AP fact check: Obama gun-control actions wouldn’t have stopped any mass shooting

posted at 8:41 am on January 6, 2016 by Ed Morrissey

To paraphrase Samuel Johnson: media fact-checks on Barack Obama’s claims about guns may not be done entirely well … but one is surprised to find them done at all. Following Obama’s emotional press conference yesterday, both the Associated Press and the Washington Post’s Glenn Kessler conducted some research into his claims and his proposals. Both of them found serious holes in Obama’s arguments.

Let’s start with the AP’s Michael Sisak, who corroborated arguments gun-rights advocates have been making ever since word began leaking out about the executive actions Obama would take:

The gun control measures a tearful President Barack Obama announced Tuesday would not have prevented the slaughters of 20 first-graders at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Connecticut, or 14 county workers at a holiday party in San Bernardino, California. …

Those measures are seen as crucial to stemming gun suicides — the cause of two-thirds of gun deaths — by blocking immediate access to weapons. But, an Associated Press review shows, they would have had no impact in keeping weapons from the hands of suspects in several of the deadliest recent mass shootings that have spurred calls for tighter gun control.

The shooters at Sandy Hook and San Bernardino used weapons bought by others, shielding them from background checks. In other cases, the shooters legally bought guns.

Sisak appends his analysis with a detailed list of mass shootings over the past three-plus years, and notes in each why the changes announced by Obama end up being non-sequiturs. The only shooting that might have been prevented by federal action should have been stopped anyway. Dylann Roof had a drug arrest on his record, which should have flagged his application to purchase a firearm, but a records screw-up allowed Roof to buy his weapon — and Obama’s proposals wouldn’t have changed that, either.

In fact, hardly anyone buys their weapons through the supposed “loophole” Obama purported to close yesterday, Liz Peek argues:

Access to guns by unfit people has almost nothing to do with the “gun show loophole,” which turns out to be another one of those convenient myths that has driven Obama policy–like the false suggestion that a goodly share of our prison population are innocent victims of overly-harsh drug laws.

After the Sandy Hook tragedy, President Obama convened a group overseen by Vice President Joe Biden to study gun control issues. In a 2013 speech, the president proposed various policies meant to check such killings, including expanding background checks to private sales of firearms. He noted that any sales through federally licensed vendors require background checks to eliminate those with a criminal history or mental health issues, but also claimed, “It’s hard to enforce that law when as many as 40 percent of all gun purchases are conducted without a background check.”

This assertion was debunked by FactCheck, which points out that the dubious 40 percent statistic emerged from a 1994 telephone survey of only 251 individuals. The author of that study told Politifact that he has “no idea” if that number is valid; Biden takes pains when discussing the topic to say the figure may be incorrect. Other analysts cite 4% as a more accurate share of gun sales through unlicensed dealers, given that a large number of the people surveyed said they had received guns from friends or relatives.

A 2001 survey of state and federal prisoners discovered that less than one percenthad bought their weapons at a gun show. Another study, of inmates of the Cook County jail, claimed that 70 percent of those locked up had acquired their weapons from friends or gang members; another favorite source was “straw” purchases made by someone capable of passing the background check. Only two had actually had actually bought a gun at a store.

Still, Obama kept pushing this notion as a pressing reason for acting unilaterally to do … not very much, as it turns out. “The problem is some gun sellers have been operating under a different set of rules,” Obama claimed. “A violent felon can buy the exact same weapon over the Internet with no background check, no questions asked.” This is absolute poppycock, at least as far as the law is concerned, which applies to all commercial/retail gun sales. Glenn Kessler found himself deluged by demands for a fact check, and responded today with a two-Pinocchio rating for this statement:

Administration officials say his point was that electronic commerce has made it easier for prohibited people such as felons to obtain firearms (or to hide such transactions from scrutiny behind the dark Web). Put in those terms, his statement is reasonable. Illegal markets often exploit new forms of commerce.

But many readers believed Obama was asserting the rules were different for the Internet — that it legally permitted violent felons to obtain guns.

We agree that Obama’s language is slippery and could be confusing to the average person who doesn’t know anything about FFLs and interstate requirements. There is nothing unique about the Internet; the laws governing private transactions and interstate sales are exactly the same. It’s the same as offering to sell a gun on a bulletin board, except the bulletin board is significantly larger. The Internet, and eletronic payment systems such as PayPal and Bitcoin, have certainly facilitated transactions that in the past would have been more difficult to arrange.

Obama erred in saying the rules are different for Internet sellers. They face the same rules as other sellers — rules that the administration now says it will enforce better.

Clearly, Obama wasn’t faulting enforcement; he demanded changes in the law, challenging Congress to act to close this supposed “loophole.” His language is slippery and dishonest, and it has been consistently both on this point for years. Kessler gave him two Pinocchios for getting it wrong, but the error in this case has been repetitive and deliberate. Kessler does a good job of getting the facts straight, but seems a bit too gracious under the circumstances to a president who’s been demagoguing on this false premise for a very long time. Kudos for taking up the challenge, but I’d have leaned toward the four-Pinocchio result, with an extra scolding for trying to sell this with a super-sized serving of lachrymose.


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He’s a spiteful little b_stard.

fossten on January 6, 2016 at 8:45 AM

#1 gun salesman of the year for 7 years running..

dougmva on January 6, 2016 at 8:48 AM

#1 gun salesman of the year for 7 years running..

dougmva on January 6, 2016 at 8:48 AM

The NRA needs to give him an award for Biggest Recruiter, just for spite/fun

Rogue on January 6, 2016 at 8:49 AM

Oh, noes!!!! Dear Leader is crying!!! Quick! Shred the Constitution!!!!

CurtZHP on January 6, 2016 at 8:51 AM

so THAT’S why he was crying.

Guy Valkyrie on January 6, 2016 at 8:51 AM

Stricter gun laws wouldn’t have prevented these mass killings, but stricter immigration laws (assuming the laws were actually enforced) could have prevented 9/11, Ft. Hood, Boston, San Bernardino . . . .

AZCoyote on January 6, 2016 at 8:53 AM

Then he has to try harder.

Walter L. Newton on January 6, 2016 at 8:53 AM

Meanwhile.

“Military age men” at San Diego’s southern border
0
“Credible threat” posed by unknown Afghans and Pakistanis

http://www.sandiegoreader.com/news/2016/jan/05/stringers-threat-san-diego-southern-border/#

IDontCair on January 6, 2016 at 8:54 AM

You heartless bastages! How dare you not bend over and grease up for Mighty Pharaoh! You don’t care about children!! In fact, you hate children, because you won’t let my Precious Savior take away your guns!!!!

/prevert427

CurtZHP on January 6, 2016 at 8:56 AM

Alternate headline: Obama’s still full of shiite.

chewmeister on January 6, 2016 at 8:56 AM

The left doesn’t care about facts. Because Obama cried! He cares and that’s all that matters to them.

gwelf on January 6, 2016 at 8:57 AM

I don’t see the problem here. Everyone knows that the proper treatment for an earache is removing the gall bladder.

Bat Chain Puller on January 6, 2016 at 8:58 AM

And this.

Industry executives and university advocates have successfully duped nearly every reporter, editor and anchor nationwide about the scale and purpose of the H-1B professional outsourcing program.

The journalists–and Americans—have been kept in the dark while universities and many allied name-brand companies have quietly imported an extra workforce of at least 100,000 lower-wage foreign professionals in place of higher-wage American graduates, above the supposed annual cap of 85,000 new H-1Bs.

Less than one-sixth of these extra 100,000 outsourced hires are the so-called “high-tech” computer experts that dominate media coverage of the contentious H-1B private-sector outsourcing debate.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/01/05/industry-universities-hide-workforce-100000-extra-foreign-white-collar-h-1b-employees/

IDontCair on January 6, 2016 at 8:58 AM

Obama wept.

America is forced to weep over Obama’s release of violent criminals into our communities – like the 121 illegal aliens who committed murders after they were released from custody by the Obama administration instead of being deported. And that doesn’t take into account the others we don’t know about.

The whole world weeps waiting for American leadership in these troubled times as Islamic savages commit genocide against the Christians of the Middle East and terrorize innocent people in cities across the globe.

Meanwhile, Obama wept as he blamed law-abiding patriots for the nation’s insecurity and sought to strip them of the Constitutional rights that generations of Americans shed blood to protect.

Obama wept, while we all continue to weep for our country and the civilized world.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/01/05/exclusive-sarah-palin-obama-wept/

IDontCair on January 6, 2016 at 9:01 AM

One thing the gunphobes like Obama will never address is why it is that the culture they’ve been championing for over 60 years now is producing so many Adam Lanza and Eric Kleybold and Dylan Roof type of disaffected young males.

Better to keep the onus on the baddie legal gun owners.

Cleombrotus on January 6, 2016 at 9:01 AM

Those measures are seen as crucial to stemming gun suicides — the cause of two-thirds of gun deaths — by blocking immediate access to weapons.

Ha ha ha

Yeah, so these people wont be able to find another way to commit suicide?

gwelf on January 6, 2016 at 9:02 AM

The left doesn’t care about facts. Because Obama cried! He cares and that’s all that matters to them.

gwelf on January 6, 2016 at 8:57 AM

And if we don’t immediately hang our heads in shame at his tears, we’re heartless monsters who are no longer worth listening to.

That’s exactly how the left uses this particular tactic to silence opposition.

They’re starting to catch on that the Race Card is maxed out, so now they have to resort to this.

CurtZHP on January 6, 2016 at 9:02 AM

Bill O’Rino.

“The FBI should background check anyone buying a firearm in America. That just makes sense,” O’Reilly said. “If you are paranoid and believe the government is stockpiling information so they can come to your house and take your guns, that’s your problem — your problem. But the government has an obligation to enhance public safety.”

https://www.rawstory.com/2016/01/even-bill-oreilly-says-the-nra-should-stop-being-paranoid-about-obamas-gun-order/

IDontCair on January 6, 2016 at 9:04 AM

And if we don’t immediately hang our heads in shame at his tears, we’re heartless monsters who are no longer worth listening to.

That’s exactly how the left uses this particular tactic to silence opposition.

They’re starting to catch on that the Race Card is maxed out, so now they have to resort to this.

CurtZHP on January 6, 2016 at 9:02 AM

Somehow we’re the heartless ones when it’s Obama rhetorically trotting out slain children to help him push an agenda even Obama admits wouldn’t have stopped their deaths.

I guess usurping slain children for your political agenda is a sign of caring to lefties.

gwelf on January 6, 2016 at 9:05 AM

His language is slippery and dishonest, and it has been consistently both on this point for years.

And pretty much every other point as well. “If you like your doctor you can keep your doctor” “Shovel ready”

rbj on January 6, 2016 at 9:08 AM

AP fact check: Obama gun-control actions wouldn’t have stopped any mass shooting

For that matter, and this has been bothering me since I heard the rat-eared bastard say it yesterday, nothing proposed yesterday would have stopped a suicide either.

When it comes to suicide, firearms are a means to an end. If you take away one means, an individual determined to commit suicide will find another means of doing so.

Happy Nomad on January 6, 2016 at 9:09 AM

Dear leader doesn’t know much about the Constitution, limits to presidential powers, or loopholes but he does know that a lie or mis-representation of the truth, will get spread far faster by all the talking heads than any rebuttal. What was up with those phoney tears anyway. It’s been 2 years since those kids were killed and he’s just now going to pick up the pen to do something about it. All those aides in the background started crying right on cue, too. They must have replaced those fake doctors in the white coats. Fake outrage, fake sympathy, everything is fake wit this admin.

Kissmygrits on January 6, 2016 at 9:10 AM

Far and away the number one cause of mass shootings: Gun-free zones.

Address that, Barry, and you’ll be on to something.

Lolo on January 6, 2016 at 9:11 AM

His language is slippery and dishonest, and it has been consistently both on this point for years.

With very few exceptions, everyone on the Left that has called for any form of gun control since the 1960s has used false and misleading arguments and statistics, it isn’t just him doing it.

Johnnyreb on January 6, 2016 at 9:11 AM

Kessler does a good job of getting the facts straight, but seems a bit too gracious under the circumstances to a president who’s been demagoguing on this false premise for a very long time.

Kessler is a dishonest WaPo crap weasel with all the integrity that comes with that title. He isn’t being gracious when he lets the rat-eared bastard off the hook, he’s following the WaPo’s editorial guidelines. Had Ted Cruz or Trump made the same comments, Kessler would have gone turbo-Pinocchio. It’s that double standard on each and every issue (where Dems get special treatment) that makes Kessler’s fact checking worthless.

Happy Nomad on January 6, 2016 at 9:12 AM

IDontCair on January 6, 2016 at 9:04 AM

That’s when I turned the channel. BOR had his lib hat on and that loud, lecturing, I’m always right voice at full blast.

Kissmygrits on January 6, 2016 at 9:14 AM

Beats me why anyone would waste time fact-checking Bark’s speeches. If the WaPo really wants a challenge they should sift through his statements looking for a single instance when he spoke the truth.

cornbred on January 6, 2016 at 9:17 AM

If you like your kabuki moistened with tears, you can keep your kabuki moistened with tears.

Mr. D on January 6, 2016 at 9:17 AM

IDontCair on January 6, 2016 at 9:04 AM

He also stated that Dylan Roof was given his gun by his father which is incorrect. He bought the gun legally at a gun shop. The feds screwed up the BGC. Whoddathunkit

rik on January 6, 2016 at 9:19 AM

COME ON YOU KNOW THAT STOPPING OR SLOWING DOWN GUN VIOLENCE HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH OBAMA’S PHONY GUN CONTROL FIAT HE PUT OUT.


If he really wanted to stop gun violence it isn’t that hard. Big time sentences for anyone committing a crime using a gun and stop and frisk. These laws would go after the criminals not the honest citizens that just want to protect themselves. But that is not what he was trying to do. He was actually doing this to protect illegal alien felons, future felons coming in as refugees from ISIS and the felons that he is letting out of prison.

pwb on January 6, 2016 at 9:20 AM

I guess usurping slain children for your political agenda is a sign of caring to lefties.

Nothing says “I care” like cutting up dead babies and selling them for parts.

cornbred on January 6, 2016 at 9:25 AM

so THAT’S why he was crying.

Guy Valkyrie on January 6, 2016 at 8:51 AM

I’m guessing the reason he was crying, is that he finally found the end of his executive overreach.

oscarwilde on January 6, 2016 at 9:29 AM

I’m guessing the reason he was crying, is that he finally found the end of his executive overreach.

oscarwilde on January 6, 2016 at 9:29 AM

Yesterday was only a whiff of what we will be seeing for the next 30 years

rik on January 6, 2016 at 9:31 AM

This is all a diversion from his ISIS fiasco, the continuous criticism was eating his narcissistic self alive. And everyone has fallen for it — we’re talking about his nothing burger executive actions again.

Crying was unprecedented because the need was unprecedented, but his screw you was the same as the other times he’s broken out the defiant contempt: He wiped away the tears with his middle finger.

Younggod on January 6, 2016 at 9:32 AM

Of course. This is all about taking guns. i.e., Incrementalism 101. Once the Feds determine that they can arbitrarily add someone to a list without due process (no-fly list, for example) they can send in an ATF swat team to crash down the door and confiscate weapons. Once that population is disarmed, on to the next…

ChowHound on January 6, 2016 at 9:34 AM

I am going out on a limb here but with everything obama touches turns to more destruction of this nation. I think the Lord put him in office as a judgement against the USA. I can’t explain any other reason on why obama does the things he does to this nation.

garydt on January 6, 2016 at 9:39 AM

Far and away the number one cause of mass shootings: Gun-free zones.

Address that, Barry, and you’ll be on to something.

Lolo on January 6, 2016 at 9:11 AM

I actually heard a progressive dimwit talking head on the radio yesterday claim it was merely coincidental that 100% of mass shootings occur in gun-free zones and 0% occur in areas where people are customarily armed.

Her theory was because mass murderers are simply going back to the places where they were humiliated and bullied in the past and punishing those who hurt them.

If coincidence! is the new talking point, the left has drifted so far from the moorings of sanity, they can’t even see the dock anymore.

Dolce Far Niente on January 6, 2016 at 9:39 AM

Ask a liberal:
Would you accept any of the restrictions you are demanding on the Second Amendment to be applied to Abortion?

Background Checks and Licenses that cost hundreds of dollars?
Insurance requirements.
Age Restrictions?
Lifetime limits?

Over 300 Million guns have never been fired in anger, much less taken a life.
EVERY ABORTION ENDS A LIFE.

barnone on January 6, 2016 at 9:40 AM

Her theory was because mass murderers are simply going back to the places where they were humiliated and bullied in the past and punishing those who hurt them.

If coincidence! is the new talking point, the left has drifted so far from the moorings of sanity, they can’t even see the dock anymore.

Dolce Far Niente on January 6, 2016 at 9:39 AM

The Sandy Hook shooter was humiliated and bullied by kindergarteners?

Happy Nomad on January 6, 2016 at 9:46 AM

I am going out on a limb here but with everything obama touches turns to more destruction of this nation. I think the Lord put him in office as a judgement against the USA. I can’t explain any other reason on why obama does the things he does to this nation.

garydt on January 6, 2016 at 9:39 AM

Whether or not this is punishment from God, it is clear that Obama’s destruction of America is intentional. His claims of loving this country and believing in Christ are outright lies. He is pure evil no matter the source.

Happy Nomad on January 6, 2016 at 9:48 AM

Ha ha ha

Yeah, so these people wont be able to find another way to commit suicide?

gwelf on January 6, 2016 at 9:02 AM

Exactly. Including suicides in this nonsense is nothing more than sleight of hand. I doubt VERY seriously that an even remotely significant portion of gun suicides were done by someone with a gun they JUST bought for that exact purpose. Come on. If you are bound and determined to kill yourself and you don’t own a gun, what is the likely percentage of people that 1) find another way, or 2) go out and buy a gun right now. I’d say 99.5% and 0.5%.

Especially since 1.3 million people try it every year and only about 1.7% use a gun. Seems like an awful lot of people are trying suicide without the need to go out and buy a gun.

deadrody on January 6, 2016 at 9:55 AM

Why hasn’t The Won used his “skills” to encourage folks in his own home town to embrace education and the American dream rather than lawlessness. He’s a waste of air.

Cindy Munford on January 6, 2016 at 9:56 AM

Of course. This is all about taking guns. i.e., Incrementalism 101. Once the Feds determine that they can arbitrarily add someone to a list without due process (no-fly list, for example) they can send in an ATF swat team to crash down the door and confiscate weapons. Once that population is disarmed, on to the next…

ChowHound on January 6, 2016 at 9:34 AM

Yes, and here’s their rationale. Anyone who owns a gun may be a law-abiding citizen today but could tomorrow use it for malevolent purposes. So, take away the gun and thus eliminate that “potential”.

It’s crazy, of course, but that’s how the left can explain places like Chicago with the strongest gun control laws on the books. You see, all those killers in Chi Town wouldn’t have become killers if they couldn’t get their hands on guns. Ignored, of course, is that these thugs are of criminal mind to begin with and would get their hands on weapons, no matter what the laws say, while the law abiding are prevented from having guns to defend themselves against the former.

Complete idiocy.

TXUS on January 6, 2016 at 10:02 AM

I wonder if obama will cry and sob over the news about the bomb in North Korea? I doubt if he even mentions it. He probably has joy in his heart when Iran has the bomb officially.

garydt on January 6, 2016 at 10:07 AM

The left doesn’t care about facts. Because Obama cried! He cares and that’s all that matters to them.

gwelf on January 6, 2016 at 8:57 AM

Leftists don’t really care about much of anything at all except themselves and making themselves feel good.

If they actually cared about public safety, improving public schools, improving the economy, etc. they would be forced to acknowledge that a lot of their core ideas don’t actually work in the real world. And that would make them feel really bad about themselves. Like they’ve wasted their lives.

visions on January 6, 2016 at 10:07 AM

AP Fact Checks… the SCOAMF lied… pfft. In other news, water is wet.

fresh air on January 6, 2016 at 10:13 AM

Gun control has never been about anything other than human control, crying or no crying. Mass murders, suicides, “terrorism”, are all just a means to an end.

antipc on January 6, 2016 at 10:18 AM

um, the AP is…er….RACIST!

socalcon on January 6, 2016 at 10:24 AM

James Taranto @jamestaranto Dec 19. Reminder: “Fact check” journalism is unimaginative opinion writing in a falsely authoritative voice.

d1carter on January 6, 2016 at 10:26 AM

The part of these EAs that worries me the most involves the disqualifications. From reports, it sounds like social security is supposed to tell BATF or the FBI when someone is adjudged mentally incompetent to handle his or her own financial affairs. So far as I know, that has NEVER been a basis for making someone ineligible to own firearms, and certainly the social security administration is not an adjudicating body with the expertise or authority to determine whether someone’s mental state makes them dangerous to own guns.

That stuff will sneak through administratively. I suspect, moreover, that there’s a boatload of people whose families (and themselves) blithely went along with an administrative designation of themselves as “incompetent,” with no sense that it would have this effect.

So to me, all the stuff being reported about on this is a smokescreen. It’s the behind-the-scenes enablement of person-by-person disqualifications on bases never envisioned in the statutes that is the real threat.

FiveG on January 6, 2016 at 10:32 AM

Sleepy-Time Ben isn’t sure if he can “completely trust” obama on gun control …

https://grabien.com/story.php?id=44881

Pork-Chop on January 6, 2016 at 10:34 AM

Liberals are about “feelings and emotions” not actually about solving a problem.

Not to mention that Obama is a documented liar. Who needs that in a president? Sure, narrow security concerns to protect the country from its enemies…but apparently the citizenry of the US has become the enemy of the government of the US.

Liberals…all about “the end justifies the means” without ever expanding on “the end” part.

Apparently B.S. talks and walks in this “most transparently corrupt administration ever”.

ProfShadow on January 6, 2016 at 10:35 AM

I don’t see the problem here. Everyone knows that the proper treatment for an earache is removing the gall bladder.

Bat Chain Puller on January 6, 2016 at 8:58 AM

I am so using that and variants from now on when talking to Liberals. I just love watching their heads spin.

ProfShadow on January 6, 2016 at 10:39 AM

Did Obama really state that he’d rather have students sliced and diced with a knife than shot with a gun? Is that why we’re importing so many muslims?

Fallon on January 6, 2016 at 10:41 AM

so THAT’S why he was crying.

Guy Valkyrie on January 6, 2016 at 8:51 AM

Nah, the trolls assured us yesterday that he was crying because he had met with the families of the deceased. They just knew that he was really feeling this sorrow.

In other news, they assured us that the moon really is made of cheese and the Easter Bunny still visits their house every spring.

GWB on January 6, 2016 at 10:57 AM

Obama gun-control actions wouldn’t have stopped any mass shooting

But hey, at least it gives him some sort of deluded sense of accomplishment. Along with the other 40 gazillion new regulations from his administration since taking office.

Our liberty, freedom, even our ability to conduct business / make a living are all dying a death of a thousand cuts.

Thanks Obama!

Oxymoron on January 6, 2016 at 11:04 AM

The left doesn’t care about facts. Because Obama cried! He cares and that’s all that matters to them.

gwelf on January 6, 2016 at 8:57 AM

That’s the liberal / progressive creed. Everything they do is because they care, and that’s all that matters to them. If you don’t agree, you don’t care!

Nevermind the fact that due to shortsightedness and just plain incorrect logic, their undertakings often end up doing more harm than good through unintended consequences.

Oxymoron on January 6, 2016 at 11:10 AM

His language is slippery and dishonest

Everything about Obama is slippery and dishonest.

albill on January 6, 2016 at 11:11 AM

Typical Obama.

1) So, as I understand even if you sell 1 gun you need a dealer license? It won’t happen so those guns will go underground.

2) Considering the gun sales boon encouraged by Obama politics there are more guns circulating than if he had just done nothing.

Is there even one success by Obama? Seriously, I can’t think of one positive thing over the past 7 years in this country or the world.

Hillary is just an extension of this failure.

tej on January 6, 2016 at 11:28 AM

Administration liar Josh Earnest stated that we need to close the loopholes even if it saves only one or two lives. How about CLOSING THE BORDER to illegal aliens who annually commit thousands of murders? If CLOSING THE BORDER would save all those lives, wouldn’t it be smarter to do that, rather than close a non-existent loophole? How about enforcing existing laws, like deporting anyone caught being here illegally? How about not releasing illegal who have committed other crimes?

GAlpha10 on January 6, 2016 at 11:29 AM

We agree that Obama’s language is slippery and could be confusing to the average person

As it was intended to be.

The mendacity of this administration still surprises me, 8 years and an Obamacare later.

evergreen on January 6, 2016 at 11:40 AM

Obama gun-control actions wouldn’t have stopped any mass shooting

Of course not.
And they won’t cut down on any other kind of crime either.
But then, that’s not what this is really all about is it? (rhetorical)

dentarthurdent on January 6, 2016 at 11:44 AM

His language is slippery and dishones

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Everything about Obama is slippery and dishonest.

albill on January 6, 2016 at 11:11 AM

I’m going to go with Method 3 of 5: Use Menthol. He bring his hand to his face before he “cries.”

Fallon on January 6, 2016 at 12:50 PM

Old news.

Any thinking person already knew that The One’s presser was smoke and mirrors.

EdmundBurke247 on January 6, 2016 at 1:18 PM

Obama is the best gun salesman on the planet.

itsspideyman on January 6, 2016 at 1:20 PM

The Sandy Hook murderer obtained the guns by murdering the owner of the guns first.

MTinMN on January 6, 2016 at 1:29 PM

When you buy a gun on the Internet it has to be shipped to your local FFL who then makes you fill out form 4473.

gxbhkt on January 6, 2016 at 2:08 PM

The President’s people didn’t find the terrorist in the background checks for Boston Marathon Bombers or the San Bernadino Jihadis. Now he more background checks for guns. A diversion for his failure?

Mr President, first do your job and then ask for more power when you demonstrate that you are competent in the check you have.

And by competent, I mean results not effort.

billrowe on January 6, 2016 at 3:06 PM

So, now we have new “laws” that require some bureaucrat to decide whether we can exercise our Constitutional rights. Even worse, doctors, who may be beholden to Obamacare for their livelihood, are required to report “mentally disturbed” individuals, whose rights can be revoked without due process. The conflict of interest is astounding.

Loss of rights is a cancerous process that began here in earnest seven years ago and is increasing in size and scope. The press loves and supports it, that is, until it infects them as well. Or maybe that’s just fine and dandy. We are engaged in a battle for our souls, so those without souls are mere spectators.

What’s next? Will we be required to register to exercise other Constitutional rights? Will Christians be required to register to attend their places of worship? Can the “mentally disturbed” be barred from attending services? Are anti-abortion activists “mentally disturbed?” Given the numerous newspeak definitions replacing traditional language, it’s anyone’s guess.

In the last century, despotic dictators of the socialist persuasion used the “mentally disturbed” label to round-up, imprison and murder the opposition. No further comment.

TimeOnTarget on January 6, 2016 at 3:08 PM

Glenn Kessler found himself deluged by demands for a fact check, and responded today with a two-Pinocchio rating for this statement:

What good is a so-called fact checker who can’t see a lie in front of his face.

I give Glenn Kessler four pinocchios for claiming to be a fact-checker.

There Goes the Neighborhood on January 6, 2016 at 5:08 PM

Administration officials say his point was that electronic commerce has made it easier for prohibited people such as felons to obtain firearms (or to hide such transactions from scrutiny behind the dark Web). Put in those terms, his statement is reasonable.

This is, of course, a lie. There’s nothing reasonable about the claim that buying a gun over the internet magically makes it easier to avoid the same background check everyone else has to pass, when you still have to go personally to an FFL dealer and have a background check.

But it’s typical of the dishonest tactics used by so-called fact checkers to avoid calling the president out on his whoppers.

There Goes the Neighborhood on January 6, 2016 at 5:10 PM

Kessler does a good job of getting the facts straight, but seems a bit too gracious under the circumstances to a president who’s been demagoguing on this false premise for a very long time. Kudos for taking up the challenge, but I’d have leaned toward the four-Pinocchio result, with an extra scolding for trying to sell this with a super-sized serving of lachrymose.

If Obama had tried to defend his statement with this excuse, would you have found it plausible? Don’t call yourself a fact-checker if you’re not willing to face the facts.

There Goes the Neighborhood on January 6, 2016 at 5:13 PM

Ask a liberal:
Would you accept any of the restrictions you are demanding on the Second Amendment to be applied to Abortion?

Background Checks and Licenses that cost hundreds of dollars?
Insurance requirements.
Age Restrictions?
Lifetime limits?

barnone on January 6, 2016 at 9:40 AM

How about the most obvious: Mental health screening.

Younggod on January 6, 2016 at 5:17 PM

The part of these EAs that worries me the most involves the disqualifications. From reports, it sounds like social security is supposed to tell BATF or the FBI when someone is adjudged mentally incompetent to handle his or her own financial affairs. So far as I know, that has NEVER been a basis for making someone ineligible to own firearms, and certainly the social security administration is not an adjudicating body with the expertise or authority to determine whether someone’s mental state makes them dangerous to own guns.

That stuff will sneak through administratively. I suspect, moreover, that there’s a boatload of people whose families (and themselves) blithely went along with an administrative designation of themselves as “incompetent,” with no sense that it would have this effect.

So to me, all the stuff being reported about on this is a smokescreen. It’s the behind-the-scenes enablement of person-by-person disqualifications on bases never envisioned in the statutes that is the real threat.

FiveG on January 6, 2016 at 10:32 AM

This is said to have happened to veterans who needed help with their finances. They got the help, and the authorities came to take the veterans’ weapons away on the grounds of mental incompetence.

There has been push-back against this in the veterans world.

Kevin K. on January 6, 2016 at 5:40 PM

President Trump has vowed that on his first day in office, he will revoke this EO and every other unconstitutional EO issued by Obama. It would be even better if President Trump simply revoked ALL of Obama’s EOs with Trump Presidential EO #1, and then reissued any that actually might some merit.

Asok Asus on January 6, 2016 at 6:35 PM

AP fact check: Obama gun-control actions wouldn’t have stopped any mass shooting

The AP publishing the truth about Democrat policies?

How the heck did that happen?

RJL on January 6, 2016 at 7:22 PM

Barry has really turned out to be a despicable POS, who saw this coming?

Kat_man on January 7, 2016 at 5:53 PM