Video: Teary Obama announces empty gesture on guns

posted at 4:01 pm on January 5, 2016 by Allahpundit

Ed already dug into the meat of today’s executive action on guns in two separate posts, but when the president cries in public, I guess we’re duty bound to put up an extra thread. Whether you think the tears were calculated or earnest, the effect is the same: It gives the media a soft, sugary human-interest angle with which to emphasize that Obama really cares, which was ultimately the point of today’s policy shift. (There’s a good post that could be written about their interest in Obama’s heroic quest to defeat the right, separate and apart from the relative merits of the policies favored by each party, but Ace already wrote that post a few years ago.)

How often does People magazine cover a White House press conference to announce changes to arcane federal regulations? They did today, thanks to the waterworks. (Amy Schumer was there too!!!) The NYT’s headline for the presser runs, “Tearful Obama, Announcing Gun Control Steps, Condemns Shootings.” His emotion, not the new policy, is the key takeaway, which is a mighty fortunate thing given how little the executive order will achieve. “We are here to prevent the next mass shooting,” Obama told his audience. By … forcing small private sellers to conduct background checks before sales? That wouldn’t have stopped any of the most notorious mass shootings in the U.S. over the past few years, all of which involved checks at gun stores before the weapons were purchased.

I think the tears were equal to the moment, though, once you realize what the moment was designed to accomplish. Charles Cooke is exactly right about this:

1) In order to make his actions appear meaningful, Obama is going to have to pretend that they represent serious change. If he does that, though, he’ll permit his opponents to say, “look, we just did big gun control by executive order, we have other things to do, and we’re not doing it again.” That matters. The Left makes great hay out of the “we never do anything” line, and its more effective advocates use our present inertia to justify the need for experimentation. Insofar as there is any, Obama has slowed the momentum for further gun-control. This is not how you win the argument.

2) By taking this route, Obama will help to entrench America’s gun culture — and for little in return. Ceteris paribus, the United States will play host to at least another 20 million guns by the end of December 2016 — many of them so-called “assault weapons.” In addition, the country will welcome another million or so concealed carriers, and another half-million or so NRA members. Every time the president talks about gun control, these numbers increase, and, in consequence, the president’s opponents are strengthened.

If you’re going to take political action with backlash consequences as grave as that for your own side, you’d better be sure you’re getting something valuable in return. Passing ObamaCare in 2010 knowing that it might galvanize the right in the midterm elections was an example of high-risk, high-reward for the left. Today’s Obama gun gambit is more a case of serious-risk, zero-reward. In fact, I’d add to Cooke’s list that Obama took a progressive goody out of Hillary’s goody basket by acting now instead of holding off and letting her institute these changes as president. Remember, she proposed executive action to tighten the regs on small gun sellers on the campaign trail before Obama’s team began thinking about it in earnest. She could have used that over the next few months to impress liberals who are otherwise leery of her. Now Obama’s stolen her thunder, and for what? For a tiny extra footnote in the biographies that’ll inevitably conclude he was one of the most effective gun salesmen in American history?

There’s only one plausible explanation for today’s action, I think: Obama wanted to signal his own virtue to the left. Simple as that. Gun sales have soared during his presidency; he’s vowed action after mass shootings repeatedly, only to fail each time; the backlash to his interest in the issue has even succeeded in pushing opposition to an assault-weapons ban above 50 percent, a dubious achievement for a Democratic president. He could have used his filibuster-proof majority in 2009 to pass new gun laws if this was that important to him, as Sean Davis noted on Twitter earlier today, but instead he decided to screw around with health care. (Same goes for immigration, another subject on which he’s taken executive action.) His progressive legacy on this subject is in ruins. The only move left to him was to do what little he can to tighten the laws via regulation and hope that liberals are impressed by the depth of his commitment. That’s not to say the tears are fake, but they’re perfectly in keeping with today’s goal. Show your base how virtuous you are, even if you’ve achieved nothing. Message: I care. Imagine how impressed Chris Matthews is going to be on “Hardball” this evening. Mega-tingles.


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Jesus believed strongly in social justice. He certainly wouldn’t take the hate filled despising of the poor and sick position these fake right wing Christians take these days.

proverbs427 on January 6, 2016 at 12:59 AM

Actually, you’re wrong. Jesus said we would always have the poor with us. He never would have supported legalized theft and redistribution.

The first liberal Democrat was in fact Judas Iscariot.

John 12

1 Then Jesus six days before the passover came to Bethany, where Lazarus was, which had been dead, whom he raised from the dead.

2 There they made him a supper; and Martha served: but Lazarus was one of them that sat at the table with him.

3 Then took Mary a pound of ointment of spikenard, very costly, and anointed the feet of Jesus, and wiped his feet with her hair: and the house was filled with the odour of the ointment.

4 Then saith one of his disciples, Judas Iscariot, Simon’s son, which should betray him,

5 Why was not this ointment sold for three hundred pence, and given to the poor?

6 This he said, not that he cared for the poor; but because he was a thief, and had the bag, and bare what was put therein.

fossten on January 6, 2016 at 1:27 AM

fossten
I think it’s an interesting thought experiment in general, the politics of religious figures, but you lost me at your Judas remark. Yet again, how ridiculous.

smokey, you’ll have to explain to me sometime what you mean by your Scottsdale remark. ;-) for now, though, good night. Gotta go look for my bags.

CivilDiscourse on January 6, 2016 at 1:31 AM

He certainly wouldn’t take the hate filled despising of the poor and sick position these fake right wing Christians take these days.

proverbs427 on January 6, 2016 at 12:59 AM

Just wow. You can take your faux “Conservativism” and suck it.

You have absolutely no idea what many here are going through – have gone through.

And how dare you to pass judgement on decisions made on the best information and intentions available at the time.

You, my friend, would do well do remove the log from your own eye before casting dispersion on others.

But that’s just me …

smokeyblonde on January 6, 2016 at 1:33 AM

Crocodile tears.

Madd_Addam on January 5, 2016 at 4:04 PM

Bill Clinton did it better.

There Goes the Neighborhood on January 6, 2016 at 1:34 AM

proverbs427 on January 6, 2016 at 12:59 AM

Apologies, all, as I know better than to engage a troll.

But this is the worst possible … reminds me of the innumerable “religious” leaders who only serve to destroy hope of any Man in resurrecting himself in God’s image, regardless of actions if truly penitent.

smokeyblonde on January 6, 2016 at 1:36 AM

And my edits?

Lame attempt at humor, but loopiness sets in around midnight.

dorkintheroad on January 6, 2016 at 12:59 AM

No worries, my friend! Been there; done that! :)

smokeyblonde on January 6, 2016 at 1:43 AM

Proverbs,,,, You do you know that every Christian is hate filled???? You have no proof. I don’t assume that on anyone plus the fact most Christians I know are poor to middle-class. You are wrong about what Jesus concentrated on ,,, He preached repentance over sin and He was not interested in creating a heaven here on earth.

garydt on January 6, 2016 at 1:48 AM

What flavor was the koolaid?

IDontCair on January 5, 2016 at 5:27 PM

So you are claiming he didn’t meet with the families of the children who were massacred? It’s been documented in video. You’re making yourself look silly.

proverbs427 on January 5, 2016 at 5:48 PM

I guess nonpartisan is trying out a new sock puppet. Prov 4:27 “Turn not to the right hand, nor to the left,” presumably being interpreted as not politically right or left, but down the middle. Ruined a bit by the context of the verse, which clearly refers to not turning out of the path of righteousness rather than political fight or left. But still, extra points for using a Scripture reference to sound like an oxymoron, a Bible-believing leftist.

There Goes the Neighborhood on January 6, 2016 at 1:58 AM

Oh my goodness but this chica needs to hit the sheets!

But on my way out: All Right I Said

smokeyblonde on January 6, 2016 at 1:59 AM

Well you gotta understand… Rightwing wackos believe you can only care about fetuses or children but not both. Once you get out of the womb, a little 1st grader means nothing to them. So any display of emotion for a fetus that has turned into a child is weird to them and repulsive. That explains this entire thread of clowns. They’re not so much displays of real Americans, but rather echo chambers of their wacko ideologies.

proverbs427 on January 5, 2016 at 6:38 PM

Pardon, your nonpartisan mask is slipping. Looks like you’re not “neither right nor left” after all.

The attempt is kinda boring, to be honest.

There Goes the Neighborhood on January 6, 2016 at 2:08 AM

Awww…. the poor little bolshevik got his fee-fees hurt? lolz!

YahwehPundit on January 6, 2016 at 2:53 AM

So Boehner’s tears are bad, O’s tears are good???
Beam me up.

Lee Jan on January 6, 2016 at 3:10 AM

Boo freaking hoo.

jbspry on January 6, 2016 at 3:46 AM

Video: Teary Obama announces empty gesture on guns

OMG, what pathetically special snowflake obama is.
Own it trolls… the dude is the poster child for pathetic weakness.

I wonder if he cries like that when mooch b1tch slaps him?

But hey, whatever… make all the pointless ‘gun control’ EOs you want. I already have my LEGALLY purchased firearms.

Hey, here’s an idea, how bout making an EO to go after all the ILLEGAL guns in the hands of urban Oakland, Chicago, DC, Detroit, etc. for starters? Na, much easier to harass the law abiding citizen, right?

Voodoo Chile on January 6, 2016 at 3:46 AM

Gotta go look for my bags.

Check under your eyes, you have spent the better part of 8 hours glued to a computer trolling this thread.

F X Muldoon on January 6, 2016 at 6:10 AM

Obama Tears Up Recalling Victims of Mass Shooting

Maybe Obama deserved the Nobel Peace Prize after all?

LOL

Just kidding.

Dr. ZhivBlago on January 6, 2016 at 6:11 AM

Marc Thiessen: Where were the tears over the terrorist attacks?

Obama’s tears are about as believable as Hillary’s. If the tears were authentic, why haven’t we seen this concern during the last seven years?

Andrea Tantaros: ‘I’d check that podium for a raw onion.

Me too.

petefrt on January 6, 2016 at 6:25 AM

Where were all those tears when people were being beheaded and Americans were being killed at Benghazi or when our brave soldiers were killed just yesterday? This jerk is as phony as a $3 bill and his crocodile tears are disgusting.

rplat on January 6, 2016 at 6:47 AM

Wow, that was one heck of a thread-jacking.

Trollcott.

CurtZHP on January 6, 2016 at 7:11 AM

Funerally redux.

Lee Jan on January 6, 2016 at 7:39 AM

proverbs427 on January 6, 2016 at 12:59 AM

Ha! When it comes to the right and the left I’d say Ecclesiastes 10:2 is the verse that nails it:

Ecclesiastes 10:2 (ESV)
“A wise man’s heart inclines him to the right, but a fool’s heart to the left.”

tommyboy on January 6, 2016 at 7:53 AM

Wow, that was one heck of a thread-jacking.

Trollcott.

CurtZHP on January 6, 2016 at 7:11 AM

Yeah – CivilDiscourse is totally and purposefully focused on derailing any on topic discussion.

Which I can usually forgive in a troll but CivilDiscourse doesn’t actually engage in any back and forth and is boring and takes the commenting in a very boring direction. CivilDiscourse may drive up the comment count but yet again we have another thread becoming the same boring gruel of “lets talk about nothing and how we discuss things” instead of real conversation

gwelf on January 6, 2016 at 8:55 AM

gwelf on January 6, 2016 at 8:55 AM

Seriously. He craps on the rug and then blames you for the smell.

It’s that other idiot too. The one who materialized out of thin air just yesterday, sounding like one of the trolls that got the hammer a while back.

CurtZHP on January 6, 2016 at 8:59 AM

Yes where are the tears and sobs about the Christians being burned alive in caskets? Remember when obama golfed right after he was notified about can’t think of his name but an American was beheaded. Where was his tears when that lady was beheaded in Oklahoma? When you cry you should be consistent at least.

garydt on January 6, 2016 at 9:10 AM

Jesus believed strongly in social justice. He certainly wouldn’t take the hate filled despising of the poor and sick position these fake right wing Christians take these days.

proverbs427 on January 6, 2016 at 12:59 AM

Please present your exegesis for your conclusion.

Ricard on January 6, 2016 at 9:13 AM

garydt on January 6, 2016 at 9:10 AM

Which one of those recent cases of “workplace violence” did he refer to as a “setback?” San Bernadino?

CurtZHP on January 6, 2016 at 9:14 AM

This kind of display didn’t work out too well for Ed Muskie…

Ricard on January 6, 2016 at 9:16 AM

oaf

Schadenfreude on January 6, 2016 at 1:20 AM

proverbs427 on January 6, 2016 at 9:24 AM

Curt the ‘setback” remark was made after the Paris terrorist attack in December.

garydt on January 6, 2016 at 9:34 AM

Actually, you’re wrong. Jesus said we would always have the poor with us. He never would have supported legalized theft and redistribution.

fossten on January 6, 2016 at 1:27 AM

Nice strawman you built there. No one supports legalized theft and redistribution. Well actually since all the wealth seems to continue being redistributed from the poor and middle class to the wealthy and the wealthy have stolen fair wages ever since slavery times then I guess so. God would not approve of it. I’m sure you’re a good little slave to your current masters though. The establishment is proud of you.

proverbs427 on January 6, 2016 at 9:34 AM

Quit feeding the fa**ot-faced trolls.

M240H on January 6, 2016 at 9:46 AM

proverbs427 on January 6, 2016 at 9:34 AM

After a bit of a kip, proverbs is back for more unlawful knowledge of barnyard fowl and poor trollery.

F X Muldoon on January 6, 2016 at 9:47 AM

Proverbs there is not enough rich people here to finance you social plans even if you took every last dollar from them. You could probably do a lot the first year but then you would have nothing after that. Jesus was more concerned with sin and your eternal soul. You still have not given proof that all the Christians hate the poor and want to bomb civilian targets. Where does that come from?

garydt on January 6, 2016 at 9:48 AM

Quit feeding the fa**ot-faced trolls.

M240H on January 6, 2016 at 9:46 AM

Seriously. They’re not here for a rational discussion. They’re just here to stink up the place.

They’re emotionally stunted, immature, and probably mentally unstable. There can be no other rational explanation for what they do. No sane person would even do it for money.

CurtZHP on January 6, 2016 at 9:49 AM

Weak trolls recycling the same tripe…step up your game or go back to the kiddie table, posers.

fortcoins on January 6, 2016 at 10:30 AM

There isn’t a single verse in the scriptures with guidance on fetuses and whether or not a fetus is a separate human being or if it has a soul. Neither does it say so for eggs or sperm. There is nothing clear on abortion and no scripture about conception being the point either.

However it’s very clear on the killing of innocent human beings collateral damage you neocons support in your bloodthirsty lust for war and death.

proverbs427 on January 5, 2016 at 8:30 PM

Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, before you were born I set you apart; I appointed you as a prophet to the nations.

Jeremiah 1:5

Naked I came from my mother’s womb, and naked I will depart.

Job 1:21

Axe on January 5, 2016 at 9:08 PM

I’d say those texts pretty much prove the point, among so many others. But I have to add Luke 1:41-44, about John the Baptist:

And it came to pass, that, when Elisabeth heard the salutation of Mary, the babe leaped in her womb; and Elisabeth was filled with the Holy Ghost: And she spake out with a loud voice, and said, Blessed art thou among women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb. And whence is this to me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me? For, lo, as soon as the voice of thy salutation sounded in mine ears, the babe leaped in my womb for joy.

“Leaped in the womb” would seem to imply life. And we ought to throw in a slightly less warm and fuzzy example from Genesis 25:21-23:

And Isaac intreated the LORD for his wife, because she was barren: and the LORD was intreated of him, and Rebekah his wife conceived. And the children struggled together within her; and she said, If it be so, why am I thus? And she went to enquire of the LORD. And the LORD said unto her, Two nations are in thy womb, and two manner of people shall be separated from thy bowels; and the one people shall be stronger than the other people; and the elder shall serve the younger.

The children struggling within her were still unborn, and struggling within her womb. They already didn’t get along. That would be Esau and Jacob, for the Biblically illiterate. Which probably includes proverbs427, if he/she/it really believes “There isn’t a single verse in the scriptures with guidance on fetuses and whether or not a fetus is a separate human being or if it has a soul.”

And this is a reminder why the pose of a leftist as a sincere Christian motivated by his faith never lasts long. Their motivation has nothing to do with Christian beliefs, which they never really even understand. Once they start making claims about what Jesus taught or what the Bible says they start looking foolish.

And this is hardly surprising. They’ve already chosen another religion, and no man can serve two masters.

Jesus said that, by the way. In case you didn’t recognize it.

There Goes the Neighborhood on January 6, 2016 at 10:43 AM

Well actually since all the wealth seems to continue being redistributed from the poor and middle class to the wealthy and the wealthy have stolen fair wages ever since slavery times then I guess so. God would not approve of it. I’m sure you’re a good little slave to your current masters though. The establishment is proud of you.

proverbs427 on January 6, 2016 at 9:34 AM

My, my, with such social justice needed, there must be so many Communist examples of success. So show a nation the size of the United States that it has worked?

itsspideyman on January 6, 2016 at 11:19 AM

blink on January 6, 2016 at 11:10 AM

Leave it be, blink, this latest cheapjack troll can’t even decide if it is going to play as a leftist wackadoodle, or a fake right winger.

F X Muldoon on January 6, 2016 at 11:19 AM

As a cop once told me….if you have real tears….you have real snot ! No snot = no real tears.

Didn’t once see “O” reach for his handkerchief to blow his nose. NOT impressed with his faux show of ‘deep emotion’…..crocodile tears are easy !

He rubbed his eyes BEFORE the tears…..want to bet he had something astringent on those fingers when he rubbed his eyes !

The man is a walking, talking Potemkin Village……..

bls46 on January 6, 2016 at 11:31 AM

CWforFreedom on January 5, 2016 at 10:17 PM

You are a pathetic Anti-Christ little fraud. You support murdering 12 year old children as they play in the park. You support bombing hospitals and innocent human beings collateral damage. You support war, death, and murder. You hate the poor and the sick. Jesus will tell you depart from me I never knew you.

proverbs427 on January 5, 2016 at 10:44 PM

That sincere Christian neither-right-nor-left mask didn’t just slip. It’s been flung aside.

It’s inevitable, though. People like this try to put on a pose about how their Christian faith leads them to push for extended welfare, higher minimum wages, “a woman’s right to choose,” and so on. But none of that was derived from Christian principles, so it’s just a pose. Eventually, the mask slips, and the progressive face in all its anti-Christian “glory” is revealed.

But at least you can have some fun starting to poke holes in the mask as they try to wrestle unfamiliar scriptures to support an anti-Christian and statist agenda. The collapse is generally inevitable.

There Goes the Neighborhood on January 6, 2016 at 11:33 AM

Paul Ryan was just on Fox, clean shaven and talking the conservative talk like he was born again. He claims he was always this conservative Paul Ryan and not ever the bad Paul Ryan that stared out at us with scorn as he pushed the Obamnibus Bill through.

claudius on January 5, 2016 at 10:49 PM

A politician being insincere? Never! I’m reliably informed people only say that kind of thing because they hate Obama.

There Goes the Neighborhood on January 6, 2016 at 11:40 AM

Pardon, your nonpartisan mask is slipping. Looks like you’re not “neither right nor left” after all.

The attempt is kinda boring, to be honest.

There Goes the Neighborhood on January 6, 2016 at 2:08 AM

Hey… don’t link me up with the pretend bible believer proverbs427!

This proverbs427 character is literally without reason. His statements are inventions of man, not the word of G-d.

Neitherleftorright on January 6, 2016 at 11:51 AM

There Goes the Neighborhood on January 6, 2016 at 10:43 AM

And don’t forget Psalm 139

Psalm 139:13-16
For You formed my inward parts;
You covered me in my mother’s womb.

I will praise You, for I am fearfully and wonderfully made;
Marvelous are Your works,
And that my soul knows very well.

My frame was not hidden from You,
When I was made in secret,
And skillfully wrought in the lowest parts of the earth.

Your eyes saw my substance, being yet unformed.
And in Your book they all were written,
The days fashioned for me,
When as yet there were none of them.
NKJV

Neitherleftorright on January 6, 2016 at 12:07 PM

You support murdering 12 year old children as they play in the park. You support bombing hospitals and innocent human beings collateral damage. You support war, death, and murder. You hate the poor and the sick.

proverbs427 on January 5, 2016 at 10:44 PM

Bearing false witness (Exodus 20:16).

Check.

Ricard on January 6, 2016 at 12:18 PM

Pardon, your nonpartisan mask is slipping. Looks like you’re not “neither right nor left” after all.

The attempt is kinda boring, to be honest.

There Goes the Neighborhood on January 6, 2016 at 2:08 AM

Hey… don’t link me up with the pretend bible believer proverbs427!

This proverbs427 character is literally without reason. His statements are inventions of man, not the word of G-d.

Neitherleftorright on January 6, 2016 at 11:51 AM

I regret any implied link. It’s just a pose for the troll, anyway.

There Goes the Neighborhood on January 6, 2016 at 12:29 PM

I regret any implied link. It’s just a pose for the troll, anyway.

There Goes the Neighborhood on January 6, 2016 at 12:29 PM

Thank you.

A weird little troll.

Most likely a graduate of Christian College, which most have become bastions of leftist social justice dogma just like their secular counterparts.

Neitherleftorright on January 6, 2016 at 12:35 PM

And what does civildiscourse do?

1. He whines about commenters whining! Hypocrisy #1.

2. He claims that we’re biased about Obama to make an objective comment. Hypocrisy #2.

3. He claims that we’re victims of confirmation bias. Hypocrisy #3.

4. He claims were inhuman for not caring about victims. Hypocrisy #4.

He simply repeated these failed arguments over and over again.

blink on January 6, 2016 at 11:42 AM

Jazz should have left CD banned. CD is only here to disrupt.

Voodoo Chile on January 6, 2016 at 12:36 PM

Jazz should have left CD banned. CD is only here to disrupt.

Voodoo Chile on January 6, 2016 at 12:36 PM

His nickname should be civildiscord, because that is all he sows.

Neitherleftorright on January 6, 2016 at 12:39 PM

They aren’t Empty Gestures.

They are a perfect example of “Progressivism” in action.
Seemingly small meaningless actions that build up toward the final goal of taking away freedoms and substituting government control.
Actions that are difficult to fight because they seem so insignificant.

glsmith36 on January 6, 2016 at 12:41 PM

They aren’t Empty Gestures.

They are a perfect example of “Progressivism” in action.
Seemingly small meaningless actions that build up toward the final goal of taking away freedoms and substituting government control.
Actions that are difficult to fight because they seem so insignificant.

glsmith36 on January 6, 2016 at 12:41 PM

Yes, exactly like was done with same-sex marriage.

Neitherleftorright on January 6, 2016 at 12:47 PM

And what does civildiscourse do?

1. He whines about commenters whining! Hypocrisy #1.

2. He claims that we’re biased about Obama to make an objective comment. Hypocrisy #2.

3. He claims that we’re victims of confirmation bias. Hypocrisy #3.

4. He claims were inhuman for not caring about victims. Hypocrisy #4.

He simply repeated these failed arguments over and over again.

blink on January 6, 2016 at 11:42 AM

Jazz should have left CD banned. CD is only here to disrupt.

Voodoo Chile on January 6, 2016 at 12:36 PM

CD’s only goal is to call all other commenters names. Any thread where he pops up, that’s the focus of his comments. He single-handedly makes most threads tiresome to read, because almost none of his comments are about anything else but how bad every Hot Air commenter is.

There Goes the Neighborhood on January 6, 2016 at 12:50 PM

^ Demonstrably wrong, just like each point of blinkered’ little 4-point fantasy. What else you got? I suppose an actual contribution to the topic is too much to ask.

CivilDiscourse on January 6, 2016 at 1:02 PM

^ Or is it only OT when someone else comments?

CivilDiscourse on January 6, 2016 at 1:05 PM

^ Demonstrably wrong, just like each point of blinkered’ little 4-point fantasy. What else you got? I suppose an actual contribution to the topic is too much to ask.

CivilDiscourse on January 6, 2016 at 1:02 PM

You’re contributing?

A first.

itsspideyman on January 6, 2016 at 1:13 PM

I suppose an actual contribution to the topic is too much to ask.

CivilDiscourse on January 6, 2016 at 1:02 PM

You mean like how you failed to address this?

Civildiscord, that describes you and your leader Obama.

You know, I know, everyone on this blog knows that this has never been part of Obama’s demeanor. Didn’t cry when it happened but moved to tears out of the blue four yeas later?

Neitherleftorright on January 5, 2016 at 7:06 PM

Explain the sudden need for tears 4 years hence.

Neitherleftorright on January 6, 2016 at 1:17 PM

Neitherleftorright

As someone else mentioned, the President met personally with each of the families involved after the shooting. At the time, it was not reported and went totally under the radar until it was made known by a staffer recently. He spent significant one-on-one time with each family whose children were killed. Of course we don’t know what the interactions were like, nor what emotions were displayed, though one could guess that they would be emotional meetings.

Reasonable so far?

Fast-forward to yesterday, and the President finally took an action that he put squarely in the context of those children/families, and got choked up when he did it. Is that not reasonable? Why is it so hard to believe? Note that this has been the entire focus of my comments, save fending off the troll-baiting—I’m neither defending nor supporting his action on gun sale regulation, even.

I’m simply addressing the ODS-meme that’s taken hold of so many conservatives, apparently, that the President can’t become emotional about an emotional topic without it being some nefarious plot.

CivilDiscourse on January 6, 2016 at 1:39 PM

I’m simply addressing the ODS-meme that’s taken hold of so many conservatives, apparently, that the President can’t become emotional about an emotional topic without it being some nefarious plot.

CivilDiscourse on January 6, 2016 at 1:39 PM

Sorry, but you have the advantage on me, what is ODS?

Neitherleftorright on January 6, 2016 at 1:55 PM

Obama derangement syndrome, similar to BDS for Bush or TDS for Trump. The inability to attribute the political opposition with anything other than the most nefarious motives. Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. Clinton reference, ba-dum-bump.

CivilDiscourse on January 6, 2016 at 2:02 PM

As someone else mentioned, the President met personally with each of the families involved after the shooting. At the time, it was not reported and went totally under the radar until it was made known by a staffer recently. He spent significant one-on-one time with each family whose children were killed. Of course we don’t know what the interactions were like, nor what emotions were displayed, though one could guess that they would be emotional meetings.

Reasonable so far?

Fast-forward to yesterday, and the President finally took an action that he put squarely in the context of those children/families, and got choked up when he did it. Is that not reasonable? Why is it so hard to believe? Note that this has been the entire focus of my comments, save fending off the troll-baiting—I’m neither defending nor supporting his action on gun sale regulation, even.

CivilDiscourse on January 6, 2016 at 1:39 PM

For you, it appears to be reasonable because, you are a champion of his. It appears you buy into his view of America and how he believes it needs to be restructured. But for those of us who have studied who he is, where he came from and how he arrived at his positions, we see his cynical exploitation of a tragic situation to further his agenda. That is not reasonable.

He is, like all leftist demagogues, a hypocrite. A person that expects everyone to live a certain way, but not himself. A person who sees others a certain way, but not himself.

That is why it is unreasonable.

Neitherleftorright on January 6, 2016 at 2:14 PM

It appears you buy into his view of America and how he believes it needs to be restructured

Now, that’s not even remotely anywhere in my point, is it? In fact, I expressly said I’m not defending his action. *Sigh.*

CivilDiscourse on January 6, 2016 at 2:17 PM

blinkered
Blah, blah, ALL CAPS, blah.

CivilDiscourse on January 6, 2016 at 2:19 PM

Admit that Obama would NOT being crying about this incident if these same children had been killed by an islamic terrorist that entered the country illegally.
blink on January 6, 2016 at 2:20 PM

How absurd. What color is the sky in your world?

CivilDiscourse on January 6, 2016 at 2:21 PM

blinkered
“Would…would…would.” It’s clear that you think your ODS-laden conditional statements pass for valid points or rational thoughts. Sorry for your confusion.

CivilDiscourse on January 6, 2016 at 2:33 PM

BTW, as evidenced from the latest Trump statement article posted, Trump agrees with me on this point. Still waiting for the Trump supporters on this thread to acknowledge this fact in 3…2…1…

CivilDiscourse on January 6, 2016 at 2:47 PM

So, is Trump an Obama-worshipper? Is he a troll?
blinkered, this is why you’re absurd.

CivilDiscourse on January 6, 2016 at 2:51 PM

Ahhh look, Chris Crocker is back defending Dear Lover.

HumpBot Salvation on January 6, 2016 at 2:53 PM

What color is the sky?

blink on January 6, 2016 at 2:52 PM

Why blink, it’s blue just like Dear Leaders beautiful tears!

SybilDiscourse on January 6, 2016 at 2:54 PM

HumpBot Salvation on January 6, 2016 at 2:55 PM

Now, that’s not even remotely anywhere in my point, is it? In fact, I expressly said I’m not defending his action. *Sigh.*

CivilDiscourse on January 6, 2016 at 2:17 PM

You are either being obtuse of obfuscating. Clearly, I was not referring to “I’m neither defending nor supporting his action on gun sale regulation, even.” rather, I was referring to his crying being nothing more than a prop to push his agenda. You are an Obama voter and defender, no need to lie to us.

I realize like most leftists, you believe yourself to be intellectually superior, but your lack of reason betrays you.

Neitherleftorright on January 6, 2016 at 2:56 PM

CivilDiscourse on January 6, 2016 at 2:47 PM

Trump can be as wrong as you are. Speaking of wrong, have you ever considered that spending over 9 hours of your life on this one topic might indicate there might be something wrong with the circuitry in your squash ?

F X Muldoon on January 6, 2016 at 2:56 PM

I have been a contributor to this website since the very early days. Lately have only been lurking and not commenting but I just had to say….you know how you can’t get blood out of a turnip? You can’t get tears out of a heart of stone with no soul. All I have to say about Mr. Obama crying is give me a break. Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha…..how does this jerk even look at himself in the mirror? Oh wait, I forgot, vampires can’t see a reflection in a mirror. Obama is the epitome of a vampire sucking the blood out of our country, our children and our futures. Where is a silver cross and stake when you need them?

mrsmwp on January 6, 2016 at 10:39 PM

886. C’mon people, only 114 to go. :P

S. D. on January 6, 2016 at 11:48 PM

S. D.
Only 114? That’s easy. Need help, or some pointers?

CivilDiscourse on January 7, 2016 at 1:04 AM

BTW, F X Muldoon—have you met some of your fellow commenters on HA? I was stuck in an airport or plan for about 8 of those hours. What do you think their excuse is, not that anyone needs to explain themselves to you.

CivilDiscourse on January 7, 2016 at 1:06 AM

I was stuck in an airport or plan for about 8 of those hours.

Sure you were, you have more excuses than Carter has liver pills.

F X Muldoon on January 7, 2016 at 8:36 AM

President Obama has to go to see former President Clinton to learn how to turn on and off the waterworks for the media.

MSGTAS on January 7, 2016 at 9:02 AM

F X Muldoon—oh? Now it’s hard to believe that a person travels around the holidays? As for excuses—please, do tell, what is any one other excuse I’ve given to you, or to anyone on this site for anything, at any time. Should be pretty easy to come up with, right? Since they’re as prevalent as Carter’s liver pills? How silly you are.

CivilDiscourse on January 7, 2016 at 4:28 PM

…do tell, what is any one other excuse I’ve given to you, or to anyone on this site for anything, at any time.

Gee, lets see, how about that whole thing about your being sent to Coventry ?

F X Muldoon on January 7, 2016 at 4:55 PM