Horrifying new Ted Cruz ad: What if the border were being overrun by … journalists?

posted at 11:21 am on January 5, 2016 by Allahpundit

Two words, my friends: Electric fence.

This is clever spot, especially as a contrast to Trump’s first ad. The hardest problem in political advertising right now, with TV in Iowa and New Hampshire saturated, is to get your clip to stand out. Trump’s solution to that was to stress how far he’s willing to go to stop threatening immigrants from coming in. Cruz’s solution is humor aimed at the political class for not taking Americans’ anxiety about immigration seriously. Same policy problem in both cases, very different tones. That’s because Cruz, for all of his rhetoric about winning the general election by mobilizing the right, intends to make a play for some centrists and independents too if he becomes the nominee. He wants to introduce himself to the national electorate next summer by claiming he’s a lot less “radical” than his critics in the media have cracked him up to be. Trump might be comfortable with lefty media dropping headlines like this on him, but Cruz is not. He’s been especially careful (until recently) in guarding his rhetoric on immigration, knowing that the left will use any excesses as Exhibit A in making the case to Latino voters that he hates “brown people” or whatever. Before the last six weeks or so, he consistently defended legal immigration as a wonderful thing, refused to categorically rule out legalizing some illegals, and refused to back any of Trump’s splashier sentiments about mass deportation or barring Muslims from entering the U.S. He’s moved off those positions a bit — for now — because of pressure from Trump from the right, but you can tell from this clip how intent his team is in keeping the mood light on an otherwise racially charged policy question. It’s a neat trick to make a point about illegals crossing the southern border en masse using a bunch of white actors in suits with briefcases.

The other key point here, and part and parcel of Cruz wanting to lower the temperature on immigration, is that this ad is all about economic resentment over immigration, not cultural or racial anxiety. That’s another way in which Cruz has sought to distinguish himself from Trump: You don’t hear much from Cruz about rapists from Mexico but you’ll hear plenty about hard-working Americans having to compete with illegal labor in a tough economy. That’s a smart way to approach the immigration debate if you’re worried about being attacked by the left as a racist, as concerns about wages being driven down by illegals are sufficiently legit among liberals that even progressive saint Bernie Sanders has been known to make the point. In fact, the last big immigration push in Congress before the Gang of Eight ended up being scuttled by a poison-pill amendment offered by Democrat Byron Dorgan in the name of protecting American workers’ wages. Among those voting for it: Sen. Barack Obama. Similarly, Cruz’s new immigration plan proposes restricting legal immigration as president if the unemployment rate grows too high, a move designed not only to impress the Jeff Sessions fans on the right who are flirting with Trump but also to signal to centrists who dislike Trump’s demagoguery that, for Cruz, this is purely an economic issue which they should feel comfortable supporting. That was his point in the memorable line from the last debate featured in the clip below — that if it was white-collar livelihoods, like law or journalism, that were being threatened by competition from illegals, the tone of the coverage would be very different. Which was, of course, a clever twofer, not only showing blue-collar workers that Cruz is on their side but reinforcing his broader argument that he’s running against the political class a.k.a. “Washington cartel.”

Easy prediction: The immigration ads from each campaign will be the most interesting of those to come over the next month. Can’t wait for Team Jeb’s inevitable “Act of Love” spot!


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I will say this to the Trump supporters:

To have to choice come down to Trump Vs Cruz, I could think of worse things. Like Rubio Vs Christie, or Bush vs Rubio. (vomit)

I can live with that.

portlandon on January 5, 2016 at 1:08 PM

Can anyone on the Trump side tell me what the lawful consequences are for an illegal alien when caught? Not the Obama executive order consequences, but the consequences that the written law calls for.

Constitutionalist on January 5, 2016 at 12:52 PM

My understanding is that there is an immigration hearing before a judge. I do not believe there is right to an attorney, but the defendant can hire one. Defendants are held in a Federal detention facility or released on bond. The defendant can avoid the hearing by voluntarily returning to country of origin.

There is a lot of blather on the net about immigration cases lasting for years, but this seems to be rare. If a defendant cannot prove documentation, which is likely in most cases, they get deported.

Joseph K on January 5, 2016 at 1:08 PM

If there was an epidemic of journalists entering illegally from Mexico to the US, the average IQ in both countries would decline.
Best excuse for a network of mines and machine gun nests I’ve yet seen…!

orangemtl on January 5, 2016 at 1:10 PM

The law says they are subject to deportation.
[snip]
xblade on January 5, 2016 at 12:57 PM

And Cruz has always, without fail, always said, enforce the law! Enforce the law!

Now put those two together and tell me again what Cruz’ position has always been?

Anyways. Trump no longer says deport them all. Hell, it does not seem like he even says the word deport any more. Why is that? It is the word that catapulted him into the lead in the polls. But now he hedges it with other words that do not have the negative connotation with a broader part of the electorate.

Every single time Cruz said enforce the law when challenged what to do with illegal aliens was straight up saying, deport them, remove them from the country. He just was doing it in away that did not turn off parts of the electorate that would be nice to have come November.

Constitutionalist on January 5, 2016 at 1:11 PM

Cruz is NOT the anti-PC warrior that Trump is, and that’s the problem for Cruz in comparison to Trump.

anotherJoe on January 5, 2016 at 11:48 AM

Trump is not anti PC, Trump is “everybody that says a bad word about me i will destroy ”

Love Trump all you want, but the longer the campaign went on i started seeing him as just another rich billionaire who can’t let anybody say a half bad word about him, and someone who looks out for attention all day , everybody has become a bad or sad loser etc.. and anybody who says a good word or even a poll is congratulated as if they’re the best & the brightest

OrthodoxJew on January 5, 2016 at 1:14 PM

Anyways. Trump no longer says deport them all.

Constitutionalist on January 5, 2016 at 1:11 PM

Come on, Constitutionalist! I’m trying to be nice today. Drop that meme. Trump reiterated “deport them all” just the other day; we talked about it here yesterday, in several comments, with links and quotations; there was a Headline post.

Just move on. I’m sure you can find something else to criticize Trump about that bears a closer relation to reality.

Joseph K on January 5, 2016 at 1:15 PM

Come on, Constitutionalist! I’m trying to be nice today. Drop that meme. Trump reiterated “deport them all” just the other day; we talked about it here yesterday, in several comments, with links and quotations; there was a Headline post.

Just move on. I’m sure you can find something else to criticize Trump about that bears a closer relation to reality.

Joseph K on January 5, 2016 at 1:15 PM

Was it “deport them all” or “get them out”? You might be right, but I am thinking the quote was “get them out”.

Constitutionalist on January 5, 2016 at 1:18 PM

I will say this to the Trump supporters:

To have to choice come down to Trump Vs Cruz, I could think of worse things. Like Rubio Vs Christie, or Bush vs Rubio. (vomit)

I can live with that.

portlandon on January 5, 2016 at 1:08 PM

I like Trump certainly but for me the main goal was mostly this, to prevent the GOP establishment from getting their preferred nominee/matchup.

¡Jeb!’s advisor Sally Bradshaw said that his campaign was expecting to oppose an “anger” candidate who they assumed would be Cruz, and Trump’s entry threw everything out of whack.

If you remember prior to Trump getting the only candidate really talking about immigration was Walker.

Cruz wasn’t addressing the issue too much, presumably because he was talking up his desire to increase legal immigration to get Mercer and other big donors on board.

He had faith that his “conservative” credentials on other issues would allow him to thread that needle.

As Cruz is my second favorite candidate a Trump vs. Cruz matchup is ideal.

The establishment though wants Cruz to win Iowa so that it hurts Trump, which shows that they think that Rubio or another GOPe candidate could beat Cruz.

Even if Cruz or his supporters want to attack Trump, they need Trump to act as a battering ram at the very least.

Redstone on January 5, 2016 at 1:21 PM

Every single time Cruz said enforce the law when challenged what to do with illegal aliens was straight up saying, deport them, remove them from the country. He just was doing it in away that did not turn off parts of the electorate that would be nice to have come November.

Constitutionalist on January 5, 2016 at 1:11 PM

Cruz is following what most considered the conservative view on immigration. Don’t make a new law, just enforce the law. It’s on the books. It works if you use it.

As Trumps followers concede, he is not a conservative. Non conservatives usually demand new laws, more, more, more. All that does is cause more tangled mess, which slows down the process with lawsuits, challenges, etc.

It’s two different thoughts on Immigration. I happen to agree with Cruz.

portlandon on January 5, 2016 at 1:23 PM

Constitutionalist on January 5, 2016 at 1:18 PM

I want everybody out.

I want the wall. I want strong borders. I want everybody out.

If you quibble that “I want everybody out” does not mean “deport them all”, I will be very disappointed in you, and NEVER attempt to take you seriously again. We are on the verge of a truce here, I’m in a conciliatory mood, so think carefully…

Joseph K on January 5, 2016 at 1:25 PM

I like Trump certainly but for me the main goal was mostly this, to prevent the GOP establishment from getting their preferred nominee/matchup.

Redstone on January 5, 2016 at 1:21 PM

We are allies then.

After the primaries are over,and the nominee is chosen this friendly fire will cease and we can unite around Trump or Cruz.

The rest of the Vichy GOP can go pound sand.

portlandon on January 5, 2016 at 1:29 PM

portlandon on January 5, 2016 at 1:29 PM

You’ll be forced to accept the stench of the vulgarian howler monkeys :)

Schadenfreude on January 5, 2016 at 1:33 PM

Constitutionalist on January 5, 2016 at 1:11 PM

Results matter, not talk.

How will Cruz get his agenda passed? Can he manipulate the media, and fluster the GOPe? I can maybe grant the last one, but Cruz has already failed with the media over the “government shutdown”.

While I believe Cruz is more principled than Trump, Trump has shown more ability to bypass the media, go straight to the people, and get results. And right now, results matter more than talk. Talk is cheap and all politicians lie. RESULTS MATTER.

We need that this election cycle, and can work on purity later after the media and GOPe strangleholds have been broken and the party retaken. And if we can get that AND immigration enforcement… good!

Trump/Cruz 2016

Otherwise, explain how Cruz will manipulate the media and GOPe to get things done… and it will require many more election cycles to reverse the damage (where Cruz would then be at the top of the ticket). I’ve laid out a long term strategy. Where is yours? Hope for Change?

dominigan on January 5, 2016 at 1:33 PM

Was that footage from Morocco?

Funny stuff. Keep it up Ted.

Oxymoron on January 5, 2016 at 1:36 PM

Two Four words, my friends: Electric fence Puff the Magic Dragon.

RickB on January 5, 2016 at 1:36 PM

You’ll be forced to accept the stench of the vulgarian howler monkeys :)

Schadenfreude on January 5, 2016 at 1:33 PM

I got a strong stomach. =)

portlandon on January 5, 2016 at 1:37 PM

“I like Ted Cruz, but, yes, he’s a disaster on immigration.” -Ann Coulter

http://www.breitbart.com/video/2015/12/18/coulter-gop-candidates-monkeys-only-trump-can-save-u-s-from-turning-into-uganda/

anotherJoe on January 5, 2016 at 1:38 PM

“I like Ted Cruz, but, yes, he’s a disaster on immigration.” -Ann Coulter

anotherJoe on January 5, 2016 at 1:38 PM

If Jews want to be safe again they should convert to Christianity-Ann Coulter

OrthodoxJew on January 5, 2016 at 1:44 PM

This is clever spot, especially as a contrast to Trump’s first ad.

Sorry, AP, but Scott Adams doesn’t agree with you. At all. On his Dilbert blog, he writes about Trump’s first ad:

“My overall grade for the ad is A++++. It might go down in history as one of the best political ads of all time.”

He concludes: “You will see lots of fuming and hatred about the ad, because it intentionally invites that response. It is part of the design. You can’t ignore it.”

Cruz’s ad is cute, but not even close to memorable. Like Cruz, good enough for a distant second place finish.

bofh on January 5, 2016 at 1:50 PM

If you quibble that “I want everybody out” does not mean “deport them all”, I will be very disappointed in you, and NEVER attempt to take you seriously again. We are on the verge of a truce here, I’m in a conciliatory mood, so think carefully…

Joseph K on January 5, 2016 at 1:25 PM

I do, because trumpettes quibble that “Enforce the Law” = amnesty.
I do think carefully, I have always been in a conciliatory mood on Trump and Cruz. I think they both are on the same page, which is, no need to tear one another down.
The law = catch = deport.
Enforce the Law = deport.
The argument against Cruz for many people who want to attack him is that he did not use the WORD deport. But he always was on the side of deporting illegal aliens.

Constitutionalist on January 5, 2016 at 1:51 PM

Cruz Rejects Trump’s Muslim Immigration Ban:

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/cruz-on-trumps-proposed-muslim-ban-no-thats-not-my-policy/article/2577822

anotherJoe on January 5, 2016 at 1:42 PM

He put forward his own. No immigration from nations where terrorists originate. Remains in effect so long as the threat remains in effect.

Trump’s is short term and then back to Muslim immigration.

One was looking for a short term boost in popularity.
One is looking to defending America long term.

Constitutionalist on January 5, 2016 at 1:53 PM

dominigan on January 5, 2016 at 1:33 PM

You need to read this:
https://pjmedia.com/blog/what-no-one-seems-to-know-about-ted-cruzs-past/

In his role as a leader when Cruz was director of the Federal Trade Commission’s Office of Policy Planning, he persuaded and developed a consensus on conservative ideas.

Cruz promoted economic liberty and fought government efforts to rig the marketplace in favor of special interests. Most notably, Cruz launched an initiative to study the government’s role in conspiring with established businesses to suppress e-commerce. This initiative ultimately led the U.S. Supreme Court to open up an entire industry to small e-tailers. Based on his early support of disruptive online companies, Cruz has some grounds to call himself the “Uber of American politics.”

Moreover, and perhaps surprising to some, Cruz sought and secured a broad, bipartisan consensus for his agenda. Almost all of Cruz’s initiatives received unanimous support among both Republicans and Democrats…

INC on January 5, 2016 at 1:55 PM

You’ll be forced to accept the stench of the vulgarian howler monkeys :)

Schadenfreude on January 5, 2016 at 1:33 PM

Once Trump wins the nomination, there won’t be anyone for the vulgarian howler monkeys to howl their vulgarities at. They may revert to human at that point.

Notice that everyone’s strategy seems to be how to capture Trump voters when Trump “melts down”? To all but the learning resistant, it should be obvious by now that he is not going away.

Immolate on January 5, 2016 at 1:59 PM

I do

Institutionalized on January 5, 2016 at 1:51 PM

Oh well, your call. Offer rescinded.

Joseph K on January 5, 2016 at 2:00 PM

Can you admit that without Trump in the race, Ted Cruz would have been successfully branded as excessively radical to be the republican nominee and would have been forced to drop out of the race by now?

blink on January 5, 2016 at 1:52 PM

Seems excessive to say that. But I do admit that Trump cleared the field of quite a bit of trash that needed to be cleared to make it as easy for Cruz as it has been.
Trump is owed a lot of gratitude for his actions. Unfortunately he has not earned near enough long term credits to be superior to Cruz in the eyes of rock solid conservatives. Particularly those who value the Constitution above all else.
Trump is a great guy in this Race. I just do not think he is the best choice of those presented for the office of President.

Constitutionalist on January 5, 2016 at 2:01 PM

I do, because trumpettes quibble that “Enforce the Law” = amnesty

Constitutionalist on January 5, 2016 at 1:51 PM

Indeed.

Cruz has REJECTED Trump’s clarion call to deport all the illegals.

Instead Cruz uses the Walkeresque line that we should just “enforce the laws that are on the books” and deport them when we catch them (but NOT go out of our way to deport all of them).

Well we’ve been doing it that way for at least two decades and it’s not working. Cruz is going to go along to get along on illegal immigration. Not Trump.

This from just weeks ago:

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2015/11/cruz_flipflops_on_legal_immigration_implies_most_illegals_can_stay.html

http://hotair.com/archives/2015/12/01/reporter-asks-ted-cruz-four-times-how-do-you-define-amnesty/

One of the problems with Cruz’s approach is that it leaves the amnesty babies in place. And that leaves Texas blue in short order.

anotherJoe on January 5, 2016 at 2:01 PM

Can you admit that without Trump in the race, Ted Cruz would have been successfully branded as excessively radical to be the republican nominee and would have been forced to drop out of the race by now?

blink on January 5, 2016 at 1:52 PM

That would have been the strategy indeed. Whether they’d have screwed the pooch on that as badly as they’ve done on everything else is I think a valid question.

Immolate on January 5, 2016 at 2:03 PM

Horrifying new Ted Cruz ad: What if the border were being overrun by … journalists?

Love it!

petefrt on January 5, 2016 at 2:06 PM

Just a reminder to Hot Air readers – the guy who wrote this

Every single time Cruz said enforce the law when challenged what to do with illegal aliens was straight up saying, deport them, remove them from the country. He just was doing it in away that did not turn off parts of the electorate that would be nice to have come November.

Institutionalized on January 5, 2016 at 1:11 PM

refuses to admit that Trump saying “I want everybody out” the other day means “deport them all”.

Institutionalized has been lying for a week saying that Trump has backed off “deport them all”, and when faced with Trump saying “I want everybody out” just the other day, is doubling down on his assertion.

I offered a truce to Institutionalized if he would only back off his lie claim when faced with this very recent statement by Trump. Institutionalized rejected it.

Ted Cruz could not have a worse advocate.

Joseph K on January 5, 2016 at 2:07 PM

All a new POTUS would have to do is state that any Border State not enforcing Federal Immigration Laws would lose their Fed Funding. Same funding they were threatened to lose if they DID enforce under Obama.
Also, wonder if State Police, Sheriff, and City Police can be Deputized as Federal Border Patrol, just until
the border is secure.
I would also assume other measures such as 10k fine for each employee not E-verified, eliminate Anchor (gasp) babies, Sanctuary Cities (use the same Fed Fund club as above), etc.
Any Illegal who reported in, would be put in line before they head back and wait their turn.
Any who didn’t and was found to be here 180 days after law was passed, would be deported without ability to reenter.
U.S. needs to have a 10 year period to get it’s house in order. Call it Tough Love.

Whiterock on January 5, 2016 at 2:08 PM

Cruz Rejects Trump’s Muslim Immigration Ban:

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/cruz-on-trumps-proposed-muslim-ban-no-thats-not-my-policy/article/2577822

anotherJoe on January 5, 2016 at 1:42 PM

Cruz put forward his own plan.

Constitutionalist on January 5, 2016 at 1:53 PM

No. Cruz said only that to deal with “terrorism” that we should halt some Muslim immigration from a limited number of Jihadist states.

But it’s not mainly about terrorism, per se. It’s about keeping us from turning into France or UK with their soaring Muslim populations. The problem is that the globalist pro-immigration Cruz leaves in place almost all of the existing Muslim immigration that is slated to soon reach European levels. Not good at all. We need a blanket ban on Muslim immigration. That should be common sense. But only Trump seems to be able to say that.

And btw, we can’t “vet” the future children of the coming hordes of fertile Muslim immigrants. NO to Cruz’s plan to not put a halt to Muslim immigration!

anotherJoe on January 5, 2016 at 2:10 PM

Trump / Cruz for the win.

Whiterock on January 5, 2016 at 2:11 PM

Joseph K on January 5, 2016 at 2:07 PM

So much for the lie in conciliatory mood eh?
Well, you had a moment of appearing reasonable. And that is gone.

Constitutionalist on January 5, 2016 at 2:12 PM

Dim bulb Cruz-Cultist Institutionalized insists that Ted Cruz saying “enforce the law” means “deport them all”. I agree. Here is Trump’s website:

A nation without laws is not a nation. Laws passed in accordance with our Constitutional system of government must be enforced.

So by Institutionalized’s logic, Trump states “deport them all” on his website.

Here is Ted Cruz’s plagiarization version:

Follow the Constitution: Use every ounce of my constitutional authority and executive discretion to ensure DHS enforces the law instead of violating it.

Not too different. In fact, probably good enough for the NY Times.

Thanks, Institutionalized, for helping show that Trump means business on deportation!

Joseph K on January 5, 2016 at 2:15 PM

We need a blanket ban on Muslim immigration. That should be common sense. But only Trump seems to be able to say that.

And btw, we can’t “vet” the future children of the coming hordes of fertile Muslim immigrants. NO to Cruz’s plan to not put a halt to Muslim immigration!

anotherJoe on January 5, 2016 at 2:10 PM

Blanket ban for a couple months. Remember, he says it can happen quickly. Then right back to where we were before.

And since the truce never happened. Here is what Trump thought of first as a way to enforce his muslim ban. Have a customs agent ask, “are you a muslim?” and take them on faith that they are not lying using the honor system!

Compared to a targeted ban on those who threaten us most and is perpetual in that activity.

Constitutionalist on January 5, 2016 at 2:16 PM

I’m worried that all this tough talk on immigration will just alienate many hispanic voters and help give Hillary the victory in November.

SoulGlo on January 5, 2016 at 2:17 PM

HaHaHa! Great ad from Cruz, and thank Trump for making it possible.

DFCtomm on January 5, 2016 at 2:21 PM

Trump / Cruz 2016

Cruz / ???? 2020

People will always remember when the Loud Mouth from New York swooped down from the sky in his Black Jet and saved America from itself.
Doing more good in four years then others in eight, he turns it over to a most qualified Apprentice and heads back to the Private Sector.

Capitol Hill installing a Trump signal under the Dome, in case he is ever needed again.

Whiterock on January 5, 2016 at 2:23 PM

Not too different. In fact, probably good enough for the NY Times.

Thanks, Institutionalized, for helping show that Trump means business on deportation!

Joseph K on January 5, 2016 at 2:15 PM

Dips^&t Joseph K who says he is conciliatory yet refuses to admit that Cruz ever advocated for deportation before the election, but Cruz has always stated enforce the law which Joseph K admits means deport them, then bitches that I am not taking alternative wording from his god as the word DEPORT. The complaint against Cruz on these threads for the last several weeks is that he never used the word DEPORT. Sorry d*&^less wonder but when your argument is, ‘but he never used the word we want him to use’, then I get to use that same argument against your diety!
Get them out does not equal deport them all same as “enforce the law” that says deport them does not equal deport them. Only a Trump supporter, only a Trump supporter is that irrational.

Constitutionalist on January 5, 2016 at 2:24 PM

I’m worried that all this tough talk on immigration will just alienate many hispanic voters and help give Hillary the victory in November.

SoulGlo on January 5, 2016 at 2:17 PM

Rinse?

DFCtomm on January 5, 2016 at 2:24 PM

Not too different. In fact, probably good enough for the NY Times.

Thanks, Institutionalized, for helping show that Trump means business on deportation!

Joseph K on January 5, 2016 at 2:15 PM

Dips^&t Joseph K who says he is conciliatory yet refuses to admit that Cruz ever advocated for deportation before the election, but Cruz has always stated enforce the law which Joseph K admits means deport them, then complains that I am not taking alternative wording from his god as the word DEPORT. The complaint against Cruz on these threads for the last several weeks is that he never used the word DEPORT. Sorry d*&^less wonder but when your argument is, ‘but he never used the word we want him to use’, then I get to use that same argument against your diety!
Get them out does not equal deport them all same as “enforce the law” that says deport them does not equal deport them. Only a Trump supporter, only a Trump supporter is that irrational.

Constitutionalist on January 5, 2016 at 2:26 PM

I like this Ted Cruz

paulsur on January 5, 2016 at 2:28 PM

We need a blanket ban on Muslim immigration. That should be common sense. But only Trump seems to be able to say that.

And btw, we can’t “vet” the future children of the coming hordes of fertile Muslim immigrants. NO to Cruz’s plan to not put a halt to Muslim immigration!

anotherJoe on January 5, 2016 at 2:10 PM

Blanket ban for a couple months…

Constitutionalist on January 5, 2016 at 2:16 PM

A couple months? Not true.

Trump says that ban would last “until we figure out what’s going on.”

That’s it. It could be two months, it could be two decades, or it could be never.

And if we did “figure out what’s going on” you can bet that we would NOT want them immigrating here ever. So, once we “figure it out,” the ban will continue. Trump’s Muslim ban is in effect a permanent ban!

anotherJoe on January 5, 2016 at 2:32 PM

Joseph K on January 5, 2016 at 2:15 PM

Cruz used the words Constitution and wall and enforce, which is clearly a rip off of Trump’s ideas because no one else ever uses those words when discussing border security and defending the Constitution and enforcing the rule of law.

conservageek on January 5, 2016 at 2:34 PM

Actually, it’s pathetic that you couldn’t admit that saying ‘I want them out’ is a reinforcement of earlier calls for deportation.

blink on January 5, 2016 at 2:28 PM

I actually did admit it.

I do, because trumpettes quibble that “Enforce the Law” = amnesty.

I stated that I make the argument that they are not the same based on the actions of how they frame the debate.
If you refuse to admit that enforce the law = deport them then I am perfectly in the right to say that I am unwilling to consider that I want them out = deport them all.
A conciliatory person would turn around and say. Hey, you know what, you are right, enforce the law does equal deport them.

Constitutionalist on January 5, 2016 at 2:36 PM

Dips^&t Joseph K who says he is conciliatory yet refuses to admit that Cruz ever advocated for deportation before the election, but Cruz has always stated enforce the law which Joseph K admits means deport them, then bitches that I am not taking alternative wording from his god as the word DEPORT. The complaint against Cruz on these threads for the last several weeks is that he never used the word DEPORT. Sorry d*&^less wonder but when your argument is, ‘but he never used the word we want him to use’, then I get to use that same argument against your diety!
Get them out does not equal deport them all same as “enforce the law” that says deport them does not equal deport them. Only a Trump supporter, only a Trump supporter is that irrational.

Constitutionalist on January 5, 2016 at 2:24 PM

I watched some old Cruz links yesterday and, in all fairness, he never said deportation specifically, but he did say enforce the law, which should mean deportations. I would be disappointed if it didn’t.

DFCtomm on January 5, 2016 at 2:38 PM

anotherJoe on January 5, 2016 at 2:32 PM

He qualified that the next day saying it could be done quickly.

Constitutionalist on January 5, 2016 at 2:39 PM

Do people in this comments section really believe illegal immigrants are driving down THEIR incomes? Are people here losing out on high paying hotel maid jobs, nanny jobs, car wash jobs, valet parking jobs, fruit picking?

Wake up, Republicans. This is a losing issue for us in the general election. We have so many winning issues we could run on:

Debt
Economic growth
Jobs (real ones for Americans)
Terrorism
Taxes
Regulation
Education

Most Americans think government is too big and too expensive and we’re going to scapegoat 4% of the population because they risked everything to come here (yes, illegally) looking for a better life (you know, the American dream)?

eaglephin on January 5, 2016 at 2:43 PM

Howdy! Internet went out Thursday-and just came back.
Go Cruz!

annoyinglittletwerp on January 5, 2016 at 11:36 AM

Welcome back, Twerp! Everyone’s been asking if y’all were OK. Glad to hear from you.

And hell, yes, Go Cruz! (great ad)

Who is John Galt on January 5, 2016 at 2:43 PM

Get them out does not equal deport them all same as “enforce the law” that says deport them does not equal deport them. Only a Trump supporter, only a Trump supporter is that irrational.

Institutionalized on January 5, 2016 at 2:24 PM

Somebody is unraveling…

Joseph K on January 5, 2016 at 2:47 PM

Trump qualified that the next day saying it could be done quickly.

Constitutionalist on January 5, 2016 at 2:39 PM

No Trump didn’t.

You can’t provide a link on that because I know it’s not true.

Trump says that the Muslim ban would last “until we figure out what’s going on.” That could be days, it could be forever. But if we somehow figured out ‘what the hell’s going on’ with the Muslims then we wouldn’t want them in ever. So it’s a permanent ban.

anotherJoe on January 5, 2016 at 2:47 PM

I’m worried that all this tough talk on immigration will just alienate many hispanic voters and help give Hillary the victory in November.

SoulGlo on January 5, 2016 at 2:17 PM

Actually there are huge numbers of Hispanics here already who came in during the Amnesty years who truly want all the illegals sent back. The more that come, the more jobs they take away from the ones who came here legally. I know. I was a sponsor to a young Mexican woman from Oaxaca. It took 19 years for her Amnesty to finalize, and now she is a very proud American, with many brothers and sisters going through the same lengthy legal process. And they have never once collected unemployment in all those years, but it gets harder and harder with all the illegals around taking the jobs.

UPNorthWolf on January 5, 2016 at 2:47 PM

Do people in this comments section really believe illegal immigrants are driving down THEIR incomes?
eaglephin on January 5, 2016 at 2:43 PM

Yes.

Carpenters
masons
tile setters
sheetrock hangers
concrete workers
poultry workers
road workers
gardeners
small restaurants
young people getting a job in: fast food, delivery, grocery, convenience stores…and on, and on.

cozmo on January 5, 2016 at 2:49 PM

Nice ad.

ramesees on January 5, 2016 at 2:50 PM

Yes.

Carpenters
masons
tile setters
sheetrock hangers
concrete workers
poultry workers
road workers
gardeners
small restaurants
young people getting a job in: fast food, delivery, grocery, convenience stores…and on, and on.

cozmo on January 5, 2016 at 2:49 PM

+10000

SpongePuppy on January 5, 2016 at 2:58 PM

This is amusing.

Both guys want to reduce the illegal immigrant population by having them leave the country. Both are using code words for deport so that it minimizes the hit ads that Hillary will want to run against deport. It would seem both are being wary of creating ad copy for their potential dem opponent.

I see weaknesses in both of their language, but that is the way it goes. Since Trump speaks more off the cuff it is more difficult to know exactly where he is at any given moment. Yes, he isn’t conservative. He will use the feds to do what he perceives his voters want. That has always been my problem with him.

Trump did pave the way for Cruz – who I assumed would be too strident for the overall population, but I think actually polls better against Hillary than Trump does. Of course in another two weeks who knows what the polls will say.

One quick thing – I am concerned that if Trump were the nominee he will not be nearly as effective making Hillary look bad. She is bad on the stump – Trump realistically isn’t strong in that environment either – so it makes Hillary’s biggest weakness less glaring.

Fun to watch.

Zomcon JEM on January 5, 2016 at 2:58 PM

We are allies then.

After the primaries are over,and the nominee is chosen this friendly fire will cease and we can unite around Trump or Cruz.

The rest of the Vichy GOP can go pound sand.

portlandon on January 5, 2016 at 1:29 PM

Unite around Trump or Cruz? Ha, ha. It’s harder to hear the echo in a chamber as large as the United States. Good luck.

Coltrane on January 5, 2016 at 3:01 PM

So, you admit to lying.

right2bright, you were quickly branded as a liar by most commenters here. Why are you doing the same thing with your Constitutionalist login so quickly also?

blink on January 5, 2016 at 1:24 PM

What? You think we are the same person? And you suspect me as being someone that is not truthful…you think that?

Your fantasy again? You branded me a liar, when I quoted Trump…amazing you would bring that up.

When I produced the quote from Trump, you continued, foolishly “branding” me. Pal, those are his words, not mine…so calling him a liar, an interesting debate position…but typically stupid.

A joke is you branding anyone.

So, if Trump is so adamant about deporting, why didn’t he put it in writing, in his detailed immigration plan?

Oh, he must have “forgot” or his dog ate that provision…or he didn’t mean it.

So how is he going to deport them all…he answers that in an interview with Dana…”I don’t know how, but we will figure it out somehow”…yeah, I can see why you have so much confidence in him…and in the same interview he states he is open to allowing them citizenship…but definitely expedite them and make them legal.

He is all over the map with his policies…nobody really knows, because he, apparently, doesn’t know either.

right2bright on January 5, 2016 at 3:03 PM

A conciliatory person would turn around and say. Hey, you know what, you are right, enforce the law does equal deport them.

Constitutionalist on January 5, 2016 at 2:36 PM

Post once to the fool…than move on.

He does not have the capacity to understand half of what you write…you totally baffled him with logic.

right2bright on January 5, 2016 at 3:06 PM

Do people in this comments section really believe illegal immigrants are driving down THEIR incomes?
eaglephin on January 5, 2016 at 2:43 PM

You’re not getting the big picture. It’s really a triad attack. Illegal aliens to attack the wages of low skill Americans. H1-B visas to attack technical workers, and off shoring to attack manufacturing. There is virtually no level of employment that isn’t under pressure to reduce wages via competition from foreign labor, in some way.

DFCtomm on January 5, 2016 at 3:10 PM

Trump or Cruz? I like both, but seriously who has more experience at negotiating?

DDay on January 5, 2016 at 3:12 PM

Illegals shouldn’t be here because, well because it’s illegal, we have laws.

Not because they drive prices down, a free market is a free market. If janitors are paid $10, but legal immigrants come in and drive the price to $7 per hour, what is wrong with that?

If a rough carpenter makes $20 per hour and a legal immigrant comes in and makes $10 per hour…free market, become better or take a cut.

That’s the way it works in a free market, not that you are guaranteed a wage…unless you are a liberal pro government advocate.

That is why Trump says they are valuable and he would expedite them to be legal.

What I have been advocating for years…they add value, but they have to be legal.

The difference is, I don’t want to make them legal in the sense of a pathway…give them work permits and keep them off the welfare rolls.

right2bright on January 5, 2016 at 3:12 PM

Trump or Cruz? I like both, but seriously who has more experience at negotiating?

DDay on January 5, 2016 at 3:12 PM

And who has more experience supporting and working with the dems…who has more experience in going bankrupt? Who has more experience being and voting democrat?

right2bright on January 5, 2016 at 3:14 PM

10 million American working age men have no job.

As thousands of America’s best and brightest technology students are being replaced en masse by cheap foreign labor through H-1B and other conduits (see my book Sold Out, co-authored by John Miano who is challenging bipartisan regulatory immigration expansions on multiple fronts), the White House continues to push extraordinary administrative measures and executive orders on behalf of the rest of the world’s workers. Remember: This open-borders administration employed administrative fiat to open the floodgates for a total of 5.5 million employment documents for illegal alien parents and their children. – See more at: https://www.conservativereview.com/commentary/2016/01/obamas-alien-work-permit-jackpot#sthash.4plYENYR.dpuf

Mormontheman on January 5, 2016 at 3:19 PM

The ad is a thing of beauty.

Looking back at the bush amnesty days, we’ve (illegal immigration activists) have come a long way baby and I believe the best is yet to come.

voiceofreason on January 5, 2016 at 3:40 PM

At :34, what’s that guy doing to the woman in front of him?

BuckeyeSam on January 5, 2016 at 3:48 PM

Trump qualified that the next day saying it could be done quickly.

Constitutionalist on January 5, 2016 at 2:39 PM

No Trump didn’t.

You can’t provide a link on that because I know it’s not true.

Trump says that the Muslim ban would last “until we figure out what’s going on.” That could be days, it could be forever. But if we somehow figured out ‘what the hell’s going on’ with the Muslims then we wouldn’t want them in ever. So it’s a permanent ban.

anotherJoe on January 5, 2016 at 2:47 PM

No link. Use google, pick the source you most trust.
Trump said on ABC’s “World News Tonight” the ban would be “short term.” He said the ban could be lifted “very quickly if our country could get its act together.”

Constitutionalist on January 5, 2016 at 4:13 PM

Brad Thor:

https://twitter.com/BradThor/status/684440413948776456

Pork-Chop on January 5, 2016 at 5:13 PM

One quibble, AP.

Cruz appears to be tying immigration restrictions to workforce participation rate, not the faked-up “unemployment” rate.

Under no circumstances should legal immigration levels be adjusted upwards so long as work-force participation rates remain below historical averages.

Random Numbers (Brian Epps) on January 5, 2016 at 5:53 PM

I’m waiting for the follow up where we see a lawyer representing a large corporation replaced in court by a foreign worker who he must train.

J_Crater on January 5, 2016 at 6:03 PM

It would be fun to have President Cruz implement via executive action the fast tracking of US citizenship to conservative journalists, lawyers, bankers and teachers.

RJL on January 5, 2016 at 6:37 PM

Too bad Cruz cannot be trusted on this issue because this is not what he was saying 6 months ago.

Trump for President, 2016!

earlgrey on January 5, 2016 at 7:43 PM

Cruz appears to be tying immigration restrictions to workforce participation rate, not the faked-up “unemployment” rate.

(Brian Epps) on January 5, 2016 at 5:53 PM

SSSHhhhhhh! Your dissing Morrissey’s favorite numbers! He thinks they’re real!

earlgrey on January 5, 2016 at 7:45 PM

Trump with a laugh and a smile.

I have to say I prefer that to angry all the time.

Sackett on January 5, 2016 at 11:32 AM

You can’t really be that much of a sucker for media propaganda, can you? Don’t you realize that they pick the most outrageous comments, photos, and videos they can in order to “manage” your opinion? Don’t be a fool and fall for it or you might end up like some lame-ass raghead camel humper that hangs around here.

earlgrey on January 5, 2016 at 7:53 PM

That’s a really effective ad.

Fortyback on January 5, 2016 at 7:58 PM

Wait a minut. Isn’t this what happens if Bernie Sanders gets elected- and all these folks are headed South?

michaelo on January 5, 2016 at 10:19 PM

resentment?

If you are going to use that word, you should make it clear that the resentment is not against the immigrants themselves. The resentment is against the chamber of commerce who want to keep the wages low.

Deafdog on January 5, 2016 at 11:42 AM

From my previous conversations with the Trumpsters on this website, it is absolutely resentment towards immigrants that’s fueling a great deal of Trump’s popularity. That resentment is tied up with a very real economic fear that the globalists are trying to import cheap labor to help drive down wages and replace blue collar American workers. However, I don’t believe that Trump has any intention of deporting anyone; I think he’s selling these afraid Americans a bill of goods and playing on their economic dislocation anxiety to drum up support/attention.

Oh, and I’m a Cruz supporter. Always have been, always will be. Trump may have a great marketing campaign and is polishing the anti-immigrant knob real well, but Cruz’s Constitutionalist position is the closest to Originalism that we will likely see in a while and Trump, other than his immigration rhetoric, is still a big-government northeastern liberal who favors social welfare over self-sufficiency.

Speakeasy on January 5, 2016 at 10:26 PM

Too cute. People are more worried about actual criminals surging through the border, not the hypocrisy of journalists.

virgo on January 6, 2016 at 12:32 AM

Too cute. People are more worried about actual criminals surging through the border, not the hypocrisy of journalists.

virgo on January 6, 2016 at 12:32 AM

They are, and they also know why nothing is being done about it, because it is not effecting the lives of the media, lawyers, and the rich in the negative ways it effects their own lives. So the spot works well with people who are angry nothing is being done.

Constitutionalist on January 6, 2016 at 8:41 AM

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