Here we go. Alabama supreme court Chief Justice halts same sex marriage

posted at 3:21 pm on January 6, 2016 by Jazz Shaw

Well, this is just what we needed four weeks before the Iowa caucuses, isn’t it? In Alabama, the Mobile County Probate Court has stopped issuing any and all marriage licenses to applicants for the time being. The reason is that state supreme court Chief Justice Roy Moore has issued an order halting any marriages which are “contrary” to an existing state constitutional amendment banning same-sex marriage and a matching law passed previously. (WKRG Alabama)

In a four page administrative order, Chief Justice Roy Moore says, “probate judges have a ministrial duty not to issue any marriage license contrary to the Alabama Sanctity of Marriage Amendment or the Alabama Marriage Protection Act remain in full force and effect.”

Moore says, “confusion and uncertainty exist among probate judges of this State.” The uncertainty surrounds the ruling handed down by the United States Supreme Court in the Obergefell v. Hodges in June 2015. In the 5-4 decision by the Supreme Court it states the cases come from Michigan, Kentucky, Ohio and Tennessee.

The debate surrounds the decision by the Alabama Supreme Court, which states that marriage licenses must be in accordance with Alabama law, versus the decision by the U.S. Supreme Court to allow same-sex marriage this past summer.

At the moment this appears to be more of a procedural move than some sort of open declaration of refusal to recognize the SCOTUS ruling in Obergefell. In a clarifying statement, the Judge apparently added this caveat. (Alabama.com)

Moore, in his order today, says the Alabama Supreme Court continues to deliberate on how the U.S. Supreme Court ruling affects the state court’s orders.

I’m not sure exactly what they’re deliberating here, but for the moment it looks like a “temporary” halt while they sort out some questions raised in lower level courts. Those objections came in contrast to an order by U.S. District Judge Ginny Granade declaring both the original state law defining marriage as being between one man and one woman and the subsequent amendment to the state constitution to be unconstitutional. With this “pause” in the process, the entire question is being thrust back onto the front page.

I’ll just add this chapter as number 736 on my list of reasons why the government should stay out of the question of marriage. Why? Because by the time I finish writing this sentence, I assure you that every reporter on the campaign beat is rushing out to pin down each and every viable Republican candidate to try to goad them into responding. The long term question of whether or not a state supreme court judge can defy SCOTUS (and I don’t see how) isn’t really even the issue here. The press would love nothing more than to see if they can get any of the Republicans to go on the record in support of defying the Supreme Court on the Left’s signature issue. It might make for a brief boost in their primary numbers, but the media will make sure there’s hell to pay for it down the line.

But for now, we’ll just have to wait. I expect that this one could drag out for a while, possibly well into the actual primary elections. And why would anyone want to talk about Hillary’s mishandling of classified documents on her private email server when we can obsess over gay marriage in Alabama?

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ITT: CivilDiscourse implodes upon being requested policy proposals that aren’t left-wing fascistic.

MMK on January 6, 2016 at 6:43 PM

MMK, talking about my first post on this thread, genius.

Gwelf, who are you kidding? It was pulling teeth to get you to concede that socons love big government. There was mostly deflection until you finally admitted it.

CivilDiscourse on January 6, 2016 at 6:43 PM

Still no link. Genius in the works.

MMK on January 6, 2016 at 6:44 PM

Seriously, CD, just post an effing link. Don’t make us work for your goddam retardedness.

MMK on January 6, 2016 at 6:44 PM

As usual, I made my point in the very first post. You mad?

CivilDiscourse on January 6, 2016 at 6:36 PMa

Huh…

thuja
Socons can’t control themselves when it comes to interfering in other citizens’ lives. It’s what they do. Unfortunately, they don’t realize it’s a losing gambit.

CivilDiscourse on January 6, 2016 at 4:02 PM

So, we’ve been directly addressing your comment while you keep saying we haven’t in an effort to deflect from having to defend your cowardly and hypocritical position.

You’re just a passive aggressive troll.

“It’s what they do.”

But wait a minute, you just admitted it’s also what the left does. So your point which you’re so proud of yourself for making is meaningless.

gwelf on January 6, 2016 at 6:45 PM

Blinkered: you’re an X, so you think Y. Logical fallacy 101, there, champ.

CivilDiscourse on January 6, 2016 at 6:45 PM

Blinkered: you’re an X, so you think Y. Logical fallacy 101, there, champ.

CivilDiscourse on January 6, 2016 at 6:45 PM

Avoid logical fallacy. Post a link to your original proposition,.

MMK on January 6, 2016 at 6:46 PM

Seriously, CD, you’re so effing pathetic it’s not even funny. I now–FINALLY–learn why everyone else ignores you.

MMK on January 6, 2016 at 6:46 PM

But, in typical libtard fashion, CD will continue to think he “won the battle” because every intelligent, free-thinking person gave up on him.

MMK on January 6, 2016 at 6:47 PM

There are two possibilities for the likes of CD:

1. They eventually realize they’re retards, and seek forgiveness for their retarded ways; or

2. They die stupid.

MMK on January 6, 2016 at 6:48 PM

MMK
Oh yeah, loads of ignoring going on in this thread. Tons.

CivilDiscourse on January 6, 2016 at 6:48 PM

My guess is #2’s in the offing for CD, but who knows. All I can say, as a Christian, is, CivilizedDicourse: If and when you realize you’re a retard, come seeking penance. We will forgive you.

MMK on January 6, 2016 at 6:49 PM

As a Christian
MMK

Oh stahp! You’re killing me! Hahaha.

CivilDiscourse on January 6, 2016 at 6:50 PM

Oh stahp! You’re killing me! Hahaha.

CivilDiscourse on January 6, 2016 at 6:50 PM

I have no idea WTF “stahp” means, but I’m glad I mad you laugh. Levity will help you deal with your pathetic retardness. If you want some more bad jokes, let me know.

MMK on January 6, 2016 at 6:52 PM

HonestLib
What’s the interest in a thread where everyone sits around agreeing with each other? ;-) I’ve jumped on a number of threads to condemn whatever the latest silly thing coming from the left is, and the comments usually pass by quietly unnoticed. It’s the controversy that people notice—haven’t you noticed?

CivilDiscourse on January 6, 2016 at 6:05 PM

Damn, just how many cats do you own anyway?

Dick Richard on January 6, 2016 at 6:53 PM

ITT: CivilDiscourse implodes.

MMK on January 6, 2016 at 6:54 PM

*most guilty*
blinkered

Reading comprehension 101—you can look into that along with logical fallacy. You’re not very good at inference, are you?

CivilDiscourse on January 6, 2016 at 6:54 PM

civildiscourse, do you favor renewed efforts to expand marital rights? This question isn’t going away. Stop trying to avoid the answer.
blink on January 6, 2016 at 6:52 PM

Come on CD – actually answer a question.

gwelf on January 6, 2016 at 6:55 PM

Reading comprehension 101—you can look into that along with logical fallacy. You’re not very good at inference, are you?

CivilDiscourse on January 6, 2016 at 6:54 PM

CD, seriously, you’re just embarrassing yourself now. Quite while your’e only 1KM behind.

MMK on January 6, 2016 at 6:55 PM

CivilDiscourse on January 6, 2016 at 6:43 PM

You’ve got to be an engineer of sorts… civil? Electrical?

Neitherleftorright on January 6, 2016 at 6:56 PM

You’ve got to be an engineer of sorts… civil? Electrical?

Neitherleftorright on January 6, 2016 at 6:56 PM

lol wat–engineer? Surely you jest. Engineer of Afro-studies, maybe.

MMK on January 6, 2016 at 6:58 PM

It was, and remains a statement …
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listens2glenn on January 6, 2016 at 6:41 PM

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Your statement is stupid, and not worth addressing.
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blink on January 6, 2016 at 6:46 PM

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Like I said . . . D O D G E !
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Many people have a legal right to get married. Do you agree with that?. . . . .
blink on January 6, 2016 at 6:46 PM

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The answer is …N O.
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. . . . . or is that statement not convoluted enough for you?
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blink on January 6, 2016 at 6:46 PM

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A combination “insult/dodge” … great

listens2glenn on January 6, 2016 at 6:59 PM

Reading comprehension 101—you can look into that along with logical fallacy. You’re not very good at inference, are you?

CivilDiscourse on January 6, 2016 at 6:54 PM

Kettle meet pot.

Surely you must understand that virtually everyone on this thread believes that you argue in circles, obfuscate, misunderstand (both purposefully and ignorantly), pretend to take stands that you don’t hold and otherwise simply cause thread mayhem.

Maybe that is your purpose here. It seems to drive the counts up.

Neitherleftorright on January 6, 2016 at 7:01 PM

lol wat–engineer? Surely you jest. Engineer of Afro-studies, maybe.

MMK on January 6, 2016 at 6:58 PM

Heh, there is not way that civildiscourse is any kind of engineer. To become an actual engineer, she would have had to study science, and we all know that leftists hate science.

blink on January 6, 2016 at 6:58 PM

Yeah I think he is an engineer and is married and has a couple of kids.

Neitherleftorright on January 6, 2016 at 7:03 PM

Yeah I think he is an engineer and is married and has a couple of kids.

Neitherleftorright on January 6, 2016 at 7:03 PM

Very well could be, given the state of things.

MMK on January 6, 2016 at 7:06 PM

Yeah I think he is an engineer and is married and has a couple of kids.

Neitherleftorright on January 6, 2016 at 7:03 PM

Have you seen this?
http://www.unz.com/isteve/i-am-become-inanity-the-dumber-downer-of-worlds/

MMK on January 6, 2016 at 7:07 PM

MMK on January 6, 2016 at 7:07 PM

We can thank the American education system for that and more.

Neitherleftorright on January 6, 2016 at 7:12 PM

But he hates science, and is scared to answer what color the sky is. I don’t know any engineer that would be too scared to answer that question.

blink on January 6, 2016 at 7:11 PM

Sound familiar?

Neitherleftorright on January 6, 2016 at 7:13 PM

listens2glenn on January 6, 2016 at 6:59 PM

So, you don’t believe that many people have the legal right to get married. OK, we are done here, since that obviously means that you think that nobody has the legal right to get married.

You’re insane.

blink on January 6, 2016 at 7:10 PM

Why are you two arguing… seems rather pointless?

Neitherleftorright on January 6, 2016 at 7:14 PM

MMK on January 6, 2016 at 7:07 PM

We can thank the American education indoctrination system for that and more.

Neitherleftorright on January 6, 2016 at 7:12 PM

ooops! Got distracted.

Neitherleftorright on January 6, 2016 at 7:15 PM

listens2glenn on January 6, 2016 at 6:59 PM

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So, you don’t believe that many people have the legal right to get married. OK, we are done here, since that obviously means that you think that nobody has the legal right to get married.
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blink on January 6, 2016 at 7:10 PM

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Having any relationship be recognized by the government as a “marriage” … IS …
NOT … A … RIGHT.
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Or simply “marriage is not a right.”
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You’re insane.
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blink on January 6, 2016 at 7:10 PM

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So what … it’s irrelevant to the point.

Plus, I’m a little sensitive about it, and I’ll thank you not to bring it up again.

listens2glenn on January 6, 2016 at 7:27 PM

I guess you’d know a lot more about cockroaches than me… So who are the apes? Your ‘girlfriends’ with the supraorbital ridges, hairy legs and extra 50 kilos?

DarkCurrent on January 6, 2016 at 5:33 PM

Don’t be talkin’ about my ex-wife, now…just ’cause she let herself go since the divorce. :p

Solaratov on January 6, 2016 at 7:32 PM

–maybe a well meaning one, but still, a liberal.

Vanceone on January 6, 2016 at 5:50 PM

There is no such thing as a “well-meaning” liberal/progressive/leftist.

They would all set you on fire and laugh at you as you burned.

If they can’t control you, they’ll have you killed.

Without a second thought.

Solaratov on January 6, 2016 at 7:44 PM

Ok Hop Sing… settle down.

Neitherleftorright on January 6, 2016 at 6:32 PM

If you like your pudding dogs you can keep you pudding dogs, and your weepy president.

DarkCurrent on January 6, 2016 at 7:48 PM

Are you telling me that getting married is a privilege granted by government?????
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blink on January 6, 2016 at 7:35 PM

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Having your marriage be formally recognized by the government is a privilege … correct.
Getting a Marriage License is no more a “right” than a Driver’s License.

Having your relationship recognized as a marriage by God, should be the real issue.

listens2glenn on January 6, 2016 at 7:51 PM

But he hates science, and is scared to answer what color the sky is. I don’t know any engineer that would be too scared to answer that question.

blink on January 6, 2016 at 7:11 PM

What color is the sky blink?

DarkCurrent on January 6, 2016 at 7:56 PM

Oh yeah, loads of ignoring going on in this thread. Tons.

CivilDiscourse on January 6, 2016 at 6:48 PM

I just got here, so now I begin to ignore you. Thanks for the heads up fellow hotairians!

aceinstall on January 6, 2016 at 8:02 PM

Again I ask: Why can’t we treat gay marriage the same way we treat consanguineous marriage?

Some states disallow first cousins to marry (Texas, Arkansas, etc..) while in some backwards hick states (New York, Mass…) it’s just fine with them. FFaC means kissin’ cousin marriages have to be recognized by the other states.

Random Numbers (Brian Epps) on January 6, 2016 at 8:29 PM

Moore should spend more time parenting his drug addict son, less time obsessing about the gay invasion.

everdiso on January 6, 2016 at 8:38 PM

As usual, we get sucked into meaningless social issues which are little more than Communist subterfuge. In the meantime, real life moves on.

U.S. Steel To End Operations At Alabama’s Fairfield Works Mill

Alabama lost 102,100 manufacturing jobs (or 28.6 percent) during the NAFTA-WTO period (1994-2015), according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics.

‘I’m losing my family’: Alabama state park employees losing more than jobs

Roland Cooper is one of five state parks that closed to the public on Oct. 15 after the state legislature passed measures in late September to combat the General Fund deficit. The closure of the four others – Bladon Springs, Chickasaw, Florala and Paul M. Grist – also led to layoffs.

In all, about 50 full- and part-time jobs were lost, State Parks Director Greg Lein said, and the salaries, benefits and equipment used by those employees will save the state around $1 million.

North American Coal Corp. on Oct. 10 officially closed its Jasper operations, making it the most recent in a series of layoffs impacting Alabama’s once-lucrative coal industry.

Walter Energy eliminating 180 jobs near Tuscaloosa, could eliminate up to 545 more

Possible cuts in the state’s General Fund budget are leaving some circuit court clerks worried about the future.

Butler County Circuit Clerk Mattie Gomillion says the Alabama chief justice’s office informed her that if the proposed cuts happen, including furlough days, her department could see layoffs, cutting her staff almost in half.

Alabama’s K-12 cuts since recession among nation’s worst, report finds

Alabama ranks second worst in the country in state K-12 education funding cuts, with state support down 17.3 percent since the start of the Great Recession, according to a report released Thursday by the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities (CBPP), a nonpartisan policy research organization based in Washington, D.C.

Only Oklahoma has seen deeper per-student state funding cuts since 2008 than Alabama has. Overall, Alabama cut its total state and local investment in K-12 schools by 11.3 percent per student between 2008 and 2014, the seventh worst cut in the nation.

Cliffs Natural Resources laying off 220 coal miners in Alabama

EarthLink Announces Layoffs in Alabama, New York

Number of Ala. Kids in Poverty Grows to 1 in 4

The chairmen of Alabama’s general fund budget committees said additional cuts are likely when lawmakers convene in February.

After spending most of 2015 fighting over how to fill a shortfall in the state’s general fund budget, legislative leaders say they expect another difficult year in 2016 with little appetite for additional tax increases.

Increase in environmental fees to Alabama poultry and livestock farmers

Recent budget cuts from the state legislature are forcing the Alabama Office of Corrections to ask counties to pay for courthouse bailiffs.

TUSCALOOSA, Ala. (WIAT) — Stillman College has cancelled all sports, except for men and women’s basketball.

Chief justice: Alabama courts need $12 million more

Sheriff: 309 cases on backlog at state forensic department

Up to a year-long wait to identify human remains — That is how long it could possibly take according to the Colbert County Sheriff, Frank Williamson, because of state budget cuts at forensic labs.

Etc….so gays may finally be able to get married, but they just might not have jobs.

Hope and Change.

Dr. ZhivBlago on January 6, 2016 at 8:53 PM

Heh. CivilDeranged showed up and that’s why this thread got so big.

Or is that Allahpundit.

22044 on January 6, 2016 at 9:16 PM

Alabama. What a surprise.

JetBoy on January 6, 2016 at 9:34 PM

Moore should spend more time parenting his drug addict son, less time obsessing about the gay invasion.

everdiso on January 6, 2016 at 8:38 PM

So should Joe Biden.

HumpBot Salvation on January 6, 2016 at 9:35 PM

Or is that Allahpundit.

Taylor Millennial.

F X Muldoon on January 6, 2016 at 9:46 PM

You probably mean the lack of the prominent supraorbital (brow) ridges you may be more familiar with in your local population. It seems the lack of this primitive feature often makes modern human eyes look ‘slanty’ to archaic humans.

DarkCurrent on January 6, 2016 at 5:16 PM

lol yes. Butthurt much? We, who walked the surface of the moon, are primitive because of differences in epicanthic folds relative to those who eat dogs cooked in sewer water.

MMK on January 6, 2016 at 5:19 PM

Hilarious!

tanked59 on January 6, 2016 at 11:27 PM

Are you telling me that getting married is a privilege granted by government?????
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blink on January 6, 2016 at 7:35 PM
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Having your marriage be formally recognized by the government is a privilege … correct.
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listens2glenn on January 6, 2016 at 7:51 PM

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Getting married is NOT the same thing as having the government formally recognize your marriage.

Given the point you are trying to make it’s incomprehensible that you wouldn’t be precise about your wording. Here’s what you wrote:
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Many people have a legal right to get married. Do you agree with that…
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blink on January 6, 2016 at 6:46 PM
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The answer is …N O.
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listens2glenn on January 6, 2016 at 6:59 PM

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How did it escape your notice that I was specifically saying that people have the legal right to get married. I didn’t state that they had the legal right to have their marriage recognized by the federal government.

Then, you wonder why I don’t understand your inadequate language. Unbelievable.
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blink on January 6, 2016 at 9:36 PM

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What exactly is it that we’re disagreeing over, here?

The definition of “legal right” or “married”?

All of the above?

If a relationship between two consenting adults isn’t recognized by either:

1) – God

or

2) – government

…as a marriage, then what value is there, to those two consenting adults, of claiming to be married?

listens2glenn on January 6, 2016 at 11:53 PM

listens2glenn on January 6, 2016 at 6:59 PM

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So, you don’t believe that many people have the legal right to get married. OK, we are done here, since that obviously means that you think that nobody has the legal right to get married.

You’re insane.
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blink on January 6, 2016 at 7:10 PM
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Why are you two arguing… seems rather pointless?
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Neitherleftorright on January 6, 2016 at 7:14 PM

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Sorry . . . . . must be my inner masochist.

listens2glenn on January 6, 2016 at 11:57 PM

Looks like Roy Moore wants his 15 minutes of fame. Hey Carrie’s Mom I mean Kim Davis got her 15 minutes of fame so why shouldn’t an important official such as himself not get it.

tom2789 on January 7, 2016 at 1:03 AM

The Supremes screwed the pooch with the gay marriage decision. They forgot the larger societal effects and particularly the religious effects. Christians, Jews, and Muslims simply cannot accept this as a “marriage” at all. And it isn’t. In the past the Supremes have lagged behind on most issues allowing the country to move before they render such a broad and changing opinion. Not this time so there will be consequences. Another stake in the heart of freedom. Thanks Justice Kennedy, thanks a lot, you mouth breathing idiot.

phadras on January 7, 2016 at 8:25 AM

tom2789 on January 7, 2016 at 1:03 AM

That wasn’t Carrie’s mom it was Annie Wilkes from Misery.

wearyexclusive on January 7, 2016 at 8:39 AM

The Supremes screwed the pooch with the gay marriage decision. They forgot the larger societal effects and particularly the religious effects. Christians, Jews, and Muslims simply cannot accept this as a “marriage” at all. And it isn’t. In the past the Supremes have lagged behind on most issues allowing the country to move before they render such a broad and changing opinion. Not this time so there will be consequences. Another stake in the heart of freedom. Thanks Justice Kennedy, thanks a lot, you mouth breathing idiot.

phadras on January 7, 2016 at 8:25 AM

I don’t want to be apart of anything the Muslims are in agreement with.

weedisgood on January 7, 2016 at 9:19 AM

phadras on January 7, 2016 at 8:25 AM

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I don’t want to be apart of anything the Muslims are in agreement with.
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weedisgood on January 7, 2016 at 9:19 AM

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I’m betting you’re all for eating, drinking, breathing, and wearing clothes.

listens2glenn on January 7, 2016 at 9:47 AM

Confederate flags hardest hit.

Galtian on January 7, 2016 at 10:39 AM

The long term question of whether or not a state supreme court judge can defy SCOTUS (and I don’t see how) isn’t really even the issue here.

No. This is the issue. Are we a Republic or not?

cptacek on January 7, 2016 at 11:58 AM

The official state religion has spoken. To be pure you must agree. Jazz Shaw knows you can’t become leader of the state unless you keep your disagreements hidden.

Mormontheman on January 7, 2016 at 12:39 PM

What color is the sky blink?

DarkCurrent on January 6, 2016 at 7:56 PM

I see blink still can’t answer a simple question.

DarkCurrent on January 7, 2016 at 2:59 PM

Dude does like hawt chicks, good beer, good food, and can fly.

HonestLib on January 6, 2016 at 5:42 PM

You seem to be confusing me, DC, for CD. I’m the one with hawt chicks, good beer, good food, and who can fly.

DarkCurrent on January 7, 2016 at 3:08 PM

Dude does like hawt chicks, good beer, good food, and can fly.

HonestLib on January 6, 2016 at 5:42 PM

You seem to be confusing me, DC, for CD. I’m the one with hawt chicks, good beer, good food, and who can fly.

DarkCurrent on January 7, 2016 at 3:08 PM

LOL

On topic

Here we go. Alabama supreme court Chief Justice halts same sex marriage

Come on, can we ever just get over the ghey sh1t already???
This judge needs to be take aside and either disbarred or told to stfu already.
Gay people can be married, bfd, get over it. I truly cannot believe this is still an issue for people.

Voodoo Chile on January 7, 2016 at 5:11 PM

If a relationship between two consenting adults isn’t recognized by either:

1) – God

or

2) – government

…as a marriage, then what value is there, to those two consenting adults, of claiming to be married?
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listens2glenn on January 6, 2016 at 11:53 PM

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That doesn’t matter. You have the right to own a gun – even if the gun isn’t effective.
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blink on January 7, 2016 at 1:24 PM

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It would appear you’re all for the definition of “marriage” or “being married”, to mean whatever anyone feels like saying it is.

listens2glenn on January 8, 2016 at 2:32 AM

What exactly is it that we’re disagreeing over, here?

listens2glenn on January 6, 2016 at 11:53 PM

Your ability to form a coherent argument.

Goodness, blink what is your problem? Bad enough to be so incredibly rude to someone who it really seems should be an ally on this issue (at least it seemed so based on your other recent comments), but to then go on and spew something so incoherent as the following immediately after using that term as part of your personal attack:

I was specifically saying that people have the legal right to get married. I didn’t state that they had the legal right to have their marriage recognized by the federal government.

blink on January 7, 2016 at 1:23 PM

… So… somehow “legal rights” don’t have to do with government recognition? Why in the world are you using the word “legal”, then?? Asinine.

CanofSand on January 8, 2016 at 4:47 AM

It would appear you’re all for the definition of “marriage” or “being married”, to mean whatever anyone feels like saying it is.
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listens2glenn on January 8, 2016 at 2:32 AM

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Are you opposed to recognizing the marriage of a couple living in the Himalayan mountains that didn’t get the government’s permission, haven’t told the government, and don’t believe in any type of god? Are you saying that it’s impossible for them to consider themselves to be married?
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blink on January 8, 2016 at 3:39 AM

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One man/male plus one woman/female living together in a monogamous relationship, is a marriage before God, whether you’re an atheist (anti-theist?) or not.

The various civil governing bodies around the world are secondary.

Is “recognition of God” and government(s) being secondary, a problem for you?

listens2glenn on January 8, 2016 at 8:27 AM

I was specifically saying that people have the legal right to get married. I didn’t state that they had the legal right to have their marriage recognized by the federal government.
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blink on January 7, 2016 at 1:23 PM

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… So… somehow “legal rights” don’t have to do with government recognition? Why in the world are you using the word “legal”, then?? Asinine.
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CanofSand on January 8, 2016 at 4:47 AM

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That is kind of a good, valid, LEGAL question there, blink.

listens2glenn on January 8, 2016 at 8:31 AM

I’m the one that can answer it. It’s civildiscourse that can’t answer it.

If you can, why don’t you? I did ask you directly.

Btw, is Selena wearing tights yet?

blink on January 7, 2016 at 6:32 PM

Who?

DarkCurrent on January 8, 2016 at 2:46 PM

… So… somehow “legal rights” don’t have to do with government recognition? Why in the world are you using the word “legal”, then??
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CanofSand on January 8, 2016 at 4:47 AM

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My comment is quite clear. It’s not illegal to marry someone. Therefore, you have the legal right to do it. This doesn’t mean that you have the right to make the government recognize it.
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blink on January 8, 2016 at 1:05 PM

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So … what … constitutes … a marriage ?

And what “legality” is involved, if government refuses to recognize it?
(I believe that’s what CanofSand was asking)

listens2glenn on January 8, 2016 at 7:09 PM

One man/male plus one woman/female living together in a monogamous relationship, is a marriage before God, whether you’re an atheist (anti-theist?) or not.
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listens2glenn on January 8, 2016 at 8:27 AM

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Really? So, shacking up is the same as getting married in your eyes?
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blink on January 8, 2016 at 1:07 PM

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In a monogamous relationship, it’s the same as getting ‘married’, in God’s eyes.
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Is “recognition of God”…. being secondary, a problem for you?
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listens2glenn on January 8, 2016 at 8:27 AM

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Wait, you’re saying that the recognition of a marriage by a deity is secondary for a marriage?
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blink on January 8, 2016 at 1:07 PM

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Guess I’ll have to take responsibility for the ‘absence-of-clarity’ on that … so, trying again, and here’s the entire quote, with the addition of two key words:

The various civil governing bodies around the world are secondary.

Is “recognition of God” being primary and government(s) being secondary, a problem for you?
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listens2glenn on January 8, 2016 at 8:27 AM

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Don’t know if that helped, but it’s my best stab at it.

listens2glenn on January 8, 2016 at 7:38 PM

I was specifically saying that people have the legal right to get married. I didn’t state that they had the legal right to have their marriage recognized by the federal government.
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blink on January 7, 2016 at 1:23 PM

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… So… somehow “legal rights” don’t have to do with government recognition? Why in the world are you using the word “legal”, then?? Asinine.
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CanofSand on January 8, 2016 at 4:47 AM
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That is kind of a good, valid, LEGAL question there, blink.
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listens2glenn on January 8, 2016 at 8:31 AM

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I typed my comment incredibly precisely. I’m sorry I was rude to you, but you don’t make any sense on this issue. I couldn’t help you articulate your position better if I understood it, but I don’t. Sorry.
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blink on January 8, 2016 at 1:08 PM

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And I’m totally failing to grasp your position, so between the two of us, we find it equally impossible to understand one another.

Now what ?

listens2glenn on January 8, 2016 at 7:46 PM

Marriage is a union of a Man and a Woman, under the eyes of God.
Nothing else is.
But the ” Gay Rights ” refuse to even so much as find another term for it.
Nope, the idea is to destroy the sanctity of Marriage.
Now, if they wanted to go form a partnership of any type they so desired… I could care less.
But, the definition of ” Marriage ” has been established.
It ain’t up to a vote.

Snowshooze on January 8, 2016 at 9:25 PM

Marriage is a union of a Man and a Woman, under the eyes of God.
Nothing else is.
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Snowshooze on January 8, 2016 at 9:25 PM

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Well, sir (or mam) … that statement qualifies you as a “Grade A”, certified BIGGOT … just like me.

listens2glenn on January 9, 2016 at 12:58 AM

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