Wait, does Bill Clinton oppose late-term abortion?

posted at 11:21 am on December 2, 2015 by Allahpundit

I think Sean Davis is right that this is the better lede from the Free Beacon’s story about Clinton casually accusing Rick Santorum’s wife of secretly aborting a child who died in infancy. Which is not to say that this’ll be difficult for the Clintons to spin.

Twenty years ago, a centrist Democrat from the south wasn’t the sort of drooling “it’s not alive until it’s left the hospital” abortion fanatic that modern Democrats routinely are? Do tell.

Clinton’s comments about Santorum came during a discussion with Branch on partial-birth abortion, in which he complained that the insensitivity of the pro-choice movement made “a statesman out of Rick Santorum.”

Clinton said that pro-choice activists “framed the question selfishly by putting it in terms of a woman’s right to do whatever she wanted,” making it seem like they were fighting for a “selfish woman’s right to crush her baby’s skull.”…

“I believe that if you can’t make up your mind in the first six months, you don’t have the right to have an abortion,” Clinton said according to Branch.

“He said the pro-choice people have essentially allowed their own insensitivities to push them into a losing political situation and make a statesman out of Rick Santorum, which he rolled his eyes at,” said Branch.

He (supposedly) said that in 1997, but as usual, Clinton’s got a good sense of where the wider public stands. WaPo polled Americans in 2013 and asked them what sort of time limit the law should impose on legal abortions. Supreme Court jurisprudence makes abortion legal for six months, or 24 weeks; some state laws cut that back to 20 weeks. Which time frame do Americans prefer? WaPo found 56 percent overall preferred the more restrictive window of 20 weeks, even when given the option of 24 weeks in the question. But what about Democrats? Ahem:

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The Democratic Party is top-heavy on this subject, with the leadership full of extremists and the great mass of voters willing to accept limits. And Clinton stated the reason why succinctly: If you can’t make up your mind in six months (or five months, per the poll), why should an otherwise viable child suffer for it?

But as I say, this is easily spun. Hillary 2016 is already well practiced at claiming the Clintons have seen the error of their ways since Bill’s time in office on all sorts of things that now matter to progressives. Bill Clinton signed DOMA into law, then called for it to be overturned two years ago before the Supreme Court took up the matter. He and Hillary have since taken to lying to gay activists by claiming that he only ever signed it in the first place because Republicans were threatening to pass a federal marriage amendment instead. Another example is the 1994 crime bill, which ended up putting many Americans — black Americans especially — in prison for longer sentences. The Black Lives Matter noticed; Bill Clinton duly expressed his regrets about the bill this past summer. The only question about the inevitable walkback of his late-term abortion comments in 1997 is whether he’ll deny outright having said it or whether he’ll claim to have belatedly seen the progressive light after leaving office on this issue too, having since been carefully educated by feminists that it’s not really a “baby” until the head and feet have exited the mother’s body.

Although, now that I think about it, maybe a walkback isn’t called for here. The First! Woman! President! has already loudly and proudly endorsed late-term abortions; having Bill quietly side with the 51 percent of Democrats who are uncomfortable with that might be a nice bit of triangulation for them. Would progressives tolerate it, though? Abortion on demand at any stage of pregnancy is central to their religion. How can they make Hillary Clinton their leader if she’s married to a heretic, a man who’s enabling the religious right by sharing a small amount of common ground with them? As Davis says, Planned Parenthood would have you believe that pro-life sentiment is a form of domestic terrorism. How can we have a president who associates with terrorists? Or rather, another president, I mean.


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I agree that we need laws to force women to have their abortions earlier rather than later. But that has nothing to do with late term abortion. They aren’t elective abortions. Late term abortion is about health of the mother or fetuses who won’t survive for long.

thuja on December 2, 2015 at 11:26 AM

Do progtards think it’s too late to abort Shrillary?

Flange on December 2, 2015 at 11:28 AM

The only question about the inevitable walkback of his late-term abortion comments in 1997 is whether he’ll deny outright having said it or whether he’ll claim to have belatedly seen the progressive light after leaving office on this issue too, having since been carefully educated by feminists that it’s not really a “baby” until the head and feet have exited the mother’s body.

I think it was Babs Boxer who said it’s not really a “baby” until it leaves the hospital. Or something.

Aizen on December 2, 2015 at 11:30 AM

Single cell organism on Mars = Life!
Heartbeat on Earth = clump of useless cells that can be done with as you please.

Floriduh Jim on December 2, 2015 at 11:34 AM

Late term abortion is about health of the mother or fetuses who won’t survive for long.

thuja on December 2, 2015 at 11:26 AM

Oh, crap! Do you know what a C-section is?

butch on December 2, 2015 at 11:38 AM

Honestly, I think it should be a states’ rights issue. I can’t stand the thought of legalized abortion, but people need to be able to craft the social norms of their own state and localities. Also, it will spur more responsible, thoughtful debate at the local level and it would take the issue off the federal table, where it doesn’t belong anyway (the Supreme Court put it there).

A more localized debate will also force the partial-birth abortion supporters to come out of the woodwork, because we know the national news media only focuses on “extreme” pro-lifers (and loons like Todd Akin, over whom the media salivates).

Aizen on December 2, 2015 at 11:38 AM

Question to all “life starts at conception” zealots here. A mother casually slipping her 7 year old son a beer will go to jail if discovered. Should we similarly charge every redneck female who drinks while pregnant with a crime?

Rix on December 2, 2015 at 11:38 AM

We could go back to the old days, when a child was not considered viable until they reached the age of seven, I suppose.

OldEnglish on December 2, 2015 at 11:39 AM

The Democrats’ war on children.

Happy Nomad on December 2, 2015 at 11:40 AM

Another reason that Hill should divorce Bill. She should file the paperwork in October 2016. That would probably secure her a nice 49 state landslide over Marco Rubio or Jeb Bush or whatever surefire loser the GOP will shove down our throats. Donald Trump 2016!!!

Sarah-Cuda on December 2, 2015 at 11:42 AM

Late term abortion is about health of the mother or fetuses who won’t survive for long.

thuja on December 2, 2015 at 11:26 AM

In theory or practice?

Mimzey on December 2, 2015 at 11:42 AM

even at 6 months – babies are viable. Try again.

AprilApple on December 2, 2015 at 11:43 AM

Rix on December 2, 2015 at 11:38 AM

That is merely a law. There was a time, not long ago, when to NOT drink beer meant death by thirst – one just didn’t want to drink the (polluted) water!

OldEnglish on December 2, 2015 at 11:44 AM

As if BJ’s stated opinion from 1997 matters….

What is The Donald’s position?

Syzygy on December 2, 2015 at 11:44 AM

The left know that if the media dropped the mask on their BS reporting on abortion that most people are against and aghast at the idea of late term abortions.

Hillary is in bed with the baby part store, so – she won’t ever say it.

AprilApple on December 2, 2015 at 11:44 AM

Question to all “life starts at conception” zealots here. A mother casually slipping her 7 year old son a beer will go to jail if discovered. Should we similarly charge every redneck female who drinks while pregnant with a crime?

Rix on December 2, 2015 at 11:38 AM

Why is it zealotry to hold that life begins at conception. Instead of sneering and mocking, when would you suggest that life begins? (this ought to be enlightening)

Happy Nomad on December 2, 2015 at 11:45 AM

I agree that we need laws to force women to have their abortions earlier rather than later. But that has nothing to do with late term abortion. They aren’t elective abortions. Late term abortion is about health of the mother or fetuses who won’t survive for long.

thuja on December 2, 2015 at 11:26 AM

Complete BS.

My 2nd daughter was born 2 1/2 months premature. She weighed 2 lbs 10 3/4 oz. She is now 25, a productive member of society, and is raising our first grandson who is 5.

“Fetuses” (babies) routinely survive at 2 lbs in NICU. 25 years ago, I even saw some that were under 2 lbs surviving.

So your argument is a lie, and I have living proof of it.

dominigan on December 2, 2015 at 11:46 AM

What is The Donald’s position?

Syzygy on December 2, 2015 at 11:44 AM

Thousands of women get late term abortions- he’s seen them standing in line at Planned Parenthood.

Happy Nomad on December 2, 2015 at 11:48 AM

So he’s responsible for the PP shooting in Colorado Springs? Whoa.

Ward Cleaver on December 2, 2015 at 11:51 AM

I agree that we need laws to force women to have their abortions earlier rather than later. But that has nothing to do with late term abortion. They aren’t elective abortions. Late term abortion is about health of the mother or fetuses who won’t survive for long.

thuja on December 2, 2015 at 11:26 AM

My daughter was a triploid, which was not discovered until after 20 weeks. Rather than have her skull crushed and her precious little body ripped apart, we decided my wife would carry her as long as she could. She was born about a month premature by C-section, and we got to meet her. She died after only a few minutes, but she died in my arms instead of at the hands of a barbarian. The lovely Mrs. Drivel believes it was the best decision we have made or ever will make.

You were saying?

Serious Drivel on December 2, 2015 at 11:52 AM

Late term abortion is about health of the mother or fetuses who won’t survive for long.

thuja on December 2, 2015 at 11:26 AM

The number of cases where “third trimester” abortions are due to health of the mother are incredibly rare. And a fetus that is aborted won’t survive at all.

The reality here is that the pro-murder crowd wants an easy way for skanks who wait too long to kill their baby, even though the child is viable outside the womb. There is no question scientifically or biologically that a viable fetus is a life no matter how much those of your ilk pretend that the child is nothing but a clump of cells up until leaving the birth canal.

Happy Nomad on December 2, 2015 at 11:53 AM

I agree that we need laws to force women to have their abortions earlier rather than later. But that has nothing to do with late term abortion. They aren’t elective abortions. Late term abortion is about health of the mother or fetuses who won’t survive for long.

thuja on December 2, 2015 at 11:26 AM

The “health of the mother” exception is a joke. It’s a hole big enough to drive an 18-wheeler through.

Ward Cleaver on December 2, 2015 at 11:59 AM

My daughter was a triploid, which was not discovered until after 20 weeks. Rather than have her skull crushed and her precious little body ripped apart, we decided my wife would carry her as long as she could. She was born about a month premature by C-section, and we got to meet her. She died after only a few minutes, but she died in my arms instead of at the hands of a barbarian. The lovely Mrs. Drivel believes it was the best decision we have made or ever will make.

Serious Drivel on December 2, 2015 at 11:52 AM

I … I need to hold back these tears… :(

Aizen on December 2, 2015 at 12:01 PM

Question to all “life starts at conception” zealots here. A mother casually slipping her 7 year old son a beer will go to jail if discovered. Should we similarly charge every redneck female who drinks while pregnant with a crime?

Rix on December 2, 2015 at 11:38 AM

What’s a “redneck”?

Bishop on December 2, 2015 at 12:01 PM

“I believe that if you can’t make up your mind in the first six months, you don’t have the right to have an abortion,” Clinton said according to Branch.

What violent rhetoric! Any future attacks on PP and Slick Willy is personally responsible.

HumpBot Salvation on December 2, 2015 at 12:02 PM

We could go back to the old days, when a child was not considered viable until they reached the age of seven, I suppose.

OldEnglish on December 2, 2015 at 11:39 AM

That would be thuja’s position.

Bishop on December 2, 2015 at 12:04 PM

Question to all “life starts at conception” zealots here. A mother casually slipping her 7 year old son a beer will go to jail if discovered. Should we similarly charge every redneck female who drinks while pregnant with a crime?

Rix on December 2, 2015 at 11:38 AM

Yeah, your mother probably should have been arrested for being perpetually intoxicated during her pregnancy.

HumpBot Salvation on December 2, 2015 at 12:04 PM

Bishop on December 2, 2015 at 12:04 PM

I would like to laugh …. but for some reason …

OldEnglish on December 2, 2015 at 12:06 PM

Question to all “life starts at conception” zealots here. A mother casually slipping her 7 year old son a beer will go to jail if discovered. Should we similarly charge every redneck female who drinks while pregnant with a crime?

Rix on December 2, 2015 at 11:38 AM

Include the “upper-crust elite sipping Chardonnay while pregnant” and it works for me.

AesopFan on December 2, 2015 at 12:09 PM

Late term abortion is about health of the mother or fetuses who won’t survive for long.
thuja on December 2, 2015 at 11:26 AM

In Kansas, where I live, there used to be a clinic that performed late-term abortions. KDHE requires abortions to be reported, and annual statistics are published on their website going back to 1998. For abortions past 22 weeks, they ask a follow-up question: was the fetus viable. If the answer is yes, they ask if the mother’s life was in danger. Hundreds of viable fetuses were aborted nearly every year. Not a single one was performed to save the life of the mother.

NavyMom on December 2, 2015 at 12:10 PM

Clinton said that pro-choice activists “framed the question selfishly by putting it in terms of a woman’s right to do whatever she wanted,” making it seem like they were fighting for a “selfish woman’s right to crush her baby’s skull.”…

“I believe that if you can’t make up your mind in the first six months, you don’t have the right to have an abortion,” Clinton said according to Branch.

“He said the pro-choice people have essentially allowed their own insensitivities to push them into a losing political situation and make a statesman out of Rick Santorum, which he rolled his eyes at,” said Branch.

Damon Linker hardest hit.

AesopFan on December 2, 2015 at 12:10 PM

“I believe that if you can’t make up your mind in the first six months, you don’t have the right to have an abortion,” Clinton said according to Branch.

What violent rhetoric! Any future attacks on PP and Slick Willy is personally responsible.

HumpBot Salvation on December 2, 2015 at 12:02 PM

Never be forgotten that Rahm Emanuel’s brother, one of the chief architects of Obamacare, thinks that the parents should be able to “abort” a child for several weeks after birth.

Happy Nomad on December 2, 2015 at 12:12 PM

RIP Sandy Berger.

portlandon on December 2, 2015 at 12:17 PM

Question to all “life starts at conception” zealots here. A mother casually slipping her 7 year old son a beer will go to jail if discovered. Should we similarly charge every redneck female who drinks while pregnant with a crime?

Rix on December 2, 2015 at 11:38 AM

I doubt she would, and we would end up with way more problems than we solve by criminalizing drinking-while-pregnant. It would discourage women from going for prenatal care for fear of being thrown in jail or having their other children taken away. Better to work with their doctors to educate them.

NavyMom on December 2, 2015 at 12:22 PM

Never be forgotten that Rahm Emanuel’s brother, one of the chief architects of Obamacare, thinks that the parents should be able to “abort” a child for several weeks after birth.

Happy Nomad on December 2, 2015 at 12:12 PM

Molech requires sacrifices.

CurtZHP on December 2, 2015 at 12:22 PM

Question to all “life starts at conception” zealots here. A mother casually slipping her 7 year old son a beer will go to jail if discovered. Should we similarly charge every redneck female who drinks while pregnant with a crime?

Rix on December 2, 2015 at 11:38 AM

What if the 7 yo identifies as an adult? Isn’t “adult” just a made up word based on someone else’s morality?

Nutstuyu on December 2, 2015 at 12:25 PM

It took me 30 seconds to find Hillary saying something similar in 2000:

My opponent is wrong. I have said many times that I can support a ban on late-term abortions, including partial-birth abortions, so long as the health and life of the mother is protected. I’ve met women who faced this heart-wrenching decision toward the end of a pregnancy. Of course it’s a horrible procedure. No one would argue with that. But if your life is at stake, if your health is at stake, if the potential for having any more children is at stake, this must be a woman’s choice.

It’s not really relevant. There’s what they say and there’s what we all know they’re going to support.

Fenris on December 2, 2015 at 12:26 PM

Rest in Pants Sandy Burglar

The Clinton Curse finally caught up to you.

HumpBot Salvation on December 2, 2015 at 12:26 PM

If you believe that rights are just a legal fiction invented and maintained by government fiat (a seemingly common view on the left), what argument can possibly be made for the line between “it’s a human with all the rights thereof” and “it’s medical waste” other than the point at which the birth certificate is signed? After all, that’s the first point at which it has an unequivocal legal existence. If rights are nothing but a legal fiction, that’s the only demarcation line that makes any sense. So far as I can tell, it’s the only demarcation line that can make any sense, given the initial postulate that rights are not inherent, but conferred by government.

Granted, declaring a fertilized egg to be a human from the moment of cenception, and making abortion illegal in all cases except immediate life-threatening emergency, would be problematic at best. What to do with who knows how many fertilized ova in in vitro storage is an obvious problem. But there are plenty of other instances in law whereby you can deny the rights, even the right to live, of a human without having to deny that it’s a human.

One of the basics of warfare is dehumanizing one’s enemies. Why is the left at war with babies?

GrumpyOldFart on December 2, 2015 at 12:27 PM

My daughter was a triploid, which was not discovered until after 20 weeks. Rather than have her skull crushed and her precious little body ripped apart, we decided my wife would carry her as long as she could. She was born about a month premature by C-section, and we got to meet her. She died after only a few minutes, but she died in my arms instead of at the hands of a barbarian. The lovely Mrs. Drivel believes it was the best decision we have made or ever will make.

Serious Drivel on December 2, 2015 at 11:52 AM

Beautiful. God bless you.

Nutstuyu on December 2, 2015 at 12:27 PM

One of the basics of warfare is dehumanizing one’s enemies. Why is the left at war with babies?

GrumpyOldFart on December 2, 2015 at 12:27 PM

#DemocratWarOnBabies !!!

Nutstuyu on December 2, 2015 at 12:28 PM

What’s a “redneck”?

Bishop on December 2, 2015 at 12:01 PM

It’s what you get when you work for a living.

Fenris on December 2, 2015 at 12:29 PM

My daughter was a triploid, which was not discovered until after 20 weeks. Rather than have her skull crushed and her precious little body ripped apart, we decided my wife would carry her as long as she could. She was born about a month premature by C-section, and we got to meet her. She died after only a few minutes, but she died in my arms instead of at the hands of a barbarian. The lovely Mrs. Drivel believes it was the best decision we have made or ever will make.

Serious Drivel on December 2, 2015 at 11:52 AM

I am moved by your story. I’m so sorry.

bmmg39 on December 2, 2015 at 12:33 PM

Rest in Pants Sandy Burglar

HumpBot Salvation on December 2, 2015 at 12:26 PM

That’s funny right there! I don’t care who y’are!

/larrythecableguy

CurtZHP on December 2, 2015 at 12:34 PM

Why does anyone care what this man thinks.

TimBuk3 on December 2, 2015 at 12:37 PM

Why does anyone care what this man thinks.

TimBuk3 on December 2, 2015 at 12:37 PM

His words are worth a thousand pounds a minute.

AesopFan on December 2, 2015 at 1:54 PM

“I believe that if you can’t make up your mind in the first six months, you don’t have the right to have an abortion.”

Oh, pleez…like Slick Willy gives a flying you-know-what about anyone’s life other than his own.

Dr. ZhivBlago on December 2, 2015 at 3:32 PM

Oooooooohh Boy.

Hillary just thought she was pissed about Lewinsky. Wait until she gets a load of this. No more 38 week gestation abortions anymore? Pink tennis shoes are flying off the shelf in San Francisco, and salesmen at Maserati dealerships are drinking heavily.

Popcorn time.

NoPain on December 2, 2015 at 4:47 PM

Wait, does Bill Clinton oppose late-term abortion?

Of course!!

(It’s because his name is near the top of the list…)

landlines on December 3, 2015 at 11:01 AM