Rubio: Hey, I was hoping that House conservatives would improve the Gang of Eight amnesty bill

posted at 7:01 pm on December 29, 2015 by Allahpundit

Like Drew McCoy, I must call BS here. Via BuzzFeed:

“For 30 years, this country’s been debating immigration and nothing is done on it. And so I figured, let’s try to get something going in the Senate, the best possible, given the fact that Harry Reid controls the Senate. We’ll then send it to the House, run by conservatives, and they’re going to make it a good bill,” Rubio said. “And then we’ll present it to the president and say, if you want to act on immigration, here’s the Republican offer. Take it or leave it.”

Conway then asked Rubio if he felt like he was “conned,” to which Rubio replied, “No, look, at the end of the day, I knew that what was being produced in the Senate was not what ultimately needed to become law. It most certainly was the best we could do under the circumstances we faced at the time because Harry Reid was the majority leader. And the hope was we could make it as strong as possible and then get the House to do something better.”

On what planet was a more conservative immigration bill somehow going to pass the House and Senate? As Rubio says, Democrats controlled the Senate at that point with 54 votes. The Gang of Eight was a reflection of the reality that only a delicate bipartisan compromise with goodies for both sides (but mainly for liberals) could possibly hope to reach 60 votes, which it did. Anything that came back from the House with some of the Democratic treats, like a path to citizenship, stripped out would have been DOA in the Senate. As Ted Cruz would eagerly tell you, that was the whole point of his amendment to the bill at the time: He wanted citizenship out in exchange for more work permits. The Democratic Senate, with help from Republican supporters like Rubio, shot it down. Obama and Harry Reid were less than nine months removed at the time from a huge Democratic victory in the 2012 elections which the smart set had blamed on the GOP’s brutally bad showing with Latino voters. Why, under those circumstances, would they have agreed to make their bill more conservative instead of offering a nervous John Boehner a take-it-or-leave-it deal?

The dirty little not-so-secret secret of the 2013 immigration process, which Rubio has known all along, is that there were surely 218 votes in the House for the Gang of Eight bill. There were 200 Democrats in the chamber that year; even if, say, 30 had voted no, Boehner still would have needed fewer than 50 centrist Republicans to bite the bullet and vote yes to make a majority. (If the House voted by secret ballot, I’d bet the bill would have been well north of 300 yays.) Whether or not it passed depended entirely on how badly Boehner himself wanted it to. Was he prepared to risk a ferocious backlash from the right and a possible end to his Speakership by ramming it through, knowing that the GOP’s donor class would exult and pundits would proclaim that Republicans had finally “learned their lesson” from the 2012 election? Nope, as it turned out. Boehner wasn’t ready to lose his job yet. That was ultimately the most damaging thing to happen to Rubio during the Gang of Eight saga, I think. If Boehner and 50 or so RINOs had passed the bill, they would have become the main lightning rod for conservative upset instead of Rubio. The bill would now be implemented as law and Rubio would inevitably be pointing to some of the security improvements at the border as “proof” that it was a great idea and that it just needs time to work. He’d be the darling of the donor class, the Latino star who’d manage to achieve what even George W. Bush couldn’t. Jeb might not even have run. Conservatives would still be angry with Rubio but he’d be treating the bill as a legit achievement. Instead he wants you to believe that the Gang of Eight plan was simply a sort of opening offer to the House to which he’d hoped they’d counter. It wasn’t, and immigration reform never could have worked that way. It was take-it-or-leave-it from the beginning. Rubio wanted them to take it.

Ask yourself this. If Rubio was hoping for a more conservative bill from the House and a long process of negotiation between the two chambers, why would he have said this in August 2013, two months after the Gang of Eight bill passed?

Stalling on Capitol Hill might force the president’s hand, the Florida Republican said. That could result in a mass legalization of undocumented immigrants without any of the reforms included in the Senate-passed immigration bill that Rubio played a key role in writing and negotiating. Rubio said continued delay in Congress could create a scenario in which the nation misses out on his bill’s technological advances along the border with Mexico, drones, cameras, more Border Patrol agents and a national E-Verify system…

“I believe that this president will be tempted, if nothing happens in Congress, he will be tempted to issue an executive order like he did for the DREAM Act kids a year ago, where he basically legalizes 11 million people by the sign of a pen. Now, we won’t get an E-Verify, we won’t get any border security. But he’ll legalize them,” the Florida senator told Tallahassee radio host Preston Scott.

He wasn’t wrong about that — King Barack did indeed end up legalizing millions of illegals by royal decree in November 2014 — but why was Rubio using that argument to twist the House’s arm while Boehner was debating what to do in the summer of 2013? If Obama’s likely reaction to congressional inaction would have been to legalize illegals summarily, presumably he would have reacted the same way if the House had countered with a more conservative immigration bill (almost certainly without a path to citizenship, a dealbreaker for Dems) and deadlocked with the Senate. The clear thrust of “act soon or else Obama will” from Rubio was that the only action that might avert executive amnesty was passing the Gang of Eight bill expeditiously. In which case, what’s Rubio talking about when he says he hoped the House would come back with a bill better than the one the Senate had produced? And what on earth does he mean in the first excerpt above when he says he wanted Republicans at the time to make a take-it-or-leave-it offer to Obama? The whole point of his “act soon or else Obama will” argument was that Republicans were in no position to make that kind of offer. Good lord.

Exit question via Erick Erickson: Does Rubio have a path to the nomination by cleaning up in blue states, which come later in the primary calendar this year? In theory he could lose New Hampshire, South Carolina, etc, and still surge into the delegate lead as the weeks roll by and more centrist Republican electorates, like New York’s and California’s, start voting. If he can hang around the race, he’s well positioned. But that’s a big if, as Erickson concedes; without any early wins, the storyline on Rubio will quickly become “disappointment.” I’d add that the same logic about moderate blue states that might keep Rubio going is also likely to keep Trump going. Trump might lose Iowa and the SEC primary to Cruz, but why wouldn’t he hang in there to compete in delegate-rich less conservative states like his home state of New York? Unless Trump underperforms badly early on, he has every incentive to think he can come back against Cruz by continuing to run hard in blue states. Which leaves Rubio … where?


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MarshFox

Schadenfreude on December 30, 2015 at 1:01 PM

History is made by oaths, handshakes and bows. Christie defined himself with a hug. Rubio’s fate was sealed sharing a stage with the grinning serpent Schumer. At that instant we knew Rubio. Everything else he does or says is commentary.

virgo on December 30, 2015 at 1:03 PM

HOT AIR founder Michelle Malkin

And I think largely, in the course of my career in daily opinion journalism and then also in new media over the span of a quarter-century, the reluctance, the unwillingness, and the ideological opposition to covering the impact on American workers and American citizens of the vast plethora of immigration and entrance policies is probably one of the most alarming effects, I think, of the left-leaning media. And I think it speaks to a lot of problems in journalism in general.

http://cis.org/PanelTranscripts/Betrayal-Best-Brightest

Hot Air is not covering the effects on workers of immigration. It is all support for legal immigration for coporate overlords.

Mormontheman on December 30, 2015 at 1:12 PM

Rubio is a liar of the worst kind.

jukin3 on December 30, 2015 at 1:18 PM

OT, or not, but made my day!

Schadenfreude on December 30, 2015 at 3:19 PM

Nice post Allah. Two points. Boehner was well known for bucking the chamber on the gang of eight. He understood passing it in the House would be the death knell of the current GOP majority. Boehner was never going to bring that bill to the floor, period. Rubio showed his inexperience and arrogance in pushing the immigration bill. There was no chance(no matter what you write Allah) for passage. Most Democrats were against it, they saw it as electoral death. The GOP Senate was appalled that a freshmen Senator could get suckered so easy over the hottest issue in American politics. When Rubio realized(very only on) he had been played, he should have withdrawal his support. But his ego refused to let him do that, so he kept digging. Stupid. Boehner is the real hero here.(Shocking, I know.) He alone shut down the immigration bill, and saved this country an unknown amount of grief. Even the one eyed man…..

flackcatcher on December 30, 2015 at 3:30 PM

This is a small four url list of news articles citing Ted Cruz as fighting Rubio’s Gang of Eight. I am doing a major research project fishing up evidence, feel free to use these against the Rubio people.

http://cdn.rollcall.com/news/cruz_does_boehner_no_favors-230795-1.html?popular=true&cdn_load=true&zkPrintable=1&nopagination=1 Look at the date of this article

If that is not enough here is a http://hotair.com/archives/2014/05/02/quotes-of-the-day-1719/ HotAir Quotes of the Day which backs Ted Cruz up as a spoiler against Amnesty and illegal immigration.

This is from http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/12/john-cornyn-immigration-amendment_n_3428949.html 2013 when the fight was center stage and Ted Cruz and John Cornyn are specifically named by John McCain as setting up a poison pill. The first of many such poison pills.

Another 2013 Article lists a bunch of the http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2013/05/08/ted-cruz-seeks-to-ban-illegal-immigrants-in-us-from-citizenship Poison Pills Ted Cruz was inserting

This project is undergoing at this time, but again feel free to use the links :)

OregonPolitician on December 30, 2015 at 4:47 PM

am I banned from posting? Or is something wrong with the page?

OregonPolitician on December 30, 2015 at 4:47 PM

This is a small four url list of news articles citing Ted Cruz as fighting Rubio’s Gang of Eight. I am doing a major research project fishing up evidence, feel free to use these against the Rubio people.

http://cdn.rollcall.com/news/cruz_does_boehner_no_favors-230795-1.html?popular=true&cdn_load=true&zkPrintable=1&nopagination=1 Look at the date of this article

OregonPolitician on December 30, 2015 at 4:47 PM

If that is not enough here is a http://hotair.com/archives/2014/05/02/quotes-of-the-day-1719/ HotAir Quotes of the Day which backs Ted Cruz up as a spoiler against Amnesty and illegal immigration.

OregonPolitician on December 30, 2015 at 4:48 PM

This is from http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/12/john-cornyn-immigration-amendment_n_3428949.html 2013 when the fight was center stage and Ted Cruz and John Cornyn are specifically named by John McCain as setting up a poison pill. The first of many such poison pills.

Another 2013 Article lists a bunch of the http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2013/05/08/ted-cruz-seeks-to-ban-illegal-immigrants-in-us-from-citizenship Poison Pills Ted Cruz was inserting

OregonPolitician on December 30, 2015 at 4:48 PM

There it goes, had to do it peicemeal, idk why… but hey let us have fun showing Ted Cruz was sabotaging the Gang of Eight

OregonPolitician on December 30, 2015 at 4:49 PM

If Rubio gets the nod for the GOPe;

1. I and millions like me will not vote for him or any GOPe down ticket candidates. And really, the GOPe has been worse than Reid and Pelosi.

2. We get amnesty. if the fascist donks win, the GOPe will give it to the donk prezzy. If Rubio wins he will demand it.

jukin3 on December 30, 2015 at 5:19 PM

am I banned from posting? Or is something wrong with the page?

OregonPolitician on December 30, 2015 at 4:47 PM

Three links per comment.

Axe on December 30, 2015 at 6:23 PM

I just destroyed Rubio

https://www.facebook.com/notes/michael-harrington/marco-rubio-the-man-who-lied/1452265461457370

For those who can use FB ;)

The post is set to public, anyone should be able to see it. Yeah I am going to put that old dog down for his biting the American public!

OregonPolitician on December 30, 2015 at 6:28 PM

Three links per comment.

Axe on December 30, 2015 at 6:23 PM

Incl. the one linked to the nom.

Schadenfreude on December 30, 2015 at 6:52 PM

Axe on December 30, 2015 at 6:23 PM

Thanks Axe, very kind of you sir, may your edge be ever sharp

OregonPolitician on December 30, 2015 at 6:53 PM

Thanks Axe, very kind of you sir, may your edge be ever sharp

OregonPolitician on December 30, 2015 at 6:53 PM

Heh. :)

H/T

Axe on December 30, 2015 at 6:58 PM

Incl. the one linked to the nom.

Schadenfreude on December 30, 2015 at 6:52 PM

the crystal method - weapons of mass distortion

Totally Batsh!t Crazy: The Six Most Insane People To Ever Run For President

@SpongePuppy

Axe on December 30, 2015 at 7:10 PM

3 + Nick

Axe on December 30, 2015 at 7:11 PM

flackcatcher on December 30, 2015 at 3:30 PM

Bullcrap. A spineless jellyfish does not have a spine

Brock Robamney on December 30, 2015 at 7:12 PM

damn, I forgot to spam myself again

Axe on December 30, 2015 at 7:15 PM

There it goes, had to do it peicemeal, idk why… but hey let us have fun showing Ted Cruz was sabotaging the Gang of Eight

OregonPolitician on December 30, 2015 at 4:49 PM

If Ted Cruz is against amnesty, then why is he against banning the importation of Isis refugees?

Brock Robamney on December 30, 2015 at 7:17 PM

Brock Robamney on December 30, 2015 at 7:17 PM

He never was against such, he was first to say it.

OregonPolitician on December 30, 2015 at 7:28 PM

If Ted Cruz is against amnesty, then why is he against banning the importation of Isis refugees?

Brock Robamney on December 30, 2015 at 7:17 PM

1st bill:

Sen. Ted Cruz, R-Texas, on Tuesday introduced legislation that would allow states to opt out of President Obama’s plan to accept at least 10,000 Syrian refugees into the U.S. over the next year.

“In the event that the president wants to send refugees to a particular state, the governor has the ability to opt out,” the GOP presidential candidate said at a joint press conference with Texas Republican Gov. Greg Abbott.

The legislation will “protect the authority of the states and the authority of governors to keep their citizens safe,” he said.

2nd:

Cruz called on GOP leaders in Congress to take up and pass legislation he introduced last month that would impose a three-year moratorium on refugees coming from countries like Iraq and Syria and anywhere else where a terrorist group controls a substantial amount of territory.

3rd:

He also demanded a vote on a third bill that would require an American to forfeit their U.S. citizenship if they travel abroad to join the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria (ISIS).

http://time.com/4140502/ted-cruz-syrian-refugees-isis/

Axe on December 30, 2015 at 7:29 PM

Correction. http://www.cbsnews.com/news/cruz-files-bill-to-allow-states-to-opt-out-of-syrian-refugee-plan/

Sorry, I had multiple sources open.

Axe on December 30, 2015 at 7:30 PM

Rubio lies like a moldy piece of cheese

SpongePuppy on December 30, 2015 at 7:49 PM

Rubio wasn’t played. He was paid.

bluesdoc70 on December 30, 2015 at 8:04 PM

Rubio: Hey, I was hoping that House conservatives would improve the Gang of Eight amnesty bill

I fully understand his hope being unfulfilled.

I was hoping the GOP Congress would do ANYTHING we voted them in to do. Too bad @sshats like Rubio didn’t do anything to help my cause.

Wino on December 30, 2015 at 8:09 PM

I’m not having fun and these trolls are terribly boring.

Walter L. Newton on December 29, 2015 at 9:07 PM

There are people who actually work at not having fun. Christopher Robin’s loosely stuffed little friend, Eeyore comes to mind.

meerbock on December 30, 2015 at 8:42 PM

Rubio: Hey, I was hoping that House conservatives would improve the Gang of Eight amnesty bill

How’d that work out for you Cubanero flavored Schumer?

arnold ziffel on December 30, 2015 at 9:37 PM

Rubio will win Nevada so he will have an early win there. He will have a good enough showing in Iowa, NH, and SC. The SEC primary will be good to Cruz but after that Rubio will be able to start racking up delegates. Rubio will be there until the end of the primaries and most likely will end up being the nominee.

kurtd on December 30, 2015 at 10:38 PM

Rubio is untrustworthy.

jaime on December 30, 2015 at 10:44 PM

Rubio:
Liar, liar, pants on fire.
U and Gowdie are both NWO Open Borders Globalists.
As General Patton said: Rubio! I read your speeches….Gowdie same.
Trump for Destructor 2016…..or Cruz with a bit less trust.
Happy New Year
More popcorn and beverages please.
III/0317

Sgt Stryker on December 30, 2015 at 11:45 PM

I don’t want my grandkids to have to press 1 for English.
BeachBum on December 29, 2015 at 8:58 PM

I understand your sentiment.
However, we already get the “press 1 for English” at some California establishments, and the left’s vision is to get to: “press 2 for English”.

GaltBlvnAtty on December 31, 2015 at 1:16 AM

Rubio = LIAR…aka, Typical Politician.

golds1 on January 2, 2016 at 3:09 PM

So, let me see if I have this straight, Rubio wanted a conservative bill but wanted other conservatives to write it while he sucked up to Chuck Schumer. Is this what he is saying?? It most certainly was NOT the best we could do under the circumstances we faced at the time because Harry Reid was the majority leader. What would have been better? Doing NOTHING would have been better than what this guy voted for.

Dollayo on January 2, 2016 at 7:09 PM

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