Obama in 96: “I don’t believe people should be able to own guns.”

posted at 8:01 am on January 12, 2016 by Jazz Shaw

During tonight’s State of the Union address you can rest assured that you’re going to hear a lot about guns. It’s become one of Barack Obama’s signature issues in the closing months of his presidency, and there’s no small amount of irony in using the term “signature” given his propensity for signing executive orders. One thing we can expect the President to repeat is his ongoing assurance that he doesn’t want to make it “harder” for any law abiding citizen to obtain and own a weapon. He’ll talk about his respect for the Second Amendment. But given his history it’s difficult to see how anyone would take him very seriously regarding these claims.

One good data point to nail down on this comes in a piece at The Daily Caller by Dr. John Lott, President of the Crime Prevention Research Center. He has some personal experience on the subject since he knew the President when they were both at the University of Chicago Law School. He focuses on remarks which Obama made during his recent CNN “Town Hall” on guns. (See update below)

The president forcefully claimed: “I respect the Second Amendment; I respect the right to bear arms; I respect people who want a gun for self-protection.”

Well, here’s another quote: “I don’t believe people should be able to own guns.” That’s what Obama told me when we were colleagues at the University of Chicago Law School in 1996. Obama has also publicly supported a nationwide “ban [on] the manufacture, sale and possession of handguns” as well as a “ban the sale or transfer of all forms of semi-automatic weapons.” Even as late as the 2008 Presidential primaries, Obama supported Washington, D.C.’s handgun ban.

From inaccurate claims about Congress restricting firearms research to failure to explain that virtually everyone stopped by background checks are law-abiding citizens who have a name similar to the people we want to stop, a lot more corrections could be made.

We’ve spoken quite a bit recently about the “evolution” which many politicians experience on various issues of the day, frequently in rather suspicious circumstances when you match these changes of heart with shifts in the national polls. I suppose it’s possible that the past twenty years might have exposed Barack Obama to new ideas on gun rights and modified his thinking in some fashion, but going from, I don’t believe people should be able to own guns all the way to I respect the right to bear arms is one heck of an evolution.

Lott goes into a few other inaccuracies (to put it kindly) which cropped up in the Town Hall meeting.

When rape survivor Kimberly Corban asked why she shouldn’t be able to carry a gun to protect herself, Obama said his current executive actions won’t make it harder for her to purchase a firearm. He claimed, he isn’t proposing anything that “prevents you or makes it harder for you to purchase a firearm if you need one.”

Obama’s proposed expanded background checks will make guns more expensive, perhaps prohibitively so for poorer people. In DC, where Obama was speaking from, expanded background checks add about $125 to the cost of transferring a gun.

After the event, CNN brought in conservative commentators such as SE Cupp. However, they failed to understand the issues here. It’s not just that the laws won’t do any good — they will also come with some real costs. These laws won’t stop mass public shootings, but they will hurt law-abiding citizens.

The fact that the President, unable to obtain an extensive ban on gun ownership through the powers of Congress, might suggest or mandate policies which drive up the price of weapons and ammunition is a feature, not a bug. It’s part and parcel of the overall strategy of Democrats at all levels in the current era. Banning gun ownership is tremendously unpopular and can cost vulnerable Democrats their seats so they seek other approaches which are a bit more below the radar. We already saw this in both Washington State and Oregon recently, where taxes are either being considered or already levied to “pay for the damage done by guns.” If the President is talking about respect for gun rights and then discussing changes to the system in the next breath, you can rest assured that the price of weapons and ammunition is going to be heading upward.

That 1996 quote is the one that really got me, though. Keep that in mind tonight if you plan on sitting through the SoTU address. (Or you can spare yourself the frustration and do something fun since we have to watch it for you.) Just remember that you’re hearing proposals from a man who came from a starting point of believing that nobody should be able to own a gun. Then he took an oath to lead the nation and support and defend the Constitution which assures your gun rights. You do the math from there.

The original version of this article used the phrase “attending the University of Chicago Law School” which was misleading. Dr. Lott has pointed out that they were teaching there, and the original wording could have been taken to imply they were students.

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talk about a bitter clinger when it comes to guns…

Rogue on January 12, 2016 at 8:05 AM

Netflix tonight

cmsinaz on January 12, 2016 at 8:10 AM

A battle rifle and 2,000 rounds to make sure the Dictator will go away.

ConstantineXI on January 12, 2016 at 8:10 AM

Obama plans to talk about his favorite subject tonight: Himself

Don’t watch. Make the ratings so low he stomps his feet.

ConstantineXI on January 12, 2016 at 8:12 AM

A Barak HUSSEIN Obama giving the State of The Union address tells me all I need to know about the state of the Union.

Cleombrotus on January 12, 2016 at 8:15 AM

Obama in 96: “I don’t believe people should be able to own guns.”

I don’t believe people should be whiny little beaches either, and yet, here we are.

Racistanyway on January 12, 2016 at 8:15 AM

Netflix tonight

cmsinaz on January 12, 2016 at 8:10 AM

I’m torn between watching netflix while playing with my 1 month old or watching SoTU…either way, I’m sure I’ll be dealing with a steaming pile of $hit before too long

Rogue on January 12, 2016 at 8:15 AM

IIRC, Obama attended Harvard Law, and was an adjunct lecturer at University of Chicago Law?

Wethal on January 12, 2016 at 8:17 AM

I’ll watch his entrance. I always enjoy watching Sheila Jackson Lee in her bright red dress defending her aisle seat from all comers. After that, I switch over to college BB.

butch on January 12, 2016 at 8:22 AM

Keep that in mind tonight if you plan on sitting through the SoTU address. (Or you can spare yourself the frustration and do something fun since we have to watch it for you.)

Thank you HA for taking one for the team.

I have no intention of watching the SOTU. It is nothing but political theater. A few predictions:

Obama will claim that the state of the union is strong.

Obama will call for allowing more Syrian refugees into the country (even though they are unvetted and a Syrian refugee just detonated himself in a major square in Istanbul).

Obama will claim that the economy is doing great but there is more work to be done to ensure that the middle class has opportunity.

Obama will go out after the guns (of course) but will not mention domestic Islamic terrorism at all.

Obama will spend a lot of time recapping all the great things he’s done as President (most of which is anathema to those of us who love America) including pushing through anti-Christian legislation, de-balling the military, upping the kill rate by abortion, and destroying the health care system.

And through it all Dems will leap to their feet in approval like trained seals.

Happy Nomad on January 12, 2016 at 8:23 AM

I don’t believe he’s “changed” at all.

listens2glenn on January 12, 2016 at 8:24 AM

They’re not going to take your guns!!*

*until a gun ban bill shows up on a Democrat president’s desk

crrr6 on January 12, 2016 at 8:25 AM

He was prescient.

nonpartisan on January 12, 2016 at 8:25 AM

He was prescient.

nonpartisan on January 12, 2016 at 8:25 AM

You spelled that wrong, unscramble the letters, he’s a piece of sh!t.

BeachBum on January 12, 2016 at 8:30 AM

He was prescient.

nonpartisan on January 12, 2016 at 8:25 AM

Actually, tyrants have wanted to disarm the populaces since man first picked up a rock and sharpened a stick. It makes fleecing the flock easier, though some like you offer your neck willingly.

Rogue on January 12, 2016 at 8:31 AM

IIRC, Obama attended Harvard Law, and was an adjunct lecturer at University of Chicago Law?

Wethal on January 12, 2016 at 8:17 AM

Where law degrees are concerned, Harvard is basically a diploma mill today. A student goes it, sits for four to six years repeating everything a prof says back to him verbatim, and walks out licensed to “practice law”.

That doesn’t mean the student has actually learned much, other than what not to say or believe if he wants to get ahead in the legal profession.

The only thing more pointless than a law degree from Harvard is a degree from their school of education. Heinlein nailed that one in The Number of the Beast, and yes, Harvard was the school he was talking about.

Getting a fixture as an “adjunct lecturer” at U-IL Chicago law school was actually pretty good, statistically. Most Harvard degree’d lawyers today end up in civil practice, and I’m not talking the L.A. Law level in terms of importance or income. A lot of them are the ambulance chasers who you see on local “plug-in” ads on late night reruns of Friends or the equivalent. (“Injured? Damaged? I can get you lots of money!”)

That’s what your POTUS would most likely have been if he hadn’t discovered politics. Of course, in Chicago, the chances of him, as a far-left ideologue, not going into politics (the dirtier the better) were about as good as my chances of winning the Powerball.

And I don’t play lotteries, of any kind, for the same reason I don’t gamble, period- that being that I can actually do math.

clear ether

eon

eon on January 12, 2016 at 8:34 AM

Indeed rogue :)

cmsinaz on January 12, 2016 at 8:34 AM

In fact, does Obama believe people (individuals) should be able to own anything?

People not owning guns would be a simple concomitant effect of the government owning everything.

s1im on January 12, 2016 at 8:35 AM

Spot on HN

cmsinaz on January 12, 2016 at 8:35 AM

He was prescient.

noforeskin on January 12, 2016 at 8:25 AM

…and that’s why…you have your problem.

JugEarsButtHurt on January 12, 2016 at 8:38 AM

Hate from Obama is visible.

Lies and made up history can not hide the decline.

Hate for his father who left him behind, hate for a mother who left him home alone to be misused by Frank Marshall Davis, hate on race due to not even being looked down on as a white invader of the islands, and now a raging hate for all of U S for rejecting his crazy view of America.

It is dangerous.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on January 12, 2016 at 8:40 AM

In fact, does Obama believe people (individuals) should be able to own anything?

People not owning guns would be a simple concomitant effect of the government owning everything.

s1im on January 12, 2016 at 8:35 AM

It’s actually a necessary step toward total socialism. You disarm the peasantry first, then you confiscate everything else- at gunpoint.

It’s feudalism with a slightly different set of euphemisms. Instead of nobles, you have “public servants”. Instead of a king, you have a “president” or “premier”.

What never changes is that the nobility are protected from a disarmed peasantry by armed minions.

The only exception to this was Britain. Largely due to Saxon influence (and the Magna Carta), British monarchs up to the 20th Century relied on an armed yeomanry to defend the kingdom. The Welsh longbow in the hands of an English foot soldier (who most of the time was just a local farmer- see “Trained Bands”) changed the map of Europe several times. Because not only did the English use the longbow to flatten the French nobility a few times, after that experience any king who wanted to win a war on the Continent hired English mercenary bowmen, who were both more effective and a damn sight cheaper than Genoese crossbowmen.

Why didn’t they raise and train their own bowmen? That would have required them to allow their own peasantry to be armed and learn to use the bow, which takes a lifetime of practice. And no European monarch trusted his own people that much.

Hiring English mercs was more expensive- but a lot safer if the king wanted to retain his throne, his crown… and his head.

The One is a Continental-style, or more exactly an Eastern potentate-type, philosopher-king wannabee. The rulers in the “mystical, enlightened East” didn’t allow their peasants to be armed, either- see the Belisarius novels by Eric Flint et al. (The portrayal of Indian society and culture c. 6th Century AD is quite accurate, as is the portrayal of the other polities involved, notably Byzantium and Persia.)

The One simply doesn’t believe in the British/American paradigm of society and government. Period. Any more than the rest of the progressives do.

They all want to be European monarchs or Eastern “enlightened” potentates. The kind that ground humanity into the dirt for centuries- until first the longbow, and then gunpowder, in the hands of peasants changed the rules.

They want to turn the clock back to when their kind was supreme. And could have anyone they disliked or disagreed with beheaded on general principles.

Once you understand this, their behavior- and his- is no longer all that hard to figure out.

clear ether

eon

eon on January 12, 2016 at 8:55 AM

There’s a really simple explanation for the massive leap from wanting to ban all guns to wanting to defend the 2nd Amendment…

HE’S LYING

He still wants to take everyone’s guns, but even he realizes that saying it out loud makes him a nutter that would’ve lost in 2008 and 2012…

Hank_Scorpio on January 12, 2016 at 8:56 AM

Hate for his father who left him behind, hate for a mother who left him home alone to be misused by Frank Marshall Davis, hate on race due to not even being looked down on as a white invader of the islands, and now a raging hate for all of U S for rejecting his crazy view of America.

It is dangerous.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on January 12, 2016 at 8:40 AM

You forgot his hatred of Christians born of being brought up a Muslim while living in Indonesia and fostered by the radical racial hatred of Jeremiah Wright and his “people’s temple” of Chicago.

Happy Nomad on January 12, 2016 at 8:58 AM

If you like your guns then you can keep your guns.
Sound familiar?

hoosierken on January 12, 2016 at 8:59 AM

I expect him to announce the closing of Gitmo.

Younggod on January 12, 2016 at 8:59 AM

Obama in 96: “I don’t believe people should be able to own guns.”

Obama today…”I still don’t believe that people should be able to own guns”

cajunpatriot on January 12, 2016 at 9:01 AM

You can tell when King Barack is lying. His lips are moving.

GarandFan on January 12, 2016 at 9:03 AM

That 1996 quote is the one that really got me, though.

Really Jazz, you don’t remember people bringing that up back in 2007-2008? Have you not read either one of his “autobiographies”?
All these quotable quotes and more were the reason most? some? of us had extreme reservations when O came on the national scene circa 2007. Only a powerless few connected the dots, and then we were mocked for our tin foil hats.
Someone could make a feature length film–a montage of 1 minute videos of everything Obama has said or written that show his absolute hatred for America and our way of life. Of course there’s no sense in crying over spilled milk, but we won’t get fooled again, right?

leftamark on January 12, 2016 at 9:07 AM

There’s a really simple explanation for the massive leap from wanting to ban all guns to wanting to defend the 2nd Amendment…

HE’S LYING
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Hank_Scorpio on January 12, 2016 at 8:56 AM

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HEY NONPARTISAN ! . . . . . Is that what “prescient” means?

listens2glenn on January 12, 2016 at 9:07 AM

I expect him to announce the closing of Gitmo.
Younggod on January 12, 2016 at 8:59 AM

I expect him to announce how awesome he thinks he is.

ConstantineXI on January 12, 2016 at 9:07 AM

So we have a president that is a mix of gross incompetence, arrogance and a visceral dislike of the American Way.

The democrat front-runner is also quite incompetent and arrogant with a dash of serial lying and corruption thrown in.

Her closest competitor for the nomination is an ancient socialist that doesn’t understand economics or human nature and is prone to rage-filled outbursts.

Why would anyone want to identify as a democrat??

Hank_Scorpio on January 12, 2016 at 9:09 AM

Barack Obama: “Let me be clear, if you like your insurance guns you can keep your insurance guns. Period”.

LilyBart on January 12, 2016 at 9:11 AM

I’m sure I’ll be dealing with a steaming pile of $hit before too long

Rogue on January 12, 2016 at 8:15 AM

Advantage: baby. You don’t have to wait until next January to change him.

GWB on January 12, 2016 at 9:12 AM

You mean back when he was against gay marriage?

rhombus on January 12, 2016 at 9:12 AM

Why would anyone want to identify as a democrat??
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Hank_Scorpio on January 12, 2016 at 9:09 AM

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Defiance.

listens2glenn on January 12, 2016 at 9:12 AM

He was prescient.

nonpartisan on January 12, 2016 at 8:25 AM

No, but like you, he’s impervious to facts.

gwelf on January 12, 2016 at 9:13 AM

Obama in 96: “I don’t believe people should be able to own guns.”

Something they won’t cover on the “What did you learn” segment on Morning Joe.

And Hillary’s impending FBI criminal probe? No mention, Hillary got laughs last night for recalling a tabloid story where they claimed she “adopted an alien baby”.

God help us all.

Difficultas_Est_Imperium on January 12, 2016 at 9:13 AM

He was prescient.

nonpartisan on January 12, 2016 at 8:25 AM

Ah, yes. Obama is prescient. Which is why you guys should push gun control as much as possible this year.

gwelf on January 12, 2016 at 9:16 AM

Advantage: baby. You don’t have to wait until next January to change him.

GWB on January 12, 2016 at 9:12 AM

definitely a point in baby/netflix’s favor…

Rogue on January 12, 2016 at 9:16 AM

eon on January 12, 2016 at 8:55 AM

Outstanding analysis, eon. And, I think it is part of the reason that so much of what is great in the modern world comes out of the Anglosphere. Really the only consistently free folks in the modern history of the world.

GWB on January 12, 2016 at 9:17 AM

most? some? of us had extreme reservations when O came on the national scene circa 2007. Only a powerless few connected the dots, and then we were mocked for our tin foil hats.

leftamark on January 12, 2016 at 9:07 AM

Extreme reservations from the beginning, yes.

I know I’ve said it before, but it’s true: I knew with cosmic certainty the full extent of what was going to happen with Barky when I saw those damned Greek columns in 2008. . . .

Younggod on January 12, 2016 at 9:17 AM

I have met John Lott and he is a decent man. When he makes a claim about what Obama said to him I believe him. But I would warn people not to use John Lott’s claim that Obama said he wants to ban guns in arguments with liberals. They will just ridicule his claim, since Lott is a prominent defender of the 2nd Amendment.

thuja on January 12, 2016 at 9:17 AM

Defiance.

listens2glenn on January 12, 2016 at 9:12 AM

Of what? Common sense, honesty, and decency?

Hank_Scorpio on January 12, 2016 at 9:18 AM

I expect him to announce how awesome he thinks he is.

ConstantineXI on January 12, 2016 at 9:07 AM

who would bet against you

Younggod on January 12, 2016 at 9:18 AM

Why would anyone want to identify as a democrat??

Hank_Scorpio on January 12, 2016 at 9:09 AM

It’s a license to loot and get-out-of-jail card wrapped into one.

Rix on January 12, 2016 at 9:18 AM

But I would warn people not to use John Lott’s claim that Obama said he wants to ban guns in arguments with liberals. They will just ridicule his claim, since Lott is a prominent defender of the 2nd Amendment.

thuja on January 12, 2016 at 9:17 AM

That’s the SOP for progs, never mind the message kill the messenger….

Hank_Scorpio on January 12, 2016 at 9:19 AM

It’s a license to loot and get-out-of-jail card wrapped into one.

Rix on January 12, 2016 at 9:18 AM

Yeah but only for some democrats…you know what I mean….

Hank_Scorpio on January 12, 2016 at 9:21 AM

It’s actually a necessary step toward total socialism. You disarm the peasantry first, then you confiscate everything else- at gunpoint.
eon on January 12, 2016 at 8:55 AM

This has been the case as far back as recorded history goes. The first step toward government enslavement is the confiscation of weapons. The bible even tells us about the Philistines disarming the Jews of their farm implements so they could not be used as weapons.

tommyboy on January 12, 2016 at 9:23 AM

Obama in 96: “I don’t believe people should be able to own guns.”

You mean like the secret service?

Fair enough. Disarm your body guards, then maybe I’ll take you seriously on the subject.

runawayyyy on January 12, 2016 at 9:24 AM

I have met John Lott and he is a decent man. When he makes a claim about what Obama said to him I believe him. But I would warn people not to use John Lott’s claim that Obama said he wants to ban guns in arguments with liberals. They will just ridicule his claim, since Lott is a prominent defender of the 2nd Amendment.

thuja on January 12, 2016 at 9:17 AM

Lefties will always deny the truth so what’s your point?

I still remember some weeks ago when verbaluce was vehemently denying that Obama wanting a gun policy like Australia’s that Obama was referring to gun confiscation and gun bans. Everyone knows Obama is a typical progressive and only wants the state to be armed and is lying when he says he has a respect for the second amendment. Yet verbaluce wanted us not to believe our lying eyes.

We shouldn’t be afraid to speak the truth even if the source is someone the left will dismiss – because they will always dismiss the truth no matter who speaks it.

gwelf on January 12, 2016 at 9:25 AM

The thing about BHO is that he doesnt believe things like most people do. He believes whatever is politically expedient at the time. He doesnt hold convictions past himself and politically pressing for a progressive approach. Whatever he says he believes, he believes that is a helpful thing for him to say at the time. Case in point – gay marriage. He believed it was wrong and not a constitutional issue when he was trying to be elected president. That was right before he believed it was a natural human right protected by our constitution. His beliefs are about himself – thats why he speaks incessantly about himself. Everytime he opens his mouth for a speech or a Q&A he says what he really believes – himself.

He believes in guns in the hands of his own personal tax-payer-funded security guard service.

DocNathan on January 12, 2016 at 9:25 AM

He has some personal experience on the subject since he knew the President when they were both attending the University of Chicago Law School.

Wait a minute. I thought the WH marxist attended Harvard Law School. WTF, the WH marxist background is complete BS. 

bgibbs1000 on January 12, 2016 at 9:37 AM

I know I’ve said it before, but it’s true: I knew with cosmic certainty the full extent of what was going to happen with Barky when I saw those damned Greek columns in 2008. . . .

Younggod on January 12, 2016 at 9:17 AM

We saw the socialistic/communistic signs before the Greek columns, and that was scary enough. The Greek columns gave us a glimpse into the personality disorder, which is scary enough x 10.

leftamark on January 12, 2016 at 9:39 AM

I’d watch tonight’s self-congratulatory monologue tonight, but I’ve got to change my stereo wires.

vnvet on January 12, 2016 at 9:39 AM

When rape survivor Kimberly Corban asked why she shouldn’t be able to carry a gun to protect herself, Obama said his current executive actions won’t make it harder for her to purchase a firearm….

Foul smelling LIAR. According to the proposed social security precedent, he and his roach bureaucrats would be the first one to put Corban on a “list” of rape victims who obviously were so traumatized that they’d not be “responsible” gun users.

Is there anything about this creep which is remotely acceptable? [“Rhetorical” Question…].

RL on January 12, 2016 at 9:41 AM

The left only wants “sensible” gun laws, as they are so fond of telling us. If you want to know what sensible looks like there are examples: New York, Chicago, San Francisco.

claudius on January 12, 2016 at 9:44 AM

I’d watch tonight’s self-congratulatory monologue tonight, but I’ve got to change my stereo wires.

vnvet on January 12, 2016 at 9:39 AM

I’ve scheduled a root canal.

Younggod on January 12, 2016 at 9:47 AM

I’d watch tonight’s self-congratulatory monologue tonight, but I’ve got to change my stereo wires.

vnvet on January 12, 2016 at 9:39 AM

I’ve scheduled a root canal.

Younggod on January 12, 2016 at 9:47 AM

Unfortunately, I need to clean my baseboards tonight. Pity.

LilyBart on January 12, 2016 at 9:54 AM

Why would anyone want to identify as a democrat??

Hank_Scorpio on January 12, 2016 at 9:09 AM

So they can get their EBT card recharged?

cornbred on January 12, 2016 at 9:56 AM

What other things did some dude say that someone told him that one time, in conversation, in private, that no one else over heard? Headline tomorrow: Trump told someone back in the 80s he hates puppies. C’mon. We’re about hearsay, now?

CivilDiscourse on January 12, 2016 at 10:15 AM

Obama in ’16: “I don’t believe people should be able to own guns.”

FIFY

ghostwalker1 on January 12, 2016 at 10:20 AM

We’re not in a court of law. This is politics and personal trust does play a large role.

Dubya Bee on January 12, 2016 at 10:23 AM

It’s a license to loot and get-out-of-jail card wrapped into one.

Rix on January 12, 2016 at 9:18 AM

If only we could get some (one!) of them INTO jail in the first place.

James on January 12, 2016 at 10:34 AM

What other things did some dude say that someone told him that one time, in conversation, in private, that no one else over heard?

CivilDiscourse on January 12, 2016 at 10:15 AM

Apparently, some dude told you it was a good idea for you to post on the internet. But I sure can’t find any corroborating evidence.

James on January 12, 2016 at 10:37 AM

What other things did some dude say that someone told him that one time, in conversation, in private, that no one else over heard? Headline tomorrow: Trump told someone back in the 80s he hates puppies. C’mon. We’re about hearsay, now?

CivilDiscourse on January 12, 2016 at 10:15 AM

Lott has a lot more credibility than you do.

And Obama is a notorious liar.

gwelf on January 12, 2016 at 10:41 AM

What other things did some dude say that someone told him that one time, in conversation, in private, that no one else over heard? Headline tomorrow: Trump told someone back in the 80s he hates puppies. C’mon. We’re about hearsay, now?

CivilDiscourse on January 12, 2016 at 10:15 AM

Fine, ignore it.

And then explain, given his history, why you would expect him to be sincere rather than deliberately lying to advance a political agenda.

While you’re at it, you can address other points I made here, which you either missed or ignored:

That they declined to do so is telling.

CivilDiscourse on January 8, 2016 at 1:11 PM

Is it “telling” that his examples of countries with “sensible gun laws” are places like Australia and the UK, where they forcibly confiscated everyone’s firearms?

Why or why not? Why is it more or less “telling” than the NRA failing to show up to be pilloried and lied about by Obama, which is how he can be counted upon to treat those he opposes (see how Republicans are treated at any event where he speaks for numerous examples)?

They declined in favor of continuing a campaign not based in reality.

CivilDiscourse on January 8, 2016 at 1:21 PM

Please explain how Obama’s proposals are “based in reality.” Be specific. For example, explain how any of them would have prevented the events he uses as a reason to call for those proposals. Or explain how they would burden those who are criminal without burdening to equal or greater degree those who are law abiding.

Or for that matter, explain how the NRA’s defense of gun rights is not based in reality. Not straw men created by Democrats, the NRA’s actual words.

If you purport to want to influence policy, but decline to openly debate it—when expressly invited by the POTUS—then you’re either scared to discuss realistic policy as proposed, or you’re confident that your propaganda is enough to carry the day without debate.

CivilDiscourse on January 8, 2016 at 1:31 PM

Or you doubt your ideas will be given anything remotely like a fair hearing. I think the evidence of this President’s entire term(s) strongly suggest this third possibility. Do you have any evidence to suggest otherwise?

GrumpyOldFart on January 12, 2016 at 10:43 AM

Apparently, some dude told you it was a good idea for you to post on the internet. But I sure can’t find any corroborating evidence.

James on January 12, 2016 at 10:37 AM

Probably the same imaginary friend that told Harry Reid that Mitt Romney didn’t pay his taxes.

CurtZHP on January 12, 2016 at 10:45 AM

What other things did some dude say that someone told him that one time, in conversation, in private, that no one else over heard? Headline tomorrow: Trump told someone back in the 80s he hates puppies. C’mon. We’re about hearsay, now?

CivilDiscourse on January 12, 2016 at 10:15 AM

So you’re telling us you don’t believe it?

That’s an outright lie, and you know it. You know damn well that’s what he believes, has always believed, and will always believe until the day he dies.

And you leftists have no problem whatsoever using hearsay as fact. Are you sure you want to go down this path? Do you really want to discuss Romney’s taxes, or McCain’s affairs?

F#cking hypocrites, all of you.

runawayyyy on January 12, 2016 at 10:47 AM

GrumpyOldFart on January 12, 2016 at 10:43 AM

Uh, you might have to whine a little louder. I can’t hear you over all the foot stomping you’re doing.

CivilDiscourse on January 12, 2016 at 11:11 AM

Uh, you might have to whine a little louder. I can’t hear you over all the foot stomping you’re doing.

CivilDiscourse on January 12, 2016 at 11:11 AM

Try taking your fingers out of your ears and stop yelling obamaobamaobamaobamaobamaobamaobamaobamaobamaobama…..

dentarthurdent on January 12, 2016 at 11:17 AM

CivilDiscourse on January 12, 2016 at 11:11 AM

And that’s your idea of “Civil Discourse,” is it? To refuse to address the points made and be deliberately insulting?

They’re simple questions:

What evidence suggests to you that Obama can be trusted to deal with his opponents honestly? I can produce reams of evidence to suggest that he cannot.

What evidence suggests to you that Obama’s gun control proposals are “based in reality”?

What evidence suggests to you that the NRA’s position is not based in reality?
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You can, of course, decline to answer. But if you can’t be bothered to be civil, and deliberately refuse discourse, you might want to consider a new name.

GrumpyOldFart on January 12, 2016 at 11:42 AM

He was prescient.

nonpartisan on January 12, 2016 at 8:25 AM

So was I. As soon as I saw this post, I said to myself; “nonpartisan will make a pointless, valueless, pro-Obama comment”.

Am I as magical as you propose your would-be messiah to be?

Freelancer on January 12, 2016 at 11:44 AM

You can, of course, decline to answer. But if you can’t be bothered to be civil, and deliberately refuse discourse, you might want to consider a new name.

GrumpyOldFart on January 12, 2016 at 11:42 AM

That one proves once again to be clearly just a typical libtard troll who must “decline to openly debate” any actual topic.

dentarthurdent on January 12, 2016 at 12:02 PM

GrumpyOldFart on January 12, 2016 at 10:43 AM

Uh, you might have to whine a little louder. I can’t hear you over all the foot stomping you’re doing.

CivilDiscourse on January 12, 2016 at 11:11 AM

CivilDiscourse is a passive aggressive troll. That’s it.

Say something stupid, refuse to defend it, deny it was said, shout “neener neener” with her fingers in her ears and pretend people responding to her are the disingenuous ones.

gwelf on January 12, 2016 at 12:16 PM

GrumpyOldFart on January 12, 2016 at 11:42 AM
gwelf on January 12, 2016 at 12:16 PM

How does any of that counter the fact that you guys are having a troll-gasm over that one time that some dude said that some other dude said something that no one else has ver heard him say?

CivilDiscourse on January 12, 2016 at 12:49 PM

Not watching, I will be supporting my local gun range, always can use some practice.

Goodie on January 12, 2016 at 1:15 PM

A few other things Obama doesn’t seem to believe common citizens should have:

1) Opinions that differ from his
2) Personal property or wealth
3) The right to choose not to purchase health insurance
4) Fear of people who are actually trying to kill us
5) Border security
6) Expectation that government officials and employees will obey the law

s1im on January 12, 2016 at 1:34 PM

no one else has ver heard him say?

CivilDiscourse on January 12, 2016 at 12:49 PM

Then you haven’t been paying attention.

GWB on January 12, 2016 at 2:04 PM

Not watching, I will be supporting my local gun range, always can use some practice.

Goodie on January 12, 2016 at 1:15 PM

Yup – I think tonight I’ll either be getting my guns dirty or cleaning them – sure as he11 not watching this lying POS.

dentarthurdent on January 12, 2016 at 2:32 PM

In essence, Obama told Kimberly Corban to not worry her pretty little head about protecting herself. His was a horrible, belittling, chauvinistic answer. I’m told he will have an empty chair representing the victims of ‘gun violence’ at his ‘Americans Have So Disappointed Me’ speech. Well, there will be the equivalent of several empty chairs tonight in our household representing victims of his awful, costly and deadly policies. Pfffftht to you, Mr Presiputts.

starboardhelm on January 12, 2016 at 2:33 PM

If you like your gun, you can keep your gun. Hahahaha.

Exninja on January 12, 2016 at 2:43 PM

There’s a really simple explanation for the massive leap from wanting to ban all guns to wanting to defend the 2nd Amendment…

HE’S LYING

He still wants to take everyone’s guns, but even he realizes that saying it out loud makes him a nutter that would’ve lost in 2008 and 2012…

Hank_Scorpio on January 12, 2016 at 8:56 AM

Lying = Evolving when Dems do it = flip-flopping when R’s do it

Really Jazz, you don’t remember people bringing that up back in 2007-2008? Have you not read either one of his “autobiographies”?
All these quotable quotes and more were the reason most? some? of us had extreme reservations when O came on the national scene circa 2007. Only a powerless few connected the dots, and then we were mocked for our tin foil hats.
Someone could make a feature length film–a montage of 1 minute videos of everything Obama has said or written that show his absolute hatred for America and our way of life. Of course there’s no sense in crying over spilled milk, but we won’t get fooled again, right?

leftamark on January 12, 2016 at 9:07 AM

Can we get some crowdfunding for that film?

AesopFan on January 12, 2016 at 2:57 PM

eon on January 12, 2016 at 8:55 AM

Outstanding analysis, eon. And, I think it is part of the reason that so much of what is great in the modern world comes out of the Anglosphere. Really the only consistently free folks in the modern history of the world.

GWB on January 12, 2016 at 9:17 AM

So was this one: eon on January 12, 2016 at 8:34 AM

The only thing more pointless than a law degree from Harvard is a degree from their school of education. Heinlein nailed that one in The Number of the Beast, and yes, Harvard was the school he was talking about.

Getting a fixture as an “adjunct lecturer” at U-IL Chicago law school was actually pretty good, statistically. Most Harvard degree’d lawyers today end up in civil practice, and I’m not talking the L.A. Law level in terms of importance or income.

PS: there’s the “discrepancy” explained

He has some personal experience on the subject since he knew the President when they were both attending the University of Chicago Law School.

Wait a minute. I thought the WH marxist attended Harvard Law School. WTF, the WH marxist background is complete BS.

bgibbs1000 on January 12, 2016 at 9:37 AM

He studied at graduated from Harvard, taught at pontificated at Chicago.

AesopFan on January 12, 2016 at 3:02 PM

I have met John Lott and he is a decent man. When he makes a claim about what Obama said to him I believe him. But I would warn people not to use John Lott’s claim that Obama said he wants to ban guns in arguments with liberals. They will just ridicule his claim, since Lott is a prominent defender of the 2nd Amendment.

thuja on January 12, 2016 at 9:17 AM

Lefties will always deny the truth so what’s your point?

I still remember some weeks ago when verbaluce was vehemently denying that Obama wanting a gun policy like Australia’s that Obama was referring to gun confiscation and gun bans. Everyone knows Obama is a typical progressive and only wants the state to be armed and is lying when he says he has a respect for the second amendment. Yet verbaluce wanted us not to believe our lying eyes.

We shouldn’t be afraid to speak the truth even if the source is someone the left will dismiss – because they will always dismiss the truth no matter who speaks it.

gwelf on January 12, 2016 at 9:25 AM

Well said.
Why do we post on blogs the Left will never read?
Someone on the fence might see something that causes them to start thinking.
Once in a while, a Conservative thought or person or policy gets a small notice in DeMedia, and if the issue is serious enough, sometimes it grows into a larger matter (PowerLine v. Dan Rather).

The Left may not hear us when we speak, but if we do not speak no one will hear.

AesopFan on January 12, 2016 at 3:05 PM

Why would anyone want to identify as a democrat??
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Hank_Scorpio on January 12, 2016 at 9:09 AM

Either on government/taxpayer handouts, a member of the government, or lobby for government funds. There are billion at stake.

cajunpatriot on January 12, 2016 at 3:21 PM

Molon labe

307wolverine on January 12, 2016 at 6:15 PM

Here’s how I honored Obama’s final SOTU today.

I bought a sweet little CZ 455 rifle. Private sale. Paperless. A cash transaction with NO background check.

Then I picked out my first silencer at a Class III dealer, created my NFA trust online, and started on the Form 4’s.

It was a good day. No idea what Quota Boy said in his little speech. Because I was watching basketball on TV.

Demonized on January 12, 2016 at 10:33 PM

How is it that this has been out there since ’96 and I never heard it before?..oh yeah, McCain and Romney, I forgot, I withdraw the question.

Dollayo on January 13, 2016 at 10:05 AM