A new high: Number of Germans who say the country’s already accepted too many refugees reaches 62%

posted at 9:21 am on January 13, 2016 by Allahpundit

The previous high was 56 percent in mid-October, and maybe that’s the real news here. The number who say there are already too many asylum seekers inside the country has been north of 50 percent for three months now. Majority support isn’t a blip driven by the New Year’s rape mob in Cologne, although that’s obviously responsible for the latest spike.

In November, men were more likely than women to say that Germany’s already maxed out on Middle Eastern culture. Two months later, after Cologne, women are more likely than men to say so. Go figure.

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Another poll taken in Germany after Cologne found that 37 percent said their views of refugees had worsened and 57 percent feared that crime would rise as more refugees flow in. Merkel’s government announced today that they’ve relaxed some of the laws on deportation to make it easier to expel foreigners convicted of certain crimes, including serial shoplifting. (Previously, you weren’t eligible for deportation unless your sentence was a year or more.) But that’s as far as they’re willing to go. Last week, when the leader of one of the parties in Merkel’s coalition called for capping annual refugee admissions at 200,000(!), she shot down the idea. Even if Germany’s able to prevent deported offenders from re-entering (and if they are, we should have them huddle with DHS), they’ll be replacing the number deported annually with a much larger number of arrivals. Essentially, they’re laying a bet that the deterrent effect of piecemeal removals — and even then, only in cases where there’s enough evidence to gain a conviction — will exceed the encouragement refugees will feel to behave the way they did at home by watching the population of men who share their culture grow all around them. How do you think that’s going to work out?

If you think there’s a crisis now, says Ross Douthat, wait a decade or two and see what happens when the population of young men of Arab descent in Germany starts to rival the population of young men whose ancestors have been there for centuries.

In the German case the important number here isn’t the country’s total population, currently 82 million. It’s the twentysomething population, which was less than 10 million in 2013 (and of course already included many immigrants). In that cohort and every cohort afterward, the current influx could have a transformative effect…

If you believe that an aging, secularized, heretofore-mostly-homogeneous society is likely to peacefully absorb a migration of that size and scale of cultural difference, then you have a bright future as a spokesman for the current German government.

You’re also a fool. Such a transformation promises increasing polarization among natives and new arrivals alike. It threatens not just a spike in terrorism but a rebirth of 1930s-style political violence. The still-imaginary France Michel Houellebecq conjured up in his novel “Submission,” in which nativists and Islamists brawl in the streets, would have a very good chance of being realized in the German future.

That’s Merkel’s legacy unless this changes. Douthat’s conclusion: It’s high time she resigned.

The number of criminal complaints filed in Cologne for crimes on New Year’s Eve now stands at 561, incidentally. Roughly 45 percent allege some form of sexual assault.


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She, has got, to GO…!!

JohnGalt23 on January 13, 2016 at 9:24 AM

The fact that 38% of Germans insist on saying that Germany hasn’t taken in enough refugees yet, is the real story here. And the reason why Germany is doomed. No country with that high a percentage of citizens rooting for the destruction of their own culture can possibly survive.

HugoDrax on January 13, 2016 at 9:25 AM

Nothing good for Europe will come from this because the vast majority of those “refugees” will remain on the public dole for their entire lives and they will not go back to the Middle East.

Johnnyreb on January 13, 2016 at 9:26 AM

You know Merkel looks like a turtle too. I wonder if there is any relation to McConnell.

clement on January 13, 2016 at 9:28 AM

When they had this problem in the past they managed to find special trains and special camps.

Galtian on January 13, 2016 at 9:28 AM

Forget resignation.

She needs to be in belly-chains.

artist on January 13, 2016 at 9:28 AM

When they had this problem in the past they managed to find special trains and special camps.

Galtian on January 13, 2016 at 9:28 AM

when has Germany ever had this problem in the past?

HugoDrax on January 13, 2016 at 9:29 AM

Time for Germany to grow a set and make a refugee of Frau Merkel.

CurtZHP on January 13, 2016 at 9:30 AM

number willing to do anything about it…..<1%.

WryTrvllr on January 13, 2016 at 9:31 AM

The German government reminds me of our government. They could care less about the voters.

Mr. Arrogant on January 13, 2016 at 9:31 AM

anyway, this problem (embarrassing poll numbers) will, by definition, solve itself.

WryTrvllr on January 13, 2016 at 9:33 AM

Mr. Arrogant on January 13, 2016 at 9:31 AM

Yep. The polls mean nothing to them.

artist on January 13, 2016 at 9:34 AM

Bellwether.

Joe Mama on January 13, 2016 at 9:34 AM

The fact that 38% of Germans insist on saying that Germany hasn’t taken in enough refugees yet, is the real story here. And the reason why Germany is doomed. No country with that high a percentage of citizens rooting for the destruction of their own culture can possibly survive.

HugoDrax on January 13, 2016 at 9:25 AM

Nothing good for Europe will come from this because the vast majority of those “refugees” will remain on the public dole for their entire lives and they will not go back to the Middle East.

Johnnyreb on January 13, 2016 at 9:26 AM

Begs the question about the “47%” or more here who are either on the dole or support policies that work against their own self interests.

Difficultas_Est_Imperium on January 13, 2016 at 9:36 AM

The fact that 38% of Germans insist on saying that Germany hasn’t taken in enough refugees yet, is the real story here. And the reason why Germany is doomed. No country with that high a percentage of citizens rooting for the destruction of their own culture can possibly survive.

HugoDrax on January 13, 2016 at 9:25 AM

Must be made up of German beta males and feminists who haven’t been assaulted…yet.

BuckeyeSam on January 13, 2016 at 9:37 AM

I don’t pretend to understand European politics. When does Merkel and her government face re-election?

Dolce Far Niente on January 13, 2016 at 9:37 AM

When they had this problem in the past they managed to find special trains and special camps.

Galtian on January 13, 2016 at 9:28 AM

You are truly hingeless. As in un.

Begone.

Difficultas_Est_Imperium on January 13, 2016 at 9:37 AM

62%. Hitler was made chancellor with only 33% of the vote. Either fix the problem well or it will be fixed unwell.

rbj on January 13, 2016 at 9:38 AM

Merkel has laid the foundation for the fall of Germany. Even if she resigns, does Germany have the mettle to deport the savages? I doubt it.

We’re just arguing whether she should be allowed to stay at the helm of Der Titanic. The giant Muslim Iceberg has already hit the ship of state.

mankai on January 13, 2016 at 9:38 AM

Bet that number would be about 90% if you ran the poll here.

Buddahpundit on January 13, 2016 at 9:39 AM

I don’t pretend to understand European politics. When does Merkel and her government face re-election?

Dolce Far Niente on January 13, 2016 at 9:37 AM

Whether through resignation or election, this is modern Germany we are talking about.

There is a better than 50-50 chance Merkel would be replaced by someone even more “liberal”. The EU isn’t about to allow the linchpin economy to go rogue.

Difficultas_Est_Imperium on January 13, 2016 at 9:40 AM

According to my friend in Germany yesterday, the German women went from wanting a can of pepper spray to wanting real weapons to protect themselves.

vityas on January 13, 2016 at 9:41 AM

The Germans have so much left-wing self-loathing brainwashed into them, they can’t bring themselves to vote for a nationalist party. Now they have stockholm syndrome. It is now a muslim country.

France has no self-loathing, so they might wisen up in time. But even that is doubtful. White people everywhere have been brainwashed by the left to self-destruct. Except possibly the Russians. And even they have a big muslim population.

I truly believe that last civilized nation on earth will be Japan. The only problem with Japan, is their civilization is mighty strange.

HugoDrax on January 13, 2016 at 9:41 AM

The number of criminal complaints filed in Cologne for crimes on New Year’s Eve now stands at 561, incidentally. Roughly 45 percent allege some form of sexual assault.

561 complaints?! And 45% of that would be 252. That’s a lot of alleged rapes and assualts for just one night in one city, even New Year’s Eve.

Doughboy on January 13, 2016 at 9:42 AM

The fact that 38% of Germans insist on saying that Germany hasn’t taken in enough refugees yet, is the real story here. And the reason why Germany is doomed. No country with that high a percentage of citizens rooting for the destruction of their own culture can possibly survive.

HugoDrax on January 13, 2016 at 9:25 AM

Coincidentally, that’s about the percentage of voters here who define themselves as “progressive” (“moderate” to “liberal”) who are also registered Democrats;

http://www.gallup.com/poll/180452/liberals-record-trail-conservatives.aspx

When they say they are “moderate”, I do not think that word means what they think it does.

clear ether

eon

eon on January 13, 2016 at 9:42 AM

What’s with conservative sites and their fascination European immigration stories?

Are you going to give us updates on their socialist economic polices everyday as well?

weedisgood on January 13, 2016 at 9:43 AM

It appears that none of these new comers are the least bit interested in assimilation. I guess cheap labor is a fair trade for the history of your nation if you aren’t going to be around to see or care.

Cindy Munford on January 13, 2016 at 9:47 AM

What’s with conservative sites and their fascination European immigration stories?

Are you going to give us updates on their socialist economic polices everyday as well?

weedisgood on January 13, 2016 at 9:43 AM

Hey, that’s funny!

WryTrvllr on January 13, 2016 at 9:47 AM

What’s with conservative sites and their fascination European immigration stories?

Are you going to give us updates on their socialist economic polices everyday as well?

weedisgood on January 13, 2016 at 9:43 AM

Are you seriously this stupid or is it an act? Are you not aware of the fact that our government wants to bring tens of thousands(and likely more) of Syrian refugees over here? It’s a very relevant issue to this country.

Doughboy on January 13, 2016 at 9:48 AM

What’s with conservative sites and their fascination European immigration stories?

Are you going to give us updates on their socialist economic polices everyday as well?

weedisgood on January 13, 2016 at 9:43 AM

Still would be better, and would include actual content, than your “updates”.

Difficultas_Est_Imperium on January 13, 2016 at 9:48 AM

HugoDrax on January 13, 2016 at 9:25 AM

I wonder if that percentage of citizens are just first or second generation German?

Cindy Munford on January 13, 2016 at 9:49 AM

Merkel will no sooner resign than DeutscheBank (otherwise known as DoucheBank) will disappear. She sold her political soul to the devil for unlimited financing for herself and her party. DeutscheBank has an enormous lot riding on the EU future – namely, they are invested very heavily into every European bond issue – and the end of united Europe will mean the end of German-centered banking system in favor of the conservative Swiss.

Rix on January 13, 2016 at 9:49 AM

It appears that none of these new comers are the least bit interested in assimilation. I guess cheap labor is a fair trade for the history of your nation if you aren’t going to be around to see or care.

Cindy Munford on January 13, 2016 at 9:47 AM

That’s pretty much the whole theoretical NWO philosophy, yup.

“Change has come to America”

Difficultas_Est_Imperium on January 13, 2016 at 9:51 AM

A. M. has been an effective money manager and effective controlling the big government, thus there might be a few who would think twice before they called a new election…maybe there is no really fabulous candidate in the wings or worse, they might go socialist and look like Greece in a couple years. The view by big government types is that the immigrants will replace the workers that native Germans cannot afford to give birth too. The downside is that you can forget anything germans hold on to being left in just one generation. There is no program to assimilate millions of muslims and make them flag waving germans or even flag waving proper atheistic EU members.

Fleuries on January 13, 2016 at 9:56 AM

Must be made up of German beta males and feminists who haven’t been assaulted…yet.

BuckeyeSam on January 13, 2016 at 9:37 AM

There was a story about Sweden and in it a Swedish rape victim still felt sorry for the immigrant even after what happened to her.

wifarmboy on January 13, 2016 at 9:56 AM

The German government reminds me of our government. They could care less about the voters.

Mr. Arrogant on January 13, 2016 at 9:31 AM

In Obama’s STFU speech, he, in written remarks says, “Changes in our political process – in not just who gets elected but how they get elected – that will only happen when the American people demand it. It will depend on you. That’s what’s meant by a government of, by, and for the people.”

And, off transcript during the speech, he chides the opposition for listening to their base. You know, the evil people.

*smh*

Fallon on January 13, 2016 at 9:57 AM

Difficultas_Est_Imperium on January 13, 2016 at 9:51 AM

I wonder if they go burqa shopping with their granddaughters.

Cindy Munford on January 13, 2016 at 9:57 AM

The Germans have so much left-wing self-loathing brainwashed into them, they can’t bring themselves to vote for a nationalist party. Now they have stockholm syndrome.

HugoDrax on January 13, 2016 at 9:41 AM

I thought so two weeks ago but now I think they’ve been pushed too far. The pushback is starting. This is what they’re saying as they start a resistance–
Gemeinsam sind wir Stark. “Together we are strong.”

vityas on January 13, 2016 at 9:58 AM

The fact that 38% of Germans insist on saying that Germany hasn’t taken in enough refugees yet, is the real story here. And the reason why Germany is doomed. No country with that high a percentage of citizens rooting for the destruction of their own culture can possibly survive.

HugoDrax on January 13, 2016 at 9:25 AM

I would bet these folks are the hardcore socialists/SJWs and upper classes who live in gated communities and the like who have yet to be attacked. Their opinions will change in a big hurry once some of their wives and daughters are assaulted too.

I don’t pretend to understand European politics. When does Merkel and her government face re-election?

Dolce Far Niente on January 13, 2016 at 9:37 AM

Merkel is part of the CDU, Germany’s ostensibly “rightist” party. The other option is the SPD, the socialists. It is very unlikely someone from the SPD would do a better job than Merkel is doing; if anything, the SPD would probably do worse. There doesn’t seem to be an easy political solution in Germany because the politicians support the Muslims and support what the Muslims are doing, so I think higher and higher levels of street level violence there are likely to result.

DeutscheBank has an enormous lot riding on the EU future – namely, they are invested very heavily into every European bond issue – and the end of united Europe will mean the end of German-centered banking system in favor of the conservative Swiss.

Rix on January 13, 2016 at 9:49 AM

DeutscheBank is its own seperate problem but I have a hard time believing they’d be dumb enough to support the Muslims. Ultimately, DeutscheBank is really going to be in trouble if Germany collapses into civil war and anarchy.

Doomberg on January 13, 2016 at 10:03 AM

Learn from Germany, America.

TimBuk3 on January 13, 2016 at 10:05 AM

One of the reasons there is not a larger call for Merkel to go is the German version of the “Biden Syndrome”.
Any replacements of Merkel are worse than she is…the other parties are calling for even more refugees than Merkel.

Another reason is because the Merkel government, in cooperation with the national media – the top TV channels are funded by the German govt. -, has been busy clamping down on any dissension to Merkel’s policies by labeling these people as Neo-Nazis.

albill on January 13, 2016 at 10:05 AM

Are you seriously this stupid or is it an act? Are you not aware of the fact that our government wants to bring tens of thousands(and likely more) of Syrian refugees over here? It’s a very relevant issue to this country.

Doughboy on January 13, 2016 at 9:48 AM

Even in years where there was no “refugees”, European immigration has always dominated conservative blogs.

If you are going to talk about a policy in Europe then be consistent and also talk about their universal healthcare and how most Europeans live longer than Americans because of it.

weedisgood on January 13, 2016 at 10:09 AM

This is the photo that started it all…
A Muslim man in a cheek-to-cheek selfie photo with Merkel.
http://media.guim.co.uk/5d193341063aa37b644fa9f4e73e6951f593f5fc/0_0_2771_1666/master/2771.jpg

Muslim men saw that and remarked: “See what loose morals these infidel women have have, she is cheeking a Muslim she does not know….and where on Merkel’s backside is the man’s hand???”

albill on January 13, 2016 at 10:10 AM

When the end comes for Germany the native ‘men’ will still be coiffing their man-buns and adjusting their man-purses even as they are being loaded on trucks headed for Muzzie Re-education Camps.

vnvet on January 13, 2016 at 10:12 AM

If you are going to talk about a policy in Europe then be consistent and also talk about their universal healthcare and how most Europeans live longer than Americans because of it.

weedisgood on January 13, 2016 at 10:09 AM

And now, raped more often, because of it.

(at least the abortions and STD treatments will be free)

WryTrvllr on January 13, 2016 at 10:17 AM

When they had this problem in the past they managed to find special trains and special camps.

Galtian on January 13, 2016 at 9:28 AM

Weird, in muslim majority countries they don’t bother with either trains nor camps.

HumpBot Salvation on January 13, 2016 at 10:18 AM

When the end comes for Germany the native ‘men’ will still be coiffing their man-buns and adjusting their man-purses even as they are being loaded on trucks headed for Muzzie Re-education Camps beds.

vnvet on January 13, 2016 at 10:12 AM

Fixed it.

Fallon on January 13, 2016 at 10:19 AM

One wonders if the EU will exclude violence victims from their longevity statistics.

WryTrvllr on January 13, 2016 at 10:21 AM

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_external_debt

here’s today’s definition of “free”

WryTrvllr on January 13, 2016 at 10:23 AM

DeutscheBank is its own seperate problem but I have a hard time believing they’d be dumb enough to support the Muslims. Ultimately, DeutscheBank is really going to be in trouble if Germany collapses into civil war and anarchy.

Doomberg on January 13, 2016 at 10:03 AM

People in Brussels and DoucheBank’s top management are no smarter than our Congress and Chamber of Commerce. All these groups live in ivory towers made of unlimited public money and their own imagination, and believe in “increased home market” powered by “cultural integration”, bullshit pumped into their little minds by elitist liberal universities that issued their diplomas. Also, none of these groups have any objections to robbing the “natives” in order to pad their own incomes.

Rix on January 13, 2016 at 10:31 AM

If you are going to talk about a policy in Europe then be consistent and also talk about their universal healthcare and how most Europeans live longer than Americans because of it.

weedisgood on January 13, 2016 at 10:09 AM

Broken down by demographics not significantly different from that in US. Lifestyle and eating habits play more significant role in healthcare outcomes than the insurance payment plan.

OK now we’re done with talking about universal healthcare in Europe.

HumpBot Salvation on January 13, 2016 at 10:33 AM

Douthat’s conclusion: It’s high time she resigned.

Past time. Merckel’s rose colored glasses prevented her from seeing the good being done wasn’t going to outweigh the costs.
Too many German women have already paid much too high a price for Merckel’s incompetence..

lynncgb on January 13, 2016 at 10:43 AM

I sure hope German officials give a bigger damn for what their people think and see then our current crop of American hating officials that are currently running this country.

pwb on January 13, 2016 at 11:27 AM

The number of criminal complaints filed in Cologne for crimes on New Year’s Eve now stands at 561, incidentally. Roughly 45 percent allege some form of sexual assault

Well, it is not like those German women were being raped by UVA frat boys, or the Duke Lacrosse team.

That would be REAL rape.

Multicultural rape is much more stylish.

SubmarineDoc on January 13, 2016 at 11:53 AM

I wonder if they realize that the destruction of their society began that day in 2008 when the German crowds cheered Obama.

Obama was elected in part because the world seemed to be so impressed by him. If even part of Europe had been cautious… maybe the hysteria here would have been tamped down and the man could have been vetted.

Part of me thinks it’s Karma that Obama’s foreign policy ended Europe. Serves them right.

But mostly it makes me sad that they didn’t ever really learn the lessons of supporting a man who makes great speeches and delivers nothing but hate and death.

petunia on January 13, 2016 at 11:54 AM

the Merkel government, in cooperation with the national media – the top TV channels are funded by the German govt. -, has been busy clamping down on any dissension to Merkel’s policies by labeling these people as Neo-Nazis.

albill on January 13, 2016 at 10:05 AM

The only problem with Merkel’s strategy is that the with the conventional political establishment discrediting itself by the gross stupidity of its immigration policies, and undermining any civilized opposition, it leaves the extremists as the only alternative.

When you make civilized dissent impossible, you make uncivilized resistance inevitable.

This is why I think that Germany – and most of the EU – is sliding toward civil war.

SubmarineDoc on January 13, 2016 at 12:07 PM

to rival the population of young men whose ancestors have been there for centuries.

FWIW, living in Germany for centuries was never insurance against anything.

Seth Halpern on January 13, 2016 at 12:42 PM

Merkel’s government announced today that they’ve relaxed some of the laws on deportation to make it easier to expel foreigners convicted of certain crimes, including serial shoplifting.

LOL. If one puts any weight in this assertion it’s making things stricter, one is an idiot. The German police are breaking ranks on what the policy is:

— don’t respond to calls,
— don’t arrest them,
— if detained, and they fight back or resist, let them go
— delete or destroy evidence of crimes.

Yeah, they will deport those convicted, which will be as close to zero as the German authorities dare to keep it. YOu can bet your sweet bippy there will be an attempt by German authorities to substitute requiring offenders to voluntarily agree to attend culture classes in lieu of prosecuting (and convicting) them of crimes and then having to deport them.

The best thing to do is to throw out the politicians they have now and put some news ones in place.

Dusty on January 13, 2016 at 12:53 PM

If you are going to talk about a policy in Europe then be consistent and also talk about their universal healthcare and how most Europeans live longer than Americans because of it.

weedisgood on January 13, 2016 at 10:09 AM

Broken down by demographics not significantly different from that in US. Lifestyle and eating habits play more significant role in healthcare outcomes than the insurance payment plan.

OK now we’re done with talking about universal healthcare in Europe.

HumpBot Salvation on January 13, 2016 at 10:33 AM

Humpbot, nice work and you beat me to it.

Add to your point the fact that not all countries calculate longevity in the same manner.

Weed’s drug addled brain is a mess.

CWforFreedom on January 13, 2016 at 12:56 PM

Germans hate Jews.
Muzzies hate Jews.

Be happy together. You deserve it.

SpongePuppy on January 13, 2016 at 1:01 PM

Too late, Germany, you’ve already been overrun. You should have just built some robots to pick your cotton.

Kissmygrits on January 13, 2016 at 1:01 PM

If you are going to talk about a policy in Europe then be consistent and also talk about their universal healthcare and how most Europeans live longer than Americans because of it.

[weedisgood on January 13, 2016 at 10:09 AM]

Horsecrap. A life expectancy difference of 2 or 3 years is not explained by having universal healthcare.

Dusty on January 13, 2016 at 1:02 PM

When the end comes for Germany the native ‘men’ will still be coiffing their man-buns and adjusting their man-purses even as they are being loaded on trucks headed for Muzzie Re-education Camps.

vnvet on January 13, 2016 at 10:12 AM

So true.

SpongePuppy on January 13, 2016 at 1:07 PM

Soon close to the other 38% will be Muslim.

Then there’s no way you can keep them from taking over. Because the infidels are so soft and self-loathing. A perfect target for the invaders!

anotherJoe on January 13, 2016 at 1:18 PM

Germany needs to prosecute her for Treason! She has undermined the culture and economics of the country. I have no desire to visit there anymore while this situation still exist.

Nat George on January 13, 2016 at 1:18 PM

I don’t pretend to understand European politics. When does Merkel and her government face re-election?

Dolce Far Niente on January 13, 2016 at 9:37 AM

Sometime between August and October 2017.

J.S.K. on January 13, 2016 at 1:23 PM

Get a special election, having her on the opposing ballot will do wonders for the decisions of voters.

Ukiah on January 13, 2016 at 1:42 PM

She knew damn well it was a snake before she took it in!

Fortyback on January 13, 2016 at 2:53 PM

Germans hate Jews.
Muzzies hate Jews.

Be happy together. You deserve it.

SpongePuppy on January 13, 2016 at 1:01 PM

Israel will no doubt benefit from the collapse.

WryTrvllr on January 13, 2016 at 3:41 PM

FWIW, living in Germany for centuries was never insurance against anything.

Seth Halpern on January 13, 2016 at 12:42 PM

I sense a pattern.

WryTrvllr on January 13, 2016 at 3:43 PM

Sorry, but German women are just gonna have to accept being raped so that the greater good of the multi-cultural progressive agenda can be advanced. A few hundred German women being raped is inconsequential compared to helping the multi-cultural ZEITGEIST be advanced. So German women, just try to relax & get whatever you can out of the experience & know that your deference is symbolic of the West’s current position, bent over position, to the ascendancy of Sharia

Cleer1 on January 13, 2016 at 5:32 PM

There have been a number of German protests already, and talk of pushing Merkel out of office, which cannot be too soon as she is the one who started letting the rapists and criminals in who are constantly complaining of the food, the climate, the money they get, the lodgings, etc. Germans (my spouse is German and his family are there) want them ALL deported NOW! They need these invaders and what they are doing to Germany. Who can blame them. Then they need to close their borders because no good deed goes unpunished. Hear that, Obama? Gonna happen here too.

Roselle on January 14, 2016 at 11:11 AM

Have Merkel run the same gauntlet that the other German women had to run and see if her opinion changes.

TexasRedbud on January 14, 2016 at 12:37 PM