WaPo’s Marcus: Let’s face it, Bill Clinton’s predatory behavior is much worse than Trump’s sexist remarks

posted at 1:01 pm on December 29, 2015 by Ed Morrissey

To paraphrase the immortal words of Daniel Simpson “D-Day” Day, the war’s over — Donald Trump dropped the big one. At least Ruth Marcus thinks so when it comes to the Battle of the Sexes between Trump and Hillary Clinton. Marcus argues that while Trump personifies vulgarity, he has the edge over Hillary when it comes to attacks on women. Trump just makes sexist statements, Marcus argues, but Hillary’s husband Bill preys on them:

“Hillary Clinton has announced that she is letting her husband out to campaign but HE’S DEMONSTRATED A PENCHANT FOR SEXISM, so inappropriate! ” Trump tweeted on Saturday.

He followed up the next day on “Fox and Friends Weekend,” accusing Clinton of playing the “woman’s card” and declaring her husband “fair game because his presidency was really considered to be very troubled, to put it mildly, because of all the things that she’s talking to me about.” Trump, typically delighted with himself, pointed out, “I turned her exact words against her.”

And again, Monday morning. “If Hillary thinks she can unleash her husband, with his terrible record of women abuse, while playing the women’s card on me, she’s wrong!”

Well, Bill Clinton has a penchant for something. He had a successful presidency — with an ugly blot. “Sexism” isn’t the precise word for his predatory behavior toward women or his inexcusable relationship with a 22-year-old intern. Yet in the larger scheme of things, Bill Clinton’s conduct toward women is far worse than any of the offensive things that Trump has said.

Trump has smeared women because of their looks. Clinton has preyed on them, and in a workplace setting where he was by far the superior. That is uncomfortable for Clinton supporters but it is unavoidably true.

Marcus calls this playing “the Bill card,” and it’s been a long time coming. Hillary attacked Bernie Sanders for his supposed sexism earlier in the year, which led to a lot of spluttering from Team Sanders but not much more. Sanders’ supporters tried defending themselves by telling everyone how much Bernie had done for women and so on, which amounts to a pretty week, “some of my best friends are X” sort of arguments. In fact, Trump did much the same thing earlier in the campaign after getting criticized as sexist for attacks on Megyn Kelly and Carly Fiorina, although neither candidate actually lost ground in the first place.

Trump has decided to fight fire with fire in this case, but this wasn’t the first opening. Jaws dropped earlier this month when Hillary stated that all rape accusers had a right to be believed and supported. That led to this exchange in New Hampshire, when a woman at a townhall event asked, “But would you say that about Juanita Broaddrick, Kathleen Willey, and Paula Jones? Should we believe them as well?” The three women had openly accused Bill Clinton of sexual assault (harassment in Jones’ case). “Well, I would say that everybody should be believed at first until they are disbelieved based on evidence,” Clinton replied. However, the first two cases never got adjudicated, and Bill committed perjury in the Jones case — and in all three cases, Hillary publicly scoffed at their claims from the beginning. (There is also the matter of Hillary’s handling of a case with a 12-year-old rape victim, and how she painted the adolescent girl as “emotionally unstable” and had a “tendency to seek out older men” while defending the alleged rapist.)

The only reservation Marcus has in her column is whether Bill is “fair game” for the campaign. While she believes that using Bill as a campaign surrogate is a wise choice for Hillary, Marcus allows that this — plus her knee-jerk accusations of sexism on the campaign trail — does indeed make Bill fair game. But this is different than other spouses, too; Bill is the former President of the United States, and has stayed politically active ever since he left the White House. That’s much different than it would be for, say, Bernie Sanders’ wife, or Carly Fiorina’s husband. Those are non-combatants in the political arena, while Bill has been a gladiator there for almost his entire life. Plus, a large part of the argument for Team Hillary is a return to Bill’s policies, especially when it comes to economics — or at least that’s what they are telling swing-state voters. If Team Hillary runs on Bill’s record, then that makes all of his record fair game.

Whether one likes Trump or not, whether one considers him a vulgarian or not, this is a smart play. However, it might have been more effective closer to the general election. Telegraphing this punch now will reduce its effectiveness for when it might be really needed.


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No, the public will hear that the GOP candidate is an idiot who fell for long discredited conspiracy theories (similar to how trump is STILL a birther).

Then the pointing and laughing begin.

Tlaloc on December 29, 2015 at 5:27 PM

Yeah, because that’s what happens to Trump all the time. The media always gets one over on him. He always comes out looking bad.

DFCtomm on December 29, 2015 at 5:29 PM

It’s so much fun to torment Tlaloc, it’s wrapped in it’s smug little blanket, and nothing get’s through. It can’t hear you…..nanananananana.

DFCtomm on December 29, 2015 at 5:24 PM

Should I point out the logical error there?

Sure, why not. If nothing can get through then how could you possibly torment me which relies on me reacting to something you do?

Semantics, learn them.

Tlaloc on December 29, 2015 at 5:29 PM

Congrats, you’ve proven he claims to have attended that school.

Tlaloc on December 29, 2015 at 5:26 PM

Yep. For some sad, strange reason, I can’t prove he “graduated” from that school. Would’ve looked good on Bubba’s CV.

Christien on December 29, 2015 at 5:30 PM

Sure, why not. If nothing can get through then how could you possibly torment me which relies on me reacting to something you do?

Semantics, learn them.

Tlaloc on December 29, 2015 at 5:29 PM

I don’t torment you, since you’re oblivious. It’s kind of like making fun of a retarded kid. If they don’t get it, then are you really making fun of them?

DFCtomm on December 29, 2015 at 5:31 PM

clutch those polls close to your little heart

DFCtomm on December 29, 2015 at 5:26 PM

You’re the one claiming this is entirely a popularity contest, but in the one head to head measure of popularity your guy loses.

Strange.

Tlaloc on December 29, 2015 at 5:31 PM

Tlaloc on December 29, 2015 at 5:29 PM

You keep posting. That’s all the reaction needed. Here’s another participation trophy. Thanks for attending!

Christien on December 29, 2015 at 5:31 PM

But I can always depend on the Clinton threads to bring out the howling uninformed masses of the right wing echo chamber.

Kenny Bania on December 29, 2015 at 4:53 PM

LOL! Coming from a Democrat Comedian who trumpets their howling and totally uniformed beliefs here every day, that’s pretty funny stuff!

How is my having known for 15+ years now that Bill and Hillary used their DOJ to successfully prosecute a female Federal employee for lying under oath about sex to a Federal Grand Jury “uninformed”? Only on your planet, Kenny, only on your planet.

By the way, you’ve been basically forced to live here on the Clinton threads, what with all of your childlike beliefs in your Man-God’s Lies that ISIS is “the JV team”, and certainly not a threat in America. That whole fairy tale blew up in your face in San Bernardino like an exploding Bill Clinton cigar!

F-

Del Dolemonte on December 29, 2015 at 5:31 PM

Yeah, because that’s what happens to Trump all the time. The media always gets one over on him. He always comes out looking bad.

DFCtomm on December 29, 2015 at 5:29 PM

You’re mistaking how he looks to the far right base with how he looks in general. Step out of the echo chamber and you’ll see that Trump has been a bonanza for comedians.

Tlaloc on December 29, 2015 at 5:32 PM

In other words you have no principles and instead only defend those you agree with.

Thanks for making that explicit.

another dumbass statement from a dumbass.

no, you ALWAYS defend Trump, and Cruz, and Sarah Palin don’t you? you don’t agree with them, but you always defend them. oh wait, you don’t, so your dumbass statement is as worthless as all of your posts.

Senator Philip Bluster on December 29, 2015 at 5:32 PM

You’re the one claiming this is entirely a popularity contest, but in the one head to head measure of popularity your guy loses.

Strange.

Tlaloc on December 29, 2015 at 5:31 PM

I hate to break it to you, but polls aren’t the one measure of popularity, voting is.

DFCtomm on December 29, 2015 at 5:32 PM

Yep. For some sad, strange reason, I can’t prove he “graduated” from that school. Would’ve looked good on Bubba’s CV.

Christien on December 29, 2015 at 5:30 PM

And you have a theory for why it happened that involves perfidy on his part, but you can’t prove it.

Neat.

Tlaloc on December 29, 2015 at 5:33 PM

You’re mistaking how he looks to the far right base with how he looks in general. Step out of the echo chamber and you’ll see that Trump has been a bonanza for comedians.

Tlaloc on December 29, 2015 at 5:32 PM

Not worried about the left or the right, where Trump is concerned.

DFCtomm on December 29, 2015 at 5:34 PM

How is my having known for 15+ years now that Bill and Hillary used their DOJ to successfully prosecute a female Federal employee for lying under oath about sex to a Federal Grand Jury “uninformed”? Only on your planet, Kenny, only on your planet.

By the way, you’ve been basically forced to live here on the Clinton threads, what with all of your childlike beliefs in your Man-God’s Lies that ISIS is “the JV team”, and certainly not a threat in America. That whole fairy tale blew up in your face in San Bernardino like an exploding Bill Clinton cigar!

F-

Del Dolemonte on December 29, 2015 at 5:31 PM

Jeebus, you’re still wetting your pants over ISIS? I assumed you guys had moved on by now. That’s pathetic.

So you think the San Bernadino shooting is an existential threat to america? That’s… actually that’s just par-for-the-course stupidity for you.

Tlaloc on December 29, 2015 at 5:36 PM

no, you ALWAYS defend Trump, and Cruz, and Sarah Palin don’t you? you don’t agree with them, but you always defend them. oh wait, you don’t, so your dumbass statement is as worthless as all of your posts.

Senator Philip Bluster on December 29, 2015 at 5:32 PM

I defend them when they’re right or more to the point when they are unfairly wronged. I defended Cruz’s kids earlier in this thread. I’ve defended female right wing personalities from attacks on their appearance.

It’s not my fault you lack integrity.

Tlaloc on December 29, 2015 at 5:38 PM

Jeebus, you’re still wetting your pants over ISIS? I assumed you guys had moved on by now. That’s pathetic.

So you think the San Bernadino shooting is an existential threat to america? That’s… actually that’s just par-for-the-course stupidity for you.

Tlaloc on December 29, 2015 at 5:36 PM

There is going to be a slow dribble of terrorism for the rest of this election cycle. Do you think this is going to help the candidate who says Islam is a religion of peace, or the candidate who says to bar all Muslims? Get out of the progressive echo chamber and you’ll get a clue.

DFCtomm on December 29, 2015 at 5:38 PM

I hate to break it to you, but polls aren’t the one measure of popularity, voting is.

DFCtomm on December 29, 2015 at 5:32 PM

Yes actually polls are a measure of popularity (depending on the specific question, of course).

Oh gawd, you’re one of those who still thinks polls are just made up, aren’t you

Tlaloc on December 29, 2015 at 5:39 PM

Yes actually polls are a measure of popularity (depending on the specific question, of course).

Oh gawd, you’re one of those who still thinks polls are just made up, aren’t you

Tlaloc on December 29, 2015 at 5:39 PM

It’s never that simple. Polls are often tools to sway public opinion, and that’s just the flaw on the side of the entity that creates the poll. It’s much worse if you begin to factor in reasons why those who take the poll might wish to skew them. I personally make it a point to lie my ass off to polls. I take every single one that calls, and I lie about everything.

DFCtomm on December 29, 2015 at 5:44 PM

There is going to be a slow dribble of terrorism for the rest of this election cycle. Do you think this is going to help the candidate who says Islam is a religion of peace, or the candidate who says to bar all Muslims? Get out of the progressive echo chamber and you’ll get a clue.

DFCtomm on December 29, 2015 at 5:38 PM

In 2014 terrorism managed to kill 37 people across all western countries combined.

2015 will be higher due to Paris (130 victims). In fact, most likely 2015 will be a local maximum for number of terrorism victims. And yet the number is trivial. around the world maybe 100,000 total victims (the vast majority are in the middle east) out of a population of 7,300,000,000 worldwide.

You are right that the GOP has managed to eke some advantage out of inflating these attacks and trading in fear, which of course gives the terrorists much more power to terrorize than they would have otherwise, but are you sure that’s something you are proud of?

I mean you are bragging of helping what you claim is an existential threat to get more powerful. Doesn’t that make you a traitor?

Tlaloc on December 29, 2015 at 5:46 PM

Tlaloc on December 29, 2015 at 5:36 PM

San Bernadino? Never heard of it.

Christien on December 29, 2015 at 5:47 PM

I personally make it a point to lie my ass off to polls. I take every single one that calls, and I lie about everything.

DFCtomm on December 29, 2015 at 5:44 PM

If you expected that to shock me you’re sadly mistaken.

Tlaloc on December 29, 2015 at 5:47 PM

I defend them when they’re right or more to the point when they are unfairly wronged.

Tlaloc on December 29, 2015 at 5:38 PM

Except by yourself.

The Schaef on December 29, 2015 at 5:53 PM

I’m seeing a political cartoon of a red-faced Bill in a hot tub time machine with Monica et al., and yelling at Hillary, “I thought you set it for the Eighties!”

Christien on December 29, 2015 at 5:54 PM

In 2014 terrorism managed to kill 37 people across all western countries combined.

If you were one of those 37 then you might care a bit more.

You are right that the GOP has managed to eke some advantage out of inflating these attacks and trading in fear, which of course gives the terrorists much more power to terrorize than they would have otherwise, but are you sure that’s something you are proud of?

I think it’s receiving the attention it deserves, but I can see why you would wish to down play them, since it casts your immigration, and foreign policy in a bad light, but that only makes it inflated in your opinion.

I mean you are bragging of helping what you claim is an existential threat to get more powerful. Doesn’t that make you a traitor?

Tlaloc on December 29, 2015 at 5:46 PM

That’s right put that brown shirt on. Feels good doesn’t it? Makes you feel powerful doesn’t it?

Anyway, dinner time, so you can have the last word.

DFCtomm on December 29, 2015 at 5:54 PM

laughable… Mr Integrity is going to defend Trump from all the unfair attacks on him here.

Please show us one of your posts where you defend Trump from an unfair attack. dig deep.

Senator Philip Bluster on December 29, 2015 at 5:55 PM

If you expected that to shock me you’re sadly mistaken.

Tlaloc on December 29, 2015 at 5:47 PM

dont care

DFCtomm on December 29, 2015 at 5:55 PM

And the counter argument is that an intern is not really an employee since they suffer no undue hardship from leaving their position.

Tlaloc on December 29, 2015 at 4:05 PM

Under that line of argument, sexual harassment of an employee’s daughter would be okay, since they’re not an employee. But it isn’t, is it? So I guess that line of argument doesn’t work, huh?

GrumpyOldFart on December 29, 2015 at 5:56 PM

Comedy Gold for ya, Kenny.

Subtitled: “Howling uninformed right winger finds 1999 NOW Press Release that NOW scrubbed from their own website in less than 10 minutes!”

And now I remember why NOW scrubbed it in 2014-because it came from the NOW President at the time, Patricia Ireland! Dr. Goebbels approves…

And best of all, this verbatim transcript of Ireland’s remarks comes from…a Left-Wing blog! It’s called “News Center: Breaking News & Views for progressive-thinking Americans”, which is part of the Common Dreams website.

Link.

Choke on it, Kenny, and tell us why NOW felt they had to scrub this from their own website last year, although everyone here but you already knows the answer…

FEBRUARY 25, 1999 11:07 AM
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
CONTACT: National Organization for Women
Loretta Kane 202-331-0066 x 762

NOW Calls on Clinton to Foreswear “Nuts or Sluts” Defense, Work with Congress to Strengthen Women’s Rights Laws

WASHINGTON – February 25 –

Statement of NOW President Patricia Ireland

We will likely never know the truth about Juanita Broaddrick’s accusation against Bill Clinton. It’s virtually impossible to prove or defend against a 21-year-old rape charge. Perhaps the best way to respond is to call on President Clinton and his supporters not to launch a broadside against his accuser and to urge the president and the Congress to work to improve the status of women.

The Washington Post reports that government investigators “found her account inconclusive.” Ms. Broaddrick’s account, however, is particularly compelling because, like Kathleen Willey, she has been a reluctant witness with no apparent political or financial motivation.

I understand why she would not want to get involved with the Paula Jones case and why she would give an affidavit denying what she now says is true.

I understand why a woman wouldn’t file charges of rape 21 years ago–especially against the attorney general of Arkansas — especially if she’s a married woman who’s having an affair. And I understand why she has been reluctant to come forward now.

When I was in law school, I learned that the best rape survivor from the prosecution’s point of view is a woman who is old enough to tell her story, but not old enough to have ever had a smoke, a drink or a date.

Ever since the Garden of Eden, in sexual matters, men have been dominant and women have taken the blame.

Ms. Broaddrick says even she blamed herself at the time. After all, she had invited him up to her room. And she was sure she would not be believed.

Now that she has come forward with her story, the National Organization for Women urges everyone to treat Juanita Broaddrick fairly and respectfully and to take her charges seriously. She must not be besieged by attacks on her mental state or character.

NOW calls on President Clinton to denounce this “nuts or sluts” defense, the argument that she either made it up or asked for it. The president should pledge publicly not to seek, or leak, irrelevant sexual history or other parts of Ms. Broaddrick’s personal or work life, and not to let anyone do so on his behalf.

As with other charges against Clinton, a phalanx of partisan lawyers, spokespeople and politicians who are opponents of the women’s rights movement are linked to the most recent accusation. Ms. Broaddrick’s story was unearthed by the attorneys in the Jones suit. When they did not get Ms. Broaddrick’s cooperation, Ken Starr pursued her and convinced her to testify against the president, after giving her immunity on perjury. Ms. Broaddrick was not deposed by the House leadership or managers. Instead, wavering House members were urged to review the Independent Counsel’s still-secret files on the investigation by his office of her accusation.

Unlike most of the voices raised on Ms. Broaddrick’s behalf, NOW has been working to improve women’s rights on the job for more than three decades.

Ultra conservatives are using this case to advance their long-standing political interest in weakening the president, undermining equal opportunity laws and discrediting the movement to strengthen women’s rights.

The House managers, with their Johnny-come-lately concern about sexual harassment, should join us in a campaign to strengthen the laws against it. The unreasonable time limit of only 180 days to file charges must be at least doubled. And women ought to be able to collect every penny of damages they prove in sex discrimination cases, without the existing arbitrary limit on the amount.

Those who are horrified by the reality of rape should work to pass the new Violence Against Women Act to support survivors of such violence and put more programs in place to prevent it. We must push to amend the Hate Crimes Act to cover hate crimes against women.

Traditional opponents of women’s rights need to put up or shut up.

If they care about women’s rights, then stop wasting time on unprovable charges and start working to improve the lives of women. That is what NOW has done and will continue to do.

– 30 –

Del Dolemonte on December 29, 2015 at 6:03 PM

Senator Philip Bluster on December 29, 2015 at 5:55 PM

But first, he will produce his infamous racist sign.

Christien on December 29, 2015 at 6:04 PM

Except by yourself.

The Schaef on December 29, 2015 at 5:53 PM

I’d ask for examples, but we both know you have nothing.

Tlaloc on December 29, 2015 at 6:06 PM

He’d produce the evidence, but nobody would believe him, anyway.

Sound familiar?

Christien on December 29, 2015 at 6:08 PM

If you were one of those 37 then you might care a bit more.

No, because I’d be dead.

I think it’s receiving the attention it deserves, but I can see why you would wish to down play them, since it casts your immigration, and foreign policy in a bad light, but that only makes it inflated in your opinion.

So your defense is you weren’t smart enough to figure out terrorism is no threat? Okay. I can buy that actually.

That’s right put that brown shirt on. Feels good doesn’t it? Makes you feel powerful doesn’t it?

Anyway, dinner time, so you can have the last word.

DFCtomm on December 29, 2015 at 5:54 PM

Funny how you are the one advocating a xenophobic nationalist position predicated on racism and yet you call me a brown shirt.

I’m guessing your having Corvus brachyrhynchos for dinner?

Tlaloc on December 29, 2015 at 6:09 PM

Watching tlaloc flail is like watching @DangeRussWilson run for his life from the Rams D for four quarters. Tasty.

Christien on December 29, 2015 at 6:10 PM

laughable… Mr Integrity is going to defend Trump from all the unfair attacks on him here.

Please show us one of your posts where you defend Trump from an unfair attack. dig deep.

Senator Philip Bluster on December 29, 2015 at 5:55 PM

I haven’t seen any unfair attacks on trump, but then I usually avoid his threads.

Tlaloc on December 29, 2015 at 6:10 PM

dont care

DFCtomm on December 29, 2015 at 5:55 PM

My sentiments exactly. You choose to delude yourself about polls and to justify that you lie to pollsters. Neat.

Tlaloc on December 29, 2015 at 6:11 PM

Under that line of argument, sexual harassment of an employee’s daughter would be okay, since they’re not an employee. But it isn’t, is it? So I guess that line of argument doesn’t work, huh?

GrumpyOldFart on December 29, 2015 at 5:56 PM

You’re failing to distinguish between what is legal and what is moral. Is harassing an employees daughter moral? No, of course not. is it legal? Well my guess is you’d have a hard time bringing suit successfully. Which is not to say you might not get HR to take action to head off any possible suit.

So, actually, it’s your attack that fell apart, huh?

Tlaloc on December 29, 2015 at 6:14 PM

Choke on it, Kenny, and tell us why NOW felt they had to scrub this from their own website last year, although everyone here but you already knows the answer…

Del Dolemonte on December 29, 2015 at 6:03 PM

I’ll take “I don’t care” for $200, Alex.

You didn’t seriously spend time digging that up did you?

Tlaloc on December 29, 2015 at 6:16 PM

In the right hands (Carly) these facts could be very damaging to Hillary.

talkingpoints on December 29, 2015 at 6:47 PM

‘Facts’…you keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means…

Tlaloc on December 29, 2015 at 7:16 PM

You didn’t seriously spend time digging that up did you?

Tlaloc on December 29, 2015 at 6:16 PM

Wherein Tlaloc demands that people provide evidence for their claims, only to turn around and mock people for providing a verifiable citation.

I’d ask for examples, but we both know you have nothing.

Tlaloc on December 29, 2015 at 6:06 PM

More hilarious irony: the man who for over a year has declined to provide factual support for his claims, suddenly demands examples. Doubly ironic, that demand is leveled at someone who has always stood by what he said and has repeatedly cited supporting evidence when making a claim.

Where even to begin? There were the various times you accused the GOP Congress and Reince Priebus of circulating pictures of Obama as a witch doctor, and/or making references to shooting him; there was the time you accused the GOP of embracing the KKK; there was the time you accused Mike Huckabee of cherry-picking statistics when he cited an article written by someone else. And that’s to say nothing of the countless times you have falsely accused me of lying and of saying things that I never said.

It takes some serious audacity to stand there and say I have no examples of you making false accusations against people on the other side of the aisle.

The Schaef on December 29, 2015 at 7:48 PM

…Trumps sexist remarks…” At least he did not say he chose his employees from binders full of women looking for jobs like that Mormon Mitt Romney who lived in the black and white picture world of the 1950’s and wants to take away women’s contraception…

Honestly, Bill Clinton prolly said lots of sexist things to the women he harassed. Like, “you oughtta put some ice on that eye…”

Fleuries on December 29, 2015 at 7:50 PM

Wherein Tlaloc demands that people provide evidence for their claims, only to turn around and mock people for providing a verifiable citation.

Except I never demanded proof, I just pointed out you have none, and what he provided wasn’t proof of anything except that NOW took down an article from their website. SHOCKING!

I get that you are just dying to show me up but given how badly that’s gone for you every time up to now, maybe you should just quit while behind?

More hilarious irony: the man who for over a year has declined to provide factual support for his claims, suddenly demands examples. Doubly ironic, that demand is leveled at someone who has always stood by what he said and has repeatedly cited supporting evidence when making a claim.

Where even to begin? There were the various times you accused the GOP Congress and Reince Priebus of circulating pictures of Obama as a witch doctor, and/or making references to shooting him; there was the time you accused the GOP of embracing the KKK; there was the time you accused Mike Huckabee of cherry-picking statistics when he cited an article written by someone else. And that’s to say nothing of the countless times you have falsely accused me of lying and of saying things that I never said.

It takes some serious audacity to stand there and say I have no examples of you making false accusations against people on the other side of the aisle.

The Schaef on December 29, 2015 at 7:48 PM

Again I didn’t demand you provide them, I pointed out you don’t have them.

And are you still harping on your refusal to acknowledge that I provided you exactly what I said I would? You refusing to see it and pretending I said I’d give you something else is, once more, not my problem.

Please don’t take this as an invitation to act like a whiny heartbroken stalker again.

Tlaloc on December 29, 2015 at 7:56 PM

‘Facts’…you keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means…

Tlaloc on December 29, 2015 at 7:16 PM

Did you actually read any of the links?

You do know Hillary is on tape bragging about lying to get the rapist she defended off, right?

talkingpoints on December 29, 2015 at 7:57 PM

He raped Eileen Wellstone, which is why he, a Rhodes Scholar, was asked to leave Oxford.

Lime in the Coconut on December 29, 2015 at 5:06 PM

If you had evidence you should take it to the authorities. If you don’t then you should stop asserting you know what happened.

Tlaloc on December 29, 2015 at 5:17 PM

Statute of limitations. There was a reason that Clinton was asked to leave Oxford and it had to do with Eileen Wellstong.

Lime in the Coconut on December 29, 2015 at 7:59 PM

Dreadloc is such a maroon.
I would have had fun correcting his inanities, but I had things to do this afternoon.

22044 on December 29, 2015 at 8:01 PM

I am a whiny heartbroken stalker again.

Tlaloc on December 29, 2015 at 7:56 PM

Well, OK…just this one. The projection is still strong. :)

22044 on December 29, 2015 at 8:05 PM

Hillary signed an affidavit swearing that the 12 year old had a history of making false accusations and fantasized about older men.

There is no support for such a claim.

It’s not like Hillary has a track record of lying or anything./

talkingpoints on December 29, 2015 at 8:10 PM

From the wikipedia entry:

Broaddrick first met Clinton when he made a visit to her nursing home during his 1978 gubernatorial campaign. Broaddrick wanted to volunteer for the campaign, and says Clinton invited her to stop by the campaign office in Little Rock.[3] She contacted the office a few weeks later while in the area for a nursing home conference. Clinton said he would not be in the campaign office that day and suggested they meet at her hotel’s coffee shop instead. Upon his arrival, however, he allegedly requested that they instead have coffee in her room to avoid a crowd of reporters in the lobby. Broaddrick agreed.[2]

Broaddrick says the two spoke briefly in her room, with Clinton describing plans to renovate a prison visible from her window if he became governor. Then, according to Broaddrick, Clinton suddenly kissed her.[2] Broaddrick says she pushed Clinton away and told him she was married and not interested, but he persisted. As recounted in the NBC interview:[2]

Then he tries to kiss me again. And the second time he tries to kiss me he starts biting my lip … He starts to, um, bite on my top lip and I tried to pull away from him. And then he forces me down on the bed. And I just was very frightened, and I tried to get away from him and I told him ‘No,’ that I didn’t want this to happen but he wouldn’t listen to me. … It was a real panicky, panicky situation. I was even to the point where I was getting very noisy, you know, yelling to ‘Please stop.’ And that’s when he pressed down on my right shoulder and he would bite my lip. … When everything was over with, he got up and straightened himself, and I was crying at the moment and he walks to the door, and calmly puts on his sunglasses. And before he goes out the door he says ‘You better get some ice on that.’ And he turned and went out the door.”

When asked if there was any way Clinton could have thought it was consensual, Broaddrick said “No, not with what I told him and with how I tried to push him away. It was not consensual.”[2]

Broaddrick shared the hotel room with her friend and employee Norma Rodgers. Rodgers attended a conference seminar that morning, and says she returned to their room to find Broaddrick on the bed “in a state of shock,” her pantyhose torn in the crotch and her lip swollen as though she had been hit.[3] Rogers says Broaddrick told her Clinton had “forced himself on her.”[3] Rogers helped Broaddrick ice her lip, and then the women left Little Rock. Rogers said that Broaddrick was very upset on the way home and blamed herself for letting Clinton in the room.[2]

Broaddrick did not recall the date of the alleged incident, but said it was spring of 1978 and that she had stayed in the Camelot Hotel. Records show Broaddrick attended a nursing home meeting at the Camelot Hotel in Little Rock on April 25, 1978.[2][4] The Clinton White House would not respond to requests for Clinton’s official schedule for the date,[5] but news reports suggest that he was in Little Rock that day, with no official commitments in the morning.[2]

Three weeks after the alleged assault, Broaddrick participated in a small Clinton fundraiser at the home of a local dentist.[2] Broaddrick said she was “in denial,” and felt guilty, thinking that she had given Clinton the wrong idea by letting him into her room.[2] When she arrived at the event, she says, her friend who had picked the Clintons up from the airport told her that Hillary Clinton had asked if she would be at the event.[6] Broaddrick says Mr. Clinton did not speak to her at the event, but Mrs. Clinton approached her, took her hand, and said ‘I just want you to know how much Bill and I appreciate what you do for him.”[6] When Broaddrick moved her hand away, she says, Mrs. Clinton held on to her and said “Do you understand? Everything that you do.”[6] Broaddrick says she felt nauseous and left the gathering. Broaddrick says she interpreted the incident as Mrs. Clinton thanking her for keeping quiet.[6]

talkingpoints on December 29, 2015 at 8:14 PM

And are you still harping on your refusal to acknowledge that I provided you exactly what I said I would? You refusing to see it and pretending I said I’d give you something else is, once more, not my problem.

I didn’t say anything about what you said you would give me. I only said you have not provided evidence to support your false accusations.

Notably, you once again neglect to provide any evidence to support your false accusations.

Please don’t take this as an invitation to act like a whiny heartbroken stalker again.

Tlaloc on December 29, 2015 at 7:56 PM

Another false accusation. In the instances you reference by this jab, I greeted you warmly, asked for information, and ended the post with no further elaboration. This is at least the fourth time I have pointed this out.

It’s one thing to be unable to stand by the things that you say. Why do you have to lie about someone else’s actions to compound your problem with the facts?

The Schaef on December 29, 2015 at 8:16 PM

Again I didn’t demand you provide them, I pointed out you don’t have them.

Tlaloc on December 29, 2015 at 7:56 PM

This, by the way, is a distinction without a difference. Saying that a person’s claim has no merit without evidence has no difference in substance from what I said.

The Schaef on December 29, 2015 at 8:18 PM

A long and ugly history as a sexual predator.

Juanita isn’t the only one: Bill Clinton’s long history of sexual violence against women dates back some 30 years

(Editor’s Note: The following story is an update of previously-published information and contains some new material.)

By Daniel J. Harris
& Teresa Hampton
Capitol Hill Blue

Women have been charging Bill Clinton with sexual assault since his days as a Rhodes Scholar at Oxford 30 years ago.

Eileen Wellstone, 19-year-old English woman who said Clinton sexually assaulted her after she met him at a pub near the Oxford where the future President was a student in 1969. A retired State Department employee, who asked not to be identified, confirmed that he spoke with the family of the girl and filed a report with his superiors. Clinton admitted having sex with the girl, but claimed it was consensual. The victim’s family declined to pursue the case;
In 1972, a 22-year-old woman told campus police at Yale University that she was sexually assaulted by Clinton, a law student at the college. No charges were filed, but retired campus policemen contacted by Capitol Hill Blue confirmed the incident. The woman, tracked down by Capitol Hill Blue last week, confirmed the incident, but declined to discuss it further and would not give permission to use her name;
In 1974, a female student at the University of Arkansas complained that then-law school instructor Bill Clinton tried to prevent her from leaving his office during a conference. She said he groped her and forced his hand inside her blouse. She complained to her faculty advisor who confronted Clinton, but Clinton claimed the student ”came on” to him. The student left the school shortly after the incident. Reached at her home in Texas, the former student confirmed the incident, but declined to go on the record with her account. Several former students at the University have confirmed the incident in confidential interviews and said there were other reports of Clinton attempting to force himself on female students;
Broaddrick, a volunteer in Clinton’s gubernatorial campaign, said he raped her in 1978. Mrs. Broaddrick suffered a bruised and torn lip, which she said she suffered when Clinton bit her during the rape;
From 1978-1980, during Clinton’s first term as governor of Arkansas, state troopers assigned to protect the governor were aware of at least seven complaints from women who said Clinton forced, or attempted to force, himself on them sexually. One retired state trooper said in an interview that the common joke among those assigned to protect Clinton was “who’s next?”. One former state trooper said other troopers would often escort women to the governor’s hotel room after political events, often more than one an evening;
Carolyn Moffet, a legal secretary in Little Rock in 1979, said she met then-governor Clinton at a political fundraiser and shortly thereafter received an invitation to meet the governor in his hotel room. “I was escorted there by a state trooper. When I went in, he was sitting on a couch, wearing only an undershirt. He pointed at his penis and told me to suck it. I told him I didn’t even do that for my boyfriend and he got mad, grabbed my head and shoved it into his lap. I pulled away from him and ran out of the room.”
Elizabeth Ward, the Miss Arkansas who won the Miss America crown in 1982, told friends she was forced by Clinton to have sex with him shortly after she won her state crown. Last year, Ward, who is now married with the last name of Gracen (from her first marriage), told an interviewer she did have sex with Clinton but said it was consensual. Close friends of Ward, however, say she still maintains privately that Clinton forced himself on her.
Paula Corbin, an Arkansas state worker, filed a sexual harassment case against Clinton after an encounter in a Little Rock hotel room where the then-governor exposed himself and demanded oral sex. Clinton settled the case with Jones recently with an $850,000 cash payment.
Sandra Allen James, a former Washington, DC, political fundraiser says Presidential candidate-to-be Clinton invited her to his hotel room during a political trip to the nation’s capital in 1991, pinned her against the wall and stuck his hand up her dress. She says she screamed loud enough for the Arkansas State Trooper stationed outside the hotel suite to bang on the door and ask if everything was all right, at which point Clinton released her and she fled the room. When she reported the incident to her boss, he advised her to keep her mouth shut if she wanted to keep working. Miss James has since married and left Washington. Reached at her home last week, the former Miss James said she later learned that other women suffered the same fate at Clinton’s hands when he was in Washington during his Presidential run.
Christy Zercher, a flight attendant on Clinton’s leased campaign plane in 1992, says Presidential candidate Clinton exposed himself to her, grabbed her breasts and made explicit remarks about oral sex. A video shot on board the plane by ABC News shows an obviously inebriated Clinton with his hand between another young flight attendant’s legs. Zercher said later in an interview that White House attorney Bruce Lindsey tried to pressure her into not going public about the assault.
Kathleen Willey, a White House volunteer, reported that Clinton grabbed her, fondled her breast and pressed her hand against his genitals during an Oval Office meeting in November, 1993. Willey, who told her story in a 60 Minutes interview, became a target of a White House-directed smear campaign after she went public.
In an interview with Capitol Hill Blue, the retired State Department employee said he believed the story Miss Wellstone, the young English woman who said Clinton raped her in 1969.

”There was no doubt in my mind that this young woman had suffered severe emotional trauma,” he said. ”But we were under tremendous pressure to avoid the embarrassment of having a Rhodes Scholar charged with rape. I filed a report with my superiors and that was the last I heard of it.”

Miss Wellstone, who is now married and lives near London, confirmed the incident when contacted this week, but refused to discuss the matter further. She said she would not go public with further details of the attack. Afterwards, she changed her phone number and hired a barrister who warned a reporter to stay away from his client.

In his book, Unlimited Access, former FBI agent Gary Aldrich reported that Clinton left Oxford University for a “European Tour” in 1969 and was told by University officials that he was no longer welcome there. Aldrich said Clinton’s academic record at Oxford was lackluster. Clinton later accepted a scholarship for Yale Law School and did not complete his studies at Oxford.

The State Department official who investigated the incident said Clinton’s interests appeared to be drinking, drugs and sex, not studies.

“I came away from the incident with the clear impression that this was a young man who was there to party, not study,” he said.

Oxford officials refused comment. The State Department also refused to comment on the incident. A Freedom of Information request filed by Capitol Hill Blue failed to turn up any records of the incident.

Capitol Hill Blue also spoke with the former Miss James, the Washington fundraiser who confirmed the encounter with Clinton at the Four Seasons Hotel in Washington, but first said she would not appear publicly because anyone who does so is destroyed by the Clinton White House.

”My husband and children deserve better than that,” she said when first contacted two weeks ago. After reading the Broaddrick story Friday, however, she called back and gave permission to use her maiden name, but said she had no intention of pursuing the matter.

“I wasn’t raped, but I was trapped in a hotel room for a brief moment by a boorish man,” she said. “I got away. He tried calling me several times after that, but I didn’t take his phone calls. Then he stopped. I guess he moved on.”

But Miss James also retreated from public view this week after other news organizations contacted her.

The former Miss Moffet, the legal secretary who says Clinton tried to force her into oral sex in 1979, has since married and left the state. She says that when she told her boyfriend, who was a lawyer and supporter of Clinton, about the incident, he told her to keep her mouth shut.

“He said that people who crossed the governor usually regretted it and that if I knew what was good for me I’d forget that it ever happened,” she said. “I haven’t forgotten it. You don’t forget crude men like that.”

Like two other women, the former Miss Moffet declined further interviews. A neighbor said she had received threatening phone calls.

The other encounters were confirmed with more than 30 interviews with retired Arkansas state employees, former state troopers and former Yale and University of Arkansas students. Like others, they refused to go public because of fears of retaliation from the Clinton White House.

And these are the ones that we know about.

talkingpoints on December 29, 2015 at 8:21 PM

HOw about this?
Don’t cross the Clintons when it comes to Bill screwing around.

GARY JOHNSON: Looking at someone in front of my door, it got a perfect shot of them in front of Gennifer Flowers’ condominium, and it wasn’t my intention ever to take pictures of Bill Clinton going in to see Gennifer Flowers. I could care less who Bill Clinton goes to see. But it just so happened she lived next door to me and I mounted the camera there. LARRY NICHOLS: Guess what he caught on tape? Bill Clinton walking into Gennifer Flowers’ apartment on numerous occasions — with a key. GARY JOHNSON: I actually saw him go into her condominium. It wasn’t that I was standing there looking out my peep hole, watching Gennifer Flowers’ condominium. It had nothing to do with Bill Clinton, it’s just that I had got, I had got the camera. I had the camera before Gennifer Flowers moved in and when she moved in she just happened to have some very interesting house guests. LARRY NICHOLS: Go back to 60 Minutes when Bill and Hillary were love and kisses. They stood up and lied, and Bill said that he’d never been to her apartment, that he’d only called her once from the kitchen and from his office. That’s an absolute lie, and these tapes proved it. NARRATOR: THE 60 MINUTES INTERVIEW HAD BEEN DESIGNED SPECIFICALLY TO SAVE CLINTON’S CAMPAIGN, NOT NECESSARILY TO GET TO THE TRUTH. DON HEWITT (Executive Producer, “60 Minutes”): And they came to us because they were in big trouble in New Hampshire. They were about to lose right there and they needed some first aid. They needed some bandaging. What they needed was a paramedic. So they came to us and we did it and that’s what they wanted to do. When I told Tim Russer that I was persona-non-grata at the White House, he said, “Why?” I said, “The Gennifer Flowers interview.” He said, “You got him the nomination.” I said, “I know that.” As far as I know from the conversations I’ve had, Bernie Nussbaum knew that, Gergen knows that, Lloyd Cutler certainly knows it ’cause Lloyd had a hand in his coming on that night. You know it was strong medicine the way I edited it but he was a very sick candidate. He needed very strong medicine, and I’m not in the business of doctoring candidates but he got up out of a sick bed that night and walked to the nomination and as I said to Mandy, “You know if I’d edited it your way, you know where you’d be today? You’d still be up in New Hampshire looking for the nomination.” He became the candidate that night. JUDGE JIM JOHNSON: When the Gennifer Flowers story broke, that story was a hundred times more credible than the story that literally knocked Gary Hart out of the campaign. GARY JOHNSON: I’d been Gennifer Flowers’ neighbor, I knew that Bill Clinton wasn’t telling the truth about that. Bill Clinton, I think, would do just about anything to, to save his political hide. LARRY NICHOLS: He got threatening phone calls. He asked me, he said, “Will they hurt me?” I said, “Well, they haven’t hurt me.” And I don’t know why I didn’t worry more about that. GARY JOHNSON: Basically what they said was, “You mind your own business,” and all it did was made me mad. I never thought in a million years that anybody would follow up on it. LARRY NICHOLS: We filed the request for the subpoenas on Thursday. Saturday morning we found Gary Johnson beaten and left for dead. And without getting into gory details, both elbows were dislocated, his collar bones were broken, his spleen and his bladder were ruptured with holes the size of half dollars in them. His nose, his sinus cavities were all crushed. He had been beaten by Clinton’s people. INTERVIEWER: Were they very large? GARY JOHNSON: Yes, (laugh), yes they were. INTERVIEWER: Did they say, “Where’s the tape?” GARY JOHNSON: Yes, they asked me for the tape. LARRY NICHOLS: Now what’s sick is the man gave them the tapes, and then they went and broke his elbows, punctured his spleen, punctured his bladder. GARY JOHNSON: They looked like state troopers, I’ll say that. Clinton can be a very dangerous individual in the state of Arkansas

It’s from 1984 arkansas mother of the year blogspot

talkingpoints on December 29, 2015 at 8:30 PM

Tialoc, gripes, you’re a master water carrier.

CWforFreedom on December 29, 2015 at 10:00 PM

Watching tlaloc flail is like watching @DangeRussWilson run for his life from the Rams D for four quarters. Tasty.

Christien on December 29, 2015 at 6:10 PM

Or as Pete Carroll said at the end of the Super Bowl,

“OH NO!!!!!”

Del Dolemonte on December 29, 2015 at 10:13 PM

The C-BS affiliate in Boston just showed a clip of Hilario from earlier tonight, sitting down for a formal Democrat Media Servicing.

Their shots showed her from the waist down. How did she add so much weight in the past few months? She can give Chris Christie a run for his money now! In fact, if she became Co-pResident right now, she’d be the fattest.

If she were a Rethuglican, she would be called “Old and Fat”.

Oldie:

Bill Clinton
42nd President (1993-2001)
230 pounds, BMI 28.3

“The good news is, my husband loves to eat and enjoys it,” Hillary Clinton told The New York Times in 1992. “The bad news is, he loves to eat, even when things are not always right for him.” President Clinton’s diet included everything from cheeseburgers and ribs to McDonald’s and Kool-Aid. He tried making some healthy changes during his presidency, adding soy burgers, salmon, and stir fry vegetables to the White House menu. But in just 2 years, between 1997 and 1999, he plumped up by 18 pounds, according to his personal physician.

Things went from bad to worse. In 2004, the 58-year-old Clinton had quadruple bypass surgery. A heart stent replacement followed in 2010. Inspired by surgeon and heart health expert Dr. Caldwell Esselstyn, who recommends not eating “anything with a mother or a face,” Clinton became a strict vegan. As he told CNN’s Wolf Blitzer in 2010, “I went on essentially a plant-based diet. I live on beans, legumes, vegetables, and fruits.” He also drinks a protein shake with almond milk every morning, and avoids all meat, dairy, and eggs. The former president claims he lost 30 pounds on the diet, and today weighs what he did in high school.

FAT-

Del Dolemonte on December 30, 2015 at 1:53 AM

WaPo’s Marcus: Let’s face it, Bill Clinton’s predatory behavior is much worse than Trump’s sexist remarks

Bravo! Nice catch, Ed.

UPNorthWolf on December 30, 2015 at 4:17 AM

Hillary signed an affidavit swearing that the 12 year old had a history of making false accusations and fantasized about older men.

There is no support for such a claim.

It’s not like Hillary has a track record of lying or anything./

talkingpoints on December 29, 2015 at 8:10 PM

Your links have been formatted incorrectly, like this: http://http//www.dailykos.com/story/2008/2/24/463280/-

instead of this: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/2/24/463280/-

And that link itself was bad, here is a good one for it from the Internet Archive:

Wow, Clinton Attacked 12-Year Old Rape Victim’s Credibility

In a breathtaking story published today in Newsday, details of Hillary Clinton’s involvement in a decades-old rape case in Arkansas comes under close scrutiny.

It is really worth reading the whole well-sourced article, but here is the upshot:

Two years into her career of making change and having Day One-readying experience, 27 year old Hillary Rodham was appointed a public defender in a rape case, and played out deep in the gray areas of morality by attacking the 12-year old victim’s credibility. Though nobody involved in the case can recall a shred of evidence that the victim had any sort of history of making false claims, Hillary argued it as a centerpiece of her case anyway. And conveniently omitted this aspect of the case from her 2003 book, “Living History.” …

Anti-ControI on December 30, 2015 at 7:13 AM

Judging by his appearance, I can’t help but wonder if Bill Clinton’s past sexual peccadilloes have caught up with him. I wouldn’t be surprised to hear an announcement after the elections that he is HIV positive or has AIDS.

MsYoung on December 30, 2015 at 7:18 AM

Judging by his appearance, I can’t help but wonder if Bill Clinton’s past sexual peccadilloes have caught up with him. I wouldn’t be surprised to hear an announcement after the elections that he is HIV positive or has AIDS.

MsYoung on December 30, 2015 at 7:18 AM

I’ve been saying for awhile now that it’s no accident they’ve been keeping him “under wraps.” When he does make an appearance lately he looks terrible, old beyond his years – he’s only 69 – and not “the same” man. I wasn’t thinking HIV, my thoughts were early stage dementia. It’s possible to “hide” this condition for awhile if he’s not pressed too hard.

ncinca on December 30, 2015 at 9:42 AM

I wasn’t thinking HIV, my thoughts were early stage dementia.

Although those with known history of cheese fries in the the coronary arteries frequently also have similarly compromised cerebral blood flow that can lead to dementia signs and symptoms, a frequently overlooked cause of dementia in those known to have been engaged in risky sexual practices is HIV Associated Dementia.

F X Muldoon on December 30, 2015 at 10:31 AM

Where’s the popcorn? More popcorn please!

Scorched_Earth on December 30, 2015 at 1:11 PM

Here’s a funny SNL skit from 1993. Couldn’t find the video to link to, but this was common humor during Clinton years.

https://t.co/MOZkYNxe7S

pilsener on December 30, 2015 at 6:24 PM

Far too many folks have forgotten what Ross Perot wrought…….

This is merely the 2015 – 2016 version of the same old wine in the brand new same old blathering bottle (today’s crappy toupee’ notwithstanding)

Makes me shudder to consider Hildebeast ANYWHERE besides PRISON or the freakin GALLOWS

Katfish on December 31, 2015 at 2:49 AM

Once Hillary is sworn in as President, she will immediately assign a Navy Seal-Team to watch over her husband 24 hours a day, 365 days a year. They will patrol all of the White House including the Oval Office. Each woman working in the White House will have a fully armed escort with her at all times. This highly disciplined military escort will also shut off the illegal foreign-money bribes from getting into the Clinton Foundation. By doing this the Clinton’s will be able to avoid all of the same political-disasters which were part of their first eight years in the White House; James Riady, Marc Rich, Monica Lewinsky, etc. etc.

Bugdust172 on January 2, 2016 at 1:46 PM

Hillary says you are rude if you ask her the wrong question. Like
R = Raping
U = underling
D = Democratic
E = Executives
Guess she knows.

She wants equality until she is treated equally

pwb on January 4, 2016 at 9:49 AM

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