Here we go: Trump says Cruz’s Canadian birth could be “very precarious” for the GOP

posted at 10:01 pm on January 5, 2016 by Allahpundit

To some lefties, Trumpmania is a form of karmic payback for the GOP establishment having spent the past seven years pandering to conservative populists in their hatred of Barack Obama. They nurtured the tea-party monster for their own ends, the theory goes, but now it’s broken out of the lab and transformed into Trumpism, which they can’t control and which might very well end up killing them. If you like that theory, you’ll love the idea of Trump recycling a famously fringy attack on Obama to try to take down Mr. Tea Party himself, Ted Cruz. That could actually work out pretty sweetly for the establishment if Trump uses this to sink the formidable Cruz and then gets steamrolled by Rubio in a one-on-one battle for the nomination, but let’s not sweat the details. If you’re a liberal, you must be enjoying this immensely.

Back on December 7, when a poll dropped showing Trump suddenly trailing Cruz in Iowa, I wondered how long it would be before Trump started idly wondering aloud whether Cruz is eligible to be president. We have our answer — although I assume Trump would say that he’s not questioning Cruz’s qualifications here, he’s merely repeating what others have said to him. It’s their attack, not his. Heaven forbid.

“Republicans are going to have to ask themselves the question: ‘Do we want a candidate who could be tied up in court for two years?’ That’d be a big problem,” Trump said when asked about the topic. “It’d be a very precarious one for Republicans because he’d be running and the courts may take a long time to make a decision. You don’t want to be running and have that kind of thing over your head.”

Trump added: “I’d hate to see something like that get in his way. But a lot of people are talking about it and I know that even some states are looking at it very strongly, the fact that he was born in Canada and he has had a double passport.”…

In the interview with The Washington Post, Trump said he was providing a candid assessment of his leading opponent rather than initiating a personal attack and reviving the “birther” debate that he once led against President Obama. He repeatedly said he is hearing chatter on the topic among voices on the right. “People are bringing it up,” he said.

You believe him when he says he’d hate to see this get in Cruz’s way, don’t you?

Follow the bouncing ball here. Trump was first asked about Cruz’s eligibility in August 2013, just seven months after Cruz joined the Senate. ABC wanted to know whether Trump, who’d spent so much time demanding Obama’s birth certificate in interviews, thought Cruz was eligible for the presidency after being born in Canada to an American-citizen mother. Trump’s reply: “If he was born in Canada, perhaps not.” Fast-forward to March 2015, with Cruz already in the race and Trump preparing his own candidacy. Trump said this of Cruz’s eligibility:

“Well he’s got, you know, a hurdle that nobody else seems to have at this moment,” said Trump, who was born in Queens. “It’s a hurdle and somebody could certainly look at it very seriously. He was born in Canada … if you know … and when we all studied our history lessons … you’re supposed to be born in this country, so I just don’t know how the courts would rule on it. But it’s an additional hurdle that he has that no one else seems to have.”

Similar to today! But a few days later, he assured NRO that Cruz’s situation was “very different” from Obama’s because Cruz “has been very candid and open about his place of birth and his background.” Fast-forward another six months, to September 2015, and Trump was even more confident that Cruz was in the clear:

“I hear it was checked out by every attorney and every which way and I understand Ted is in fine shape,” Trump told ABC News just before speaking at a Capitol Hill rally blasting the Iran nuclear deal…

“I think he’s a really nice guy, I’ve gotten to know him a little bit, but I think if he’s born in Canada it’s a problem no question about it,” he said during an interview at Washington’s iconic Old Post Office, which Trump recently acquired and is transforming into a luxury hotel.

It’s still a “problem” at that point — but not much of one given that the lawyers have checked it out and everything seems shipshape. How do you get from that to wondering whether Cruz might end up snared in years of litigation over his eligibility? The answer, of course, is that the Trump/Cruz bromance was still going strong in September, with Trump leading Cruz handily in every poll. Four months later, Cruz is ahead in Iowa and leads Trump narrowly in a new poll today out of delegate-rich California. As Trump feels increasingly desperate, it may be that he’s going to go increasingly Birther on Cruz. Which is a mixed bag for Cruz, I think. On the one hand, if Trump convinces his fans that Cruz isn’t constitutionally eligible to be president, that’s a major problem for Cruz’s strategy of winning over Trump’s populist base. On the other hand, my hunch is that conservative talk radio will be merciless with Trump if he presses this line of attack. And Cruz will get some sympathy even from righties who might not otherwise look warmly upon him if Trump insists on painting him as some sort of foreigner who should have his presidential hopes cashiered by a judge at a moment when he’s winning. How does that shake out? Does Cruz gain or lose votes on balance? And if Trump goes all-in on Birtherism, how does he endorse Cruz later if/when he drops out, as Cruz is surely hoping he’ll do? You can’t support a candidate whom you believe isn’t eligible to run.

Cruz has responded, incidentally. This is as close as we’re going to get to him throwing a straight punch at Trump, I think:

Meh. That’s actually pretty dismissive of Trump to anyone who gets the reference (which most everyone does, I hope?), but it’s cheeky enough that Cruz can probably play it off as a joke if Trump gets cranky and wants to fight. Michelle Fields is reporting on Cruz in Iowa for Breitbart and says that he scrupulously avoided hitting Trump harder tonight when reporters cornered him after an event, so … yeah. Cruz is probably done with this to the extent he can be. Your move, Trump. Escalate or not?


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So let’s all act like Obama and stonewall the information that would confirm or deny this and then attack anyone who questions it.

Sounds good.

NWConservative on January 6, 2016 at 11:32 AM

the cruzombies are fine with a kenyan president as long as hes their kenyan

Garyinaz66 on January 6, 2016 at 11:48 AM

NWConservative on January 6, 2016 at 11:26 AM

So you are not only claiming that Cruz is not a natural born citizen, you are claiming that he is not a US citizen at all. That’s obviously not true, and wishing doesn’t make it so.

Gelsomina on January 6, 2016 at 11:50 AM

Bump

There is info out there sating his mother was a CANADIAN Citizen when slick teddy was born

Cruz Citizenship Timeline (documented)

FACTUAL CRUZ CITIZENSHIP TIMELINE
(Everything presented in this timeline is a matter of public record. All of it is based upon publicly reported events, public statements made by Rafael Cruz, Ted Cruz, officials with the Elect Ted movement or U.S. and Canadian officials.”

1964-1966
Cruz sr. takes a few odd -obs, marries and moves to Canada to wor$ in the oil fields. The Cruz family resides in Canada for the next eight years.
“I worked in Canada for eight years,” Rafael Cruz says.
“And while I was in Canada, I became a Canadian citizen.” –
(From and interview with NPR
1970
Ted Cruz is born in Canada, to two parents who had lived in Canada for at least four years at that time, and had applied for and received Canadian citizenship under Canadian immigration and naturalization laws, as stated by Rafael Cruz. As a result, U.S. statutes would have voided the prior green card status which requires among other things, permanent residency within the United States and obviously, not becoming a citizen of another country during the time frame of the U.S. green card.

Because Ted Cruz has been confirmed a legal citizen of Canada up until renouncing his Canadian citizenship in May of 2014, and because he has been confirmed a citizen of Canada at birth, and because his Father is on public record stating that he and his wife became citizens of Canada during their eight years living in Canada and because Rafael Cruz remained a citizen of Canada until he renounced and applied for legal U.S. citizenship in 2005. There is simply no way that Ted Cruz was, is or ever can be a natural born Citizen of the United States eligible for the offices of President or Vice President
http://www.scribd.com/doc/256409078/Cruz-Citizenship-Timeline-documented

Garyinaz66 on January 6, 2016 at 11:51 AM

Two things I find interesting about this conversation, neither of which pertain to Cruz’s eligibility.

1) Does anyone really believe that Obama’s presidency will be “stricken from the record” should he prove to have been ineligible for the presidency?

2) What does it mean when Trump, who is normally very up-front about insulting and accusing people, couches his aspersions in coy terms like “people are saying”?

Immolate on January 6, 2016 at 11:52 AM

the cruzombies are fine with a kenyan president as long as hes their kenyan

Garyinaz66 on January 6, 2016 at 11:48 AM

Says the “unhinged howler monkey” (sorry if I got that wrong, I usually try to avoid pejorative labels) who is happy with a Northeastern liberal candidate, as long as it’s his Northeastern liberal candidate.

Immolate on January 6, 2016 at 11:58 AM

So you are not only claiming that Cruz is not a natural born citizen, you are claiming that he is not a US citizen at all. That’s obviously not true, and wishing doesn’t make it so.

Gelsomina on January 6, 2016 at 11:50 AM

It all depends on Ted Cruz’s mother. If her immigration status with Canada was that of a natualized citizen, she renounced her US citizenship.

And an error on the US government’s part is not a surprise given that they haven’t strictly enforced the laws they have sworn to uphold for decades. So again, maybe Ted Cruz should take this seriously instead of replying with Happy Days crap.

NWConservative on January 6, 2016 at 11:59 AM

Two things I find interesting about this conversation, neither of which pertain to Cruz’s eligibility.

1) Does anyone really believe that Obama’s presidency will be “stricken from the record” should he prove to have been ineligible for the presidency?

It’s happened twice with senators.

2) What does it mean when Trump, who is normally very up-front about insulting and accusing people, couches his aspersions in coy terms like “people are saying”?

Immolate on January 6, 2016 at 11:52 AM

If you are really that naive that you don’t think the queen of Birthers will not bring a concerted effort to have Ted Cruz disqualified, you’re beyond help.

NWConservative on January 6, 2016 at 12:02 PM

the cruzombies are fine with a kenyan president as long as hes their kenyan

Garyinaz66 on January 6, 2016 at 11:48 AM

Says the “unhinged howler monkey” (sorry if I got that wrong, I usually try to avoid pejorative labels) who is happy with an American Citizen Northeastern liberal candidate, as long as it’s his Northeastern liberal candidate.

Immolate on January 6, 2016 at 11:58 AM

FIFY.

and Trump is far superior to the donor owned and operated liar slick teddy cruz

Garyinaz66 on January 6, 2016 at 12:03 PM

Garyinaz66 on January 6, 2016 at 11:51 AM

Obviously, Cruz’s mother’s citizenship status at the time of his birth is not a matter of conjecture. Both the United States and Canada keep adequate records of these things. It is unnecessary to speculate. Statements by Cruz’s father can neither establish or refute her status. Why are you studying goat entrails when the question is a matter of public record?

Immolate on January 6, 2016 at 12:03 PM

Immolate on January 6, 2016 at 12:03 PM

as with obama, the records have been sealed

Garyinaz66 on January 6, 2016 at 12:07 PM

1) Does anyone really believe that Obama’s presidency will be “stricken from the record” should he prove to have been ineligible for the presidency?

2) What does it mean when Trump, who is normally very up-front about insulting and accusing people, couches his aspersions in coy terms like “people are saying”?

Immolate on January 6, 2016 at 11:52 AM

1) There is historical precedent of that at the level of state Governor and U.S. Senator.

2) Trump will likely not make Obama’s (in)eligibility more of an issue prior to the primary and general elections, but might very well do so in 2017.

ITguy on January 6, 2016 at 12:07 PM

Garyinaz66 on January 6, 2016 at 11:51 AM

You can upload anything on scribd. Who is the author? A guy named J. B. Williams who knows as much about the topic as the posters here.

Gelsomina on January 6, 2016 at 12:12 PM

as with obama, the records have been sealed

Garyinaz66 on January 6, 2016 at 12:07 PM

Cruz can’t seal Canadian immigration records.

Gelsomina on January 6, 2016 at 12:14 PM

NWConservative on January 6, 2016 at 11:26 AM

So you are not only claiming that Cruz is not a natural born citizen, you are claiming that he is not a US citizen at all. That’s obviously not true, and wishing doesn’t make it so.

Gelsomina on January 6, 2016 at 11:50 AM

NW is all in on Trump. Don’t either bother. The LW Media LOVES this story, it’s running almost non stop on cnn, msdnc and fox.

and it will likely hurt Cruz and benefit Trump.

Here’s another thing, most of these Trumper wackos in here ARE BIRTHERS, so this fits into their insanity perfectly.

AYNBLAND on January 6, 2016 at 12:15 PM

It’s happened twice with senators.

Their completed terms were stricken from the record? What practical effect did that have to legislation they may have voted on?

If you are really that naive that you don’t think the queen of Birthers will not bring a concerted effort to have Ted Cruz disqualified, you’re beyond help.

NWConservative on January 6, 2016 at 12:02 PM

My expectations of the scope of Hillary’s willingness to do whatever it takes to win are effectively unbounded. My question is why Trump is acting as if he’s afraid to own the question by attributing its origin to others. That an age-old weasel dodge–one that any seasoned politician (which Trump isn’t) or experienced businessman (which Trump is) should be wise enough to employ.

Thank you for answering the question I didn’t ask, which is “Why would Trump bring up a topic that casts doubt on the eligibility of his most apparent pick for Veep.” I think the correct answer to that question is, whatever Trump reads about or hears about that day will probably be repeated by him on Twitter, without much thought to political strategy, especially if he’s tit-tatting with the person in question. Trump defines anti-message discipline.

Immolate on January 6, 2016 at 12:17 PM

Here’s another thing, most of these Trumper wackos in here ARE BIRTHERS, so this fits into their insanity perfectly.

AYNBLAND on January 6, 2016 at 12:15 PM

I doubt that. Every group has their conspiracy theorists. It only makes sense that an insurgent candidate would have his fair share and perhaps a few extras. But most? They aren’t that common.

Immolate on January 6, 2016 at 12:20 PM

Here’s another thing, most of these Trumper wackos in here ARE BIRTHERS, so this fits into their insanity perfectly.

AYNBLAND on January 6, 2016 at 12:15 PM

I doubt that. Every group has their conspiracy theorists. It only makes sense that an insurgent candidate would have his fair share and perhaps a few extras. But most? They aren’t that common.

Immolate on January 6, 2016 at 12:20 PM

Multiple polls of the GOP Base were done when Trump was doing his Obama Birther thing in 2011-212 showed that 30 plus percent thought Obama wasn’t born here.

That’s about the exact number of Trumpers this go round.

AYNBLAND on January 6, 2016 at 12:24 PM

as with obama, the records have been sealed

Garyinaz66 on January 6, 2016 at 12:07 PM

It would defy imagination that the appropriate agency in the Canadian government wouldn’t provide the required information to any US government agency seeking to establish the bona fides of a candidate for the US presidency.

It further defies imagination that either the US government, or the US government would be interested in obscuring information harmful to Ted Cruz’s candidacy. Conspiracies to withhold information require actors with a vested interest in withholding it. This is not Barack Obama we’re talking about. Are you suggesting that the Canadian and US governments are conspiring to protect Ted Cruz?

Immolate on January 6, 2016 at 12:25 PM

Rush just gave Trump the go ahead to attack Cruz on his eligibility and Levin told him NOT to do that last night.

AYNBLAND on January 6, 2016 at 12:27 PM

Immolate on January 6, 2016 at 12:25 PM

FOIA request have been made to get the info and denied, Rafael would have to request them himself.

Garyinaz66 on January 6, 2016 at 12:32 PM

Multiple polls of the GOP Base were done when Trump was doing his Obama Birther thing in 2011-212 showed that 30 plus percent thought Obama wasn’t born here.

That’s about the exact number of Trumpers this go round.

AYNBLAND on January 6, 2016 at 12:24 PM

There is a difference between having reasonable doubts about Obama’s eligibility, doubts that Obama has gone out of his way to nurture, and being a “birther” or conspiracy theorist. The vast majority of that thirty percent you refer to are of the former category.

Immolate on January 6, 2016 at 12:32 PM

Rush just gave Trump the go ahead to attack Cruz on his eligibility and Levin told him NOT to do that last night.

AYNBLAND on January 6, 2016 at 12:27 PM

who cares, most people listen to rush, levin and (ack) beck and others for entertainment, we dont let them make our choices for us and im sure Trump doesnt either.

remember when all of them praised rubifraud

Garyinaz66 on January 6, 2016 at 12:37 PM

NW is all in on Trump. Don’t either bother. The LW Media LOVES this story, it’s running almost non stop on cnn, msdnc and fox.

and it will likely hurt Cruz and benefit Trump.

Here’s another thing, most of these Trumper wackos in here ARE BIRTHERS, so this fits into their insanity perfectly.

AYNBLAND on January 6, 2016 at 12:15 PM

Heh. I wasn’t into the Obama birthed movement at the time, but it is about following the law. It used to be that citizenship was passed down by the father, that right2bright so eloquently pointed out when she brought up the 1790s naturalization acts. If we were under those rules, Cruz, Rubio, Obama, and Jindal would have not been eligible.

NWConservative on January 6, 2016 at 12:38 PM

FOIA request have been made to get the info and denied, Rafael would have to request them himself.

Garyinaz66 on January 6, 2016 at 12:32 PM

So you’re saying the someone filed an FOIA with the Canadian government? Obviously, that’s a US law, but assuming that Canada has something similar, I can imagine that they would refuse to release information of personal nature to lookie-loos in the interest of privacy for those involved.

Do you have any evidence that Canada has denied appropriate information to any US governmental agency charged with verifying eligibility?

Immolate on January 6, 2016 at 12:39 PM

who cares, most people listen to rush, levin and (ack) beck and others for entertainment, we dont let them make our choices for us and im sure Trump doesnt either.

remember when all of them praised rubifraud

Garyinaz66 on January 6, 2016 at 12:37 PM

I don’t believe that for a second. I believe a big chunk of the GOP base turn to those hosts and regurgitate what they say and what they think.

And they will be to blame if Trump is the nominee.

AYNBLAND on January 6, 2016 at 12:43 PM

Their completed terms were stricken from the record? What practical effect did that have to legislation they may have voted on?

Senators are not Presidents, we haven’t had a president who’s been declared ineligible after the election. If he was ineligible, who signed those bills and executive orders into law?

My expectations of the scope of Hillary’s willingness to do whatever it takes to win are effectively unbounded.

Exactly. Ted Cruz should spend less time mocking this and actually prove he is eminently qualified for the presidency by having his records released and his mother’s are the most important of all.

Thank you for answering the question I didn’t ask, which is “Why would Trump bring up a topic that casts doubt on the eligibility of his most apparent pick for Veep.” I think the correct answer to that question is, whatever Trump reads about or hears about that day will probably be repeated by him on Twitter, without much thought to political strategy, especially if he’s tit-tatting with the person in question. Trump defines anti-message discipline.

Immolate on January 6, 2016 at 12:17 PM

Every time someone says something to that effect they turn up wrong.

Like others said upthread, maybe he’s trying to help Cruz by forcing him to get it out of the way, one way or the other. And Cruz being glib about it is a pathetic dodge.

Or do you want Ted Cruz to be nominated and be declared ineligible to run after the convention and all the state deadlines have passed?

NWConservative on January 6, 2016 at 12:46 PM

Heh. I wasn’t into the Obama birthed movement at the time, but it is about following the law. It used to be that citizenship was passed down by the father, that right2bright so eloquently pointed out when she brought up the 1790s naturalization acts. If we were under those rules, Cruz, Rubio, Obama, and Jindal would have not been eligible.

NWConservative on January 6, 2016 at 12:38 PM

Yeah, you were. Go do a google search.

AYNBLAND on January 6, 2016 at 12:48 PM

Yeah, you were. Go do a google search.

AYNBLAND on January 6, 2016 at 12:48 PM

I’m sure you will provide links shortly…

NWConservative on January 6, 2016 at 12:52 PM

Yeah, you were. Go do a google search.

AYNBLAND on January 6, 2016 at 12:48 PM

I’m sure you will provide links shortly…

NWConservative on January 6, 2016 at 12:52 PM

LOL. Not going to waste my time but if anyone else wants to check, simply put “NW Conservative” and “Birth Certificate” in a google search and you’ll see I’m right.

AYNBLAND on January 6, 2016 at 12:56 PM

Thank you for answering the question I didn’t ask, which is “Why would Trump bring up a topic that casts doubt on the eligibility of his most apparent pick for Veep.” I think the correct answer to that question is, whatever Trump reads about or hears about that day will probably be repeated by him on Twitter, without much thought to political strategy, especially if he’s tit-tatting with the person in question. Trump defines anti-message discipline.

Immolate on January 6, 2016 at 12:17 PM

It could well be that Trump is hearing questions about Cruz’ eligibility from Dems and wants to inoculate Cruz from the issue in case he chooses Cruz as vice presidential nominee. Trump can be very canny, and is nobody’s fool.

I, and many others, are sick of “message discipline” from politicians who use it as a tool to avoid controversial but critical issues, to avoid responsibility for broken promises, and to foist unwelcome, expensive legislation onto the backs of the general public.

I am not saying Trump does not know how to hedge, but he is directly confronting issues which would have been studiously avoided by every GOP candidate currently running for president. If other candidates, including Cruz, are now discussing those issues, it is only because Trump is riding to victory by openly discussing and promoting solutions to those problems.

bobthm3 on January 6, 2016 at 1:10 PM

I wasn’t into the Obama birther movement at the time

NWConservative on January 6, 2016 at 12:38 PM

Yeah, you were. Go do a google search.

AYNBLAND on January 6, 2016 at 12:48 PM

I’m sure you will provide links shortly…

NWConservative on January 6, 2016 at 12:52 PM

LOL. Not going to waste my time but if anyone else wants to check, simply put “NW Conservative” and “Birth Certificate” in a google search and you’ll see I’m right.

AYNBLAND on January 6, 2016 at 12:56 PM

https://www.bing.com/search?q=site%3Ahotair.com+%2B“NWConservative”+%2B“Birth+Certificate”

https://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Ahotair.com+%2B%E2%80%9CNWConservative%E2%80%9D+%2B%E2%80%9CBirth+Certificate%E2%80%9D

I see no comments by NW Conservative in the 2008-2010 time frame regarding the fraudulent documents Obama has profferred as his authentic Certification of Live Birth, Selective Service registration, and Certificate of Live Birth.

ITguy on January 6, 2016 at 1:12 PM

I see no comments by NW Conservative in the 2008-2010 time frame regarding the fraudulent documents Obama has profferred as his authentic Certification of Live Birth, Selective Service registration, and Certificate of Live Birth.

ITguy on January 6, 2016 at 1:12 PM

LOL. He did it in 2011 on. Come on.

AYNBLAND on January 6, 2016 at 1:15 PM

jimgeraghty [email protected] · 5h5 hours ago
If our party rejects Ted Cruz because of this “he’s Canadian!” BS, we deserve to lose.

I could not agree more..:)

Dire Straits on January 6, 2016 at 1:22 PM

Hey, Trump supporters, I am a blogger who would like to have a split-screen Skype discussion with a thoughtful Trump supporter which I would then post to YouTube. I oppose Trump, but I want to give you a fair chance to make your case. It would be a 20-30 minute chat, no gotcha questions or editing. I really want to be fair and have a substantive discussion. You would get the video at the end too and could do what you want with it. I haven’t done any video interviews like this before, but you can see my blog at the link in my username to get a sense of my style. If you’re interested, please email me at [email protected] or contact me through the blog, including a short summary of why you support Trump.

DavidV on January 6, 2016 at 1:24 PM

Liz Mair [email protected] · 5h5 hours ago
Question Cruz might ask: Has Trump ever ditched the British citizenship he inherited from his Mum? Bc as matter of UK law, Trump’s a Brit

Very interesting question for The Donald..:)

Dire Straits on January 6, 2016 at 1:24 PM

LOL. He did it in 2011 on. Come on.

AYNBLAND on January 6, 2016 at 1:15 PM

I see nothing from NWConservative in those searches prior to 2014.

Your bluff has been called, and you are bluffing.

ITguy on January 6, 2016 at 1:31 PM

Liz Mair [email protected] · 5h5 hours ago
Question Cruz might ask: Has Trump ever ditched the British citizenship he inherited from his Mum? Bc as matter of UK law, Trump’s a Brit

>Very interesting question for The Donald..:)

Dire Straits on January 6, 2016 at 1:24 PM

Considering that the source of the question is Liz Mair, a political mercenary most likely working in conjunction with the GOPe to ruin Trumps candidacy, the question is neither surprising or interesting, except in light of Liz Mairs role as a political hack.

Trump’s mother did indeed become a U.S. citizen before the birth of Donald. It displays a small image of a signed naturalization receipt for Mrs. Trump on March 10, 1942, filed in the U.S. District Court for the Eastern District of New York, four years before Donald was born.

“Donald Trump is a natural born American citizen, above the age of 35 and a resident of the United States of America longer than 14 years,” declares Birthers.org. “He has provided sufficient documentation attesting to his place of birth, and upon research of his parents it is determined that they were both American citizens at the time of his birth. … There is no doubt that at his birth his natural allegiance for the United States of America was and still is unalienable. …

The founder of Birthers.org, Teo Bear, told WND, “I am 99.999 percent certain Donald Trump meets the definition of a natural-born citizen as our founding fathers understood it to mean.

bobthm3 on January 6, 2016 at 1:43 PM

According to US immigration law, the mother, if she did become naturalized in Canada, could have, but not automatically, lost her American citizenship. Presumably the US never rescinded her citizenship, or she would have gone through the naturalization process when she came back.

cimbri on January 6, 2016 at 1:43 PM

so much fun.

everdiso on January 6, 2016 at 1:46 PM

bobthm3 on January 6, 2016 at 1:43 PM

Asking a question does not make one a hack..:)

Dire Straits on January 6, 2016 at 1:48 PM

Asking a question does not make one a hack..:)

Dire Straits on January 6, 2016 at 1:48 PM

It’s rather obvious that she did not do any research before asking the question. She is a veteran Republican political operative who just formed an organization specifically targeting Donald Trump. As a bonus, the veteran political hack Rick Wilson is a member of that same organization.

Our definitions may differ, but in my opinion, that qualifies Liz Mair as a hack. :)

bobthm3 on January 6, 2016 at 1:56 PM

so much fun.

everdiso on January 6, 2016 at 1:46 PM

Indeed it is. I have never been so entertained by a political campaign.

It will be wonderful to have a competent Republican president in the White House after eight years of buffoonery and incompetence, if not outright malfeasance and treachery.

bobthm3 on January 6, 2016 at 1:59 PM

LOL. He did it in 2011 on. Come on.

AYNBLAND on January 6, 2016 at 1:15 PM

I see nothing from NWConservative in those searches prior to 2014.

Your bluff has been called, and you are bluffing.

ITguy on January 6, 2016 at 1:31 PM

I looked using criteria like Obama and birth or certificate and found nothing that wasn’t recent.

Immolate on January 6, 2016 at 2:02 PM

LOL. He did it in 2011 on. Come on.

AYNBLAND on January 6, 2016 at 1:15 PM

HA HAHAHAHAHAHA!! I wasn’t a member of this site until 2014. Wow, now you’ve been caught lying twice. By Me.

NWConservative on January 6, 2016 at 2:03 PM

This will solve it. The WH is on the case.

Schadenfreude on January 6, 2016 at 3:21 PM

Liz Mair [email protected] · 5h5 hours ago
Question Cruz might ask: Has Trump ever ditched the British citizenship he inherited from his Mum? Bc as matter of UK law, Trump’s a Brit

Very interesting question for The Donald..:)

Dire Straits on January 6, 2016 at 1:24 PM

You fell for that ugly and stupid biatch?

Schadenfreude on January 6, 2016 at 3:25 PM

This will solve it. The WH is on the case.

Schadenfreude on January 6, 2016 at 3:21 PM

Go ahead, Obama White House… go ahead and push for more discussion and clarification of the definition of natural born citizen.

Keep in mind, again, that the US Supreme Court said that natural born citizens don’t need the 14th amendment, (the contrapositive being that those who need the 14th amendment aren’t natural born citizens), and Obama’s own campaign web site said that Obama “became a citizen at birth under the first section of the 14th Amendment”. That’s an admission against interest. I’d love to see that discussed in the media.

ITguy on January 6, 2016 at 3:30 PM

LOL. He did it in 2011 on. Come on.

AYNBLAND on January 6, 2016 at 1:15 PM

You’re a slow learner. Sunday, beg for forgiveness.

Schadenfreude on January 6, 2016 at 3:34 PM

That’s an admission against interest. I’d love to see that discussed in the media.

ITguy on January 6, 2016 at 3:30 PM

Why I say, often, that the real circus is yet to begin. This season is glorious.

Schadenfreude on January 6, 2016 at 3:35 PM

ITguy, excellent work, as always.

Schadenfreude on January 6, 2016 at 3:39 PM

I wasn’t into the Obama birthed movement at the time …

NWConservative on January 6, 2016 at 12:38 PM

Why not? You are in the Cruz birther movement now, big time. What’s the difference between Obama and Cruz?

Gelsomina on January 6, 2016 at 5:07 PM

Go ahead, Obama White House… go ahead and push for more discussion and clarification of the definition of natural born citizen.

Keep in mind, again, that the US Supreme Court said that natural born citizens don’t need the 14th amendment, (the contrapositive being that those who need the 14th amendment aren’t natural born citizens), and Obama’s own campaign web site said that Obama “became a citizen at birth under the first section of the 14th Amendment”. That’s an admission against interest. I’d love to see that discussed in the media.

ITguy on January 6, 2016 at 3:30 PM

Perfect!

tanked59 on January 6, 2016 at 5:45 PM

Is everyone nuts? Does no one remember 2008?

In 2008 Democrats and the media were feverishly insisting that Obama was not born in Kenya. Why? Because in 2008 everyone believed that if he was born in Kenya he would not be considered a natural born citizen! Has everyone’s memory been erased?

Now it’s suddenly okay for Cruz to have been born in Canada? How did that happen?

If Obama was born in Kenya, then he was born in another country to a foreign father and an American mother.

Cruz was born in another country to a foreign father and an American mother.

BOTH SITUATIONS ARE THE SAME! If Obama would have been considered ineligible with a foreign birth, then Cruz is not eligible. Period.

In other words, if Obama says tomorrow, “I was only kidding. I really was born in Kenya!” how can the Cruz supporters not accept that?

Jeez.

The historical definition of the term natural born citizen (as understood by the Founding Fathers) is born on U.S. soil to two. U.S. citizen parents. The rule is NOT AND NEVER HAS BEEN “born anywhere with one citizen parent.”

Colony14 on January 6, 2016 at 8:40 PM

All you defenders of Obama and Cruz, STOP referring to laws and court cases that only mention generic citizenship. When a law mentions “citizen” you CANNOT infer that it also means “natural born citizen.” You would be thrown out of law school in your first year if you tried that.

It is clear that the Founding Fathers knew what the term natural born citizen meant and why they used it in defining eligibility requirements for the president. Had they meant only “native born” they would have used that term. They did not.

In fact, an earlier draft of the U.S. Constitution, perhaps influenced by Alexander Hamilton, used the phrase “born Citizen of the United States.” That was intentionally changed to “natural born Citizen of the United States” to help assure that the president was as far removed as possible from foreign influence and owing his full allegiance to the United States. Attorney Mario Apuzzo observes, “And the adjective ‘natural born’ was known and understood by [the Founding Fathers] to mean sole allegiance at birth to one nation as Vattel defined in his legal treatise, The Law of Nations or Principles of Natural Law, first published in 1758 in French and reprinted as a new edition in French and which was sent to the founders in 1775 by Dumas of the Netherlands, the editor of the new 1775 edition. The founders were fluent in French which was the diplomatic language of the time.”

Congressman John Bingham of Ohio helped draft the Fourteenth Amendment, which deemed former slaves to be citizens of the United States. In a discussion on March 9, 1866 Bingham stated, “[I] find no fault with the introductory clause [S 61 Bill], which is simply declaratory of what is written in the Constitution, that every human being born within the jurisdiction of the United States of parents not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty is, in the language of your Constitution itself, a natural born citizen.”

That statement further reinforces the argument that the Founding Fathers understood the term “natural born citizen” to mean born on U.S. soil to two-U.S. citizen parents. Obama’s father, not having been a U.S. citizen, clearly was someone who owed allegiance to a foreign sovereignty; Obama cannot therefore legally serve as president. It is worth noting that there have been five attempts by Congress since 2001 to redefine the meaning of the term natural born citizen; clearly those attempts would not have been necessary if it only meant “born in the U.S.A.)

Colony14 on January 6, 2016 at 8:44 PM

Why not? You are in the Cruz birther movement now, big time. What’s the difference between Obama and Cruz?

Gelsomina on January 6, 2016 at 5:07 PM

Obama was born to a citizen parent in Hawaii.

Cruz was born IN CANADA, to an American citizen who would have renounced her citizenship if she became a naturalized Canadian citizen.

And if you want to continue sticking your head in the sand and acting like this is not an issue, then you are no better than the democrats and their republican enablers in not wanting to follow our laws.

NWConservative on January 6, 2016 at 11:56 PM

The whole thing seems surreal. We’ve never put a non-native on the ballot.

cimbri on January 7, 2016 at 12:03 AM

ITguy, excellent work, as always.

Schadenfreude on January 6, 2016 at 3:39 PM

I just saw this now.

Thank you for your kind words.

ITguy on January 7, 2016 at 8:45 AM

Well, if a child born in the USA to illegal alien parents is a citizen, then obviously, a child born to an American citizen outside the USA is a citizen by parentage. The whole “natural born” thing is a red herring — one could argue that a caesarian section birth is not “natural,” so anyone born that way is not “natural born.”

loveyouall on January 7, 2016 at 11:22 AM

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