In an attempt to curb suicides, Barack Obama essentially regulates Christmas

posted at 2:41 pm on January 5, 2016 by Jazz Shaw

Now that I’ve completely confused everyone with that title, allow me to explain. (You may want to grab a drink and a comfortable chair for this one.)

If you either watched or heard about President Barack Obama’s tearful speech today, in which he talked about his new executive actions on gun control, you may well have had a number of questions when it was over. I know I certainly did. But for the moment, I’d like to focus on one particular aspect of his discussion. For one of the first times in recent memory we heard a leading Democrat mention the fact that their usual talking points about “more than 30,000 deaths due to gun violence per year” includes a significant majority which are actually suicides, not murders or accidents. Allow me to applaud the President for finally being honest about this, since normally the figure is tossed out there with no context shortly before Hillary Clinton or some other Democrat goes into a pitch for more gun control as if the entire figure were comprised of mass shootings by angry white men.

But in order to tackle this question we’ll need to immediately pivot to another serious threat to the lives of Americans which I’m sure the President will want to address this year: fires in homes and other structures. (Stick with me here…) Each year in the United States, an average of more than 20,500 people are killed or seriously injured in fires, not to mention billions of dollars in property losses. The death toll from these conflagrations actually approaches the number of murders in the country during some years and clearly something needs to be done, as I’m sure the President will agree. Thankfully, we have a lot of good data on how these fires happen and there are barely half a dozen contributing factors which account for almost all of them. According to the National Fire Protection Association these include an average of:

  • 47,700 fires started by electrical malfunctions
  • 22,600 fires caused by lightning strikes
  • 17,600 fires started by smoking
  • 16,800 fires started by dryers and washing machines
  • 10,630 fires started by candles
  • 7,100 fires caused by children playing with matches or other flame sources

Oh, and there are also an average of 230 fires caused each year by Christmas trees.

Today, the President opened the door to the suicide question and then immediately explained that he would deal with it in the same way he would stamp out deaths in fires by outlawing Christmas trees.

It’s true that we have a tragic number of people committing suicide every year. In fact, suicide is the 8th leading cause of death in America and more than 500,000 people attempt it annually. Of that half million, a fair amount of the roughly 38,000 successful suicides (about 50%) were done with guns. But that’s mostly among men. The method of choice among the majority of women was poison. Many others took different paths including hanging, asphyxiation, jumping off tall buildings or other methods. Still, guns represent a relatively tiny fraction of the total number of attempts.

Even if you could somehow keep guns out of the hands of the suicidal (and please do explain how we manage that) they have other avenues available. Do you really think they won’t explore them? But more to the point, if you’re really, honestly interested in cutting down on the number of suicides, wouldn’t you look into identifying those at risk, finding out why they want to kill themselves and get them some help? The reality is that the availability of guns has little or nothing to do with this.

But let’s just say for a moment that we’re all living in whatever Bizzaro World the President is operating from and people who were unable to obtain a gun wouldn’t kill themselves at all. How are expanded background checks going to cut down on this number? Will you include a check box on the permit application which says, “Are you thinking about killing yourself?” (Check Yes or No.) One can only imagine the number of depressed, suicidal individuals who will loudly exclaim, “Drats!” and leave the gun shop.

Playing off the national crisis of suicide as an excuse to enact more gun control through executive action isn’t just ineffective. It’s dishonest and it plays politics with the lives of real families in crisis to advance a Democrat agenda. If the President wants to put more resources into helping the depressed, the mentally unstable and the terminally ill who may be looking to end their suffering, that’s great. I’ll be behind him 100% on that idea. But this insulting shell game isn’t helping anyone.

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Each year in the United States, an average of more than 20,500 people are killed or seriously injured in fires, not to mention billions of dollars in property losses.

We should ban fire immediately. In the mean time, anybody using fire needs to register their fire.

Oil Can on January 5, 2016 at 2:46 PM

16,800 fires started by dryers and washing machines

We need to band those too, along with ATM machines.

Oil Can on January 5, 2016 at 2:48 PM

If you either watched or heard about President Barack Obama’s tearful speech today…

… then you are less intelligent than you were last night…

JohnGalt23 on January 5, 2016 at 2:50 PM

So does this mean I can’t bum a light?

WryTrvllr on January 5, 2016 at 2:50 PM

In the mean time, anybody using fire needs to register their fire.

Oil Can on January 5, 2016 at 2:46 PM

Your too late…that’s already being done…

PatriotRider on January 5, 2016 at 2:55 PM

Maybe there’s a suicide candidate with OCD that just cannot mark the wrong box? It could be.

Mu on January 5, 2016 at 2:56 PM

We should ban fire immediately. In the mean time, anybody using fire needs to register their fire.

Oil Can on January 5, 2016 at 2:46 PM

Cans! More cans! He hates Cans! Get away from the cans!

Ban cans now!

What?

Never mind.

Neitherleftorright on January 5, 2016 at 2:57 PM

So does this mean I can’t bum a light?

WryTrvllr on January 5, 2016 at 2:50 PM

No, you may use flameless LED tealight candles from China, but any other sort of open flame (because lets face it, America… SMOKERS use flames) is prohibited.

Maybe we can’t solve all/any previous flame violence, but we shouldn’t allow that to keep us from doing our utmost going forward.

Dolce Far Niente on January 5, 2016 at 3:00 PM

22,600 fires caused by lightning strikes

Why doesn’t Dear Liar outlaw lightning?

Will you include a check box on the permit application which says, “Are you thinking about killing yourself?” (Check Yes or No.) One can only imagine the number of depressed, suicidal individuals who will loudly exclaim, “Drats!” and leave the gun shop.

Had a friend who bought a shotgun and offed himself a few years back. If only Dear Liar had implemented this back then.

rbj on January 5, 2016 at 3:01 PM

Cans! More cans! He hates Cans! Get away from the cans!

Ban cans now!

What?

Never mind.

Neitherleftorright on January 5, 2016 at 2:57 PM

Steve Martin and his thermos approve.

Immolate on January 5, 2016 at 3:08 PM

If someone genuinely wants to commit suicide they’re going to find a way to do it. Guns offer a quick and painless way to accomplish the deed unless the attempt is botched. If a person wants to hurry their way to oblivion it’s their life so let them chose the method. Gun control based on preventing suicides is a bullsh*t excuse.

Dan333 on January 5, 2016 at 3:10 PM

If you like your fire, you can keep your fire.
Unless we change our minds.

Because Holy Mother Government Knows Best(TM).

orangemtl on January 5, 2016 at 3:12 PM

22,600 fires caused by lightning strikes

Why doesn’t Dear Liar outlaw lightning?

Don’t give him any ideas. Martin O’Malley already made rain a taxable event in Baltimore.

BKennedy on January 5, 2016 at 3:12 PM

16,800 fires started by dryers and washing machines

Obviously we need common sense laws regarding the safety of washers and dryers.

I suggest registration and mandatory background checks to ensure people know how to safely operate their appliances. Also a photo ID and a 7 day waiting period should be required to ensure that the person(s) have not previously had an unreported dryer fire. Oh and child locks to prevent children from operating this dangerous equipment should be mandatory on all appliances immediately! And finally, no more high capacity dryers as they cause the most fires when left unattended. That is all.

If it saves only one life…..

Johnnyreb on January 5, 2016 at 3:14 PM

Why doesn’t Dear Liar outlaw lightning?

rbj on January 5, 2016 at 3:01 PM

Because lightning is racist. It’s always white.

Oil Can on January 5, 2016 at 3:14 PM

Ready,aim,FIRE.

docflash on January 5, 2016 at 3:24 PM

Just like the dims, we need regulations to prevent someone from ending their own life, but if someone wants to end the life of the unborn we can’t dare regulate that.

agmartin on January 5, 2016 at 3:24 PM

Why doesn’t Dear Liar outlaw lightning?

rbj on January 5, 2016 at 3:01 PM

Because lightning is racist. It’s always white.

Oil Can on January 5, 2016 at 3:14 PM

So that’s why Moonshine is illegal.

RickB on January 5, 2016 at 3:24 PM


Montage: In 33-Minute Speech on Guns, Obama Refers to Himself 76 Times

‘Every time I think about those kids … it gets me mad’

Everything Obama does is focused on himself. It always has been.

This is a president who had historians in the oval office within three days of his inauguration to map out his plans for his legacy.

His disastrous ‘deal’ with Iran, even more disastrous Trans-Pacific Partnership trade ‘deal’, nurturing grievance, strife, and enmity between the Americans, Obamacare, the systematic destabilization of the Middle East, eradication of democracy in the region, and constant support of the Muslim Brotherhood, his support for open borders and rampant, unbridled, unvetted, illegal migration into this nation and the obliteration of internal enforcement mechanisms, increasing legal immigration to unsustainable and untenable levels, the systematic destruction of the American middle class, and betrayal of our allies in Europe and the UK, have all been about Obama’s grand vision of his own legacy .

thatsafactjack on January 5, 2016 at 3:26 PM

Great article/blog, Jazz…

OmahaConservative on January 5, 2016 at 3:26 PM

Are you thinking about killing yourself

In Canada the application process for a new or renewed Possession and Acquisition License actually has a similarly worded question:

16. d) During the past five (5) years, have you threatened or attempted suicide, or have you suffered from or been diagnosed or treated by
a medical practitioner for: depression; alcohol, drug or substance abuse;behavioural problems; or emotional problems?

On page 2 of 4 of the application form at http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/form-formulaire/pdfs/5592-eng.pdf

While a license is de facto registration and probable tracking, I can go to Cabela’s right now and pick up a new rifle and be back home with it before dinner — no waiting period.

Lickmuffin on January 5, 2016 at 3:27 PM

We should ban fire immediately. In the mean time, anybody using fire needs to register their fire.

Oil Can on January 5, 2016 at 2:46 PM

Don’t limit us to just fire. Ban anything that can produce a temperature high enough to cause injury or damage of any sort. Think about what that ban would encompass.

Such a ban could unite the gun grabbers and the global warmists in a brotherhood so strong it couldn’t be defeated. Wait…if such a ban was enacted…we’d never know what the outcome would be because we wouldn’t have electricity. Wait……UTOPIA!

BobMbx on January 5, 2016 at 3:34 PM

47,700 fires started by electrical malfunctions

22,600 fires caused by lightning strikes

17,600 fires started by smoking

16,800 fires started by dryers and washing machines

10,630 fires started by candles

7,100 fires caused by children playing with matches or other flame sources

Oh, and there are also an average of 230 fires caused each year by Christmas trees.

I loathe Obama as much as anyone. But the first two members of this category don’t seem at all analogous to using a gun. Obama and the Left are trying to argue that gun ownership is a voluntary act that Americans need not engage in. In modern society, who’s going to argue that electricity is something we don’t need? And lightening is just an act of God. Fires caused the smoking, use of appliances, use of candles, misuse of matches, and Christmas trees seem to fit the analogy. And how many deaths are caused by those? Again, the first two members of the category don’t fit.

But more to the point, if you’re really, honestly interested in cutting down on the number of suicides, wouldn’t you look into identifying those at risk, finding out why they want to kill themselves and get them some help?

Do we really want the government interjecting itself into this determination? I’m open to discussion and debate about ways family or friends can interject themselves into a family member’s or friend’s life when they suspect mental illness. But if the government is leading the way in what may amount to as railroad commitments, we’re in trouble.

BuckeyeSam on January 5, 2016 at 3:44 PM

By all these machinations, Bubble Boy is just preparing for his questionnaire asking the country if it is contemplating national suicide. His response will be, “I’m just here to help.”

vnvet on January 5, 2016 at 3:52 PM

In the mean time, anybody using fire needs to register their fire.

Oil Can on January 5, 2016 at 2:46 PM

They also need to undergo a background check before being allowed to have a fire.

Make sure to give the government 2 weeks’ notice before cooking dinner!

malclave on January 5, 2016 at 4:11 PM

In the mean time, anybody using fire needs to register their fire.

Oil Can on January 5, 2016 at 2:46 PM

Fire is an anachronism. There are more modern ways to heat your food!

/troll

CurtZHP on January 5, 2016 at 4:30 PM

Cans! More cans! He hates Cans! Get away from the cans!

Ban cans now!

What?

Never mind.

Neitherleftorright on January 5, 2016 at 2:57 PM

Jerk

bbordwell on January 5, 2016 at 4:35 PM

So does this mean I can’t bum a light?

WryTrvllr on January 5, 2016 at 2:50 PM

No..it means you can’t burn a bum.

*without a permit*

Mimzey on January 5, 2016 at 4:43 PM

I’ve read somewhere that abortions take a life here & there as well.

Oxymoron on January 5, 2016 at 4:44 PM

No democrat will ban fire. Without it Slick Willy will have no way to light his cigars…

Skip2014 on January 5, 2016 at 5:33 PM

It kills me how you guys love to point out the numbers of things that occur more than gun violence as a reason to not over react when it comes to guns yet 2 terrorist shoot up a center in CA and you all are ready to burn the constitution, ban muslims, prohibit Islam and bomb the entire middle east. The hypocrisy cracks me up!!!

Politricks on January 5, 2016 at 6:03 PM

If you either watched or heard about President Barack Obama’s tearful speech today…

Funny that he didn’t mention his own illegal operation Fast & Furious where he, Eric Holder and the ATF illegally sent thousands of “assault weapons” to Mexican drug cartels without asking or informing the Mexican government.

It has reported that whose assault weapons have been “invovled” in the the deaths of at least 300 Mexican nationals and 2 American law enforcement officers. Note too, that information is probably a couple years old, the current death count could be several hundred more lives lost.

With the illegal operation Fast & Furious deaths it could be argued that Obama is the biggest mass murderer in America today.

RJL on January 5, 2016 at 6:14 PM

For one of the first times in recent memory we heard a leading Democrat mention the fact that their usual talking points about “more than 30,000 deaths due to gun violence per year” includes a significant majority which are actually suicides, not murders or accidents. Allow me to applaud the President for finally being honest about this

It was a small price for Barky to pay to morph the healthcare system into the anti-gun gestapo.

Younggod on January 5, 2016 at 7:22 PM

Will you include a check box on the permit application which says, “Are you thinking about killing yourself?”

I recently had to have surgery and one of the nurses was asking me the standard questions including “Have you ever had thoughts of suicide?”, and I just looked at her and said “Yes, and so has everyone in this hospital who has a Do Not Resuscitate, Advanced Medical Directive, etc. We’ve though about which bad medical outcomes we wouldn’t want to live with, and told you how you’re going to help make sure we don’t have to.”

The look on her face was priceless as she agreed with me.

SDN on January 5, 2016 at 7:22 PM

Politricks on January 5, 2016 at 6:03 PM

Yeah, because it’s totally the same to restrict an actual Constitutional right from actual citizens as opposed to excluding people who openly announce they want to kill you.

Moron.

SDN on January 5, 2016 at 7:25 PM

Yeah, because it’s totally the same to restrict an actual Constitutional right from actual citizens as opposed to excluding people foreigners who openly announce they want to kill you.

Moron.

SDN on January 5, 2016 at 7:25 PM

FIFY

UnstChem on January 5, 2016 at 9:31 PM

Fire free Zones.

Problem solved. Now give me all your money.

jukin3 on January 6, 2016 at 1:04 AM

Gee, could it be that being out of work or now working for reduced remuneration could be a factor in people blowing their brains out? And it’s not just the guy who has four kids and a wife who want $hit he can no longer give them, can’t keep up with the mortgage, etc., but also not a few bankers and others in the financial world.

Drugs and alcohol seem to be a major player in suicide rates in some cultures like ours and Russia’s. In others, it seems to be more tied into class, social and family issues (ego) like in Asia.

I don’t see how more government spending on new “programs” is going to do a darn thing about this…because these always become boondoggles. What is probably better is to supply some funding to keep existing suicide prevention organizations running.

And there are many people out there who volunteer their time to help people contemplating suicide. But, ultimately it’s up to that person to make the call or go to a website.

http://www.suicidepreventionlifeline.org
1 (800) 273-8255

Dr. ZhivBlago on January 6, 2016 at 1:57 AM

If the President wants to put more resources into helping the depressed, the mentally unstable and the terminally ill who may be looking to end their suffering, that’s great.

He doesn’t.

wagnert in atlanta on January 12, 2016 at 8:32 PM