Woman asks Hillary: If all rape accusers have the right to be believed, should we believe the women who say your husband raped them?

posted at 4:03 pm on December 3, 2015 by Allahpundit

She’s not asking this question idly. Hillary, who’s gearing up for a sub-moronic identity-politics campaign, actually did say recently that rape accusers have “the right to be believed” even though her own husband has been accused by multiple women of sexual assault. How does she resolve that dilemma?

I thought she’d never be asked, for the simple reason that no one in the media would dare risk access to a future Clinton administration by putting her on the spot about it. But sometimes, my friends, the questions don’t come from the media. Sometimes a candidate has to face the voters.

And that’s when magical things can happen.

Here’s the clip, via the Free Beacon. Obviously there’s no good answer to this question, which is why so many righties perked up when she first said something about the right to be believed. She set a trap for herself. If she stands by it now, it means she sides with Juanita Broaddrick over Bill. If she walks it back, which is what she has no choice but to do — accusers should be believed unless the evidence says otherwise, she clarifies — then it undermines the whole point of the pander. The “right to be believed” bit was her way of trying to leverage the feminist frenzy over “rape culture”; she was signaling to young women, whose votes she desperately needs, that she shares the progressive belief that rape defendants are guilty until proven innocent. Now that she’s on the spot, she retreats to the banal point that we should go where the evidence leads us. In practice, the “right to be believed” amounts to nothing more than the idea that the police should investigate when someone claims they’re the victim of a horrendous violent crime. All of us who took first-grade civics can agree.

Exit question: If accusers have a right to be taken seriously, if not quite “believed,” does that mean she took Broaddrick seriously when she first accused Bill of assault? That’s a follow-up question for the next townhall attendee who gets to quiz her.


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Which means this was obviously stagecraft entirely setup to make the first Madam Preznit appear sharp, skillful, and ready for all executive tasks.

Augustinian on December 3, 2015 at 4:27 PM

IT also disposes of the “every women has the right to be believed” issue.

“Done and done. Lets move on”

BobMbx on December 3, 2015 at 6:12 PM

Hillary: “It depends on what the definition of rape is”.

doctrx on December 3, 2015 at 4:53 PM

She replies:

“If you define it as being sexual assault by someone whose name is not Kennedy or Clinton, & who is not part of Hollywood, then my husband is clearly innocent.” *big toothy grin*

itsnotaboutme on December 3, 2015 at 6:15 PM

I am still thinking about the “Chelsea is Web Hubbell’s daughter” comment the other day.
I keep thinking about how everthing falls into place if true.
He had his, then she had hers, but added a daily reminder.
We all try to explain why she did / does what she does, in regard
to his prowling around…..
Now, how to get a couple of DNA specimens.

Whiterock on December 3, 2015 at 6:15 PM

What evidence is that? It seems odd that the questioner didn’t follow up with that obvious question.

Mimzey on December 3, 2015 at 6:16 PM

Why do some conservatives defend college rapists?

weedisgood on December 3, 2015 at 6:23 PM

The “right to be believed” bit was her way of trying to leverage the feminist frenzy over “rape culture”; she was signaling to young women, whose votes she desperately needs, that she shares the progressive belief that rape defendants are guilty until proven innocent.

Which would mean that no Virginia frat boy would have any defense against spurious accusations from Rolling Stone. Any woman with any spiteful grudge against a man for any reason could have him thrown in jail without proof.

In Hillary’s world, innocent men can be thrown in jail, while her husband is free to get away with rape.

Steve Z on December 3, 2015 at 6:24 PM

7 in 10 female illegals are raped at least once before they get here, too, but Obama and Hillary show no desire to shut that pipeline down.

GrumpyOldFart on December 3, 2015 at 5:29 PM

Obviously we need laws to protect illegal immigrants.

/Huh?

LashRambo on December 3, 2015 at 6:25 PM

Why do some conservatives defend college rapists?
weedisgood on December 3, 2015 at 6:23 PM

Oh stfu crackhead.

jawkneemusic on December 3, 2015 at 6:34 PM

Why do some conservatives defend college rapists?

weedisgood on December 3, 2015 at 6:23 PM

Why do you continue to slobber over a woman who enabled her sex offender husband?

Aizen on December 3, 2015 at 6:34 PM

Her walk back did not completely undermine her original statement. “Well, I would say that everybody should be believed at first until they are disbelieved based on evidence.”

This still requires the defendant to prove he is innocent, although it allows that possibility which her first statement did not.

The correct legal principle would be, “The accuser has the right to be believed if (and only if) they can provide evidence that they were raped by the accused.” At that point the burden of proof does properly shift to the defendant to discredit the evidence against him.

JackOfClubs on December 3, 2015 at 6:35 PM

Exit question: If accusers have a right to be taken seriously, if not quite “believed,” does that mean she took Broaddrick seriously when she first accused Bill of assault? That’s a follow-up question for the next townhall attendee who gets to quiz her.

As if that’s going to happen!

All I’ll add is that Blue was leading the defense team to handle the Lewinski scandal (not quite the same thing as rape but close enough). It was she that launched the nuts and sluts defense when she (knowing full well the truth) went on national television and talked about Bill’s tendency to try and help troubled young people that come within his professional circle.

Happy Nomad on December 3, 2015 at 6:37 PM

What evidence is that? It seems odd that the questioner didn’t follow up with that obvious question.

Mimzey on December 3, 2015 at 6:16 PM

Yeah, almost as if the question was posed just to get it out of the way…

Clintons are slime.

Fallon on December 3, 2015 at 6:38 PM

I’m surprised she didn’t say “Well it might have been rape, but not rape-rape.”

GarandFan on December 3, 2015 at 6:40 PM

Why do some conservatives defend some college men accused of rape? (I had to clean it up a bit. Ick.)
weedisgood on December 3, 2015 at 6:23 PM

Because some are proven innocent?

Fallon on December 3, 2015 at 6:41 PM

So sick of this cow Hillary; enough already who isn’t tired of this woman?

How could anyone on earth be excited to vote for her?

Redstone on December 3, 2015 at 6:42 PM

Why do some conservatives defend college rapists?

weedisgood on December 3, 2015 at 6:23 PM

Who is defending college rapists?

darwin on December 3, 2015 at 6:44 PM

Because some are proven innocent?

Fallon on December 3, 2015 at 6:41 PM

Because the stats are a lie?

darwin on December 3, 2015 at 6:45 PM

I agree this was staged. The questioner just threw out the names without associating them to Slick Willie. The no-nothings in the audience didn’t even make the connection.

WhatsAMattaU on December 3, 2015 at 6:47 PM

Because the stats are a lie?

darwin on December 3, 2015 at 6:45 PM

Yup, that, too.

Fallon on December 3, 2015 at 6:49 PM

do some conservatives defend college rapists?
weedisgood on December 3, 2015 at 6:23 PM

Because after sticking their d!cks into so many bricks, the chafing deserves sympathy. Plus the college just got all b!tchy and didn’t return any calls afterwards.

Nutstuyu on December 3, 2015 at 6:51 PM

So sick of this cow Hillary; enough already who isn’t tired of this woman?

How could anyone on earth be excited to vote for her?

Redstone on December 3, 2015 at 6:42 PM

That’s the problem. About half the country already hates Mrs. Clinton, but a sizeable faction of brainwashed sheep absolutely love her. The remainder don’t really care one way or another, but either can’t/don’t see Mrs. Clinton for who she really is or will endure her presence lest someone even worse (see: Republican) wins in her stead.

Aizen on December 3, 2015 at 7:00 PM

Weed, try to stay on topic.

Ughh…druggies.

CWforFreedom on December 3, 2015 at 7:01 PM

Why do some conservatives defend college rapists?

weedisgood on December 3, 2015 at 6:23 PM

i can’t tell if you’re trolling or genuinely this stupid.

Sachiko on December 3, 2015 at 7:02 PM

The scariest part is how the lemmings applauded and cheered her.

brindle on December 3, 2015 at 7:03 PM

Aren’t all accusers for all crimes believed until disbelieved based on evidence? If not, why do the police investigate anything?

John Deaux on December 3, 2015 at 7:15 PM

You gotta hand it to her. She was ready for that one.

eh on December 3, 2015 at 7:17 PM

i can’t tell if you’re trolling or genuinely this stupid.

Sachiko on December 3, 2015 at 7:02 PM

Oh, come on – the moron has a well-established track record here, doesn’t he? :D

What amazes me most is how anyone takes him seriously (and other sociopaths who are similarly bored and lonely). lol :)

Anti-ControI on December 3, 2015 at 7:17 PM

“Yes, we believed them. That’s why we assassinated their character.”

The Rogue Tomato on December 3, 2015 at 7:33 PM

Sounded like a plant that gave her an opportunity to test that answer, just saying…

Chicost84 on December 3, 2015 at 7:35 PM

She better have her food tasted and watch her pets closely

Jackalope on December 3, 2015 at 7:38 PM

Why do some conservatives defend college rapists?

weedisgood on December 3, 2015 at 6:23 PM

Why do all leftists defend Bill Clintons rapes?

bigGwillie on December 3, 2015 at 7:55 PM

It’s pretty clear from events like this and her Benghazi “testimony” that her strategy is to grin out the campaign. Just say it with a smile and wait for the applause.

arhooley on December 3, 2015 at 7:56 PM

Hillary is evil. Anyone who supports Hillary is evil.

I’m looking at you, Crissy Matthews. You f*cking hack.

AprilApple on December 3, 2015 at 7:58 PM

Why do some conservatives defend college rapists?

weedisgood on December 3, 2015 at 6:23 PM

Why do some liberals defend Presidential rapists?

unclesmrgol on December 3, 2015 at 8:11 PM

I love it when Allahpundit goes after something like this- he’s a good writer.

BettyRuth on December 3, 2015 at 8:12 PM

After reading countless posts I have come to the firm conclusion that WeedIsGood is actually someone pretending to take those positions just to jerk everyone’s chain. I used to think it was rather entertaining but he’s lost his spark. He’s not creative any more.

Anyone can do this kind of stuff, but only clever people should try it.

Pythagoras on December 3, 2015 at 8:41 PM

136 comments and not one comment on just how utterly disrespectful and out of line that question was?

I’m not a Hilary fan, but I thought she handled it with class and showed grace

nonpartisan on December 3, 2015 at 8:41 PM

A. Althouse asks what the hack press will never:

Another question I would ask is: Given the accusations that have been made against your husband, accusations that have never been adequately disproved, how can you ask the women of American to back you as the first woman President when it would mean bringing him back into the White House?

AprilApple on December 3, 2015 at 8:51 PM

A. Althouse asks what the hack press will never:

Another question I would ask is: Given the accusations that have been made against your husband, accusations that have never been adequately disproved, how can you ask the women of American to back you as the first woman President when it would mean bringing him back into the White House?

AprilApple on December 3, 2015 at 8:51 PM

That’s the difference between a planted question and a real question. Bam!

Fallon on December 3, 2015 at 9:03 PM

nonpartisan on December 3, 2015 at 8:41 PM

Bill Clinton is utterly disrespectful and then some. The question was a plant.

Fallon on December 3, 2015 at 9:05 PM

Well for starters, Hillary’s handlers would never take a chance by letting someone ask a question they didn’t know in advance.

Secondly, she said something that could easily be used against her so they decided to let her “clarify” what she meant by using a plant.

Third, it makes her appear that she’s unafraid to take questions from average people.

darwin

Fourth, it happens the day after a jihadist terror attack in the US, when most folks attention is elsewhere.

It’s not going to get a lot of attention, except when HRC needs to pull it out sometime in the future if anyone on a bigger stage says she said “all men are guilty until proven innocent.”

BD57 on December 3, 2015 at 9:09 PM

Why do some conservatives defend some college men accused of rape? (I had to clean it up a bit. Ick.)
weedisgood

Hmmm … let’s see ….

“presumption of innocence”

“due process”

“United States Constitution”

Any of this ringing a bell?

BD57 on December 3, 2015 at 9:11 PM

136 comments and not one comment on just how utterly disrespectful and out of line that question was?

I’m not a Hilary fan, but I thought she handled it with class and showed grace

nonpartisan on December 3, 2015 at 8:41 PM

Tell us how is it disrespectful and how is it out of line.

RickB on December 3, 2015 at 9:12 PM

disrespectful and out of line that question was?

I’m not a Hilary fan, but I thought she handled it with class and showed grace

nonpartisan on December 3, 2015 at 8:41 PM

:)

Thank you that laugh, I really enjoyed it.

KMC1 on December 3, 2015 at 9:15 PM

Why do some conservatives defend college rapists?

weedisgood on December 3, 2015 at 6:23 PM

If it’s such a problem, why do “progressives” make up rape accusations? Why should we ruin lives over lies?

Jeff Weimer on December 3, 2015 at 9:21 PM

136 comments and not one comment on just how utterly disrespectful and out of line that question was?

I’m not a Hilary fan, but I thought she handled it with class and showed grace

nonpartisan

Right, because it’s totally inappropriate to call “bullshit” on a politician who’s spewing it ….

BD57 on December 3, 2015 at 9:23 PM

Right, because it’s totally inappropriate to call “bullshit” on a politician who’s spewing it ….

BD57 on December 3, 2015 at 9:23 PM

its ok to call bullshit, but one doesn’t have to do it in such a crass personal fashion

the questioner actually lost points with me by using bill as the example

nonpartisan on December 3, 2015 at 9:38 PM

nonpartisan on December 3, 2015 at 9:38 PM

You do realize the question was a plant from Hillary’s team, don’t you?

Goody2Shoes on December 3, 2015 at 10:00 PM

Im very dubious of this strategy. Pubs have been harping on this Clinton women nonsense for 20 years and it has yielded exactly nothing. It’s okay to chuckle about it on a blog but it won’t get our presidential candidate any votes. Might even lose voters.

cimbri on December 3, 2015 at 10:23 PM

Why did ol’ Billy boy pay off Paula Jones if he was innocent? Heck they would have gotten away with smearing Monica Lewinsky if it wasn’t for the blue dress. Some of the testimony given under oath by Clinton was unbelievable. It is like having a GoPro in a Tijuana hooker’s motel room.

brindle on December 3, 2015 at 11:23 PM

Why do some conservatives defend college rapists?

weedisgood on December 3, 2015 at 6:23 PM

Name some. Name some people against whom there is credible evidence of rape whose actions are being defended by more than just one or two conservatives.

Talk is cheap. Ante up or fold.

GrumpyOldFart on December 3, 2015 at 11:24 PM

weedisgood on December 3, 2015 at 6:23 PM

Name some. Name some people against whom there is credible evidence of rape whose actions are being defended by more than just one or two conservatives.

Talk is cheap. Ante up or fold.

GrumpyOldFart on December 3, 2015 at 11:24 PM

you won’t get nothing. He hits, splits and jax off to any reaction. I’ve been guilty of responding my own self.

arnold ziffel on December 3, 2015 at 11:28 PM

Why do some conservatives defend college rapists?

weedisgood on December 3, 2015 at 6:23 PM

Really? You are backing this skank? Why? Because she is a “D” ? What makes you want to vote for this lying POS? I would really like to know.

tbear44 on December 3, 2015 at 11:35 PM

Gotta love concern troll concern trolling over disrespect toward an incredibly disrespectful individual. Oh, the hilarity!

Christien on December 3, 2015 at 11:36 PM

Pretty sure I’m not gonna get an answer from “weed or whomever it is” on this one.

tbear44 on December 4, 2015 at 1:35 AM

..the decaying beached whale’s Ralph Kramden Chef-of-the-Future Core-a-apple moment.

“..the phone number’s Bensonhurst 5-6698..”

The War Planner on December 4, 2015 at 4:53 AM

You gotta hand it to her. She was ready for that one.

eh on December 3, 2015 at 7:17 PM

But as another commenter above noted, she seemed ready for the question.

Very likely a plant.

Dr. ZhivBlago on December 4, 2015 at 5:13 AM

I’m not a Hilary fan, but I thought she handled it with class and showed grace

nonpartisan on December 3, 2015 at 8:41 PM

If that’s what you call Howdy Doody huffing rubber cement.

Younggod on December 4, 2015 at 6:05 AM

its ok to call bullshit, but one doesn’t have to do it in such a crass personal fashion

the questioner actually lost points with me by using bill as the example

nonpartisan on December 3, 2015 at 9:38 PM

The questioner isn’t asking anyone to vote for her for president.

eclark1849 on December 4, 2015 at 7:04 AM

Why do some conservatives defend college rapists?

weedisgood on December 3, 2015 at 6:23 PM

Why do weed smokers commit rape?

Cherokee on December 4, 2015 at 8:19 AM

President Hillary?? Are we really gonna elect this corrupt witch? They will if they have their way.

‘Cuz those libs are all corrupt they need a corrupt leader so they can all play ball.

I mean, who do you think ALL the civil servants and bureaucrats are gonna vote for?

This election is do or die and that is why Trump is in the lead.

Sherman1864 on December 4, 2015 at 8:22 AM

Why do some conservatives defend college rapists?
weedisgood on December 3, 2015 at 6:23 PM
Why do weed smokers commit rape?
Cherokee on December 4, 2015 at 8:19 AM

Uh, who is weed even talking about? UVa for example?

Sorry.

Duke?

Nope.

Jeez!

Sherman1864 on December 4, 2015 at 8:24 AM

Uh, who is weed even talking about? UVa for example?

Sorry.

Duke?

Nope.

Jeez!

Sherman1864 on December 4, 2015 at 8:24 AM

The “Weeder” doesn’t know what he’s talking about. He’s too stoned most of the time as evidenced by his posts.

Cherokee on December 4, 2015 at 8:53 AM

Why do some conservatives liberal druggie burnouts and presidential candidates defend college serial rapist ex-presidents?

weedisgood on December 3, 2015 at 6:23 PM

fixed for more accuracy

cornbred on December 4, 2015 at 9:21 AM

I believe the lady was a plant. This question was asked on the biggest news day available with the Muslim Terrorists in California. They wanted this question, “asked and answered”, so if it comes up again they can say they “already addressed it”.

Consider why we don’t know who the woman was and the press didn’t ask. We know who Joe the Plumber was immediately.

This got buried in the news cycle.

HB Surfer on December 4, 2015 at 9:23 AM

That’s a follow-up question for the next townhall attendee who gets to quiz her.

Oh, right, like they’re ever going to allow a non-vetted questioner ever again.

HB Surfer on December 4, 2015 at 9:23 AM

Maybe, but it would be extremely stupid to put it out there for capture and constant replay on the internet. Then again, few people have ever accused HRC’s campaign folks of being the sharpest tools in the shed.

GWB on December 4, 2015 at 9:39 AM

As Rush Limbaugh has stated, “There are no coincidences with the Clintons. Nothing just spontaneously happens. Everything is orchestrated, everything is planned, everything is staged.”

Always remember that.

Yes, this was definitely staged, complete with the ready to go, scripted answer by Hillary.

jmangini on December 4, 2015 at 9:56 AM

Inoculation against future questions on this subject. It was asked and answered.

Kissmygrits on December 4, 2015 at 10:13 AM

I think Hillary finally coming unglued. I think that whack to the head a few years ago, is finally making her really nuts

gwhh on December 4, 2015 at 10:35 AM

Why do some conservatives defend college rapists?

weedisgood on December 3, 2015 at 6:23 PM

Like who? Name one such case.

The Schaef on December 4, 2015 at 12:33 PM

The whack to the head required six weeks of hospitalization. You would not be allowed to play High School football after that, much less qualify for the office of POTUS.

brindle on December 4, 2015 at 1:06 PM

Truly what kind of people/country have we degenerated to when Trump and Hillary could actually be taken seriously by one single person?! Truth is surely stranger than fiction!

russedav on December 4, 2015 at 2:27 PM

Why do some conservatives defend college rapists?

weedisgood on December 3, 2015 at 6:23 PM

Ask Lena Dunham. She fabricated her entire story.

Buttercup on December 4, 2015 at 4:30 PM