Video: Did Rubio say in 2008 that he supports cap-and-trade in Florida?

posted at 2:41 pm on January 13, 2016 by Allahpundit

Rubio fans are griping at me on Twitter that it was unfair to post this truncated clip of what he said in 2008 in Headlines when the full clip of what he said at the time reveals something different. Fair enough. Watch the truncated one below, followed by an extended answer — or, better yet, click here and skip to 23:00 to watch the full, unedited response at the time (it only runs two minutes or so). The truncated clip makes it sound like Rubio is endorsing a cap-and-trade scheme for Florida. Not so:

In his second ses­sion, Ru­bio played hard­ball with Crist. Cli­mate change was one of Crist’s sig­na­ture is­sues, and he wanted the Le­gis­lature to pass a bill that would lay the ground­work for a Cali­for­nia-style cap-and-trade sys­tem to cut car­bon emis­sions. Ru­bio and House con­ser­vat­ives op­posed the idea, but pub­lic sen­ti­ment was with Crist. The House ul­ti­mately passed the bill, but Ru­bio’s team in­ser­ted a pois­on pill that pre­ven­ted the plan from go­ing in­to ef­fect. “I fully cred­it him with the gut­ting of the bill,” Gel­ber says.

You’ll see him say in the extended clip that he supports market solutions to the problem, not a government mandate. So why does he also say that he wants Florida’s EPA to design a cap-and-trade scheme? The key comes at the beginning of the first clip, when he says a federal cap-and-trade program is “inevitable.” That wasn’t a crazy thing to believe at the time: In March 2008, when he gave this interview, Obama and McCain both favored the idea. Seven months later, during her VP debate with Joe Biden, none other than Sarah Palin said she was in favor of it too. If I’m understanding him correctly, Rubio’s point here was that Florida needed to be prepared for the new federal rules about carbon by cooking up its own cap-and-trade model now, which it could take down off the shelf and implement if, and only if, the feds finally passed something. Once there was a mandate in place and federal money was available, Florida would have no choice but to play ball. That wasn’t Rubio’s preferred way of tackling the problem, just a pragmatic take on how to be ready for when the new carbon regime was instituted.

In other words, if you want to punish him for this, you’re on firmer ground punishing him for looking ahead to playing ball with the feds on an expensive new federal program than in focusing instead on drumming up grassroots opposition to stopping it. It’s a bit like saying in late 2009, before ObamaCare had actually passed, that Florida should design its own ObamaCare exchange and be ready to implement it once O-Care was on the books. That was … not where conservative priorities lay at the time. But that’s unfair to Rubio since it’s not a perfect analogy: As noted, support for a cap-and-trade scheme was bipartisan whereas party divisions over ObamaCare were stark as can be. It wasn’t crazy to think cap-and-trade was a done deal even before legislation had passed; in fact, had Obama focused on that instead of O-Care when he had a filibuster-proof majority in the Senate, we’d have it today. I can imagine Rubio tanking in New Hampshire and beyond, but not because of this.




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I’m glad we have people like Jeff Jacoby to tell us how severely conservative Mr. Rubio is.

makattak on January 13, 2016 at 2:44 PM

Interesting take on the wreckage that is the GOPe agenda, in general, and Rubio’s position, in particular.

* Checks latest polls to see if it gives Rubio a bounce. Sees none. *

Try harder.

Magicjava on January 13, 2016 at 2:47 PM

It’s like adding an amendment to an immigration bill that says amnesty for illegal aliens is ok as long as the illegals can’t become citizens.

No one would ever do that, would they?

HDFOB on January 13, 2016 at 2:49 PM

Another tired, recycled, debunked attack directly from the Crist 2010 playbook. The clip making the rounds today is lifted verbatim from a dishonest Crist attack ad. These oppo researchers really are grasping at straws, and the fear is palpable.

Excellent117 on January 13, 2016 at 2:50 PM

Along with Fiorina: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bO6Bdt7mbVY&info=FiorinaSupportsCapTrade

Christie: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uPxDnb2-aVI&i=ChristieParrotsLeftistsOnClimateChange

The list of GOP-e candidates that support the leftists on climate change is long.

But that list doesn’t include Cruz, or Trump:

Trump on climate change:

“This very expensive global warming bullshit has got to stop.” -Donald Trump

“Surprise? 1970’s global cooling alarmists were pushing the same no-growth liberal agenda as today’s global warming.” -Donald Trump

“Gore wants us to clean up our factories and plants in order to protect us from global warming, when China and other countries couldn’t care less. It would make us totally non-competitive in the manufacturing world, and China, Japan and India are laughing at America’s stupidity.” -Donald Trump

“With the coldest winter ever recorded, with snow setting record levels up and down the coast, the Nobel committee should take the Nobel Prize back from Al Gore.” -Donald Trump

1 minute video:

Trump at NH rally utilizes the conservative crowd to dismiss a leftist questioner: http://www.c-span.org/video/?c4551721/trump-mocks-climate-change-question

anotherJoe on January 13, 2016 at 2:52 PM

It wasn’t crazy to think cap-and-trade was a done deal even before legislation had passed; in fact, had Obama focused on that instead of O-Care when he had a filibuster-proof majority in the Senate, we’d have it today.

Oh really?

The Pelosi-led House passed a cap-and-trade bill in June or July 2009 yet Harry Reid refused to even bring the bill forward in the Senate. Reid apparently feared the consequences of passing cap-and-trade more than he did OCare.

Bitter Clinger on January 13, 2016 at 2:53 PM

That wasn’t a crazy thing to believe at the time: In March 2008, when he gave this interview, Obama and McCain both favored the idea.

Saying something was supported by Obama and McCain isn’t exactly a ringing endorsement. Both are manmade global warming alarmists. Considering Rubio also supports amnesty and an interventionist foreign policy, it really does sound like we’d be nominating a younger McCain which is the last thing we need.

Doughboy on January 13, 2016 at 2:56 PM

It wasn’t crazy to think cap-and-trade was a done deal even before legislation had passed; in fact, had Obama focused on that instead of O-Care when he had a filibuster-proof majority in the Senate, we’d have it today.

Oh really?

The Pelosi-led House passed a cap-and-trade bill in June or July 2009 yet Harry Reid refused to even bring the bill forward in the Senate. Reid apparently feared the consequences of passing cap-and-trade more than he did OCare.

Bitter Clinger on January 13, 2016 at 2:53 PM

Yup. The Dems were too scared to pass a global warming bill. And that was before ClimateGate happened.

Paul Ryan, on the other hand, happily including funding for Obama’s global warming nonsense in his omnibus.

Magicjava on January 13, 2016 at 2:58 PM

Today, on Jeb/Rubio’s turf

Schadenfreude on January 13, 2016 at 2:59 PM

and the fear is palpable.

Excellent117 on January 13, 2016 at 2:50 PM

Sure is

Paul hung out with Alex Jones today.

Schadenfreude on January 13, 2016 at 3:01 PM

Rubiolito/Niki, for the two TEA party traitors

I like what Niki did to herself, in a flawlessly delivered speech.

Schadenfreude on January 13, 2016 at 3:02 PM

The propaganda was (and still is) widespread.

I can’t hold politicians to a standard for being bamboozled by the full court press pre-climategate revelations.

What they say after Copenhagen – that’s the standard.

papertiger on January 13, 2016 at 3:04 PM

Algore still gets to keep the money, right?

Fallon on January 13, 2016 at 3:08 PM

Hmmm…. Algore still gets to keep the money, right?

Link to story, apparently sticky.

Fallon on January 13, 2016 at 3:10 PM

Let’s see if this one works.

Fallon on January 13, 2016 at 3:11 PM

Rubio’s comments are being taken out of context and this attack is extremely dishonest.

…still not voting for him.

Megyn Kellys Lipstick on January 13, 2016 at 3:13 PM

Rubio lies, Rubio lies all the time.

The Haley rebuttal was the GOPe telling the base to FOAD. I knew it would be them that split the party.

jukin3 on January 13, 2016 at 3:13 PM

Talk about unconservative and cheap.

Schadenfreude on January 13, 2016 at 3:18 PM

His BFF is Chuck Schumer. That’s really all I have to know Rubio.

Mr. Arrogant on January 13, 2016 at 3:18 PM

His BFF is Chuck Schumer. That’s really all I have to know Rubio.

Mr. Arrogant on January 13, 2016 at 3:18 PM

know about Rubio.

Mr. Arrogant on January 13, 2016 at 3:19 PM

Al Jazeera America is shutting down television operations

…AJAM began just in 2013, a few months after Qatar-based Al Jazeera Media Network purchased Al Gore’s Current TV for $500 million. The channel was billed as a more restrained, clearheaded alternative to mainstream cable news, but it was mired in issues from the start, including a lawsuit from Al Gore and very low ratings.

Fallon on January 13, 2016 at 3:21 PM

But he’s still a national security expert amongst the candidates, right?

Cindy Munford on January 13, 2016 at 3:23 PM

Another tired, recycled, debunked attack directly from the Crist 2010 playbook. The clip making the rounds today is lifted verbatim from a dishonest Crist attack ad. These oppo researchers really are grasping at straws, and the fear is palpable.

Excellent117 on January 13, 2016 at 2:50 PM

Yes, poster like anotherjoe, and most other Trump posters take out of context quotes and publish them as if they are the complete answer.

Meanwhile, when Trump says, time and again, statements, they are ignored.

They did that with Carly’s ads from Barbara Boxer…is shows the most liberal of the liberals are the closet Republican’s supporting Trump.

right2bright on January 13, 2016 at 3:24 PM

His BFF is Chuck Schumer. That’s really all I have to know Rubio.

Mr. Arrogant on January 13, 2016 at 3:18 PM

Great, and who is best friends, and actually gave him campaign money?

Yes, that’s right…Donald Trump…that’s all you have to know about Trump also.

right2bright on January 13, 2016 at 3:25 PM

Yep

Schadenfreude on January 13, 2016 at 3:25 PM

Why are the Cubans fleeing to the USA?

obama said last night that “Cuba is now a democracy”, due to his own efforts.

Schadenfreude on January 13, 2016 at 3:26 PM

I don’t care..I have plenty of bones to pick with Rubio
and he ain’t getting my vote.

bazil9 on January 13, 2016 at 3:27 PM

anotherJoe on January 13, 2016 at 2:52 PM

BTW, that was John McCain’s policy…you of course know that…

Meanwhile…Trump was giving money to Pelosi, Reid, Hillary…

Kind of embarrassing when you compare someone as a paid spokesperson, and comparing them to an actual contributor to liberal causes.

You closet liberals have no shame…at least come out and say you are a liberal, and quit hiding behind quotes out of context and from Boxer’s, the liberal, ads…

right2bright on January 13, 2016 at 3:29 PM

See explanation here:

http://www.redstate.com/2016/01/12/case-marco-rubio-part-experience/

Pythagoras on January 13, 2016 at 3:32 PM

Allah still hasn’t acknowledged the thing that Rubio did in 2008 which was MUCH worse than this. As the powerful Speaker of the FL House he BLOCKED six immigration enforcement bills (including E-VERIFY) that Floridians had worked hard on with others, including FAIR and NumbersUSA, and retained the attorney who had written the court tested laws for Oklahoma.

Lots of time, money and effort was spent: Rubio said he would allow the bills to come up for a vote, but when the day came, what he did was invite his legislative pals from Miami-Dade, Juan Zapata and the financially-challenged David Rivera, to come to Tallahassee, where they accused those supporting the bills of being racist.

Today Rubio claims he supports E-Verify. What a liar. See
http://www.flimen.org/archive/Florida%202008%20Legislation%20Archive.htm

memyselfni on January 13, 2016 at 3:32 PM

There is exactly ZERO anyone or anything can say to make me even consider supporting or voting for rub-me-ooooohhhhhh of the gang of eight.

Keep trying though, it’s amusing.

Andy__B on January 13, 2016 at 3:40 PM

Rubio showed up to work?

portlandon on January 13, 2016 at 3:47 PM

Marco Rubio has always sounded like an over-eager student at speech class trying way too hard to impress.

legalimmigrant on January 13, 2016 at 4:13 PM

His Amnesty support is reason enough to dislike him.

Ukiah on January 13, 2016 at 4:14 PM

This is weak sauce.

Rubio is far more vulnerable on the Gang of 8 attack.

Throat Wobbler Mangrove on January 13, 2016 at 4:15 PM

So why does he also say that he wants Florida’s EPA to design a cap-and-trade scheme? The key comes at the beginning of the first clip, when he says a federal cap-and-trade program is “inevitable.”

It’s the same stupid logic he used for amnesty: We should pass amnesty in congress because Obama will grant amnesty via EO if we don’t.

Here’s a thought…how about rejecting the bogus global warming premise period?

xblade on January 13, 2016 at 4:40 PM

Rubio’s comments are being taken out of context and this attack is extremely dishonest.

…still not voting for him.

Megyn Kellys Lipstick

Here’s the only context that matters: Instead of rejecting it, Rubio embraced the liberal lie of global warming. At that point, you’ve lost the game.

xblade on January 13, 2016 at 4:44 PM

Rubio’s comments are being taken out of context and this attack is extremely dishonest.

…still not voting for him. Megyn Kellys Lipstick

Disagree, Those comments are what he said. You are trying to put “Lipstick on a Pig”

Two months ago I was thinking about voting for him, but I have had it with him! Whether it’s about promoting H1 Visas, Gang of 8, Cap&Trade and not even voting against the spending bill. I have lost all interest in Rubio. Have sent numerous suggestions to him/staff with no response. I know I am a little fish, but this little fish knows a bad campaign when I see it. Good bye, you just cooked yourself. I thought you were a guy I could vote for, but your just another McCain.

whsiii on January 13, 2016 at 5:41 PM

Why aren’t republicans allowed to evolve like dems seem to be allowed to do. No one is a finished product. You might not win with a guy like Rubio, but you won’t win if Hillary is elected.

tomas on January 13, 2016 at 5:59 PM

Video: Did Rubio say in 2008 that he supports cap-and-trade in Florida?

Wouldn’t surprise me. I’m more and and more convinced all the time that all of these pols are out to screw us. The real conservatives, unfortunately, don’t run for anything.

They would never get the financing they need to campaign for higher office, and once in they would never get the support they need for their proposed legislation…and if they did, it would be because they had to sell out and vote for some clown’s boondoggle.

Dr. ZhivBlago on January 14, 2016 at 5:47 PM