front has been dominating. Their pressure has resulted in two picks, a sack, and Lynch has zero yards so far.

TarheelBen on January 17, 2016 at 1:53 PM

People really do tell you who they fear….

ladyingray on January 17, 2016 at 1:47 PM

You’re not kidding. From Vince Williams threatening to kill players in the offseason, to the history of repeated cheap shots, they’re quite literally a dangerous team to play.

Buckeye Conservative on January 17, 2016 at 1:56 PM

Panthers 31-0…heh.

22044 on January 17, 2016 at 2:02 PM

Is Frank Reich available.

22044 on January 17, 2016 at 2:03 PM

At this rate the final score will be about 192 – 0 Panthers.

diogenes on January 17, 2016 at 1:52 PM

Maybe 192-14 (garbage time, etc.)

Who is John Galt on January 17, 2016 at 2:05 PM

To put this game in perspective – Carolina has 213 first half yards to Seattle’s 17. Marshawn Lynch has 3 yards on 4 carries.

TarheelBen on January 17, 2016 at 2:07 PM

You don’t see Bengals coaches and players on the field when they shouldn’t be. You don’t see AJ Green NOT called for movement on his TD play. You don’t see Gilberry intentionally run into Porter’s back leading to YOUR meltdown.You seem to forget that Shazier was not fined and his play was not dirty. And that he should have a TD on that play. You forget that
Burfict was kneeing BR after he tackled him . I wonder is Pecko dirty??
Where was the flag on the Bengals for several players running off the field with the ball after that INT?

You guys are worse than liberals.

fossten , not sure whose tears taste better….

Go Steelers!

CWforFreedom on January 17, 2016 at 1:16 PM

I saw the Bengals get a PF with no helmet hit, and the Steelers get no PF on helmet to helmet which caused a fumble but the player got suspended 3 games – interesting…

Also here’s a nice photo of your cheater coach…

http://kfmb.images.worldnow.com/images/24135135_BG2.jpg

fossten on January 17, 2016 at 2:07 PM

To put this game in perspective – Carolina has 213 first half yards to Seattle’s 17. Marshawn Lynch has 3 yards on 4 carries.

TarheelBen on January 17, 2016 at 2:07 PM

Utter dominance. My doubts all season were completely incorrect.

Buckeye Conservative on January 17, 2016 at 2:09 PM

Time for another Kuechly pick-six!!! Go Panthers!!!!!!!!

FNH57 on January 17, 2016 at 2:09 PM

Who is John Galt on January 17, 2016 at 2:05 PM

For lovers of good football, “this ain’t it”. What a difference between last night and today.

diogenes on January 17, 2016 at 2:11 PM

http://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/culture/dylan-gwinn/2016/01/16/seahawks-lineman-sees-american-dream-one-greatest-lies-ever

BallisticBob on January 17, 2016 at 12:52 PM

One of the commenters on that site said okung would probably have to leave the game because he’s injury prone. He did.

VegasRick on January 17, 2016 at 2:11 PM

…I hate Cam Newton…but I have an emotional attachment to guard Michael Oher…ever since the movie “Blind Side”…and the way they are playing…it looks like it will be the Pats and Carolina.
…I’ll be with the Pats…only because everybody hates on them.

JugEarsButtHurt on January 17, 2016 at 2:12 PM

And let’s not forget that Hines Ward got a rule named after him because of his dirty play.

fossten on January 17, 2016 at 2:14 PM

I think the new grass and Vitamin D are messing with the Seahawks.

Christien on January 17, 2016 at 2:20 PM

Go Steelers………..

crosshugger on January 17, 2016 at 2:20 PM

Your SDS is funny, fossten.

22044 on January 17, 2016 at 2:21 PM

Bungles fans tears are still great.

Completely psychologically broken by the Steelers. Fans, players, and coaches. Wouldn’t be surprised if the front office was too.

Even the Browns have more self-respect when it comes to being the Steelers little bro.

deepelemblues on January 17, 2016 at 2:29 PM

Your SDS is funny, fossten.

22044 on January 17, 2016 at 2:21 PM

I’m not a Bengals fan. I’m a Cowboys fan. And yes I have SDS. I hate the Steelers. But they are dirty.

fossten on January 17, 2016 at 2:31 PM

I think the new grass and Vitamin D are messing with the Seahawks.

Christien on January 17, 2016 at 2:20 PM

I think the Seahawks brought their own “grass”. Both teams are playing on the same field, last I checked.

FNH57 on January 17, 2016 at 2:32 PM

So why didn’t the Packers go for 2 to win the game after the Hail Mary pass? it was the only certain time they had the control over winning or losing.

I can’t believe there isn’t more criticism over the coach’s call to go for 1 and the tie. They had all the momentum at that time, and the Cardinals were reeling after giving up 100 yards in two plays with so little time remaining in the game.

Americanman28 on January 17, 2016 at 2:50 PM

So why didn’t the Packers go for 2 to win the game after the Hail Mary pass? it was the only certain time they had the control over winning or losing.

I can’t believe there isn’t more criticism over the coach’s call to go for 1 and the tie. They had all the momentum at that time, and the Cardinals were reeling after giving up 100 yards in two plays with so little time remaining in the game.

Americanman28 on January 17, 2016 at 2:50 PM

Really good point, but I suspect McCarthy was nauseous at the thought of the second guessing that would have occurred had they not made it. Shades of Pete Carroll, etc.

fossten on January 17, 2016 at 2:56 PM

Carolina needed about 3 1/2 minutes to go up 14. In the 2nd half, Seattle nearly got 14 back in just over 4 minutes, but Wilson overthrew Baldwin.

22044 on January 17, 2016 at 3:00 PM

Sea chickens going to need a quick score here.

rbj on January 17, 2016 at 3:36 PM

I hate to tell you Ed, cause I love ya, but I’m sitting about 6 blocks from Mile High, & my weather app says it’s 45 degrees f. So much for statistics

chasmartel on January 17, 2016 at 3:42 PM

They need an on-site kick, if they score.

22044 on January 17, 2016 at 3:43 PM

Betcha Seattle wishes they woulda kicked that FG in the 1st Half instead of going for it on 4th Down. That could be the key play of the game.

307wolverine on January 17, 2016 at 4:09 PM

Your SDS is funny, fossten.

22044 on January 17, 2016 at 2:21 PM

Yeah, almost as funny as the regular BDS displayed here by Steelers and Jets fans, among others (“BDS” = “Brady/Belicheat Derangement Syndrome”).

For the record, in yesterday’s game the Patriots outcheated the Chiefs, 6 penalties to 5. But the Patriots only lost 18 yards for their 6 penalties, an average of 3 yards per cheat, while the Chiefs were flagged for 40 yards, an average of 8 yards per cheat. Not easy to win a game that way!

As for all of the nonsense about how last week’s Steelers-Bengals game ended, I’ll leave it to Sports Illustrated’s Peter King to discuss the Steelers’ behavior late in that game:

News item: About that Adam Jones penalty in Cincinnati … Steelers linebackers coach Joey Porter, who caused the crucial unsportsmanlike-conduct penalty on Jones to happen in the final seconds Saturday night, should not have been on the field at the time. The league allows medical personnel and the head coach to be on the field; the reason Porter wasn’t shooed away, I am told, is that there was real concern for Antonio Brown as he lay on the ground after the hit from Vontaze Burfict that generated the first 15-yard flag on the play. Without the flag on Jones, the Steelers would have been at the Cincinnati 32 with no timeouts and 18 seconds left. With the flag on Jones, they were in position to try a 35-yard field goal by Chris Boswell. It was good, and Pittsburgh won 18-16.

So, two issues here: Porter, from replays, was hanging around the Cincinnati defensive players at one point, which absolutely should have been policed by the officiating crew on hand. One former coach who faced Porter and the Steelers several times said Sunday he was one of the best players in the league at saying incendiary things to opponents and hoping they’d pop off and get a penalty. After the game, Jones told Mike Silver of NFL Network: “He ain’t supposed to be on the [expletive] field! He was talking all kinds of [expletive], yelling at [Burfict], saying, ‘You a dirty son of a b—- … Take your b—- a– out of here …’ ”

When Jones tried to get at Porter—stupidly, of course—Jones jostled field judge Buddy Horton, who threw the flag on him. If Porter was doing the trolling that Jones described on the field, he should have been flagged first, because he wasn’t supposed to be out there in the first place. But Jones, in that situation, had to be smart enough to walk away, and he wasn’t. The league has been telling officials to cut down on the offsetting penalties, to flag the instigator in cases where the two sides are both wrong. In this case, if Jones is correct in what he says about Porter, I believe Porter got away with instigating this.

Discuss…..

Del Dolemonte on January 17, 2016 at 5:04 PM

“gods forsaken Patriots?” Seriously, Jazz? You need to get off this vitriol against the Pats.
Sorry our QB had one football 1/2 lb under inflated, i guess we need to find ourselves a drunk who can’t be located, or a guy who punches his girlfriend then drags her off an elevator by her hair, or a domestic violence abuser, or a dog fighter who electrocutes or hangs the losing dogs, or maybe a partier who crashes his car, killing and maiming…or a partier who corners girls in bathrooms and sexually assaults them…oh, the list goes on and on…

NHElle on January 17, 2016 at 5:35 PM

“gods forsaken Patriots?” Seriously, Jazz? You need to get off this vitriol against the Pats.

Banned

Jazz Shaw on January 17, 2016 at 6:00 PM

I was impressed with the Seahawks second half – denying the Panthers ANY points and getting to within a single touchdown was quite the feat, nicely done, boys!

Tard on January 17, 2016 at 6:14 PM

Finally some life in Denver.

rbj on January 17, 2016 at 7:40 PM

Hey, a pair of ones vs. twos next weekend.

rbj on January 17, 2016 at 7:51 PM

So Brady v. Newton Super Bowl? Have a feeling either of those NFC teams would slaughter Denver right now. League can’t want that.

eski502 on January 17, 2016 at 8:12 PM

…I hate Cam Newton…but I have an emotional attachment to guard Michael Oher…ever since the movie “Blind Side”…and the way they are playing…it looks like it will be the Pats and Carolina.
…I’ll be with the Pats…only because everybody hates on them.

JugEarsButtHurt on January 17, 2016 at 2:12 PM

I believe the panthers have to get by the redbirds first. which I am not sure they
can do.

and NE has to get by Denver.

conservative tarheel on January 17, 2016 at 8:13 PM

SUCK IT STEELERS! BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

fossten on January 17, 2016 at 8:34 PM

Broncos are my #1, Patriots #2 – and frankly I don’t think the Broncos deserved the win today – in fact we still can’t believe they ended up #1 with the way they played this season.
If Denver plays the same next week, they’ll get their @sses kicked – unless the NFL conspiracy theory script says they’re destined to win the Superbowl so Peyton can retire……

dentarthurdent on January 17, 2016 at 8:35 PM

and NE has to get by Denver.

conservative tarheel on January 17, 2016 at 8:13 PM

Which may not be difficult if Denver plays the same as they did today….

dentarthurdent on January 17, 2016 at 8:46 PM

At least New England has to play a road playoff game for a change.

Dollayo on January 17, 2016 at 8:58 PM

SUCK IT STEELERS! BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
fossten on January 17, 2016 at 8:34 PM

Karma, ha.

Buckeye Conservative on January 18, 2016 at 12:13 AM

Kansas City should have won that game but the Pats just dominated them.

Jazz, Something in that just doesn’t sound right.

Notice the first round all the wildcard teams won. In the second round all the wildcard teams lost. Hmmm.

Go Cardinals!

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TerryW on January 18, 2016 at 10:07 AM

At least New England has to play a road playoff game for a change.

Dollayo on January 17, 2016 at 8:58 PM

New England has played in the AFC Championship Game 4 times on the road.

Their record is 2-2.

Del Dolemonte on January 18, 2016 at 10:41 AM