Senate intel committee heads: No, we’re not investigating anyone for revealing classified info at last night’s debate

posted at 5:21 pm on December 16, 2015 by Allahpundit

Help me figure this out. Last night, in a punch-up over national security, Cruz defended his support for the USA Freedom Act by claiming that the old protocols under the Rubio-favored Patriot Act covered only 20-30 percent of phone numbers whereas the new protocols cover 100 percent. To which Rubio replied, “Let me be very careful when answering this, because I don’t think national television in front of 15 million people is the place to discuss classified information.” At the same time, this happened on Twitter:

Who’s Becca Glover Watkins? She’s the communications director for Sen. Richard Burr. And who’s Sen. Richard Burr? Why, he’s the head of the Senate Intelligence Committee. The clear implication from Rubio and Watkins was that Cruz had revealed something important that wasn’t supposed to be revealed. The media noticed and went running to Burr this morning. Was it true? Had Ted Cruz, whose natsec credentials are already being attacked by Rubio, blabbed about the NSA’s reach? We’re going to look into it, said Burr, fueling the fire:

“I’m having my staff look at the transcripts of the debate right now,” Sen. Richard Burr (R-N.C.), the chairman of the Intelligence Committee, told reporters. “Any time you deal with numbers … the question is, ‘Is that classified or not?’ Or is there an open source reference to it?”…

The North Carolina senator didn’t specify what — if any — consequences Cruz could face if his staff determines that the Texas Republican did discuss classified information.

“I would be a lot more worried if he was in fact a member of the committee, but to my understanding this subject matter was not one where any members outside of the committee had been briefed on it,” he said.

Burr himself didn’t see Cruz’s comment because, no joke, he was watching “The Voice” at the time. (“It was the final episode,” he told NBC.) If the intel committee’s looking into it, though, it must be reasonably serious. Hold your breath, Cruz fans.

Okay, now exhale. Because this was released just within the last two hours:

Wait, so staffers didn’t look at the transcripts? Or they did look at the transcripts and decided that what Cruz said wasn’t any sort of breach? If the latter, how did they know that without running down whether the detail about data collection among 20-30 percent of phone numbers versus 100 percent of phone numbers had been publicly revealed yet? The statement leaves it ambiguous as to whether Cruz has been cleared of wrongdoing or that no one’s bothered to check (yet).

Mark Levin is unhappy:

So is former Cruz staffer Amanda Carpenter, who wonders why Rubio was so quick to suggest a possible breach of classified information. Maybe Rubio genuinely didn’t know what was classified and what wasn’t — that can be tricky, right, Hillary? — or maybe he did it deliberately to bolster his argument that Cruz is reckless on counterterrorism. As for Burr, I don’t know how to reconcile what he said this morning about having people check on this and the statement this afternoon about the committee’s disinterest. What’s going on? Did some pro-Rubio actor nudge Burr to suggest that Cruz might have screwed up, or did some pro-Cruz actor nudge him to shut down this whole line of inquiry? Er, are there any pro-Cruz actors on Capitol Hill?

Update: As for the merits of the underlying debate, via BuzzFeed, here’s a nice boost for Cruz from a man respected by both his fans and Rubio’s. Mike Lee, who sponsored the USA Freedom Act, says Cruz is right and Rubio is wrong on whether the bill makes America less safe.


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Does anybody know if Trump thinks Paul Ryan is a loser….?

d1carter on December 16, 2015 at 5:23 PM

A GOPe nothing burger…?

d1carter on December 16, 2015 at 5:25 PM

If Rubio is on the ticket, vote against the ticket.

kunegetikos on December 16, 2015 at 5:26 PM

When The Associated Press asked Cruz’s campaign to respond to the allegations that he might have disclosed classified information, campaign spokeswoman Catherine Frazier presented reports from The Wall Street Journal and The Washington Post from last year that used similar figures.
She also included congressional testimony suggesting the US could expand the pool of calls available for screening, and said the information is “all publicly available.

onlineanalyst on December 16, 2015 at 5:26 PM

Because Obola hasn’t seen it on ESPN yet.

WryTrvllr on December 16, 2015 at 5:28 PM

LOL,how concerned is Burr over Hillary’s recklessness?

steveracer on December 16, 2015 at 5:29 PM

If Rubio is on the ticket, vote against the ticket.

kunegetikos on December 16, 2015 at 5:26 PM

This.

ghostwalker1 on December 16, 2015 at 5:29 PM

On the USA Freedom act, who do you trust more, Mike Lee or Marco Rubio?

Seriously here. Cruz has been taking heat for being legalistic on his immigration word usage, but Rubio is doing exactly the same thing on his criticism of Cruz on the USA Freedom act. Rubio goes on and on about how we used to be able to do things under the Patriot Act that we can’t anymore and implies it is because of the Freedom act. But the reality is that (A) most of that stuff expired and was never going to be reauthorized, and (B) the rest was going to be repealed one way or another.

Cruz and Lee did a good job getting a good solid bill through Congress and all Rubio can do is wail about how he wishes it did more. But his invade-everything-and-spy-on-Americans wing of the caucus is actually pretty small, and that was never going to happen.

And now he is lying about how the USA Freedom Act didn’t add new capabilities, when we know that it did. So why at this point should anyone believe Rubio on this issue?

Nessuno on December 16, 2015 at 5:31 PM

If Rubio is on the ticket, vote against the ticket.

kunegetikos on December 16, 2015 at 5:26 PM

This.

ghostwalker1 on December 16, 2015 at 5:29 PM

With pleasure. Signed a pissed off Floridian.

bazil9 on December 16, 2015 at 5:33 PM

LOL,how concerned is Burr over Hillary’s recklessness?

steveracer on December 16, 2015 at 5:29 PM

Exactly..Get back to me when her ass in in the slammer.

bazil9 on December 16, 2015 at 5:34 PM

Don’t believe anything that comes out of Boy Blunder’s mouth.

Joseph K on December 16, 2015 at 5:36 PM

I’m afraid Cruz let the cat out of the bag by informing the peeps that yes they were correct in that the NSA is as dysfunctional as the rest of the government.

Knock me over with a feather.

Limerick on December 16, 2015 at 5:38 PM

But Hillary’s e-mails are nothing burgers…?

Seven Percent Solution on December 16, 2015 at 5:38 PM

LOL,how concerned is Burr over Hillary’s recklessness?

steveracer on December 16, 2015 at 5:29 PM

If he has time to watch “The Voice” because it is the “final episode” his concern level is below sea level.

Difficultas_Est_Imperium on December 16, 2015 at 5:39 PM

Cruz has a target on his back…
They’ll do anything to bring him down.

bazil9 on December 16, 2015 at 5:40 PM

If Rubio ‘knows’ the response from Cruz to be classified and it undercuts his argument, then Rubio was trying to play games. Rubio assumed Cruz could not present the new projections under the new Act so he spewed political nonsense. OOPS!

Presenting old info as current fact for the purpose of misrepresentation is called a lie.

zdpl0a on December 16, 2015 at 5:40 PM

As for Burr, I don’t know how to reconcile what he said this morning about having people check on this and the statement this afternoon about the committee’s disinterest.

The initial statement confirms that what Cruz said was classified information, by someone in a position to know. They realized that only belatedly.

Fenris on December 16, 2015 at 5:43 PM

That was quick. Glad to see Hilary and Ted are getting the same treatment /

Each side is fn corrupt!!!

Can.I.be.in.the.middle on December 16, 2015 at 5:44 PM

Going to side with Lee and Cruz.

1. Because I am starting to really, really dislike Rubio who won’t answer the gang of 8 crap.

2. Cruz is my guys because he was hated by both parties before it was popular.

melle1228 on December 16, 2015 at 5:45 PM

I bet Burr watches the dem debates. So he can know who he wants to vote for.

clement on December 16, 2015 at 5:45 PM

Cruz has a target on his back…
They’ll do anything to bring him down.

bazil9 on December 16, 2015 at 5:40 PM

I believe McConnell would become Hilary’s campaign manager if Cruz go the nominee. LOL

melle1228 on December 16, 2015 at 5:46 PM

melle1228 on December 16, 2015 at 5:45 PM

Who does Rubio remind you of….?

bazil9 on December 16, 2015 at 5:47 PM

If Rubio ‘knows’ the response from Cruz to be classified and it undercuts his argument, then Rubio was trying to play games. Rubio assumed Cruz could not present the new projections under the new Act so he spewed political nonsense. OOPS!

Presenting old info as current fact for the purpose of misrepresentation is called a lie.

zdpl0a on December 16, 2015 at 5:40 PM

This ^^^^

melle1228 on December 16, 2015 at 5:48 PM

He was watching a LIVtard show instead of a presidential debate…

Frank Lib on December 16, 2015 at 5:49 PM

The big question is: Will the MSM go after this and run it to ground the same way they did Benghazi and Hillare-mail?

Oh wait …

hillbillyjim on December 16, 2015 at 5:49 PM

Who does Rubio remind you of….?

bazil9 on December 16, 2015 at 5:47 PM

Honestly he almost reminds me of the swarmy Kennedy clan.

melle1228 on December 16, 2015 at 5:50 PM

Note to Hot Air writers. Rubio is done, boxed in by Cruz and Christie. Christie is your last, best hope at getting an establishment candidate to be viable beyond New Hampshire.

The nominee is most likely to be either Cruz or Trump. The people are rising up to defeat Washington this cycle.

h a p f a t on December 16, 2015 at 5:50 PM

Who does Rubio remind you of….?

bazil9 on December 16, 2015 at 5:47 PM

Honestly he almost reminds me of the swarmy Kennedy clan.

melle1228 on December 16, 2015 at 5:50 PM

Or John Edwards..

melle1228 on December 16, 2015 at 5:51 PM

bazil9 on December 16, 2015 at 5:40 PM

I believe McConnell would become Hilary’s campaign manager if Cruz go the nominee. LOL

melle1228 on December 16, 2015 at 5:46 PM

Well, according to Scarborough well known R’s won’t vote for either Trump or Cruz..I’d laugh with you but you could be right. The hate is strong..
Turtle is a POS..no doubt.
Down with the establishment!

bazil9 on December 16, 2015 at 5:52 PM

Wait, we’re suppose to be all knotted up about information for something that ended at midnight 11/29/2015? I don’t get it.

Cindy Munford on December 16, 2015 at 5:53 PM

I am supporting Burr’s primary opponent, and I would do so more or less blindly. But so far he seems like a conservative.

Constitutionalist on December 16, 2015 at 5:54 PM

bazil9 on December 16, 2015 at 5:47 PM

Honestly he almost reminds me of the swarmy Kennedy clan.

melle1228 on December 16, 2015 at 5:50 PM

He reminds me of a mix of Barry and McCain’s love child.

bazil9 on December 16, 2015 at 5:54 PM

Can we have the Carly Fiorina channeling Margaret Thatcher thread now?

Don’t you miss Carly?

de rigueur on December 16, 2015 at 5:54 PM

As I said in the headlines, it looks to me like Marco may have revealed classified information.

Marco said that NSA was collecting all phone records under the previous 215 program, despite the heretofore mainstream understanding that the program could legally collect records from only 1/3 of US phone numbers (if that). He claims that no new authority was added by the USA FREEDOM Act, when clearly, per the statutory text, there was.

This leads one to wonder: what have the NSA lawyers dishonestly done with Sec. 215 (and any other enabling statutes) that we don’t know about? What disingenuous legal sophistry are they using to collect information in ways that Congress has not authorized?

thirtyandseven on December 16, 2015 at 5:56 PM

melle..great to see you back!

de rigueur on December 16, 2015 at 5:54 PM

What respect I had for her melted with her cooter pride.

bazil9 on December 16, 2015 at 5:56 PM

Not a single word or link about the omnibus spending bill all day, not one.

HA has nearly completed its transformation into a typical obscure MSM propaganda machine it seems.

kpguru on December 16, 2015 at 6:01 PM

It was Rubio who launched this ridiculous smear against Cruz.

Pork-Chop on December 16, 2015 at 6:04 PM

O/T but cool and Jeb can only dream of this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULWSsbuIdHk

they lie on December 16, 2015 at 6:09 PM

Not a single word or link about the omnibus spending bill all day, not one.

HA has nearly completed its transformation into a typical obscure MSM propaganda machine it seems.

kpguru on December 16, 2015 at 6:01 PM

An excellent point. IRS gets a funding increase, a panapoly of leftwing pet causes and federal agencies get free money, EPA’s egregious Waters of the US mission creep gets codified, the anti-GMO freaks get food industry scalps, and worst of all, CISA gets passed, crushing what’s left of the Fourth Amendment.

Ryan has, again, undone years of conservative work in days by getting rolled on a terrible bill, with nothing–nothing–to show for it.

And HA doesn’t even cover this debacle? Staggering.

thirtyandseven on December 16, 2015 at 6:13 PM

Richard Burr is a sleazy POS who helped smear Chris McDaniel in the Ms. Senate Primary. Burr has been in Washington for 10 yrs. and has accomplished absolutely nothing.

they lie on December 16, 2015 at 6:17 PM

Cindy Munford on December 16, 2015 at 5:53 PM
Well, as someone who was on the hill when this bill passed the Senate, blink is correct. This bill was passed by Mike Lee, Ted Cruz had very little to do with it. It was Lee who dealt with the Democrats in the Senate, who made the case to the GOP in the House. Cruz is so hated in the Senate, his mere presence would have defeated the freedom USA act. Thanks to the leadership of both parties, the chambers were a toxic stew where it took a miracle to get any thing done. And pretty much everyone hated Ted Cruz for being a flaming jerk all the time.(Ironically, neither Cruz nor Rubio were attending the Senate during this period. Both were flying around the country doing…well what they are doing now.)

flackcatcher on December 16, 2015 at 6:22 PM

What does Marco know and when did he know it?

LOL

hillbillyjim on December 16, 2015 at 6:23 PM

Sleazy RINO, Sen. Richard Burr…

I just finished reading an item about “real” Muslims VS terrorists who only claim to be Muslims.
Seems many on the right dismiss the idea that a person can claim to be Muslim but not be one. I’ll wager that many of those same people use “RINO” in conversation on a daily basis.
So: what exactly is the difference between a “RINO” and a “MINO”?

jbspry on December 16, 2015 at 6:25 PM

Rubio being on the Senate Intel committee, I’m sure, is just a wild coincidence.

anuts on December 16, 2015 at 6:25 PM

Cruz was just interviewed by Bret Baier, he really struggled to answer the legalization question. Clearly what he’s saying today doesn’t square with his previous positions and statements on the subject.

Lesson, there are videos and written record of almost everything you say in public, which matters for everyone except for Trump.

Tater Salad on December 16, 2015 at 6:26 PM

GOPe and Rubio hardest hit.

talkingpoints on December 16, 2015 at 6:27 PM

Update: As for the merits of the underlying debate, via BuzzFeed, here’s a nice boost for Cruz from a man respected by both his fans and Rubio’s. Mike Lee, who sponsored the USA Freedom Act, says Cruz is right and Rubio is wrong on whether the bill makes America less safe.

That’s not what’s at question: whether we are safer or not, but whether Cruz leaked info.

Let’s give him benefit of the doubt for the moment

Tater Salad on December 16, 2015 at 6:31 PM

Establishment mole hill wishes it was a mountain.
Concern:
[x]Ignored
[ ]Duly noted

Mr. Arrogant on December 16, 2015 at 6:32 PM

Sometimes Cruz is too smart for his own good. Rubio nailed him on both the legalization issue and the meta data issue. He also handed Cruz his head on ISIS and national security issues. For a few brief moments Rubio made Cruz look dopey. I refuse to believe that Ted Cruz was not ready to deal with these issues on stage. Look like Cruz followed his campaign game plan right into a ditch. Against a talented politico like Rubio, that is a recipe for disaster. All in all, Cruz walked right into it. What should have been a great night for him, turned out OK. But Cruz is smart, he will learn, too bad for him Rubio will too.

flackcatcher on December 16, 2015 at 6:45 PM

Sometimes Cruz is too smart for his own good. Rubio nailed him on both the legalization issue and the meta data issue. He also handed Cruz his head on ISIS and national security issues. For a few brief moments Rubio made Cruz look dopey. I refuse to believe that Ted Cruz was not ready to deal with these issues on stage. Look like Cruz followed his campaign game plan right into a ditch. Against a talented politico like Rubio, that is a recipe for disaster. All in all, Cruz walked right into it. What should have been a great night for him, turned out OK. But Cruz is smart, he will learn, too bad for him Rubio will too.

flackcatcher on December 16, 2015 at 6:45 PM

The problem is he looked real good saying all that stuff (see Frank Luntz’ focus group), now he will be defending it until the next debate.

Tater Salad on December 16, 2015 at 6:48 PM

Rubio is a sleazy lying POS. But we all knew that from his gang of 8 tryst with Chucku Shumer.

they lie on December 16, 2015 at 6:54 PM

flackcatcher on December 16, 2015 at 6:22 PM

Sorry, but I have watched GOPe for too many years to be angry at someone who won’t kiss their royal azzes. Somehow lying and cheating bothers me more than someone not playing by the arcane old boys club rules and only talk with twisted words and inside voice.

Cindy Munford on December 16, 2015 at 6:55 PM

I interpreted that exchange a bit differently. I didn’t see Cruz revealing secrets but rather Rubio warning that the full discussion could not be had in the light of day due to classified information being involved. If anything, it was probably a reminder to Cruz and an explanation to the audience.

ConservOvrGOP on December 16, 2015 at 6:57 PM

Okay, I admit that I don’t get it.

Is the percentage itself classified?

malclave on December 16, 2015 at 7:08 PM

flackcatcher on December 16, 2015 at 6:45 PM

I disagree and so do others. All this hand wringing on the Metadata is total b.s., they have had it for years and couldn’t stop any of the attacks we have already had, including San Bernardina. And even if Cruz fudged, which I am not willing to concede, Marco Rubio got elected on a big lie. I know, I voted for him.

Cindy Munford on December 16, 2015 at 7:14 PM

Rubio and the Vichy GOP playing politics with national security? Shocking.

A proven liar, who ran on being anti amnesty, and once elected ran right to the democrats doing his biggest McCain impersonation in order to sell out his constituents. In fact, has any politician sold out as fast, and as cheaply as Rubio did?

Cruz has consistently been on the right side of almost every conservative issue of our era, yet people still give Rubio the benefit of the doubt?

portlandon on December 16, 2015 at 7:20 PM

May I point out that Sen. Rubio is quite the hawk also. Do we want some more high cost victories that can be reversed by Democrats?

Cindy Munford on December 16, 2015 at 7:22 PM

That’s not what’s at question: whether we are safer or not, but whether Cruz leaked info.

Let’s give him benefit of the doubt for the moment

Tater Salad

Update: As for the merits of the underlying debate

Um, that’s IS what’s at question in regards to the debate they were having….also known as the underlying debate…whether it made us safer or not. The only other question is who does Rubio want to invade because Cruz kicked his ass.

xblade on December 16, 2015 at 7:35 PM

Richard Burr is up for election in 2016. This just gave a lot of conservatives reason to primary him. Not. Smart.

widget on December 16, 2015 at 7:42 PM

May I point out that Sen. Rubio is quite the hawk also.
Cindy Munford on December 16, 2015 at 7:22 PM

I think the hint was his being all excited about shooting down Russian planes.

whatcat on December 16, 2015 at 7:46 PM

Oh and apparently Director Comey has bit the bullet and decided Chattanooga was terrorist attack, BEFORE THE METADATA HAD EXPIRED! Marco, why didn’t the government stop it?????

Cindy Munford on December 16, 2015 at 7:47 PM

whatcat on December 16, 2015 at 7:46 PM

I don’t think anyone is going to shoot down any Russian jets. I am sympathetic with building up the military, since I think it is actually money the Constitution covers. But we can’t count on DC to spend wisely, only on their donors. Rubio keeps talking about how we can’t bomb ISIS because the Air Force doesn’t have enough planes, well this just in, maybe we can use some of the Navy’s.

Cindy Munford on December 16, 2015 at 7:51 PM

This is a nonsequitar with the voters

nonpartisan on December 15, 2015 at 2:55 PM

justltl on December 16, 2015 at 8:28 PM

I don’t think anyone is going to shoot down any Russian jets.

Rubio does seem pretty excited about the prospect.
Marco Rubio Urges Attacks Against Russian Aircraft In Syria

I am sympathetic with building up the military, since I think it is actually money the Constitution covers. But we can’t count on DC to spend wisely, only on their donors. Rubio keeps talking about how we can’t bomb ISIS because the Air Force doesn’t have enough planes, well this just in, maybe we can use some of the Navy’s.
Cindy Munford on December 16, 2015 at 7:51 PM

I agree, the military does needs building up and updating.

whatcat on December 16, 2015 at 8:28 PM

Since when has anything in Congress that was “classified” NOT been leaked?

NoPain on December 16, 2015 at 9:45 PM

This should eliminate Rubio. He’s pretty much admitting without missing a beat that he was using a disingenuous attack with the expectation that the guy who he’s attacking isn’t allowed to knock down his lie because his lie is somehow protected by top secret status. I hate sophisticated liars like that.

Buddahpundit on December 16, 2015 at 10:34 PM

Cindy Munford on December 16, 2015 at 7:14 PM
Well that was never my point Cindy. These guys are master politicians. Both never make a move without understanding the outcomes of their decisions. In the context of american politics, both are independent operators. Both of them were looking beyond the debate toward the early primaries. Prepping the ground game for Iowa and beyond. Rubio got Cruz, it happens. How Cruz handles and responds will tell us a lot about how he will be in the office. At least no media will try to cover up Cruz’s and Rubio hiccups during the campaign.(Meta data is important, but not the way you think it is. Cruz’s mistake was to try to ‘hand wave’ it away. He left an opening that Rubio was able to exploit and widen into the larger issue of military preparedness and terrorism. Like I said up thread, he walked right into it. An unforced error by a very smart politician. Very unusual.)

flackcatcher on December 17, 2015 at 1:13 AM

Cruz may have said something that Rubio knows is classified. Cruz may have not known.

The really stupid thing to do on national television is to reveal to the world that something that was said is classified.

Cruz may have screwed up. Rubio definitely screwed up.

s1im on December 17, 2015 at 9:10 AM

So, it sounds like Cruz was not in a position to know the classified information, but pulled it from media reports. If true, there is nothing wrong with what Cruz said. Rubio was in a position to know, and it is possible that he may have compromised secrecy just by confirming that there is classified information involved. Potential irony here.

Count to 10 on December 17, 2015 at 9:16 AM

In all of this discussion, I wonder: since the Senate / House had to vote on the bill, wouldn’t they have known what it said (assuming anyonee had time to read it, of course), which would have included the extension from land-line phones to the other communication venues?

That’s all I remember Cruz talking about in specifics.

Since when has anything in Congress that was “classified” NOT been leaked?

NoPain on December 16, 2015 at 9:45 PM

I interpreted that exchange a bit differently. I didn’t see Cruz revealing secrets but rather Rubio warning that the full discussion could not be had in the light of day due to classified information being involved. If anything, it was probably a reminder to Cruz and an explanation to the audience.

ConservOvrGOP on December 16, 2015 at 6:57 PM

My take as well, but that’s a problem in and of itself, isn’t it?

As I said in the headlines, it looks to me like Marco may have revealed classified information.

Marco said that NSA was collecting all phone records under the previous 215 program, despite the heretofore mainstream understanding that the program could legally collect records from only 1/3 of US phone numbers (if that). He claims that no new authority was added by the USA FREEDOM Act, when clearly, per the statutory text, there was.

This leads one to wonder: what have the NSA lawyers dishonestly done with Sec. 215 (and any other enabling statutes) that we don’t know about? What disingenuous legal sophistry are they using to collect information in ways that Congress has not authorized?

thirtyandseven on December 16, 2015 at 5:56 PM

AesopFan on December 17, 2015 at 9:41 AM

At least no media will try to cover up Cruz’s and Rubio hiccups during the campaign.(Meta data is important, but not the way you think it is. Cruz’s mistake was to try to ‘hand wave’ it away. He left an opening that Rubio was able to exploit and widen into the larger issue of military preparedness and terrorism. Like I said up thread, he walked right into it. An unforced error by a very smart politician. Very unusual.)

flackcatcher on December 17, 2015 at 1:13 AM

And if no one hiccups, DeMedia will run a story about that, or bring up another Blast from the Past on one of them, or just make something up.

AesopFan on December 17, 2015 at 9:44 AM

Here’s something not classified, that everyone knows:
Regardless of what “tools” are available, recent events show that we have fools governing their use. For example, we did not need to know more about the San Bernardino savages to understand their active animosity to Americans. The idiots debating the percentages once again score points on minutiae while failing to address the clear and present danger to the public.

It’s no badge of distinction to be bantering nuances of shia against Sunni. Since they are both against us, we should not care what either thinks. Let them fight each other in the desert for a thousand years. Right now, we have an infestation to deal with here.

virgo on December 17, 2015 at 10:51 AM